Hank Conger Is Cool, Scott Kazmir Is Hot: Halolinks
A Theory on the Acceptance of Sabermetrics - Baseball Daily Digest
It’s true that the stats-vs.-scouts debate has lost its luster and Sabermetrics has become much more mainstream in baseball, essentially winning the fight if there ever was one. However, with casual fans, I think Sabermetrics is still making baby steps. Casual fans aren’t going to make the effort to learn a new perspective from which to view baseball; they are not going to memorize more acronyms and their respective formulas; and they are not going to take the time to apply them on an everyday basis.
This is from our friend Bill Baer at Crashburn Alley. To me, this subject seems to have been beaten to death, yet there still seems to be interest in it. I understand most of the new and advanced metric, but what I don't understand is the insistence of the sabermetric community that I HAVE to believe in them. Why can't I just be able to sit back and think Torii Hunter is the best defensive centerfielder in baseball without some stat-guy shitting on my fantasy? What's so wrong with believing in clutch hitting? Or that RBI's are cool if it allows me to enjoy the game? Sometimes I just want to sit in my chair and watch a game for the beauty of it, without having to be deluged with stats like the game is being played on The Matrix.
A lot of fans don't care about advanced metrics, not because they don't understand them, but because of the arrogance in which they're presented.
What If Everybody in Canada Flushed At Once? - Pat's Papers
By the way, this is why graphs were created.
Vladimir Guerrero says he has no hard feelings toward Angels - latimes.com
"There are no hard feelings at all," Guerrero, speaking through an interpreter, said before the Angels' 13-9 Cactus League win over the Rangers in Surprise Stadium. "If they wanted to sign me, yeah, I would have wanted to come back. They never asked me."
Angels pitcher Scott Kazmir tries to turn negative into positive - latimes.com
Kazmir said "it's not like I never did anything during the off-season, I worked out. But nothing like this, nothing where I was really on a strict regimen every single day." "Sometimes I'd do almost two [sets] a day, where you'd go in the morning, get your workouts done, and next thing you know a couple hours later you're out on the track doing mobility" workouts again, he said. All of them "strengthen your delivery. It makes pitching so much easier."
Is it just me, or am I the only one who thinks Scott Kazmir is going to finish in the top 10 in Cy Young voting this season?
Cuban left-hander Aroldis Chapman justifies hype in spring debut - Joe Posnanski - SI.com
But the amazing part was the ease ... there was no grunting, no straining, no laboring. You hear that line all the time about athletes who look as if they were born to do something. Chapman struck out David DeJesus on a hard-sweeping slider that seemed to break two feet. He struck out Chris Getz on a 100-mph fastball that sliced the outside corner -- anyway Stewart clocked the pitch at 100 mph. Another scout clocked it at 102. Another got it at 98. Getz's speed approximation: "It was moving."
Is Tony Reagins thinking, "Ah crap". I know I am.
Catching up with Hank Conger - ESPN Los Angeles
Q: There are now lots of Asian players in baseball, but there haven’t been too many Asian-American players over the years. Why do you think that is?
HC: Me and my dad always talk about that and I’ve thought about it a lot. When I was playing traveling ball and in high school, I noticed there were a lot of younger kids than me in the area who were playing at a high level. It seems more and more Asian-American guys are playing. I think there’s a wave of younger guys. Only time will tell how far they get.
Bugs & Cranks " Fan Not a Fan of Becoming a Fan
The player will neither look at this fan page, nor give a fuck that you’re part of it. Even if a player is self-absorbed enough to seek out his own page, join it, then subsequently look through the friends, he won’t care that you — a Bugs&Cranks.com reader — took the time to join it. Unless you’re a chick with slammin’ jugs.
Plus, it doesn't help you get interviews.
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I agree re: Kazmir
Would love for this to be the case. And for Kaz to beat Big John in a postseason match-up, thanks in part to the Halos lighting Ugly up…
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Personally I'd like to see Torii Hunter take him deep.
But maybe even more so than that, Napoli and Matsui. Napoli could be like I know your [stuff] and takes him Deep. And then Matsui could just be like haunting Boston fans again.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
The thought of...
…Lackey Gomer storming off the mound kicking, yelling, and screaming (at Francona of course) after giviing up back to back to back HR’s to Torii, Kendry, and Juancho in 2010 ALCS just makes me smile! :D
Ahhhh...Spring!
That picture of Vlad is Just Wrong(tm)
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
I love Kazmir
I think he is gonna win 17-20 games, he is dominating when he is on.
First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.
I'm not a casual fan by any stretch and Sabermetrics has made virtually no steps whatsoever with me
The primary reason is that they’ve been consistently wrong, particularly with the Angels, and also with other parts of baseball. You’re also right about the arrogance aspect of its proponents. When somebody gets all high and mighty about this formula or that stat, I just sort of sit there and laugh and lose a little bit more of my faith in humanity. You’re only allowed to be arrogant if you’re right. If you’re arrogant and wrong, well then that makes you a jackass worthy of every sharp-edged insult that comes your way.
Sabermetrics is an imperfect system created by imperfect beings in an attempt to decipher a nearly perfect game played by the same imperfect beings. It follows then that Sabermetrics will always be imperfect and therefore, not completely reliable. I’ll stick with a team’s makeup before I stick by their algorithm.
If you’re interested, see more of my thoughts on this at the end of this thread.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
But it's not "a system"
It is, on its best days, an attempt to apply the scientific method to the understanding of the measurable art form known as baseball. Within that broad tendency there are all sorts of divisions, and differing ideas about how to measure and evaluate, let alone predict, stuff.
Unfortunately, I think, it has become too synonymous both with prediction systems (which are the junk bonds of sabermetrics) and a generalized intellectual assholery. That aside, what it is not is a unified theory of how baseball works. Sam Miller, Rich Lederer, and even gadfly jackasses like me dabble in sabermetrics, and we all think (at least Lederer & I for sure) that prediction systems that consistently get the Angels dead wrong are as pompous as they are inaccurate.
Don't get me wrong, they make for interesting debate and coversation
And there’s a good amount of folks who cite them and don’t act like douchebags. It’s just that somebody always has to be “the One” and ruin it.
The most concise way I can describe the flaw with Sabermetrics and it’s forms is this: It is trying to apply math and science to free will.
There’s nothing inherently wrong with that, but you can see the inherent difficulty in such a task.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Mar 9, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Stop confusing sabermetrics in general with PECOTA...
…and the handful of other prediction systems that have gained popularity, and then you’ll be fine. But I see Matt has already said the same thing.
Really, Nate, sabermetrics is only this: using data and a little math to attempt to better describe and analyze the game. Oh, and questioning as many assumptions and conventions as possible.
The fact that some folks that gain a little knowledge and then go out chestbeating and half-informed about the very metrics they’re flashing around isn’t unique to sabermetrics. It happens in political forums and Yelp threads as well — basically anywhere someone has an opinion and a flamethrower and wants to use them.
I get that
And I do think that some of the newer stats are usueful for analyzing past performance. Taken separately from the projection models, I don’t have much of a problem with most of them.
In the end though, no system will ever be able to completely account for human action of any kind. There are simply too many variables.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Mar 9, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Just a theory
“There are no hard feelings at all,” Guerrero, speaking through an interpreter, said before the Angels’ 13-9 Cactus League win over the Rangers in Surprise Stadium. “If they wanted to sign me, yeah, I would have wanted to come back. They never asked me.”
Maybe Reagins couldn’t find Jose Mota?
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
Soth is fluent in Spanish....
as is Arte.
Halos & Clips...must have something to do with the color red and jaded pasts...
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Mar 9, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe I'll find a clipart photo of a clown...
…to illustrate what I thought was an obvious joke; the setup to the quote above mentions that Vlad, as always, was speaking to the media through an interpreter.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Mar 9, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
yeah i got it...
but it was so bad i responded like i didnt. ; )
Halos & Clips...must have something to do with the color red and jaded pasts...
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Mar 9, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
I have high hopes for Kaz...but...
just because the guy was put on a strict workout regimen in the off-season doesnt equate with excellent pitching.
He still needs to figure out a way to not reach 100 pitches by the first batter of the 6th inning.
Halos & Clips...must have something to do with the color red and jaded pasts...
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Mar 9, 2010 9:39 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
That is something that is difficult to remedy
Even when he was the strike out champion, he still only recorded 1 complete game in his career.
The only real way he can last longer is by adding more movement to his pitches, or finding a new pitch that can finish guys off quicker, both take years and years to achieve.
I would be happy if Kaz can hit 7-8 innings consistently. I don’t expect any complete games from him this upcoming season.
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
The way our bullpen is shaping up
I’ll take 6 good shut-out innings out of him; then Bulger, Jepsen and the boys
That's what he did
Butch helped hime get his slider back. He said since butcher left the rays it fell apart and he couldn’t move it like it used to- it was flat and was always getting fouled off instead of missed. He didn’t have an out pitch and so you’d see guys foul off 10 pitches in an at bat. With the slider diving, he puts them away much sooner, K’s go way up and he’s back to ace-dom.
by Balls and Strikes on Mar 9, 2010 10:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hmm
A lot of fans don’t care about advanced metrics, not because they don’t understand them, but because of the arrogance in which they’re presented.
I disagree, I believe they don’t care about advanced metrics precisely because the don’t understand them or choose not to, because it’s their way of saying " Fuck You! I’m happy with conformity". This reactionary response to the recent inroads SABR stats have made was itself the cause for the proliferation of sabermetrics in the first place.
I agree. I think one really has to be in a blogospheric bubble...
…to be still complaining about sabermetric “arrogance”.
It’s like, okay — a couple obnoxious sophomores pestered you about win shares and VORP in some fan forum at some point, or you got annoyed at Rob Neyer’s Billy Beane man-crush — but it’s awfully thin-skinned and mentally weak to be so emotionally wounded by those experiences that you arm yourself with a thousand associational fallacies and generalize to a whole community of divergent voices working on extending statistical analysis to game contexts.
I think it’s just a variant on Mark Whicker syndrome. Whicker thinks all bloggers are nosepicking basement-dwellers living with their parents. Why? Because he’s a bit behind the curve, nervous about the new kids on the block, and clinging to some phantom tradmed cred he hallucinates in his own mind. It gives him a pre-emptive defense against obsolescence or the tough work of learning something new.
Same thing with the self-saying victims of sabermetric “statboys” and “fucktards”. In the end, it’s just a convenient dodge to blame one’s distaste for sabermetrics on some random personalities rather than admit that a lot of the new metrics have value, and are more descriptive than old conventions like batting average and fielding percentage. The fact that many of the prediction systems are flawed and suck doesn’t mean that many of the descriptive statistics and sabermetric analysis of outcomes aren’t quite useful.
Let’s face it: math and science education sucks in this country, and many people get anxious as fuck the minute they hear the words “standard deviation” or “normal distribution” and remember the moment they dropped out of pre-calc or fell asleep in statistics class. That’s fine. But it doesn’t invalidate statistics or diminish the utility of statistical analysis. It just means that those anxious types aren’t in their comfort zones and need to rail about it.
Or maybe they’re just getting old.
I get what your saying...
and I agree. I like (and understand) the saber-stuff, but what I don’t like is being told I HAVE to like it. If I don’t, I’m some old-fashioned ninny who just doesn’t get what baseball is all about.
I don’t think Torii Hunter is a good outfielder because he’s won some statistically meaningless Gold Gloves, I think he’s a good outfielder because I like watching him play (regardless of his UZR). Also, I’m not saying he’s good because he’s made unbelievable catches in the few games I’ve seen, deep down I know he’s not as good as my perception, he’s good because I like him.
I guess what I’m trying to say is, my head knows he’s not as good as my heart thinks he is, but the saber-guys are telling me not to listen to my heart.

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