Compiling a Former Angels Team
by sctrojan13 on May 23, 2010 11:50 PM PDT
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PrintAfter seeing Eckstein on SportsCenter I was wondering about how former Angels were doing across the league. It is pretty well documented that the Angels are comfortable cutting ties too soon as opposed to too late. Tex isn't included because he was just a rental.
Starters:
.366 obp/ .378 slg/ .744 ops/ 2 hr/ 10 rbi
current salary:$4,500,000
1b: Casey Kotchman
.287 obp/ .333 slg/ .620 ops/ 3 hr/ 18 rbi
current salary:$3,517,500
2b: Adam Kennedy
.326 obp/ .365 slg/ .691 ops/ 2 hr/ 13 rbi/ 5 sb
current salary:$1,250,000
SS: David Eckstein
.370 obp/ .405 slg/ .775 ops/ 1 hr/ 12 rbi/ 4 sb
current salary:$1,000,000
3b: Chone Figgins
.305 obp/ .252 slg/ .557 ops/ 0 hr/ 13 rbi/ 9 for 12 on steals
current salary:$8,500,000
.371 obp/ .556 slg/ .927 ops/ 10 hr/ 37 rbi/ on an interesting note 4 for 6 on steals
current salary:$5,500,000
Cf: Jim Edmonds (it's a stretch due to age but it is the position he won 8 gold gloves at)
.362 obp/ .462 slg/ .824 ops/ 3hr/ 8 rbi (in 27 games in which he played pretty regularly apart from a 5 game stretch...currently on the dl)
current salary:$850,000
Lf: Jose Guillen
.333 obp/ .529 slg/ .862 ops/ 11 hr/ 31 rbi
current salary:$12,000,000
Dh:Troy Glaus
.353 obp/.408 slg/.761 ops/6 hr/27 rbi
current salary:$1,750,000
Starters Salary:$38,867,500
Bench:
Lf: Garrett Anderson
.178 obp/ .246 slg/ .424 ops/1 hr/ 7 rbi
current salary:$550,000
Dh: Orlando Cabrera
.304 obp/ .363 slg/ .667 ops/ 3 hr/ 20 rbi
current salary:$2,020,000
2b: Sean Rodriguez
.263 obp/ .343 slg/ .606 ops/ 1 hr/ 10 rbi
current salary:$405,500
CF: Gary Matthews Jr.
.250 obp/ .218 slg/ .468 ops/ 0 hr/ 1 rbi/ 1 sb
current salary:$11,400,000
C: Jose Molina
.367 obp/ .318 slg/ .685 ops/ 0 hr/ 4 rbi
current salary:$800,000
Bench Salary:$15,175,500 (thanks Gary)
PITCHERS
Sp: John Lackey
4-3/5.07 era/ 34 k/ 26 bb
current salary:$18,700,000
Sp: Jarrod Washburn (retired but I'm not sure why no one signed him after a solid 2009 shown by stats below)
9-9/ 3.78 era/ 100 k/ 49 bb
last year's salary:$9,850,000
Sp: Jon Garland
5-2/ 2.38 era/ 31k/27 bb
current salary:$4,700,000
Rp: Darren Oliver
0-0/ 4 holds/ 1.59 era/ 24 k/ 5 bb ...........amazing k/bb ratio is impressive and questionable if it will hold up
current salary:$3,000,000
Rp: Darren O'Day
1-2/ 7 holds/ 1.53 era/ 12k/ 4 bb
current salary:$400,000
Rp: Jeff Weaver
2-1/ 3 holds/ 3.09 era/ 8 k/ 4 bb
current salary:$800,000
Rp: Brendan Donnelly
2-1/ 5 holds/ 5.25 era/ 10k/ 11 bb.....k/bb is weak but has pitched clean outings in 12/14...era is destroyed by 5 runs in 2/3 of an inning in a 17-3 loss
current salary:$1,350,000
1-0/ 1 hold/ 7.90 era/ 12k/ 10 bb.....era was destroyed by giving up 9 runs in a three game span that included 3 innings (1 against us where we got 4 runs)...overall not too good but not as horrible as it looks
current salary:$500,000
Rp: Ramon Ortiz (turned into a long reliever...not too great in that role)
1-2/ 6.30 era/ 21 k/ 16 bb
current salary:$1,000,000
Rp:Kevin Gregg (new stats guys prove my hunch right and show hes better than he seems)
0-1/ 12 saves-2 blown/ 3.54 era/ 22k/ 9 bb
current salary:$2,000,000
Cl: K Rod
2-1/ 8 saves/ 1.96 era/ 25 k/ 10 bb
current salary:$12,166,666
Pitchers Salary:$53,566,666
Team Salary:$107,609,666
Current Team Salary:$104,161,666 (for 20 players)
essentially the same money wise...gmj, k-rod, lackey, guillen are the big time perpetrators with contracts over $10 million
Well there's 25 players...turn Ortiz and Weaver back into starters and you have a complete team. I know a lot of stats are conditional but with a lineup of:
Eckstein
Kennedy
Vlad
Guillen
Glaus
Bengie
Edmonds
Kotchman
Figgins
you have a pretty good, balanced lineup. Once Figgins gets out of his slump he can go 2nd with Kennedy returning to his old spot 8th with Kotchman at 9th. With that lineup you have 2 pretty good table setters and then 3-7 gives you good power with a guy we have all seen do great things at 8 and finally a player that a team has hitting 3rd in our 9 hole. As BeerCub noted, this team could be managed by Bud Black and Joe Maddon which would please a lot of people who have questions about Sosh. I am not trying to say that they should have kept everyone I just think it's interesting that our castoffs might make a better offense than what we have got.
Oliver, O'Day, Gregg and K-Rod make up a solid core for the pen with Donnelly/Schoeneweis as clean up/long relievers. Starting pitching would probably be the weak point but if Escobar ever gets back you probably have decent starters 1-4.
The main point is that the Angels need to be more loyal to their players. It is always important to have a young team but it has been disappointing to see quality players basically cast aside. While it was drawn out over a few years it seems like the 2002 team got a "Thanks for the championship, the exit is the second door on the left". We need to keep people around like Salmon who can retire with the team. As difficult as it was watching GA his last year here I think the right thing was done with him, he just should have realized it was time to retire. I was for letting Vlad go but I realize now that letting him go like that after how integral a part of the team he was, was a mistake.
I just hope people like Weaver and Morales will get to retire as Angels and not be discarded once they start to decline.
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You wanna add payroll to this research
If it is radically less than our current roster I will be bummed
they are roughly the same
no worries haha…..
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
thank you
dumb mistake at the end of a long post…it is fixed now
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
if Vlad doesn't make at least one extended DL visit
then i’ll be really pissed. still too early for me to think the move was a mistake.
I've crossed the threshold of regret.
It is officially a bad move.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on May 24, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Still better than Matsui's average anywhere...
So, really.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on May 29, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I think a huge reason for our pen's struggles is it's inability to throw strikes
Our pen would still be pretty bad with Oliver
racist
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
DMac is on the Sacramento River Cats DL
He was signed as “insurance” in case Eric Chavez went down — didn’t quite work out as planned…
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by Quad Fin Rider on May 24, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Btw, (private note)--Bruce Cohen did not pass on--my mistake
Working on getting more info for you if interested
Thanks for looking that up - it’s very much appreciated!
"All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine."
by Quad Fin Rider on May 24, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I like this team, actually
Couldn’t do any worse than the current version.Plus, it’s filled with guys who somehow, despite stats or a certain reputation, know how to win.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
And......
…..Edmonds is a reserve with Milwaukee, and this team could be managed and coached by Joe Maddon and Bud Black.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
there we go
thats #25 i missed to finish the roster
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
gracias for the input
ur help has been duly noted in the updated version
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
Of all these
I am still upset about the Eckstein release and not signing Bengie. Hindsight is 20/20, I admit that I drank the Kool-Aid that O Cab was a big upgrade … not so sure that was the case. But even at the time, I was crying for the FO to re-sign Bengie. In retrospect, I think I was right, Mathis has not panned out for whatever reason, Napoli stinks behind the plate and wherever Bengie has gone, he’s hit and the pitching seems to have done just fine.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Jose Guillen
Is such an ass that according to the numbers listed above, has more HR than RBI. Way to go Jose!
by Zookeeper on May 24, 2010 7:42 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Glaus and other comments
It would make more sense putting Glaus as the DH. He’s playing first right now and he probably cannot even physically play third base anymore. It would probably be more realistic to put Kennedy at 3rd, since he played the position last year for the A’s, put Eckstein at second, where he is playing today and playing OC at shortstop.
Figgins as a centerfielder is also stretching it. Granted he’s versatile.
Agree that since you included Jose Guillen, you could have also included another famous Halo jerk, Jim Edmonds.
One thing you realize about this list is the number of PED guys on this roster. You have Glaus, Donnelly and GMJ. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were others as well.
How does Guillen
HIt 11 homeruns and only get 3 rbi
"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless" - Kenny Powers
Pass other runners on the bases?
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by RallyMonkey5 on May 24, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
That's what happens when someone is an asshole.
by snowhor on May 24, 2010 10:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Which team is better?
Just so far, for 2010 season.
C Napoli – Bengie’s playing over his head but Naps still beats him by over 100 SLG points.
1B Morales
2B Kennedy
SS Eckstein
3B Figgins (as bad as he’s been, still much better than Wood)
RF Vlad
CF Hunter
LF Guillen
DH Glaus
So I’d only take the current Angel for 3 out of 9 positions. But we’d have too many DH’s. Does anyone really think Guillen or Vlad could hit like they’ve been and stay healthy if they had to play field? I don’t.
Starting pitching: If you have to turn WTE and Ortiz back into starters they would be horrible. Garland has a good ERA in the pitcher’s paradise of San Diego, but with that K/W ratio, there is no way he’d be more than an innings eater in the AL.
The best 2 starters, current or former, are Weaver and Santana. After that, I’d call it a toss up between Saunders, Lackey, and Pineiro. Garland, Kazmir after that and only then Washburn (who knows if he has anything left after his horrible pitching in Detroit).
So 4/5 starting spots go to guys in our current rotation.
Bullpen: I’d take K-Rod, Oliver, and Gregg over the vortex of suckitude we have right now.
So yeah, former Angels probably give you just as good a team at the same overall salary. But in either case, we’d be paying 100+ million for a team that isn’t very good. I’d prefer future Angels, made up of prospects yet to be called up and free agents yet to be signed, once we clear the dreck off today’s roster.
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Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda
We didn’t. Move on.
I am glad we have continued to move forward and bring in young talent from the farm.
1. If we had re-signed Glaus, who’s to say Figgy would have ever become the player he did.
2. Kennedy had 2 good seasons with us. I’ll take Howie over him any day.
3. Vlad is only really hitting at Arlington, his road numbers are atracious. His numbers would be Significantly lower if he was still on the Angels
4. Jose Guillen…Really? Then we wouldn’t have everyone’s favorite martian
The other thing you are failing to look at is the contracts each of these players received after leaving the Angels.
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Good point about the contracts.
Most of those guys earned more from the teams they went to after the Angels, and have since been forced to resign for much cheaper. If we had kept them all these years, we would have had to pay some big bucks for some mediocre seasons out of a lot of those guys.
I'm wearing a "Markas" patch on my sleeve this season.
by Rally Manatee on May 24, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's sign Jarrod to our bullpen!
If the guy is just sittin there, hunting or whatever, let’s make him our long-man. He’s gotta be better than Palmer or Bell. Plus, he could spot-start when needed. Did he have a bad bill of health this Spring?
I'm wearing a "Markas" patch on my sleeve this season.
He wasn't throwing for a while because no team was willing to give him the money he wanted.
And then he was asked if he still wanted to pitch a few weeks ago, and he basically said he was enjoying spending time with his family.
Family? Lame!
Just wait. He’ll get the itch.
I'm wearing a "Markas" patch on my sleeve this season.
by Rally Manatee on May 24, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Give
him a chance to retire as an Angel, and we need long relievers so badly. Palmer and Bell? Um no.
zactly!
I'm wearing a "Markas" patch on my sleeve this season.
by Rally Manatee on May 25, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
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