Reviewing My Dire Predictions from December
I got ripped by some people 6 months ago when I said that the Angels were misspending their resources, and leaving the team with no staff ace, no power in their lineup, and hedging their bets on an aging outfield and young, inexperienced players not ready to take the mantle.
I guess I was right.
Well, I won't take entire credit for being right because I really pushed for signing of Jason Bay, or getting a Roy Halladay type of player. Only Halladay looks like the best investment, although Jason Bay only has 2 HRs and 3 RBIs less than Hideki Matsui, and is starting to heat up now that he is more healthy.
I got ripped on the assumption that I thought these Angels would not be faring well, and I said it under the premise that it would be the return of bad baseball. Lousy pitching, no power, and basically hoping for players to get on a hot-streak and play at the top of their game every single night. It is hard to win over 162 games when only your 100% A-game gives you a chance. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen over the course of a season, and the Angels are paying for it.
Luckily the division is pretty terrible, and so we are only 4.5 games behind. But no doubt, this team is lousy.
Anyhow, here is a breakdown of money ($ in millions) that has been misspent over the course of two years, and how much their salary is this season. A sign of a bad off-season usually comes from the year before, which is a series of bad decisions that put you in a bad situation down the road.
Bullpen:
Brian Fuentes: $9
Fernando Rodney: $5.5
Total: $14.5
It takes two guys here to do what K-Rod did for us, and both are not particularly good. Fuentes had a rocky year last year, and has been terrible this season. Rodney looks great with no pressure, but nobody in the organization has confidence to make him a closer because of it. Ironically, we probably get the most of this money because we have two players instead of one. We could have signed K-Rod for $12 and spend $2 on somebody else. But here, still, is $14.5 million of wasted money.
Starting Pitching:
Joel Pineiro: $8
Scott Kazmir: $8
Total: $16
Here is another doozy. $16 mill dedicated to two downwardly trending starters. Halladay's salary $15.5 million. Roy Oswalt, currently on the market, $15 million. Anybody who thinks that we should have $16 million tied up to Piniero and Kazmir should have their head re-examined. The problem about building a staff "full of #2 starters" is that everyday there is pressure for those guys to perform without knowing that one guy can shut it down. Pitchers seem to be the most mentally fragile on a baseball team because of these superstitious mind-tricks.
Hitting:
Bobby Abreu: $9
Hideki Matsui: $6
Juan Rivera: $4.25
Total: $19.25
Here it is really painful. Mark Teixeira costs NYY $20 million. Kendry Morales was originally slated to play the outfield. An extra bit of money saved on the bullpen or the starting pitching could have saved $10 million to sign a Juan Pierre to supplement the line-up. Maybe those aren't perfect scenarios, but gives the Angels a better line-up.
Unfortunately, now the failure of the organization to spend money wisely is hurting our young players such as Brandon Wood (too much pressure to perform for a mentally fragile player to begin with), Trevor Bell (should be a future pitching star but is getting his confidence blown at an early age), Eric Aybar (out of position in the line up), and Joe Saunders (not really a #2 starter).
Of course, there are those of you who will say that Tex isn't doing much better than Hideki, and Pierre isn't doing better than Aybar and John Lackey isn't doing better than Pineiro, all given their price tags. But you know, that the non-Angels players mentioned have a large upside in their ability than the one you compare it to. Again, back to the notion that a very awful Tex is on par with a below average Hideki, but that a very good Tex is better than a once-in-awhile, hot Hideki.
Either way, the money spent in the past two years has been really lousy, and a full rebuilding of the organization is in order. We are nowhere near World Series contention and could be very well out of the playoffs for awhile. Unfortunately, Tony Reagins began two summers ago, and this is on him. Therefore, a change in the franchise should start with him.
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How are Pineiro and Kazmir trending downward?
And Halladay didn’t want to play here.
Also, I rather have Abreu, Rivera and Matsui
than Teixeira
Huh?
Kazmir’s Wins, ERA, SO, (SO/9 has been particularly bad) all going downhill since ’07
Pineiro numbers from 2003 have been going down in the same categories, except if you cant last year, which were up from the downhill but still well below where he was a starter before.
The 2000s have been great but I grew up on the 90s teams!
by DM_RMBRS '95 on May 24, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Pineiro completely changed his approach to pitching last year, becoming a pitch to contact/ground ball guy as opposed to trying to be a strikeout guy, which he was trying to be earlier in his career.
So his career numbers don’t mean as much. And he’s been decent thus far this season.
As far as Kazmir I guess you’re right, though he’s shown signs lately of being a pretty good pitcher.
er, right. That big fat 5 ERA is good??
Pineiro 3-5 with a 5
Kaz, 3-4 with a 6
What planet do you live on exactly?
by Wally's World on May 24, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you actually watch the games?
or do you just look at stats?
Pineiro has started 9 games
6 of them have been quality starts giving up a total of 6 earned runs over 41.2 innings (avg almost 7 innings)
In the 3 crappy starts, he’s given up 24 earned runs over 12.1 inning. A chance to win 2 out of every 3 starts from the #5 starter, I’ll take that
Kazmir has had 2 horrendous starts in which he gave up 13 earned runs in 4.1 innings. While he has been struggling with his pitch count causing his innings to be down, he has made progress in the May & looks to be returning to the form we saw last year.
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'a chance to win 2 out of 3', that's why he's 3-5 right?
I see a pitcher who when on is a top tier guy, but when off, he gets shelled. We’re talking about trending downward, not does he just completely suck. Compared to his career year last season, he is not doing more than he ever did in the rest of his lackluster career.
Kaz is not very good. The reason why I know that is that I listen to all his starts. He finally had a good one. His season has been bad. His postseason was bad. Trending downward.
by Wally's World on May 24, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
"A chance to win 2 out of 3" means that he pitches well enough to win 2 out of 3
Doesn’t necessarily mean that we’ll win 2 out of every 3 games he pitches, but he pitches well enough for us to win.
"This is Wally's World."
Get used to it.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on May 24, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
You can get us a World Series?
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 25, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
unfortunaltely, if Pineiro started all 7, I doubt it. BUT. . .
with the way Santana is throwing . . . .
by Wally's World on May 27, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
it's rather obvious
The 2000s have been great but I grew up on the 90s teams!
by DM_RMBRS '95 on May 24, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
i guess you also rather have losing
too?
The 2000s have been great but I grew up on the 90s teams!
More like...
68 HR and 281 RBI (what the 3 Angels mentioned combined for in 2009) compared to 39 HR and 122 RBI for U-Haul in 2009.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 25, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
For what end result?
For the money being spent on Abreu, Matsui and Rivera we should be getting elite superstar level production and someone that puts fear into an opposing pitcher, not 3 guys who may get hot a few times a year.
The 2000s have been great but I grew up on the 90s teams!
Lack of Power?
We are currently 5th (by 2 bombs) of 14 AL teams in HR and 9th of 30 in all of MLB. This is higher than I can remember us ranking in at least a couple of years. Juan Rivera’s deal is a steal considering what he’s likely to end the year with – basically RBI and HR numbers slightly less than Jason Bay at like 1/3 the cost. Abreu’s deal also isn’t that bad in terms of dollar amount for production. Other than leadoff, I don’t think there’s much wrong with our offense.
Figgins and Pierre are both doing just as bad or worse than Aybar. I agree Aybar probably shouldn’t be leading off anymore, but those two aren’t exactly an ideal solution. Kendry nearly matched Teixeira last year in terms of production and stands a good chance of equalling or exceeding him in the very near future. This will happen for us at 10% or so of the cost it would have taken to keep Mark. Lackey is trending downward as well and isn’t worth what Boston gave him.
The bullpen is our biggest problem, which I think should have been solved by keeping Oliver. Too many games are getting away before Fuentes even has a chance to blow them. Maybe Kohn will come up mid-year and save our asses, who knows? In the end this may be a “bridge year”, which I can deal with if it means not signing more players to bloated contracts that we will be paying for long after the player’s value has aged out of him.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 24, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions
"Lackey is trending downward as well and isn’t worth what Boston gave him."
Crap, I wish I had thought to bring this up.
Ya, Lackey has been awful. He’s striking out less batters, walking more, allowing more hits, and more HRs.
I agree with some of this but your missing some points...
Halladay was a TRADE. I’m inclined to believe that if he was FA, not only would his yearly salary end up being a lot more than 15.5 but that we would have been bigger contenders. You can’t blame the front-office for not landing Halladay. It would have gutted our system even more so and we probably would have had to give up at least one, key starting player.
Also, Hideki was a replacement for Vlad who was demanding a multi-year deal. We either chased Hideki or lose Vlad and end up with no one as a replacement. NOW, I have my theories that maybe that would have not been such a bad thing but for the sake of your post, I think its important to mention. Also, its only a one-year deal.
Juancho, up until this year SO FAR, has been a solid LF starter. He has two more years on his contract. I’m curious what we do with him if he has an off year. I envision us chasing after a big name FA outfielder like Carl Crawford with the hopes of moving Bobby to DH in his last year with the team next off-season. And speaking of Bobby, he was great for us last year and I dont see anything in your post that would make the Bobby signing seem like a misspending of funds.
Kaz is still really young and has proven in the past that he can be a solid pitcher. The angels were looking to shore-up the rotation for the season and with the pending possibility that big John was leaving. I wouldn’t give up on Kaz, the dude is only 26. I think the Angels saw his potential, saw success in the past, saw that he was young and went for him. I still stand by that move.
Pinerio….eh….we’ll see.
Rodney, Fuentes…I totally agree. Spending that much on bullpen was reactionary to the poor performance of our bullpen in the first half of ’09. Bad move.
Looking to the future, I see us not retaining Matsui and I doubt Fuentes’ vesting option with cash-in… That leaves us with a little over 10 million right there…lets hope we spend it right.
red colors and jaded pasts...
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on May 24, 2010 11:29 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
wow bad math....
make that 15 million….
red colors and jaded pasts...
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on May 24, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Speier is off the books then too, no?
That would be another $5.5 mil or so for a total of $20.5 if I’m not mistaken…we could buy out the Blue Jays or Marlins or something.
Possibility abounds!
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 24, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Speier wouldn't happen to be playing softball with Eric Byrnes, would he?
How "warnings" have YOU been issued on HH?
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on May 24, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course he is
How else would Byrnes have hit a home run?
by ~MMP~ on May 24, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
A OH!
rec’d.
How "warnings" have YOU been issued on HH?
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on May 24, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
panther
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
by angels4adam on May 25, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe he stole a sports book from the future?
"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless" - Kenny Powers
If that were true he'd probably be doing something more enriching
…than floating a HH “told you so.”
by The_Legend_Of_Wilfong on May 24, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
disregard
one reply fail deserves another
by The_Legend_Of_Wilfong on May 24, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
x
ed_price Voting so far for AL DH in All-Star Game: 1. Vlad Guerroro, 2. Hideki Matsui, 3. Ken Griffey Jr., 4. PAT BURRELL, 5. David Ortiz.
To be honest, I'd vote for Vlad over Matsui at this point as well.
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I did
I'm wearing a "Markas" patch on my sleeve this season.
by Rally Manatee on May 24, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah. It's all about Guerroro
by The_Legend_Of_Wilfong on May 24, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like a Godzilla nemesis for sure
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 24, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
It's pretty sad that obviously Vlad will make the All Star team (barring a major injury)
meanwhile Matsui is showing exactly what he is. (what good is a WS MVP when it wasn’t for us????)
by Wally's World on May 24, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Pat the bat 4
Come on people he is doing great this season on the couch watching baseball counting his money
"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless" - Kenny Powers
No, no, no. The costing is wrong.
You can’t simply look at the one year expense.
The TOTAL value of the contract must be considered.
KRod’s contract guarantees him $37 million and the Mets were willing to throw in a 2012 option which could bring the contract to $54.5 million. And that’s FAR too much money to commit to a pitcher who’s peripheral stats have been on the decline since 2008.
You can’t simply say Tex costs $20 million. Teixiera is guaranteed $180 million over the course of his contract. That’s a huge burden which isn’t worth the risk. How will year’s six, seven and eight look for Tex and the Yanks?
The Angels were fiscally conservative the past two off-seasons. By limiting themselves to one and two year deals (i.e. Fuentes, Rodney, Abreu, Matsui, Pineiro), the Angels are providing themselves financial flexibility for the future.
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by Fan Since 1981 on May 24, 2010 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Sunday night Baseball, K-ROD did what Fuentes couldn't.
struck out A Fraud in the 9th to win the game. ( yah I know he flailed against Boston), But the reality is, K-ROD > Fuentes. K-Rod> Rodney. K-Rod > Fuedney.
Not to mention he was home-grown and an earned a place in Angel Legend.
by Wally's World on May 24, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
One AB during prime time? That's it? That's the rationale?
While K-Rod is better than Fuentes and Rodney, that still doesn’t justify a $37 million contract.
You can’t build a roster by being sentimental. Then why not bring back Glaus and Eckstein?
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by Fan Since 1981 on May 24, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yah, that's the rationale. If Fuentes had saved that game, I firmly believe that we would be talking about the defending champion Los Angeles Angels.
by Wally's World on May 24, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Cause that was the only problem we had that series?
The defense was shoddy and the offense was iffy too.
To be fair, if we win that game we're in much better position for the rest of the series.
Basing it off one AB is rather pointless though. Fuentes was pitching in a tied game at Yankee Stadium in extra innings, with considerable pressure. K-rod was pitching with a 2 run lead at home, in a regular outing [save situation].
Doesn’t mean that Fuentes still sucks, but 1 AB is poor rationale.
Ya, we're in a better position the rest of the series, but I don't think it's fair to say that the Yankees beat us
because of Fuentes.
A lot of players struggled in that series offensively and defensively, Fuentes was only part of the suck going on in the series.
Sosh
never puts Fuentes in a tie game. He’s always the closer. The A-Rod AB was when the Angels were up by 1. If it was Percival or K-Rod, yea the Angels might’ve taken Game 2. It would’ve definitely put the Halos in a better situation.
Nice, you got the scenario.
Bonus points for you.
It was the eleventh inning. God that sucked. On a 0-2 pitch no less.
BTW, it was Figgy who got the go ahead Rib eye.
by Wally's World on May 25, 2010 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Some good points
And some perplexing ones. You criticize the Angels for spending too much on mediocre players, but suggest spending $10 million on Juan Pierre would have been a good alternative use of the funds? No way. The White Sox are only paying a small portion of Pierre’s contract anyway, if the Angels wanted him to be the leadoff guy it would not have cost much. But Pierre isn’t a very good player, so it would have been a bad idea no matter the cost. Johnny Damon for 7 million, that I can see. I do maintain we signed the wrong ex-Yankee, Damon could give us badly needed OBP from the leadoff spot, keep Aybar in the #9 spot, and move Rivera to right and Abreu to DH. All good things.
The idea that Kendry was a viable outfield option must die. He’s not fast enough. His lack of range out there would make Abreu look like Ichiro. Kowbell is right where he needs to be, playing first base.
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He wouldn't do any worse than Rivera in the outfield. (and he's better than Matsui)
by Wally's World on May 24, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the thing
People bitch at Rivera for being slow and diving badly or not at all, yet his arm is quite good and saves a lot of runs/extra bases. Are we really suggesting we should have two stocky, slow outfielders?
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 24, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
It's still May.
This is way too soon to start the I-told-you-so’s. I think I’m waiting until like at least mid August until I conclude that this team is lousy.
I'm wearing a "Markas" patch on my sleeve this season.
by Rally Manatee on May 24, 2010 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Of course, I may be spittin'n'cussin' all the way.
I'm wearing a "Markas" patch on my sleeve this season.
by Rally Manatee on May 24, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
How come nobody remembers that the Angels offered $36M to K-Rod before that season
And he was “insulted”. From my memory, he wanted demanded $60M from the Angels.
He had to settle for the Mets offer when the Angels decided to move another direction.
KRod was a petulant prima donna who benefitted more from Sosh’s handling on his role than his talent. Yes, he was good but he wasn’t $60M good, not even sure he is $37M good.
Am I happy we ended up with Brian Fuentes? Hell no, but that is fair to look back 20-20.
I am on a horse!
Last sentence should say "not fair to look back"
I am on a horse!
Yeah, I remember him being pretty demanding.
I got sick of him melting down against Boston in the playoffs every year too.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 24, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, Rodney has been good in the role he is supposed to play. He is not that good in the setup role, but he is good in closing out games. Back in Detroit, the past 2 years, he had about 35 saves both seasons, but only blew 1 save. Here, in his 5 save opportunities, he allowed no walks and only 1 hit. That is good. Seeing that kind of performance, I still wonder why Rodney isn’t the new full time closer with Fuentes being the lefty specialist.
You're right
We’re no good.
I am impressed that you were able to predict that not one or two, but ALL NINE starters would be hitting for a lower batting average than last year. Who would’ve known that we could surpass those (seemingly impossible) odds? Well, YOU, of course! And for that, I commend you. You can continue to pat yourself on the back.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
I can find major things wrong with each of your three categories
but most of them have been covered by other fan members already. I will point out that you are way off base concerning Brandon Wood and Trevor Bell.
Brandon Wood was given multiple chances to break in at the major league level last year and a regular position at 3B this year to prove himself. This is as much or more than any other comparable player is given on any other team normally. This was Brandon’s year to make it or break it for the Angels as his options have been used up and he would have to be placed on waivers. This definitely is Wood’s time to make it or break it. He had nothing left to prove in his successful time in the minors and it is time now for him to show he can perform at a high level. Even now, Scioscia is putting Wood on the DL to get him a different environment to try to get his head and swing together. To say the Angels’ organization is putting too much pressure on Wood is a damn lie.
I think they are doing the right thing with Trevor Bell. He has shown confidence and composure on the mound, pitched with authority, and had a good deal of success. This was also true of his 2009 appearances. He has been fairly consistent in all this. All pitchers have their bad outings, but in my opinion, Bell has done a good job for his youth and experience and will continue to improve. I see no signs so far that Bell’s confidence is anywhere near blown. If anything he is growing stronger every time out.
Once again, Brian Fuentes is the closer period. Fernando Rodney is not. The Angels are not spending 14.5 million for a closer or two. You can read numerous quotes from articles about Scioscia on the closer situation if you use your google that clearly states Fuentes is the closer. Or you could actually watch Angels games and see that Fuentes closes in closing situations. Love him or hate him, Fuentes is our official closer right now.
It is still way too early Shirley to doom the Angels and the decisions made regarding players. Scioscia will find a way to pull at least an American League West Championship out of is hat once again by coaxing every player on this team to perform at or near their potential, click together, and come out winners by the end of the season.
I'm not as bad as all of you.
So youre suggesting a lineup of:
Pierre- LF / Juancho
Kendrick- 2b
Tex- 1b / Morales
Hunter- CF
Morales- RF / Abreu
Mathis- C
Napoli- DH
Aybar- SS
Wood- 3B
I dont necessarily think it would be that good. The lost production of Abreu and Rivera might be more than would be compensated by pierre and tex
by Balls and Strikes on May 25, 2010 9:03 AM PDT reply actions
This post is crap
I am tired of the revisionist history to support the constant attacks on management of this team. You do not deserve the self-congratulatory thread you started here.
1) Regarding Wood, Aybar, Figgins, and Pierre
Today you claim that management placed “too much pressure” on Brandon Wood, although you do not indicate how they could have taken that alleged “pressure” off of him. You also claim that management should have paid $10 million for a lead-off hitter like Juan Pierre “to supplement the line-up” so Erick Aybar would not be “out of position” (that is, would not be leading off).
Re-read your original post. You claimed that letting Chone Figgins go was a “good move,” because you “couldn’t stand watching him choke in the playoffs,” and because the Angels had “a clear back-up plan” in Wood. You referred to Wood as an “organization product and a guy who has star potential all over him.” You did not suggest signing another lead-off hitter. Instead, your only complaint regarding Aybar was that management let him know he was “a possible goner” in a trade for Roy Halladay. Therefore, your criticism of management’s decision to replace Figgins with Wood and thereby promote Aybar to lead-off is baseless, because you fully supported that decision at the time.
2) Regarding Pineiro, Kazmir, Lackey, Halladay, and Oswalt
You also have shifted your arguments regarding our starting pitchers.
Today you claim that you “really pushed” for “getting a Roy Halladay type player.” In fact, however, your primary complaint was that the Angels did not re-sign John Lackey. According to you, Lackey was worth the contract that he received — $82.5 million for five years — because he was “the face of our pitching staff,” was “better than [A.J.] Burnett,” and “deserved the benefit of the doubt” with regard to his injury issues. To your credit (but not your credibility), you now appear to have abandoned this claim. Lackey had spent significant time on the disabled list in consecutive years and his ERA+ had dropped from 150 in 2007 to 118 and 119 the last two seasons. So far this year, Lackey’s ERA+ is 87. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lackejo01.shtml He thus was not worth $82.5 million, and that contract could be a major albatross for Boston in three or four years, if not sooner.
Having abandoned your prior argument regarding Lackey, you now claim that we should have acquired Roy Halladay or Roy Oswalt in place of Scott Kazmir and Joel Pineiro because Halladay ($16 million) or Oswalt ($15.5 million) would have cost the same as the combination of Kazmir ($8 million) and Pineiro ($8 million). There are two problems here. First, as noted above, Halladay and Oswalt were not free agents. In addition to paying their salary, we would have needed to trade our best and cheapest talent to acquire them. Second, under this scenario, we also would have needed to replace Kazmir or Pineiro with a AAA pitcher.
Rather than trade away the team for one player and round out the rotation with an unproven minor leaguer, management chose serviceable depth and upside without any long-term commitment. The upside would be for Kazmir to return to his form of two years ago, which he did with the Angels during the regular season last year, and for Pineiro to pitch like he did last season. If neither does so, the Angels can shed both contracts after next season.
3) Regarding Fuentes, Rodney, and K-Rod
You claim that management “wasted” $14.5 million on Brian Fuentes and Fernando Rodney when they instead could have paid $12 million to Francisco Rodriguez and $2 million “on somebody else.” This is incorrect for numerous reasons.
First, we tried to sign K-Rod for $12 million; he refused. The Angels offered K-Rod a contract of $34 million for three years ($11.3M per year), which was in the range of contracts signed that offseason by Brad Lidge ($12.5M per year for three years), Joe Nathan ($11.75M per year for four years), and Francisco Cordero ($11.5M per year for four years). K-Rod rejected that offer. http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/15/sports/sp-rodriguez15 Instead, he declared for free agency reportedly seeking “a five-year contract, possibly equaling the $15 million average salary Mariano Rivera is earning from the New York Yankees.” http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28118865/ The Angels thus decided to search for other options.
Second, K-Rod’s current contract cannot be viewed as a mere $12 million commitment. As pointed out above, you have conflated the annual cost of the contract with the total cost, thus greatly understating the long-term risk. The Mets agreed to pay K-Rod $37 million for three years, with an option of $17.5 million for 2012 that is likely to vest automatically. http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/new-york-mets.html
Third, K-Rod has not performed up to the level of that contract. To the contrary, in a pitcher’s park in the NL, K-Rod converted only 35 of 42 save opportunities (83%) last season for the worst conversion percentage of his career as a closer. His peripheral stats also reflected a career-worst year. He posted an ERA of 3.71 that was nearly a run higher than his worst year as an Angel, a WHIP that was the highest of his career, a BB/9 rate that was the highest of his career, a K/9 rate that was the lowest of his career, a HR/9 rate that was his highest since 2003, and an ERA+ of 112 that was significantly lower than his previous worst year. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rodrifr03.shtml That performance was consistent with numbers that, for the most part, had trended downward since 2006. Thus far this year, K-Rod again has blown 2 of his 10 save opportunities, and he got into a public feud with his bullpen coach over “the Mets’ heavy reliance on Rodriguez.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/sports/baseball/25mets.html?ref=baseball&loc=interstitialskip
Fourth, Fuentes performed comparably to K-Rod last year converting 48 of 55 save opportunities (87%) with an ERA+ of 116. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fuentbr01.shtml Although Rodney posted a lower ERA+ of 105, he also arguably outperformed K-Rod as closer by converting 37 of 38 save opportunities (97%). http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rodnefe01.shtml
Fifth, you do not identify who we purportedly could sign for $2 million to take Rodney’s place. The average major leaguer made $3 million last season.
4) Regarding Abreu, Matsui, Rivera, Teixeira, and Bay
Here, although you point out that you originally pushed for signing Jason Bay, you now claim that our decisions with respect to the offense are “really painful” because we chose to pay Bobby Abreu, Hideki Matsui, and Juan Rivera a total of $19.25 million when Mark Teixeira costs $20 million. You thus seem to suggest that we should have signed Teixeira to play first base at $20 million, moved Morales to left field, and somehow filled two other positions (DH and RF) for free. This too is wrong.
The Angels reportedly offered Teixeira $160 million for eight years ($20M per year), but they withdrew that offer when it became apparent “that Teixeira did not intend to play for the Angels” and instead was using them “to drive up the price for the other interested clubs.” http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-teixeira122108 The Red Sox came to that same conclusion. Soon thereafter, Teixeira signed with the Yankees for eight years and $180 million ($22.5M per year).
Moreover, the Angels pursued and signed Rivera and Abreu only after “it became clear Mark was not going to be returning.” http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703574604574499543935811318.html Therefore, Teixeira at $20 million was never an option for the Angels, and your attempt to blame management for choosing Abreu and Rivera over him in December 2008 has no basis in fact. It also should be noted that those contracts — Rivera received $12.75 million for three years ($4.25M per year) and Abreu received $9 million for one year — were widely praised by analysts and fans alike.
There also was no realistic way for the Angels to sign Bay this past offseason. The Mets agreed to pay Bay $66 million for four years ($14.5M per year), and further agreed to a vesting option for a fifth year at $17 million. http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2010/01/jason_bays_contract_with_ny_me.html That was well out of the Angels’ price range, and the Angels thus decided not to pursue Bay once he declined Boston’s offer of $60 million for four years. http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/10/sports/la-sp-angels-fyi10-2009dec10 Given Abreu’s consistently strong performances the last several seasons, it is absurd to fault the Angels for spending $18 million over two years on Abreu rather than as much as $80 million over five years on Bay.
This difference in price also cannot be discounted by reference to Matsui’s contract of $6 million for one season. If the Angels had signed Bay to play the outfield with Rivera and Hunter, they still would have needed to sign a DH or give the job to Mike Napoli, in which case they would have had no viable backup to Jeff Mathis at catcher.
by Brody on May 25, 2010 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
I am honored to supply you with your first rec on this comment.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on May 25, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
This is longer than anything I've written here in quite a while
Oh yeah, and it’s pretty good too.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 25, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you.
I don’t need to put anything down now :)
"F@&* it, lets pitch"
-Ervin Santana
by pendletonmike on May 25, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
fanpost destroyed...
and id like to shake your hand for it
IT COULD HAPPEN
by BigBangRobbDawgg on May 25, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
This post is a thing of beauty
I love it when someone writes my retorts for me, and does a better job than I would in the process.
Especially loved some nice phrase-turning, like
To your credit (but not your credibility), you now appear to have abandoned this claim.
That is gorgeous, effective writing.
BTW, fun fact about Jason Bay: At the 1/4 mark of the season, he has a total of 3 HR. Now we know that Citi Field is not friendly to home run hitters, but the fact is that all three of Bay’s homers have been hit in Citi—he hasn’t been hitting on the road at all, even in more hitter-friendly parks like Coors, GABP, Busch and Citizens (!).
Maybe he’s just starting out slowly and he’ll set the NL on fire, carrying the Mets on his back to the Series, but in the meantime he’s lined up to receive $15M this season, $16M for each of the three following seasons, and a $3M buyout of his option year in 2014. All that money for a player who is, at his very best, a two-tool guy. At least Carlos Beltran has a defensive game to complement his bat.
Yeah, the Angels really blew it on this one…
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on May 26, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
This is fantastic!
There are times when I get very exasperated about some of the FanPosts at HH.
Your superbly crafted and very logical commentary is greatly appreciated.
Very special thanks for the time and effort you took to support your arguments with source links.
by Fan Since 1981 on May 26, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Summary for the TL;DR crowd
Consider this my public service for the month

"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 26, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
i can't read all of that,
but it seems fucking gross.
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
This gives criticism a bad name
Brody has saved us all the trouble of taking this post apart by just doing it all at once. Moral of the story is that you have to examine baseball decisions in context. “Tex” is not some droid you can buy from the asshole factory if you can afford the financing plan. And it’s really not fair to critique the Vlad-Matsui swap based on their numbers after the deal (it’s still May, I should add) when the information available at the time suggested it was the right move, or at least a justifiable move. This is the easiest way to think about things, but these thoughts live in a fantasy land accessible only to fans and not to the business people who have to make these hard decisions.
That said, the sword cuts both ways. I don’t hear much complaining over the very dubious contract offered to Torii Hunter because, so far, it’s worked out well enough. But in its context, it was a lousy deal, not as completely boneheaded as the GMJ disaster, but almost within shouting distance. The Angels have become very inefficient with their payroll because of moves like this. The last few years they’ve more than made up for it by getting excellent performance from their pre- or early-arb guys (Morales, Weaver, Napoli, etc.), but things might get tough as those players get older and start demanding bigger salaries. It would be a shame if the Angels can’t pay Napoli what he’s worth next year because they owe too much money to Fernando Rodney, for instance. These are the grounds upon which the Angels management can be legitimately criticized.

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