Historical 29 Game Starts Under Scioscia
As I was trying to RE LAX after yet another Angel loss, I got to thinking: It seems that many Scioscia teams have gotten off to slow starts, only to come on strong later. But, was that true?
To find out, I decided to go to Baseball Reference's Angels Franchise Page. Here is a table of Angel historical starts under Mike Scioscia:
|
Year |
Record After 29 Games |
Final Record |
Most Games Under .500 |
Longest Losing Streak |
Farthest Behind |
|
2010 |
12-17 |
? |
5 |
6 |
3.5 |
|
2009 |
15-14 |
97-65 |
5 |
4 |
5.5 |
|
2008 |
18-11 |
100-62 |
1 |
4 |
2 |
|
2007 |
16-13 |
94-68 |
3 |
6 |
2 |
|
2006 |
13-16 |
89-73 |
11 |
6 |
8.5 |
|
2005 |
18-11 |
95-67 |
Never |
5 |
2 |
|
2004 |
19-10 |
92-70 |
1 |
5 |
6 |
|
2003 |
13-16 |
77-85 |
11 |
5 |
21 |
|
2002 |
14-15 |
99-63 |
8 |
6 |
10.5 |
|
2001 |
14-15 |
75-87 |
12 |
7 |
41 |
|
2000 |
15-14 |
82-80 |
2 |
6 |
9.5 |
What's interesting to note here, first of all, is how good we've got it as Angel fans in the Mike Scioscia era. Also:
- Three times the Halos have been further behind than they are now, and have gone on to make the playoffs.
- Two Scioscia teams have had 6 game losing streaks and gone on to make the playoffs.
- Just last year, the Angels had a record of 5 games under .500, and still went on to win 97 games.
- Unfortunately, this IS the worst start of any Mike Scioscia- managed team after 29 games.
The moral? It IS too early to panic, but the Angels are getting perilously close to uncharted territory. A win tonight would do wonders towards righting the ship.
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Tonight and in Seattle
The M’s are reeling pretty bad, too. Get a win any which way you can tonight, and then take out your frustrations on Seattle. We are in a very winnable division. Let’s take it by the horns.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
The M's are also missing their cleanup hitter
Then we get the Rays in our house, where they’ve always seemed to struggle. No matter how hot they are right now, I like our chances against them.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 6, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
"clean up"
When your team scores 0 runs per game, does it really matter if you’re missing a cleanup hitter and replacing him with a AAA guy?
The HK-47 hitting droid is the finest line drive machine ever built
by RallyMonkey5 on May 6, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the more insight than the very jaded ...
“but, but we were 6 and 14 in 2002 and look what happened!!!” argument.
I’m down, but far from out. Our boys in red can do this. I believe.
I love this team.
keep in mind
we came out of spring training in an offensive funk.
People sometimes don’t realize what that does to a pitching staff. they feel like they have to be perfect and can’t give up any runs. A few games of 6-7 runs will do wonders for the pitching staff too
Uh-oh ... Is Pythagoras finally right about us?
My interpretation is that was my ‘strike three’ mechanic, when it’s a swinging strike. If you watch, that’s what I do the whole entire game. … I did not say ‘No catch.’ If you watch the play, you do watch me — as I’m making the mechanic, I’m watching Josh Paul, and so I’m seeing what he’s going to do. I’m looking directly at him while I’m watching Josh Paul. That’s when Pierzynski ran to first base.
Ow, ow, ow!
or as “angels all star 2010” might say:
SUE! SUE! SUE! SUE! SUE!
SUE! SUE! SUE! SUE! SUE!
SUE! SUE! SUE! SUE! SUE!
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on May 6, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
y so srs? :))
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 6, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
This team reminds me of the late 90's...
declining veterans in the twilight of their career and young guns who haven’t entirely proven themselves yet.
C’mon, think about it. Matsui is Hubie Brooks and dudes like Aybar are young GA’s…
Halos & Clips...must have something to do with the color red and jaded pasts...
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on May 6, 2010 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
GA has something to say about this...

Halos & Clips...must have something to do with the color red and jaded pasts...
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on May 6, 2010 11:43 AM PDT reply actions
GA was too lazy to start his own clothing line...
so he went with the Air Jordan polo shirt. Classy.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on May 6, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Where the hell is this picture from?
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 6, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a collector, eh?
That’s GA’s rookie Bowman card from 1992. The first Garret Anderson card created. Price range is $1.75 to $10.00
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on May 6, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I just figured he'd be in uniform if it was a baseball card
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 6, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
did he EVER look young? dude was born at the age of 40, and so he always will be.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
He is too lazy to be a kid...
too much activity required to be a kid. ;)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on May 7, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
The problem most of us have right now...
is that this is not a Mike Scioscia team. At least its not currently built right now to allow him to play Soth baseball.
I feel like it will be tougher to hit our stride like in years past if we don’t have a solid leadoff hitter with the ability to take walks and steal bases, a number 9 hitter that can do the same, and some speed in the middle to snag some bases and go first to third consistantly.
When is the earliest we could see Bourjos? A question for those of you who track contracts, service time and optimum windows for promotion.
Bourjos
If they brought him up in June, he probably would not be a super two in a few years. So far he hasn’t hit much in SLC, only 2 walks on the season. If they bring him up, he’d probably be as weak a bat as Aybar was three years ago. But if we aren’t scoring runs anyway, I like the idea of at least putting someone out there who can catch a non-routine fly ball.
I suspect e’ll be up if any of the regular OF-DH rotation suffers a serious injury. And the odds that at least one of the 4 will have to be pretty high.
On the bright side, in a few years we might have an entire starting rotation filled with Trevors and Tylers. Angels minor leagues. Not the greatest farm system, but there is some hope down there.
The HK-47 hitting droid is the finest line drive machine ever built
by RallyMonkey5 on May 6, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks...
I was very impressed by this kid at Spring Training and he has the kind of speed that changes the game by forcing you to account for him, infield singles, stolen bases, defense.
I just feel like Soth likes and needs his speedy #1 and #9 hitters to make his style of offense run. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bobby at #1 and Aybar at #9 soon for that reason
Two years @ 9th
I think you have to plan on that when he comes up ( and that’s two years as a starter with Scioscia).
If Bourjos shows the proper skill set
Mike will stick him at the top regardless of his tenure. The one year Willits was useful Mike didn’t hesitate to put him at lead off. Eckstein grabbed that role from day one. Adam Kennedy never developed those skills and remained in the 9-hole. Figgins was the exception. He was simply a fast guy who could play all over the diamond. He steadily made himself into an ideal lead off hitter as each season passed. I think Mike’s hoping lightening strikes twice with Aybar. He’s seen that aspect of his game improve since he wild-swinging minor league days, and hopefully it continues.
"Farthest Behind"
We are 3.0 back of Oakland now, which is a game better than we finished the infamous 2002 season when we finished 4.0 behind the A’s! All we need to do is stay 3.0 behind the rest of the year.
Wild Card here we come………..
by SocalAngelFaninOC on May 6, 2010 2:04 PM PDT reply actions
If the Angels or
any other team from the AL West wins the wild-card I will eat my keyboard. Of course, my keyboard is made out of pasta, Delliguini to be exact.
vr, Xei
switch to macatoni
a little more expensive but better tasting and no pasta viruses
by Rev Halofan on May 6, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You may end up being called...
The-Snake-Bite at the end of this season.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on May 6, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Well unless the Halos think they can win the wild card,
we will be screwed this season because in the Sosh years when we are at 13 wins or less this point in the season we have missed the post-season.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
2 samples.... too small of a sample size.
;0
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on May 6, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
But you have to look back at your own divisional assessment
For most of the early decade, the A’s were just as good or better than us. If one of us stumbled, the other took advantage of it. So far that hasn’t happened with anyone this year and we are only 3.5 out despite our ineptitude. We overcame a bigger deficit last year later in the season.
This fact is the only reason I haven’t formed some sort of anti-Reagins insurgency just yet.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 7, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
This reflects my suspicion
that Soth-era teams, while they may get off to rough starts, have the ship righted by this point in the season if they are going to end up strong. Note that we are a game behind where we were in 2003 and 2006.
I’m not saying that this dooms 2010, but this does mean that a small level of worry at this point is perfectly justified. We are past the “RE-LAX” point.
Something is missing
No one has mentioned run differential. I realize that this audience doesn’t like to hear about run differential, but even if you don’t put much stock in it as a predictor of wins and losses, the fact remains that good teams score more runs than their opponents, and bad teams do the opposite. Look at the Angels’ run differentials through 30 games during the Scioscia era:
2000 +3 2001 -1 2002 +17 2003 -1 2004 +29 2005 +19 2006 -19 2007 +12 2008 +4 2009 -2 2010 -48
The Angels have typically been slow starters, yes. But they’ve never done horribly out of the gate either. The worst was 2006, but -19 runs is fairly pedestrian by comparison to this team. This team has been horrible. So horrible that if you add up all the runs the other Scioscia teams with negative run differentials through 30 games have been outscored by and double it, the 2010 team has still been outscored by two more runs!
Their current -48 mark is worst in the American League. Worse than Baltimore, worse than KC, worse than Cleveland, worse than everyone in baseball but Houston and Pittsburgh (and the Astros are only 6 runs worse). Performing at the very bottom of the league for 30 games is uncharted territory for Mike Scioscia. It’s very possible that the Angels have never done this poorly over any 30 game stretch in their recent history, though that would require more checking. Forgive me for being more pessimistic about his ability to “right the ship” this time around.
by Suboptimal on May 6, 2010 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Just to counter, nothing at all has actually been done to right the ship yet
Which, in and of itself kind of pisses me off.
Izturis has yet to hit leadoff. Nothing has been changed in the rotation or the pen. The only thing that changed is switching Matsui and Morales and that was like two days ago and relatively minor. Mike has only washed the windows when he needs to do a tune-up.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on May 7, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
What could we do?
That is the $100,000 question. I think that this situation begs for some changes. It begs for some changes in the lineup. It begs for a serious team meeting where Torii Hunter throws a chair threw a window and where Scioscia yells at Wood until he cries like a little girl.
I totally agree with you Nate, but just looking at the lineup and the pitching staff its hard to know what changes to make. What do you when 2/3 of your lineup is not hitting and where most of your pitching staff is struggling. Hunter and Morales are the only ones giving us any reasonable production. I wish we could clone 8 more Torii Hunters and play them all. The minor league system doesn’t have any hitters or pitchers who are ready to make an impact. I think the team is really hurting for a legit leadoff man, but there is nobody on the team who can fill that role right now (Izzy being out of action).
What we really need is our vaunted pitching staff to come to play. Pineiro and Weaver are the only one’s giving quality starts right now. Santana, Kazmir and Saunders have been pretty much garbage. The starters have not been going deep into games and this means we have to go to our swiss cheese bullpen early, and they usually just end up throwing kerosene on the fire. Say what you want about Lackey being a traitor and a jerk, but the guy had a warrior attitude. If the team was struggling, he saw himself as being “the stopper.” I just don’t see that kind of fight or heart in our pitching staff right now.
by righteous halo on May 7, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Stokes, Shields and Palmer have a DIRECT CORRELATION to that -48
If you remove their severe suckitude, you have a -10 all on account of Blow Squanders.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on May 7, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe heads will role
Much like Speier was released last year, I would expect that some Angels relievers will lose their jobs by July, and be trolling the streets for a job, unless they remember how to pitch again. Unfortunately, by then the damage will have been done.
by righteous halo on May 7, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You can't just remove their severe sucktitude though
That’s almost half of the bullpen. One way or another, those guys are going to have to pitch, and if they suck, the team sucks.

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