A Big Fat Mockingbird Told Me
by Rev Halofan on Jul 1, 2010 1:17 AM PDT
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PrintWhile some bloggers might claim that a little birdie told them, oh no, not this blogger, no little birdie the size of my weewee here talking, nope, it was an ostrich-sized mockingbird telling me the dirt on what was happening in the Angels organization.
The Angels front office is a tight lipped organization. The Times, The OCR, Jim Hill at Channel 2, Rob Fukuzaki, et cetera, none of these guys has "a little bird" talking to them. Mark Gubicza on Wednesday's telecast pointed out that mere hours before the Mark Texeira deal went down Tony Reagins was shrugging that he was not in the middle of anything.
So you can believe the bullshit about "little birds talking" that con artists lay in their CON-crete websites in order to attract internet search traffic... or you can analytically look at what the team is most likely to do. There is no minor league coach out there with a clue that the Angels might snatch his best player. There is no reporter with an "in" beyond a coveted locker room press pass. Big whoop.
Following here are some deals that make sense. Fell free to rip them apart. I run the largest Angels blog on earth with the most traffic and the largest community, have been blogging about the team daily since 2003 and I don't claim to have any connection other than my own hunches based on a deep familiarity with the organization. And that is as good as anyone else. The best (and only) place to find an Angels rumor is with a beat reporter for another team with a leaky front office that the Angels are close to a deal with.
So the logic here is that the position the Angels will most likely upgrade will be Starting Pitching, First Base and/or Third Base (prospects as defined here are two minor leaguers, at least one a pitcher, not in the Halos Heaven Top Ten prospects)
- Hank Conger and Scott Kazmir (+salary relief) for Cliff Lee
- Peter Bourjos and Mike Napoli for Lance Berkman
- Brandon Wood and prospects for Jorge Cantu (can you find anything approximating a decent 3B on a non-contending team?)
Remember when you cried yourself to sleep about Orlando Cabrera, Casey Kotchman and Sean Rodriguez leaving you so soon? Well, someone you love and are attached to on this team is going out of town soon.
So little frickin' birdies might be talking to egomaniac jackasses in their dreams, but real trades are going to require the Angels giving up something and the Angels (in the person of GM Tony Reagins) are not going to be talking about it to anyone outside of Scioscia, Ken Forsch and Arte... so unless you have had a dentist implant a wireless transmitter in the filling of a molar in the mouth of any of those four, please save your little birdy bullshit for the softball field with your fat friends (who laugh behind your back at your bird-brained delusions anyway).
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How many years does Cliff Lee have on his contract?! cuz if it’s 3 plus, im all for trading Kazmir, although losing Conger will hurt.
The Lance berkman trade i think we are giving up to much, again don’t wanna pull another Woody by keeping a highly touted prospect only to have him be less than amazing, but losing Bourjos for an aging star in Berkman isnt exactly enticing. Maybe if we were getting a Jose Bautista, or some other young talent, but Berkman aquistion for me….
Wood for Cantu…. as much as I dislike woody right now. the fact that we could have very well gotten 2 years of halladay if we put him in the deal leads me to believe we just gotta give the kid 2 full seasons in the lineup b4 just trading for a guy who is only there to fill in holes. I know there is a time to cut your losses, but less than a year is hardly enough time to get an idea of a player who you coveted so much
In Kobe we trust!
contract year, so he’d be a rental, but he’s a type A free agent so he’ll net us a couple draft picks if he leaves.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jul 1, 2010 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly
would be a trade for Cliff Lee + Yankees 2011 1st round pick and a 2011 sandwich pick. And there never has been anything close to confirmation that Wood was discussed for Halladay.
lol true…. we don’t wanna lose our dominance over the AL West, it would beyond piss me off to see Texas take it. I think having Lee in our lineup would definitely make up the 4-5 game difference.
In addition, it would be great to be able to have LEE go 3 times in a playoff series…. ala the Yankee’s with Sabathia would have been able to do vs us last year had the series gone 7
o man…. Lee and Weaver would be an amazing playoff 1-2
In Kobe we trust!
Well it’s been said that with Conger/Napoli/Mathis someone will be gone, it makes too much sense. Think of a rotation—in a best-of-seven series—that consists of Lee/Weave/Santana/Pinero.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jul 1, 2010 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions
These trades make sense,
but if Seattle is looking for young bats in return wouldn’t they want AAA guys: Conger and Trumbo? I thought the Astros are known for growning their own OFers? Bourjous would seem like a weird pick up, but maybe teams covet him more than I expect. The Cantu trade seem nice, but what players are you hinting towards? Santana? Wood? Napoli? Aybar???
They want power. We want respect...
i dont think aybar is going anywhere, he is moreno’s favorite angel appearantly lol
In Kobe we trust!
I heard that form a good source
Not that I have sources in the classic sense, but people tell me things
wasn’t the same said about Figgy and Soth’s relationship?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jul 1, 2010 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I can't imagine a team
not valuing his glove and range in the outfield. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is one of the first players that other teams ask about.
Torii Hunter has some Brain Movage
There is some really inane shit being said at that other place
I’m glad that posts here have topics and can lead to actual discussion of this team (For the most part). Anyway, I have a feeling that Bobby Wilson is gonna be dealt. Surrounded by prospects for a bat similar to Cantu or Adam Laroche.
Torii Hunter has some Brain Movage
I remember Stoneman really wanted Zito when he became a free agent, but didn’t want to offer the ridiculous contract.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jul 1, 2010 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I run the largest Angels blog on earth with the most traffic and the largest community, have been blogging about the team daily since 2003 and I don’t claim to have any connection other than my own hunches based on a deep familiarity with the organization. And that is as good as anyone else.
GANGSTER !
If ain't nothing wrong, something just ain't right.
gangster like the pope and his minions.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jul 1, 2010 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I saw that little birdy on the angels.com board too
In reference to deals 1 (Conger+Kaz for Lee) 2 (Bourjos and Naps for Berk) and 3 (Wood for Cantu) I’ll address them individually.
1. Lee’s contract is up at the end of the year and the M’s would hate to deal within the division, because history suggests that team may have a leg up in signing him for the future. I say no it won’t happen, because the M’s are in our division.
2. That’s too steep of a price for Berkman. He has made it clear that he will only accept a trade if his option is picked up for next season which is about 16 million if I’m not mistaken. So we’d be looking at losing Napoli and our closest to ready OF for 16 million dollars of Berkman. I think we’d pursue him, but that price is too steep. So I say it’s a possibility, but not at that price. More like Bourjos and Wilson.
3. Definitely not worth it. Cantu’s contract is up after this year and he’s looking to battle Beltre for a good contract, so he probably won’t be back. I like Cantu, but not that the price of Brandon Wood. I give this one the strongest possibility of the three, but once again, the Marlins wouldn’t need a whole lot. They’re already out of the race and stacked in young pitching. I think Trumbo and Wilson would be enough.
We betrayed Vlad, the greatest Angel. Epic fail.
I like the Lee trade and that's it.
1. If I like it, Mariners probably would not.
2. Not worth it. You always have to consider the contracts involved in trades, and Berkman has a big one. And you can’t turn back the clock for Berkman. He’s 34 and in decline. He has half as many homers as Napoli, while playing in a bandbox in the easy league. I would not trade Napoli for any amount of Lance Berkmen.
3. Cantu is a horrible fielder. As a hitter, he’s about average, OPS+ of 101 this year and 102 for his career. But he’s not the kind of average we need. He’s a lot like Juan Rivera, decent power, usually OK average, and swings at anything. Our lineup has good power, we need all the people we can get on base in front of them. Like Kevin Frandsen and when he returns, Maicer Izturis. Cantu playing ahead of those guys makes the Angels a worse ballclub.
The only player I’d actually want from the above is Lee. We’d probably have to give up more than Conger to get him. I’d be hesitant to send too many good prospects to our division though, unless we could work out an extension.
A player I’d love to see, and who could really improve the team, is David Dejesus. He’d take over the leadoff spot or #2, moving Howie down in the order (where Howie should be, especially given his excellent hitting with runners on base this year.) DeJesus plays excellent defense anywhere in the outfield. Unless Rivera were part of the trade, he becomes the 4th outfielder. David has a reasonably priced 2011 option on his contract as well.
Trade Conger + Will Smith + PTBN for DeJesus.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
I agree with you about DeJesus
Improves the OF defense while making it younger, plus making it a possible platoon at DH with Rivera and Matsui (who has been awful against LH pitching this season)
DeJesus for me
is like Juan Pierre for you. He’s not star, but a guy who for years feels like he should be on this team. I’d welcome him over Rivera in a second. Unfortunately, KC isn’t so eager to deal him that they’d just give him away. I think Rally’s offer would get it done, but do we really want to trade Conger just when it looks like he might be ready to be our best catcher in a year or two? It feels an awful lot like Carlos Santana for Casey Blake to me. Again, I’ve always liked DeJesus but he is having a career year, so let’s not get too infatuated with him.
Have to trade Conger or Napoli soon,
but Rally’s offer would leave us with Rivera, Matsui, Hunter, Abreu, and DeJesus in the OF.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jul 1, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Completely agree.
I don’t understand how people can’t see that Napoli is a much better hitter than Berkman.
And I thought we were only interested in Yankee has-beens. Have we sunk so low that now we’re after Astro has-beens?
by snowhor on Jul 1, 2010 8:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
who knows, dude put up some nice numbers over the years.
Berkman gives you a guy who can play 1B and the corner OF, and has a good eye. It makes sense, but everyone has a man-crush on Napoli and everyone looks down on Berkmans disappointing numbers—this season.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jul 1, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Berkman has put up nice numbers in his career
But we can’t trade for the past. He’s 34 years old. He might still be better than his 2010 stats, but do you really want to pay 16 million a year to find out? He’d be leaving a National league bandbox. While he once played outfield, he’s too slow to play anywhere but first right now. Oh sure, he could stand around and catch things hit right at him like Matsui, but I’m kind of sick of seeing balls drop into our outfield.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
by RallyMonkey5 on Jul 1, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Right. Why trade Napoli for a guy whose best case scenario is that he'll hit like Napoli?
Especially when there is a downside that he could end up continuing to hit like Berkman.
by snowhor on Jul 1, 2010 3:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
DeJesus? How 'bout Werth! (pipe dream)
• Heard this from a major league exec: The Phillies are evaluating the trade market for outfielder Jayson Werth.
Was told he’s the best bat that could be dealt by July 31st. Surprised me to hear it. Werth’s right-handed bat seems crucial to the left-leaning Phils. But Werth has said he will explore free agency this offseason, and the Phillies could replace him now with prospect Domonic Brown, a left-handed hitter. Recent injuries to hitters Placido Polanco and Chase Utley would argue against the Phils dealing Werth, who certainly would attract interest.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jul 1, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
well lets just do a 4 way trade
We take Lee, Berkman and Cantu and the marlins, m’s and astros get to share Q.
Face it, we WILL overpay for anyone we aquire.
by Balls and Strikes on Jul 1, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
If that is true
“Face it, we WILL overpay for anyone we aquire.”
Then we need a whole new front office. Or no front office at all outside of draft day. Because a team that makes no moves at all is better than one that overpays for talent.
I don’t think so lowly of Reagins &co. though. He didn’t give up anything for Frandsen, who is a wonderful player.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
by RallyMonkey5 on Jul 1, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
all I'm saying is we are looking at getting a mediocre guy
and we are going to give up some of our best prospects for him.
Maybe that’s because our prospects wont ever be better than mediocre MLB players, maybe its because other GMs dont like our FO, or maybe its just because thats the nature of the business- if I had a proven major leaguer and I knew the angels were running out a catcher at 1B and wood/ franny at 3b, I would make them overpay.
Either way, it’s pretty rare you get someone to take kotchman and marek for teixiera.
by Balls and Strikes on Jul 1, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
If we don't deal Wood you're going to miss out on your "Cantu Transformation" thread
"I love doubleheaders. That way I get to keep my uniform on longer." --Lasorda
by RexTookMyStash on Jul 1, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we will make any trades
But I think if we are in contention and do make a trade for lets say a Lee, we are going to lose a lot more than what you stated. That’s why I don’t think it will happen.
I think we are in a transition period (currently salaries at $120,000,000) where we are going to need to sign a lot of guys currently up for arbitration and soon to be free agents (within 2 years) and we still have the GMJ contract through next year.
I think we are going to have to “Win with what we got.” For now.
Two years from now we will have some money to sign a big pitcher. Until then, I’m ok.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
Agreed, I don't see the Angels trading unless they're sure they are playoff bound...
If we lose prospects for a rental and still fail to win the division, we’ll make a good situation bad. We have a good chunk of changing coming free at the season’s end and should have 10 million to spend.
I still think we will win this division by 6 games (91 wins to 85 wins), but I don’t see us trading. I thnk our biggest moves will be in house. I think we’ll see Q gone. I think well see Kohn and Thompson up and O’Sullivan and K-Rod 2 down. I think by the end of the year we’ll have a very strong bullpen. I think Izturis will come back and will play a lot more at 2B and SS than 3B because Frandsen and Wood will both be hot in the 2nd half.
Our biggest problem will be starting ptiching. The corners have handled themselves, we have too many candidates to stay bad in the pen, we’re hitting the ball. It’s just become clear that while Weaver is an ace, Santana is still just a strong #3, Pineiro’s an average #3, Saunders should rightfully be a #5 and Kazmir just can be counted on.
We’ll make trades in the offseason to boost our rotation and clear up some room for Conger. Not in the season though.
We betrayed Vlad, the greatest Angel. Epic fail.
We are on the same page
Agree with your assesment of starting pitching, But I give Saunders a 4 right now. Pineiro has upside despite his age – he is becoming a better pitcher (though still adjusting to the american league). Maybe he will be a strong 3.
We need to sign Weaver, Aybar and Howie to long term contracts before they become free agents (and I would say Naps too, or do you want to spend big money on a free agent dh next year when we don’t have money and need pitching).
Payroll reductions? : – 9 mil. Fuentes might not get his 55 games finished this year and then we could release him or renegotiate. Still, closers won’t come cheap.
- Shields will give us 5mil but he may come on the second half and be worth resigning.
-Speier or whatever his name is = 5mil.
-Matsui, 6.5 mil
That’s it. Arbritration and signing new players for replacement would take more than that. Resigning players for long term contracts ( the free agents soon to be) is going to be expensive.
You want Franny back? Woods? Willits? etc? A bit more.
We are maxed out. Concentrate on keeping our corp group for now.
Win with what we got. If we don’t win the division this year, I’m ok with that. Nobody wins there division every year forever. They trade away there soul to stay on top and then regret it for the next ten years.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Jul 1, 2010 3:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Eventual free agents
I wouldn’t worry about resigning Howie. He won’t be a FA until after 2012. When he does, he won’t be expensive. Second basemen are just not expensive unless you are as good as Utley or Cano. Look at Orlando Hudson’s struggle to find a job every year. Only way Howie gets expensive is if he goes out there and wins a couple batting titles. As it is, he’s a .290 hitter with a low OBP, hasn’t developed power like we hoped, and his glove has slipped a bit this year.
Aybar would be a good target for a multi year extension, and we might be able to work something out with him.
I doubt Scott Boras will have Weaver sign any extension though. He’s going to test free agency and there ain’t much we can do about it.
Another possible source for savings would be to not offer Joe Saunders a contract. He’ll cost 5-6 million in arbitration, but it really isn’t that hard to find pitchers who walk as many as they strike out.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
They should just let Joe go
I hope they decide to severe ties and not offer him a contract after the season. He won’t be worth his arbitration award.
Bobby Grich should be in the HOF!
Agree on all counts
I hope they take the same approach with Mathis. Considering the emergence of Bobby Wilson, why in the world would the team want to give Jeff another raise after this season? Wilson might be better defensively than Jeff and just as bad offensively. Keep Napoli and give him the arb dollars that would have gone to Mathis and let Wilson be the defensive specialist. Slowly break in Conger and give Nap some DH ab’s when he doesn’t catch.
The emergence of Bobby Wilson
Color me unimpressed. He’s batting .186, has thrown out 1 of 10 runners, and is 27 years old. He’s a generic backup catcher, nothing more. But he’s no worse than Mathis, so let Bobby be the cheap backup catcher for 2011.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
by RallyMonkey5 on Jul 1, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
ps - i don't think anyone really wants Kaz right now
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Jul 1, 2010 3:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree
Kaz is pretty much a sunk cost. The Angels are stuck with him.
Bobby Grich should be in the HOF!
Only chance to move him is in a bad contract swap
Scott Kazmir for Oliver Perez? Blech. Might as well just burn the contract money.
conger + kaz for lee?
there is no possible way the M’s go for that
I'm playing pumpkin ball tonight
So I’ll see if I can hear any birdies chirping :)
Broken Wood...
by angelskid2210 on Jul 1, 2010 7:37 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
why would the Angels have ANY interest in Mike Napoli?
the only prospect in their system worth anything of value is a catcher (Jason Castro) who just got called up.
Napoli can’t DH in Houston.
I really don’t see the Astros (or any team for that matter) viewing Napoli as an option at 1B unless it is one of necessity (like the Angels currently).
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err...title should read "Astros" - not "Angels"
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
I don't want to see Napoli go anywhere
But why on earth would teams not want a 1B who can slug .500, get on base in the .340-.350 range, and generally play pretty good defense?
If you’ve got Pujols, Votto, Fielder, Morneau, Youkils, Gonzalez then no, but Napoli is certainly a better hitter than half the starting 1B in baseball. And it ain’t no fluke. He’s hitting right around his career numbers.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
by RallyMonkey5 on Jul 1, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
then why would the Angels be talking about getting a 1B if he's so great?
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
And who says the Angels are
“talking about getting a 1B”? Bunch of baseball press guys with story quotas to meet?
Its all speculation until, well, until it no longer is.
"That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball." ~Bill Veeck
Dude, when I was reading that post...
…I was thinkin the exact same lameness BS when I read it a couple days ago.
That site going to shit was why I tried this site.
You have the same 20 posters putting up 95% of the threads (and shouting down the few open-minded, non-homers who try and post some fresh thoughts) and nothing of any substance or anything insightful…ever!
I love one of the comments of their own posters:
"id like to take this opportunity to call you a schmuck chuck for starting this lousy ass teaser thread that will exceed 10 pages of jokes and other worthless tripe "
Their threads wander off-topic really quickly
sometimes devolving into screaming about politics in the baseball threads; the off-topic threads were idiotic most of the tikme. A couple of bullies on the site were annoying, but that troll who was allowed to post freely for too long is the major reason I left.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
I think first base is covered....
Napoli is filling in nicely there and let’s not forget..we HAVE a first baseman, a good one who hits for average and power and will be back with a vengeance next year. Furthermore, Napoli is proving to be be the best thing we have going for us right now. I don’t see him going anywhere unless it means they somehow got Prince Fielder., certainly not for any player past their prime and on the decline.
If I’m Reagins I’m trying to deal Wood in a package for a long reliever…and that’s why I would have his butt sitting on the bench after hitting a grand slam, to keep him from falling back apart. He’s potential production, not lost production, has enormous potential and is low risk with his salary.
Well... you can't trade players that have no trade value...
So Naps would be highest on the list of the players you might consider moving.
Brandon, sadly, would be the lowest – or right at the bottom. Of course I bet there are tons who still would want to keep Wood because “one day, after 4290 consecutive at bats, we’ll have enough of a sample size!”
I’m ok with Naps moving if something chemistry wise changes on this team. Maybe the catcher log jam being cleared fixes some of the subliminal bad juju and they start taking off.
Maybe…
I'm going outside the box...
I say the Angels trade for Prince Fielder. Who do they give up? I have no clue…
maybe some sort of Napoli/Wood, Bourjos, Will Smith, another arm sort of package?
I dunno.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
We have Kendry Morales to play 1st base after this year.
We have no need for a long term tub ’o lard at 1st base, so therefore it would be stupid to give up that kind of package..
It must be that time of day, the time to focus on sports.
Kendry can play the outfield
in fact that is where he would be playing if we had signed Texeira.
so if they trade for a 1B kendry moves to right field and Bobby Abroo is our DH next season.
don’t get me wrong, I prefer they keep Nap, then put Morales back at first when he’s healthy. just thought I’d remind everyone that Kendry originally was going to be an outfielder for us.
by 2pintsofbooze on Jul 1, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm well aware of that
Prince could also DH or even be flipped next winter if the club is sure K-Mo is back and ready to go.
Not saying I agree or disagree with the move… I just think they’ll try to get him.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
Prince Fielder? And at first base?
Wow, you want to revisit the Mo Vaughn days? That trade will never happen.
Really? You are going to take yourself that seriously? Well I guess someone has to.
This guy disagrees with everything we've said:
"I love doubleheaders. That way I get to keep my uniform on longer." --Lasorda
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I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 3, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
"Someone told me that something might happen"
Wow, that is some awesome journalism. So if something happens, you were right. And if something doesn’t happen, you were also right because you threw ‘might’ into your sentence.
Fine then, I’m announcing it now. Someone told me a trade is in the works, but it might not happen.
There, I’m officially an insider in the Angels organization.
I’m so glad I found this board before the other one which I shan’t name aloud.
"I love doubleheaders. That way I get to keep my uniform on longer." --Lasorda
with everyone enjoying the napoli defensive bashing
I am on the other end of that spectrum. Mathis is only slightly better than Napoli defensively, and Naps can play 1b as he has shown, also I would sure love to see him in an Angels uniform next year as our DH when matsui is gone, so i dont want him to be traded.
I also don’t want Borgous to make his exit because I believe our aging OF which is fine for this year, will show its age by next year. But the other trades I am fine with.
How about bringing Daniel Cabrera up and giving him a try in the Bullpen, and using Kaz and prospects to get a starter. that would be fine. Leave 1b and 3b alone. naps and other will be fine at 1st and Frandsen who has shown he can hit and play defense and Izzy can hold down the hot corner for the year. In the offseason we can go get a 3b
Fuentes = The New 'F' Word
Cabrera's having some control issues is AA
not HUGE ones, but issues none the less. He still has some things to iron out, methinks.
Chances are, we’ll see him up and making some sort of impact before the end of the season, but my guess is August.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
Cabrera
Has been trying to sort out his control issues for at least a decade. He no longer throws hard. He’s about as useless as useless gets. The last thing we need here is a relief pitcher who can’t throw strikes.
If we need a fresh arm, use Kohn or Thompson. Leave Cabrera in Arkansas.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
by RallyMonkey5 on Jul 1, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Hellllooooo....
Cabrera was cut by the Orioles! Do I need to spell out how bad the O’s are this year? You want to bring up a guy cut by them? I’ll take my chances with Kaz…not pleasant, but let’s be realistic. Kaz has been “good” about half the time.
Everyone is mentioning Lee but is there any other pitchers of any note being talked about as available?
Lee costs us a lot. But maybe a lesser pitcher who still is impactful will be available for a a much more reasonable price. remember buy low sell high- Lee is very high for the M’s right now and they will get maximum value.
how about bringing in a guy who was doing great but has had a few bad starts in a row, value is lower.
Fuentes = The New 'F' Word
I'd take Carmona if we just need a solid SP.
but forget about that; go out swinging and try your hand at a C. Lee deal.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jul 1, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Carmona would be a good fit.
If the price was right (but that goes without saying in all deals…the price has to be right for it to be successful)
at least there won’t be any Napoli/Conger rumors for Carmona :D
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jul 1, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the point is THIS...
Lee is a guy who you would/could throw 3 times in a playoff series…he is a #1. Nobody else on te block is an ace…don’t waste your breath about Oswalt or anyone else. If you are going to go get someone, make it Lee. Otherwise, take your chances with what we have and shore up that pen!
What are you smoking?!
HUGE overpay!!!
maybe, MAYBE you give up Ryan Budde for Strasburg, but you don’t trade the Q-Stick.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 1, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mariners need a catcher
I was saving Budde to trade for Cliff Lee, of course
Our rotation is going to be awesome
look at you, all thinking ahead and stuff.
you get one gold star. :)
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 1, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Will never work,
unless you throw in the rest of Spiers contract obligations
"I love doubleheaders. That way I get to keep my uniform on longer." --Lasorda
by RexTookMyStash on Jul 1, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Rev, don't be so hard on them...
…as I predict there will be a move by the end of spring training next season.
Multiple sources have confirmed this for me and I’ll be able to release the information soon…
Who would you trade for Dunn and Capps?
Would Naps and Kohn get it done?
I am on a horse!
Cantu? CANTU?!?
I would cry and be pissed at the same time if they traded for that minor leaguer.
The other trades I could sort of see, but will be sad when/if Side Salad is shipped out.
Why would'nt a GM trading say a top tier pitcher to the Angels and needing a catcher in the deal
want the older and more expensive Napoli when they could ask for much more hyped defensively and cheaper Jeff Mathis? Or the even cheaper and much touted Conger? All this talk around Napoli seems illogical when we have a boatload of capable catchers who are much more economical for lower salary teams like the Astros (Oswalt) or the Mariners (Lee). The Mariners are looking for catching as well as shortstop and maybe an outfielder. It seems more logical for them to trade for two or three cheaper guys than one expensive catcher.
I'm not as bad as all of you.
Napoli's Bat
is the answer – his serviceable catching is what makes him more attractive than the average oufielder/1B.
You bastard
You can have anything you want, but don’t take away my baby!
I'm not as bad as all of you.
Because chances are...
…if they are giving up a player that is starting or in the rotation/pen today, they will want someone that can do the same.
This is assuming they are in contention and looking to fill a hole like we are…
I really don't see any reason to trade for a first baseman...
Napoli rakes with the best of them and needs the at bats anyway. Scioscia isn’t going to let him catch so why bother? I don’t see how Berkman is that much of an upgrade over Napoli. No thanks.
I’d dump Kazmir and Conger for half a season of Cliff Lee in a heartbeat.
I’d also dump Wood for Cantu but I wouldn’t trade any high level prospects for that (no trout, no bourjos, no conger)
We need another starter and we need another bullpen arm.
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