Angels acquire Dan Haren for Joe Saunders, Patrick Corbin, Rafael Rodriguez, and Tyler Skaggs
by Wailord on Jul 26, 2010 6:40 PM PDT
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PrintAs a Diamondbacks baseball fan, I'm just glad he didn't go to the Yanks. The broadcast of today's Dbacks/Giants game broke the news. Here's MLBTR's report:
The Angels have acquired Dan Haren from Arizona, according to Andrew Baggarly of the Mercury News (via Twitter). Arizona will receive Joe Saunders, Patrick Corbin, Rafael Rodriguez, and a player to be named later in return.
It was first reported by Bill Plunkett and Dan Woike of the Orange County Register that Saunders was involved in a trade.
Hopefully he can be the guy that gives the final push to get you guys to/through the playoffs. When he's in his zone, he can be one of the best pitchers in the game (see: first half 2009).
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everyone?
Just kaplan and chuckles.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 26, 2010 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions
And in my case
I was responding to Dipoto’s statement about what it would require for the a team to acquire Haren: Two starting arms and a relief pitcher, with the implication being “MLB-ready” or a current player.
Saunders fits that bill, but Corbin and (presumably) Skaggs are years away, and Raffi Rodriguez isn’t the sort of impact player Dipoto was describing, even though he is technically “MLB-ready”.
If you look at his standards as announced, it would have appeared to be Santana (not Saunders), Jepsen (not Rodriguez) and a AAA starter (not Corbin or Skaggs). I was stunned when I read the news bulletin because the players given up were far lower in overall quality than he had indicated earlier. Saunders is a nice pitcher but he’s a #3 going for a #1. Rodriguez might flourish in Arizona (assuming the state will let him in), but I never saw the stuff of a MLB player when he played for the Angels. Corbin and Skaggs might both turn out to be huge finds for the Dbacks, but neither figures to see the big leagues until 2012 at the earliest.
I don’t know if Diposto is that bad or Reagins is that good, but the players the Angels gave up are much less overall than the Dbacks had claimed would be required just a few days ago.
Possible mitigating circumstance: The Angels might have been the only team inquiring, since very few teams could take on Haren’s salary, much as with Kazmir. If the Yankees didn’t come to the dance (as has been rumored), then the Angels might have been the only trading partner the Dbacks had. I would have expected the Phillies and Mets to be in that mix, though.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 26, 2010 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions
If this was a rental
it was foolish unless we upgrade the bullpen and the offense too. Dan Haren alone isn’t going to turn us into winners this year.
If this was for multiple years it might be a good thing.
Haren has multiple years left on his contract.
Years later, Clutch still needs to chill.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, #34.
by cardinalwraith on Jul 25, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank God...
I thought we just made a stupid trade. Looks like we’re good then.
This is most definitely not a stupid trade...
We bought low on a workhorse, borderline ace and a perfect compliment to Weaver and Santana for years to come…
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes I agree. I initially thought he was a half season rental.
and I was trying to understand how dropping a starter and a reliever and then adding another starter helped us this year.
This helps us this year and next and etc...
I’m so happy with this!
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I'M USING MY F-BOMB...FUCK YES!
Years later, Clutch still needs to chill.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, #34.
by cardinalwraith on Jul 25, 2010 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm glad I saved mine too.
NInja for the FUCKING win!
by lightupthehalo29 on Jul 25, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm joining in...
Dan Haren…Fuck yeah!
The Devil went down to Georgia, and all I got was this gold fiddle. Go Angels! helpfindscottajob@gmail.com
Seeing as I've commented on the other threads on this...
AMAZING, if the PTBNL isn’t anything amazing.
This is an absolute steal.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 3:36 PM PDT reply actions
I can't believe it at the moment
I’m expecting the PTBNL to be someone relatively good but we don’t need Corbin or Rodriguez.
And Haren is a significant upgrade on Joe Saunders.
It’s what we said we needed when we get to the playoffs, having top notch guys to match up with the Yanks etc
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps
We’ll see if it helps us for 2010, the Rangers are good this year though. Less so next year, with no Smoak or Cliff Lee…
Good times my friend…
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
PTBNL supposedly a top prospect
But not Trout. According to Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic.
Souhan in Chinese! : "一會兒，德爾蒙楊想與他無關的隊友。不想讓他們打他。難道不希望他們偷了他的頭盔。不希望他們成為他的Facebook的朋友。"
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Jul 25, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't care about Conger as long as...
Sosh actually uses Napoli as a catcher.
by Nashdiesel on Jul 25, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be surprised if Conger
Since they have Miguel Montero. Who is “outstanding” but not Trout?
Off the top of my head it could be Richards, Martinez-Mesa (AZ needs pitching, could be an all pitching deal), Amarista, Conger, Segura, or Bourjos. Is Reckling still a top prospect? Horrible at AAA but has pitched well since the demotion to AA and he’s still young for that level.
I could hope that they’d consider Brandon Wood. For him to play alongside Mark Reynolds might be the best, and only, option to salvage his career.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
by RallyMonkey5 on Jul 25, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Definite rec.
SOmeone call in Darth Vader for the appropriate sound effect.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
I agree with this Nick Piecoro fella
I think it could be one of our Cedar Rapid pitchers or possibly Jean Segura
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
That signature is very interesting piece in book of Twins
Do you want a more precise translation? :p
-- Zot zot zot
Go for it if you want to translate it
It was in English originally. I just used Google translate to put it into Chinese – it was a weird enough sentence to begin with, and I thought it might be even better going through a few translations.
Souhan in Chinese! : "一會兒，德爾蒙楊想與他無關的隊友。不想讓他們打他。難道不希望他們偷了他的頭盔。不希望他們成為他的Facebook的朋友。"
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Jul 25, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I just heard on XM 175 that it is likely Tyler Skaggs.
They Had Tony R. on too.
by Wally's World on Jul 25, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
been reported that
DBacks have list to choose from and trout is not on the list
"Boy, did he drop a huge deuce in the stands!" (About a two-run homer)
Rex Hudler
Most rumors point to Skaggs.
That’s a shame.
It’s a lot to give up, and I really liked Joe — but this is an upgrade.
amazing how a trade
immediately makes you feel like being excited about this team again.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Tony
I offer you my sincerest apologies for all my criticism of you. Not just this year, but previous years. You were right and I’m a jerk off. Thank you, sir, for making my day.
Red Hudler > Rodger Lodge
by Teixeira Who? on Jul 25, 2010 3:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
SWEET!!!
I was a big Haren fan when he was in Oaktown. Seems like we didn’t give up too much either.
Sry to see u go Joe, but gotta take the upgrade.
The prospect won't be Trout
according to Jeff Passan (Yahoo) on Twitter
So i’m happy. If this is the case, as he should be untouchable.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 3:48 PM PDT reply actions
Congrats Angels!
Good to see you guys get Haren. I was worried he’d end up with the Yankees somehow… ugh.
Souhan in Chinese! : "一會兒，德爾蒙楊想與他無關的隊友。不想讓他們打他。難道不希望他們偷了他的頭盔。不希望他們成為他的Facebook的朋友。"
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Jul 25, 2010 3:48 PM PDT reply actions
Isn't it amazing,
How a common hatred for the skanks can bring different fanbases together?
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
amen to that
Souhan in Chinese! : "一會兒，德爾蒙楊想與他無關的隊友。不想讓他們打他。難道不希望他們偷了他的頭盔。不希望他們成為他的Facebook的朋友。"
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Jul 25, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh crap
As I sit here taking a dump….
by HalosBiggestFan on Jul 25, 2010 3:49 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I am pleased with this move, something new and shiny.
Never doubt the Ninja as so many of you fan members have done of late.
I hate the Texas Rangers
WOO HOO!!!!!
We’ll miss you Saunders (Kinda), but damn Haren is a Halo!!!
Torii Hunter has some Brain Movage
I'm here
Just arrived in Denver from D.C. and heard the news.
Reagins made a very good trade that should help the Halos for the next three years.
So what exactly did the Diamondbacks get in return? im not too familiar with your farm system.
Also thats one hell of a move by GM.
I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!
Pat Corbin is probably the best player in the trade
and the PTBNL will most likely be a good prospect too. Saunders and Rodriguez were throwaways.
I took your stash.
Looking like Skaggs.
If so — those are two of our top ten prospects at the moment. Even arguably two of our top five.
Rafael Rodriguez
Is a great arm for a struggling D-Backs bullpen.
Joe should do great in the NL.
I dont really know anything about Corbin.
Saunders will be much more successful in the NL, especially the NL West
Haren’s ridiculously unlucky BABIP and BAA will probably go down. I threw up a Tiger Woods fist pump when I heard this on the D’Backs telecast.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
You sure it wasn't a Jersey Shore Fist Pump lol.
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 3:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
no beat to beat up. haha
that’ll be me at the club later.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
We see your Lee Texas and counter with.
Dan Haren
I may have a new Bromance.
Dan Haren is so Dreamy.
Hopefully we can support the new guy with some run support to make things easier for him .
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 3:57 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Haren is a really good guy.
I have been lucky enough to talk to him a few times.
I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!
I would like fans from other teams troll us with good breaking news such as this on a more regular basis.
I hate the Texas Rangers
by 44FAN on Jul 25, 2010 3:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Troll?
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like mouth?
The cool Snakepit.
by Wailord on Jul 25, 2010 4:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
A bit of a joke, don't write a fanpost about me on your website please, I am quite harmless.
I hate the Texas Rangers
Well
Shucks. I had a whole thing with pretty charts and graphs…
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like mouth?
The cool Snakepit.
by Wailord on Jul 25, 2010 4:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Dude, you *SURE* you're not from HH originally? You seem to fit right in.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
A "good news" troll
Maybe it’s Professor Farnsworth?
Souhan in Chinese! : "一會兒，德爾蒙楊想與他無關的隊友。不想讓他們打他。難道不希望他們偷了他的頭盔。不希望他們成為他的Facebook的朋友。"
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Jul 25, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Good news!
It’s a suppository!
The Devil went down to Georgia, and all I got was this gold fiddle. Go Angels! helpfindscottajob@gmail.com
29yr old Dan Haren
Contract details:
2010 – $8.25million
2011 – $12.75million
2012 – $12.75 million
2013 – $15.5million (club option)
Ladies and gentlemen. We have a new top of the rotation starter for the next couple of years.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 3:58 PM PDT reply actions
I thought that was supposed to be Kazmir
Sighs…
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 3:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I know, I sigh too
But Kazmir was having real issues when we traded for him that we thought we could correct. We haven’t as yet been able to.
Maybe we trade him or convert him to be a closer. Possible options if the starter thing continues to not work out.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe we can trade Kazmir,Willits ,Q and a bag of balls
For Adam Dunn
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 4:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea but knowing the Yankees they get something better in the Offseason.
Damn Yankees!!!
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 4:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Cliff Lee
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Can he get to Dallas in time to start today?
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
Thats a 4:05 Start time I believe
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 4:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
12:35
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Jul 25, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
His next scheduled start was tuesday.
I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!
Saundo was a figment of our imagination anyway...
the smoke and mirrors are gone – and he wasn’t going to be anything better than a #5 anyway. Haren for 3 more years? Awesome.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
Every batter in the AL had Saundo figured out.
Haren will be new and fool them for awhile anyway.
I hate the Texas Rangers
me too
I cried a little recalling the summer day I sat in the front row of the family section before the game and watched Joe warm up in the bullpen before his first major league start thinking that the kid’s entire life goal was seconds away from happening and have used that mental image in my own life to stay focused on projects and move forward on the bigger goals in my own career.
by Rev Halofan on Jul 25, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I really loved that guy too.
It was awesome to say: Hokie Joe.
It was awesome to say: The Colonel.
It was awesome when all the smoke and mirrors actually did configure to give Joe a complete game shutout and a fist pump.
He was a great clubhouse guy — absolutely nothing to complain about with this dude.
But, this is an upgrade. With Corbin AND Skaggs in the deal, it costs a fucking lot. But I can’t say we aren’t getting value back.
Very true.
As much as Joe frustrated me at times over the years, I’m really going to miss him—he was so dominantly awesome when he was on and overall such an earnest, talented, go-get-’em guy.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
Agree
I liked Saunders, discussed his limitations, but never would say a bad word about him.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I definitely will be supporting him on the D'backs
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea--another reason to support the D-Backs over the Dojers
Saundo was a class act and had pitched some great games over the years
Agreed
I can do that while waving my Saundo bobblehead when he starts for the D-backs
Alternate red Angel jerseys FTW!!
+1
Wasn’t the best pitcher, but he did he job and was likable. He should do better in the weak NL, best of luck to him.
Yeah i'm kinda scared also.
I remember how geeked up we were when we got Kazmir.
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 4:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but...
Haren is striking out folks at a 9K/IP rate – which is very good. Also, giving up hits at a rate that he never has before – that should return to normal levels and you get your stud back.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
He has had lots of bad luck this year
With a high BABIP. He strikes a lot of guys out and doesn’t walk too many. We have also given up a lot less to get him than for Kazmir.
Torii Hunter has some Brain Movage
we don't know yet
We had Kazmir trade as a steal before the PBTNL was named as SRod
# Halo Heaven Fantasy Champ 2008 #
I don't know
Alex Torres might be insanely good for the Rays someday.
Torii Hunter has some Brain Movage
Who ever said the Kazmir trade was a "steal"?
Anybody who ever said that was a fool.
With all the money on his contract, his injury history, and a 7+ ERA before the ASB last year — someone actually used that word: “steal”?
Yes, many people did.
They are known as Ray fans.
His BABIP is pretty high.
Haren isj ust having a down season. He is a terrible second half guy though.
I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!
He played on the
Diamondbacks. Of course his ERA is high.
WTY's ERA+ = 135 : - / -- Kevin Frandsen > Brandon Wood??????
The homers have hurt his ERA (Haren has allowed 23 HRs)
But with a K/9 ratio of 9.00, an xFIP of 3.38 and consistent velocity over the last three years, the ovrerall numbers actually look okay. I hope the scouting reports confirm that his stuff is still as good as ever.
by Fan Since 1981 on Jul 25, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
His ERA is high due to...
a career high BABIP rate and HR/FB rate. Basically a few more hits have fallen this year and he has suffered from homre run-itis.
There has been no noticable drop in velocity like Kazmir or in breaking ball usage like Kazmir. Likewise he hasn’t suffered any injuries this year (I don’t think). His BB rate and K rate are still excellent.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
There were susipicions about his hip earlier in the year.
I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!
Ah cheers
Did he have x-rays or anything? Or was it just suspicions?
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Just suspicions
I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!
Didn't really think about this but the PTBNL could be Conger
by Riveraistheman! on Jul 25, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions
Who is Conger?
I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!
I havent heard of him,
I said earlier in the thread im not familiar with your system.
I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!
An awesome catcher
If he is the PTBL, the D-Backs win this trade. Conger if he stays healthy, could be an RBI King.
No way...
Conger is not that good. Not with the injuries and limited power.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
Most likely
Unless their GM is a total dumbass…..which considering what he just did might not be a stretch.
I took your stash.
Money dump does not make you a dumbass. The Angels took on a lot of money
44fan claims that it is a fact Vlad will get hurt. Here is to your "borrowed time" Vlad. You were, are, and will be the man Vlad.
Howie starting at 1b tonight, Naps not in the lineup.
mean anything?
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
The PTBNL is supposed to be a top prospect (not Trout).
Another deal?
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Jul 25, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Most likely not
Reports indicate that a “top prospect” is the PTBNL
by Riveraistheman! on Jul 25, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
We got LaRoche(sp.) too...?
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 4:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait do you guys seriously think the Dbacks could be getting Napoli?
I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!
they have montero, arguably a top 5 catcher in the league….. i doubt they’d want Naps
In Kobe we trust!
Once Laroche leaves our 1b situation is one big ass question mark
I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!
mvp of the futures game
i know that we all love him
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Why would we trade away our best hitter now, that would not make a lot of sense.
I hate the Texas Rangers
it means we have a guy with a much better chance of creating
runs on the bench while Jeff Mathis plays probably the most important game of the season.
Wonderful isn't it?
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Jul 25, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a good trade
As long as he “establishes his fast ball, stays within his mechanics….”
# Halo Heaven Fantasy Champ 2008 #
What in the eff?
Hokie Joe?!?!?
AHHHHHHHH – thats two out of the last 3 years my current favorite Halos was shipped off for a trade.
First Kotch, now Saundo…..
Darn it…
Cant argue with getting Haren though.
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 25, 2010 4:10 PM PDT reply actions
Start liking Wood and Kazmir
>_>
<_<
by TheKingfish on Jul 25, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I pick guys that started in the organization and worked they way up....
guys that arent flashy, but go out and do the job…….
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 25, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone in the MLB knows of those guys though.
I like the under the radar types.
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 25, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
Looks like the Angels are NOT giving up on this season.
Wow again.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
They better not give up.
Tonight is kinda a big game.
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 4:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Corbin
apparently he is the big piece in this deal, several analysts have been saying this.
I never heard much about him. Very stoked.
by The Blake Griffin Era on Jul 25, 2010 4:13 PM PDT reply actions
I hope the player to be named isn't Iz
Is that why we got Callapso?
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
I think we got AC so Iz can slide over to 2b and Howie to 1b
as in tonight’s lineup
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Jul 25, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow again if true
Then Howie back to 2nd next year and Iz to utillity next year or trade bait.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Jul 25, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah I'd keep Iz at 2b and move Howie
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Jul 25, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
player to be named will be good, remember srod was the ptbnl...
in the kazmir trade. i think will be one of; bourjos, trumbo, conger, segura, skaggs, walden, reckling.
I think the DBacks would take a position player
Since they have already gotten 3 pitchers in the deal
Torii Hunter has some Brain Movage
I think you might be right
I don’t see Trumbo fitting anywhere with us on the 25 man roster
Torii Hunter has some Brain Movage
Give Reagins Some Credit
Nobody complained back in December when injury-prone Vlad was replaced by WS MVP Matsui. Only now that Vlad is healthy and putting up big numbers in the most hitter-friendly park in the AL do Angel fans complain. HINDSIGHT! Now, let’s look at the positive..we let Chone “every other year is a good year” Figgins go, and now we acquire a good player and great pitcher who won’t be FA’s for a long time. The jury is still out on the decisions on letting Lackey and Oliver go (although I’m confident we won’t regret it). Yes, the Kazmir move isn’t looking good right now, but, again, remember how well Kaz pitched last September. I still think he can get back to that…maybe.
Overall, Reagins is doing a good job and deserves to be acknowledged. I especially like that he got a great pitcher who is NOT a rental. Next year, we’ll have Haren and the Rangers won’t have Lee. ‘Nuff said! And there’s still some hope for this year.
I complained
Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!
by Angel Hawker on Jul 25, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
hahah nah, there was alot of people who wanted Vlad back. I wanted him back since I still value loyalty, and loved/love watching him swing even if it does mean the occasional double play
In Kobe we trust!
The occasional DP?
Did you not watch him the last 2 seasons with the Angels, if there was a man on first it was nearly guaranteed he was gonna DP it up.
by Dontbatvlad4th on Jul 25, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
True...
I wanted Vlad to retire in an Angel uniform. He was a unique player the likes of which we will probably never see again (sniff, tear).
Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!
by Angel Hawker on Jul 25, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
A phone call by Arte got it done last time
This time he’ll have to throw in an apology and the Impaler will be back for good.
I took your stash.
Don't look now, but Vlad is 4-for-31
No HR or RBI during that time, either.
I’m not insisting that he’s done for the year, but it is possible that his age and physical condition is catching up with him, after that hot start in the first half.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 26, 2010 3:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Someone said it might be Tyler Skaggs.
I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!
One of them
Reckling
Chatwood
Richards
Martinez Mesa
Skaggs
Corbin
Were our top minor league SP’s this year
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Reckling?
Hoping it’s not Richards or Skaggs.
Chatwood or Mesa would be fine since they have control issues.
Still you have to like how we’re turning A/AA pitchers into legit pro players, even if it does hurt the depth a bit
Could be any of them
Or someone like Segura, maybe Conger (although I highly doubt it).
But you’re right this is good work.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
If it is that blows
Skaggs looks like he’s going to be a 4 pitch left with a above average velocity (for a lefty)….ton of projectibility. Been looking great all year.
We don't have any top position players other than Trout
Conger and Bourjos are decent prospects, but our pitchers in the low minors are clearly the ones with higher upside
NOOO
not Skaggs
he was going to be one of my favorites
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Jul 25, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
So Haren takes Tim Salmon's 15..?
Or Hokie Joes 51..?
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 4:17 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
let him have 15
there must have been some magic in that old fifteen he found for when he placed it on his shirt we began to come around
That reminds me of a prospect we used to have named Frosty T. Snowman
He did great every year in the winter league but sort of faded away by spring training.
by RedHatHalo on Jul 25, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't worry
He’ll be back again someday.
by rspencer on Jul 25, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't he go to the Giants?
ISTR him rescuing a kid at home plate
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
J.T. Snow
probably the best defensive first baseman we ever had. Though erstad is near and dear to my heart.
And he had a solid offensive career from what I remember. Like two or three 25 HR seasons.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
what about Kotch?
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
Okay. I just had this cross my mind.
Let me start this with a prayer that this situation doesn’t play out.
Dan Haren is locked up until 2013 with the option on the last year. Anybody else see that this is our management getting an ace for when weaver leaves in a few years. Preparing to have leverage against Boras. This is what we thought we were doing with the Kazmir trade because Lackey was all but gone. Just a thought.
But I think we will lock up Weaver long term in the next two years.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Ugh, that would suck
It might give us leverage though, and Weave might want to come back knowing that he has a formidable partner in Haren.
Hopefully Weaver and Haren become best bros.
I just hope Napoli doesnt get jealous haha.
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 4:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
thank you
they are planning to have two aces for the rest of this year and the next two. THEN they will count the rings…
I’ve had a bad feeling about Weaver remaining in an Angel uniform as I’ve watched his team basically affirm some of Lackey’s statements regarding the play behind him. I hope it doesn’t happen but I’m getting really nervous about it, I think with each blown W it is pushing him closer and closer to not even considering resigning.
by Dontbatvlad4th on Jul 25, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
worry about that when it is time to worry about that
two years from now we might all be nuked and it will be the Lincoln Angels of Nebraska
Lincoln would get nuked before LA
The primary control point for the US nuclear forces is located nearby in Omaha, and the whole area is surrounded by about a dozen active missile sites. Eastern Nebraska would get frickin’ wasted in a nuclear attack.
God, my dissertation topic is taking control of me.
San Diego would be screwed though, and me with it
Home to three aircraft carriers, dozens and dozens of surface ships, two fully functional airfields and numerous other facilities.
Yeah Kim Jong, I’m watching you…
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Jul 26, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
that only an assumption
if the enemy seeks to take out the country’s nuclear capabilities, then Lincoln is a prime target.
BUT if the enemy only has a few bombs and wants to create disheartening mayhem, gotta think he will be singing the Randy Newman song before choosing to vacation at the sand dunes…
On the bright side, they'd take out New York first.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Dan Haren can hit better than Brandon Wood also
LOL
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 4:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
he had a four hit game earlier this season...
How many times has wood done that?
Now stuck in Colorado Springs
by stuck in Romania on Jul 25, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
This PTBNL stuff should be illegal
I can’t handle the anxiety over it.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Jul 25, 2010 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Jul 25, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
lol yea the ptbn is soooo lame… i just know its gonna be someone that I will hate to lose, fing Kazmir! why did the ptbn have to be S. Rod……
rumor is it might be naps…. but who knows….
In Kobe we trust!
Yeah stupid rules
Though i guess it has to do with something about you can’t trade someone in their first year with your organization since it’d be like trading draft picks
He is a PTBNL because you can't trade a draft pick till 1 year AFTER signing.
Corbin signed early enough so his name is public. MLB 175 is reporting it is Tyler Skaggs.
by Wally's World on Jul 25, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I already feel a strong kinship with Dan Haren...
Grew up in Monterey Park → Good Chinese food
Went to Bishop Amat High School → I got kicked out of here my sophomore year
Graduated from Pepperdine University → So did I.
God needed a starter. RIP #34
How many elementary, high schools, and colleges did you get kicked out of, rev?
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
LSB is well.....
not pleased.
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 25, 2010 4:26 PM PDT reply actions
None of the other AL West SBNation blogs are pleased...
A’s fans are disgusted by the thought of their boy in Halo Red.
Years later, Clutch still needs to chill.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, #34.
by cardinalwraith on Jul 25, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
screw the mother f'in Rangers and their fans.
It will give that idiot at LSB, ghostofErikThompson, something worthwhile to write about.
I hate the Texas Rangers
Good
They all need to bow down to the Kings and all assume the position.
We aint going nowhere but to the top.
Believe that.
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 4:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
My guess on PTBNL
Grichuk, or a top arm we acquired in last year’s draft.
As long as it isn’t Trout, I freaking love this.
Time to see what Wood's got!
See above: we already know it's not Trout.
Years later, Clutch still needs to chill.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, #34.
by cardinalwraith on Jul 25, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
i didn't say it was. there's no "proof" it's not trout yet
just speculation. though i really seriously doubt it would be.
Time to see what Wood's got!
If its Grichuk....
Im not gonna be happy…………:-(
of course it wouldnt suprise me if it is…….
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 25, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Its a good shout
As we do have Bourjos and Trout
and Chavez Clarke drafted this year as well.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn I begin to wonder if NA34 didnt tragically die like he did.
What our team would look like.
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 4:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
On Twitter
Dan Woike said LHP Tyler Skaggs is a strong candidate to be the PTBNL
https://twitter.com/OCR_DanWoike/status/19528159615
I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.
good...
I hope it is Skaggs.
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 25, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I HOPE NOT
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Jul 25, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Ack ... Didn't finish my thought
Next tweet from him said that Skaggs can’t be traded until Aug 7, and that even with him Angels still got the better deal.
https://twitter.com/OCR_DanWoike/status/19528238398
I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.
by lightupthehalo on Jul 25, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably Skaggs then
Since he was signed so late, the PTBNL has to be used……crap
I would agree that we would still get the better deal
As Haren is locked up for a good few years
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Better than Napoli
Can’t afford to lose his offense if we are going to have any chance this year.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Jul 25, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Would be disappointing
But I could definitely live with it. It would be a very fair trade. And we do have other SP’s in the minors. Skaggs is still all projection.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but he's one of the few with top of the rotation projection
Other than maybe Richards, I honestly don’t see our other arms at Top rotation guys
He does have top of the rotation projection
But it does rest on development in his curve and additional velocity to his fastball.
I can live with it, as we have Richards, Mesa, Bedrosian and the AA boys Reckling and Chatwood.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I've been down on Mesa, Chatwood and Reckling b/c of their control issues
I think that is really going to hold them back
Plus Bedrosian could start, but a lot of scouts have talked about him more as a power-reliever.
True
Bedrosian will start at first. We were really high on him. And he’s 18 as well, so he will follow the Skaggs development curve.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
But I think Corbin and Skaggs are arguably the best arms right now.
If I were another club looking to poach talent, those would be the first two I would pick as well.
Perhaps, I sorta agree, I think they are safe/good picks for the D'Backs
I think they have shown the best control, Skaggs on a limited pitch/inning count though (which should be expected as he doesn’t have to go through lineups as often). Corbin has been an odd one, as he improved from the step up to A+.
However Richards and Mesa have been scouted to have the better stuff. And similar to Chatwood and Reckling need to sort out their control.
It’s a loss, but if one of the other four improve their control (probably with the exception of Reckling, whose stuff doesn’t wow everyone) in a meaningful way, their stuff would profile them as a better pitcher.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I think there are a lot of prospects with good "stuff".
I like to see to control, diversity of arsenal, and composure — all of which those two have.
I’m optimistic about any prospect with K/9 of 9 or better, and a BB/9 under 3. Corbin and Skaggs have both delivered that this year.
Again, I think it’s a fair trade. But it’s a lot to give up, no question. Our system was really depleted before the very good 2009 draft, and early returns on the 2010 draft aren’t looking great.
It also really devoids our system of lefties other than reckling
Particularly since we already traded away Smith
the 2010 draft is looking like a train wreck.
Lindsey and Bolden were huge overdrafts. Scouts didn’t even think Lindsey had the tools to be anywhere near the 1st round. Bolden is striking out in more than half his abs.
Clarke has been switch-hitting since he was like 13 I’ve read but scouts still talk about how his hitting is poor. At least he has tools.
Bedrock’s son so far isn’t doing well, and I know it’s small sample size, but man he’s getting lit up.
Then our top draft pick hasn’t even signed. And neither has the lefty from Oregon or Oregon State who can tough 97.
VERY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE
Linsey has 83 AB
Bolden has 62 AB
Clarke has 56 AB
Bedrosian has pitched 3 innings
do you know how Grichuk did in his first 65 AB last year
.246 HR 0 2B 4 3B 2 K 22 BB 3
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
can you make feel better than and find me a useful player
that struck out in 34 of their first 62 AB’s of professional baseball like Bolden has?
seriously
your that worried about an 18 year olds first 62 professional ABs?
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
his results coupled with
scouts saying he struggles to square up the baseball in batting practice. Yea right now I see the guy crapping out in AA.
david kahn!
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Jul 25, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
they did just trade for saunders
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
by IE Angel on Jul 25, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Were saving him for when we deal for Ryan Braun
lol I wish
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2010 4:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
AH M'F'ER
DONT TELL ME THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 25, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Awwww
Trade Wood for Saunders, do it now Reagins!
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Radio interview, he was definitely crying.
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Jul 25, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, he was crying.
I feel like a heel for being happy.
dude his ERA is better for the AL than Haren's is for the NL
and Haren cost 2 very nice prospects and costs more money.
There's no crying in baseball.
Dude will make millions over his career. Think about that, man up, and dry your tears in 100 dollar bills.
Rory Markas. Alex Chilton. 2010, you suck!
by LazorkoRules on Jul 25, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
He'll make millions, yes
But it undeniably hurts being traded from a team that you went through the system with. He built a connection to the team, and is sad that it’s severed.
Then he should have pitched more aggressively.
He’d still be here if the dude could have been a bit more manly on the mound. Learned how to back batters off the plate, not nibble. Channel his inner Pedro Martinez.
Rory Markas. Alex Chilton. 2010, you suck!
by LazorkoRules on Jul 25, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
why are you obtuse?
Emotions are natural in life unless you are a sociopath. Get over it. Life is about more than business, or are you one of those people who sees you parents as an inheritance machine and your friends as pickup trucks to borrow?
Emotions are natural.
But crying when you get traded? I don’t know about that one. I’ve moved several times to take jobs in new cities, never cried once. I cried when Nick Adenhard died. So crying when it is appropriate, I say “of course.” Crying because you were traded to a new team? Not in the same league. And in my opinion, crying in both circumstances cheapens the emotion. That’s my highly subjective take.
Rory Markas. Alex Chilton. 2010, you suck!
by LazorkoRules on Jul 25, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Disagree
My respect level for Joe Saunders just sky rocketed. The fact that he shed tears out of loyalty transcends any dollar value (surely you see the difference between him and Lackey). Saunder’s tears reminded me why I’m a baseball fan. I’m not a fan because of someone’s salary or because it is run like a business. No, I’m a fan because, in their own way, these players invest the same passion and spirit that I invest as a fan.
Also, the “moving for work” analogy doesn’t add up. I think it’s more along the lines of shedding tears after your high school graduation (or at least feeling incredibly sad and unsure as to what the future will hold once you leave your long established comfort zone). When graduating, you probably knew the same group of people for 10+ years. That was Joe. He knew these coaches, fans, players and front office for years and now he’s embarking on a new team and new league for the first time.. That’s why he’s feeling emotional.
Lackey walking to a rival felt like a smack to the face, Saunders display of loyalty has made that right.
Red Hudler > Rodger Lodge
by Teixeira Who? on Jul 26, 2010 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
The correct analogy is basically getting fired from an office job....
You were dismissed and replaced because of performance. On the way out though we secured you a position with a competing company. We just don’t want you working here.
But that's not why he shed tears.
He shed tears because he’ll be leaving the fanbase and players. I suppose the job analogy works if you worked side by side with the same people for several years and built an incredibly close bond with your co-workers.
Red Hudler > Rodger Lodge
by Teixeira Who? on Jul 26, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a nice way of putting it..
but I have a feeling some of those tears were related to the type of team he was leaving vs. where he was going. If he had been traded from the Pirates to the Yankees does he have the same reaction?
So wrong
To begin with, it wasn’t as if Saunders’ name had been dangled as trade bait for weeks. I think we were all startled that his name was the one in the trade, and we weren’t going to be going anywhere. He must have been stunned.
Then consider that several of the players on the team are guys he came up through the minors with (Aybar, Kendrick, Morales, etc) and you have some daily friendships which will be lost (or compromised). The guys in the clubhouse crew, the trainers, everybody connected with the team are folks Saunders has been working with his entire professional career.
It makes sense that he’d be emotional. In fact, it is right.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 26, 2010 3:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's prety cold.
Some carry the idea that loyalty is greater than $. I know…that’s foolish in professional sports. It appeared to me he did about the best he could with his ability.
I like the trade, AND salute the (apparent) fact he was emotionally affected by the trade.
He was pretty choked up...
…he couldn’t finish the sentence, “…when you’ve been playing with these guys for 8 years…you know…it’s kinda hard to say good-bye…”.
Perfectly understandable emotion.
The Angels are a fantastic organization, have enjoyed great success while Joe was with the team, and the players are a good group of guys. Now, had he been traded away from the Mariners, he’d probably have been doing cartwheels and his enthusiasm would have been off the charts.
Again from Dan Woike
https://twitter.com/OCR_DanWoike/status/19529078384
He thought Scioscia was going to ask him to pitch on short rest. :( So sad!
I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.
by lightupthehalo on Jul 25, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
What a gamer………..gawd….it sucks so bad.
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 25, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I seem to recall from the snippets of "odd man out" ...
that Tony Reagins was like the grim reaper for the young prospects who were cut. I seem to think that he was the guy that told Joe he was gone.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 26, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't one of the clips from that book Reagins crying when he had to let guys go?
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Yes, but I heard that he was the one who brought the hammer...
dozens of times.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 26, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was his job to cut people.
But he hated every second of it. He cried when he was forced to make cuts and effectively end a player’s lifelong dream.
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
That makes me very sad.
I liked Saundo when he was on. Not so much when he was off—but you always knew he was putting his best shot forward.
I’m really going to miss him.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
Sounds awesome Ninja has snagged Haren
This PTBNL business sucks though… I feel a stroke coming on.
Good for the Halos!
Alternate red Angel jerseys FTW!!
no not another Kazmir
the last PTBNL was S-Rod
fire the Angels Front office
"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless" - Kenny Powers
Shouldnt you be making another kid or something?
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 25, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Going from the worst team in the NL to the Angels...
Hey Dan, you just been traded to the Angels… what are you gonna do now?
I"M GOING TO MATSUILAND!
God needed a starter. RIP #34
by 3rd Echelon on Jul 25, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haren's ERA
I have liked Danny until this year.
Why do you guys think Haren’s ERA will be lower in the AL?
Don’t you think something is wrong? How many injuries has this guy had?
I'll just quote QuestofMerlin's earlier post since he explains it much better
“a career high BABIP rate and HR/FB rate. Basically a few more hits have fallen this year and he has suffered from homre run-itis.
There has been no noticable drop in velocity like Kazmir or in breaking ball usage like Kazmir. Likewise he hasn’t suffered any injuries this year (I don’t think). His BB rate and K rate are still excellent."
For how much I hate the term, one could say he’s be “unlucky”
HE PLAYED ON THE DIAMONDBACKS.
OF COURSE HIS ERA IS HIGH.
WTY's ERA+ = 135 : - / -- Kevin Frandsen > Brandon Wood??????
by Figgi4life on Jul 25, 2010 5:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Reagins says that the PTBNL wil be announced soon and that he is a "quality" player.
on channel 13 pregame
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jul 25, 2010 4:38 PM PDT reply actions
He also said the Dbacks have a choice of 3 players to choose from.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jul 25, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
The Diamonbacks reporter is on ESPeeN saying they got a steal from the Angels
4 players plus huge salary dump for D’Backs to do other things with. He is acting like the salary dump is the best part of the deal.
I hate the Texas Rangers
well for a broke ass club going nowhere it is
They’re turning into the Marlins of the NL West
by HaloFanInDC on Jul 25, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
For them its huge
We as a well run club, do not have to worry about salary issues. We just want good/great players. If we can exploit another teams problems with money, all the better ;-)
Cheers Arte!
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 25, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
That is like breaking up with Angelina Jolie for Betty White
and bragging about how much money you save at Denny’s because of the senior discount.
by Ballard Erik on Jul 25, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
You sir
are a poet.
Red Hudler > Rodger Lodge
by Teixeira Who? on Jul 26, 2010 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions
If someone is watching the conference
Can you update us on what is happening and the ambience of it? I don’t have MLB network :(
Years later, Clutch still needs to chill.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, #34.
And do you think Haren will pitch with passion and purpose against the A's?
Rory Markas. Alex Chilton. 2010, you suck!
by LazorkoRules on Jul 25, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
yes please
same!
I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.
by lightupthehalo on Jul 25, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
DH:
Wife will be happy about trade as her family lives in Anaheim area.
You know what they say: If Momma ain’t happy, nobody happy.
I thought it was
If Momma is on a diet, then the whole family is on a diet?
Alternate red Angel jerseys FTW!!
Haren's wife is excited to go here
At least we now have a player whose wife isn’t in love with the east coast
by TheKingfish on Jul 25, 2010 4:41 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Same
at least until the PTBNL is named. This is looking to be a great deal from a purely baseball standpoint
But Hokie Joe was awesome. He went out, did his job, didn’t complain. I’m going to miss him.
We couldn’t trade
Kazmir instead? I’ll take Joe over Kazmir any year (except for 06).
Also as long as PTBNL isn’t Conger, Bourjos, Trout, or Kohn, we’re fine. Maybe PTBNL is Wood (crossing my fingers)
They're looking to dump salary
Taking on Kaz would eliminate that. Plus Kaz is on the DL so they couldn’t trade him.
It’s already been mentioned that Trout isn’t going to be involved and I doubt Kohn is going to be a “Top prospect”
Conger and Bourjos are possibilities, but if they wanted a catcher, I don’t see why they didn’t go out and trade with the Yankees for Montero. As for Bourjos, the D-backs don’t seem to be hurting in the OF as much with Young and Upton, so i’d also doubt it’d be him
Kohn would be an awesome PTBNL
even the best relievers aren’t worth nearly as much as a solid starter or hitter, and this coming from a guy that thinks Kohn should have been on this team in May.
They are pissed....
they felt like they could have offered a similar/better package.
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 25, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
The stats on the site also seem to like Haren
Which will probably be a first for us
My favorite quote by them
“They did addition by subtraction and addition by addition”
Total agreement
lets hope so...
dumping that cold fish concrete shoe would be a better stunt that getting DH!
by angelsfaninsc on Jul 25, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
if anyone knows...
please send it down to the rest of us!
by angelsfaninsc on Jul 25, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Naps not in the lineup?
I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.
by lightupthehalo on Jul 25, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay
SS – Aybar
2B – Izzy
RF – Abreu
CF – Torii
DH – Stan
3B – Callaspo
1B – Howie
LF – Rivers
C – Mathis
Pitiful that Naps sn’t in for Mathis though
I don't think it is a major change
Naps just getting a day off and choosing HK to start first to let Izzy start second.
Torii Hunter has some Brain Movage
napoli is obama's new secretary of health and human services
one chick at a time…
by Rev Halofan on Jul 25, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
DBacks GM reasons for the trade
Saunders is a former all star and he wins games.
Torii Hunter has some Brain Movage
and he is...
a cheap bastard that doesnt want to pay for talent. God I DO NOT MISS the Disney days….
by angelsfaninsc on Jul 25, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha.....love it
this is such an improvement….we go from Saunder’s mediocrity/sub-average work to above-average with Haren
WHEN are we going to know the PTBNL?
I am going to have a heart attack.
I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.
hmmm
my wife heard them say on the telecast that FROD was in the deal? Did they just flub the words?
Ugh, I want audio/video of the press conference and Joe's interview...
Years later, Clutch still needs to chill.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, #34.
by cardinalwraith on Jul 25, 2010 5:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Checking in for the 1st time this season:
I’ve got tix to Wednesday’s game – where I presume Haren will slot into Hokie Joe’s spovt vs. Beckett. My excitement level just went up like 52%
The 1 (and only) Angels game I got to cover was a preseason game this year vs. San Diego where Joe pitched. He was a great guy to talk to and I felt bad as a fan to see him struggle this year.
I’m glad he had a quality start before taking off for Az. Via con Dios, Joe!
Welcome to the team, Danny Boy! The A on your cap will be slightly familiar – only this one don’t look like someone vomited on it and it’s got a snazzy Halo!
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
100% on Skaggs?
That’s what the D’backs beat writer just reported, and it’s on his Twit page… In classic twitter style: Told the ptbnl is going to be Skaggs, barring something unexpected. Angels were reluctant to include him.
Nice pickup Reagins
I like the trade for Haren, a little concerned about who the PTBNL will be. To bad the Angels couldn’t have gotten him last year (Lackey, Weaver, Santana, Haren, Kazmir) against the Yankees in the ALCS, they would have beat them and probably won the World Series.
Still need some help in the pen, Scott Downs would be nice. Not sure even with the addition of Haren that the Angels can make the playoffs but who knows what other surprises Reagins has in store this week.
Crap
Granted he’s far away, but he could have been a rotation mainstay by 22. Disappointing to lose one of the best arms in our system
If it's Skaggs, then hell yeah all the way!
Woohoo! We got Dan Haren!
Now that’s what I’m talking about!
Any time you think you have the game conquered the game will turn around and punch you right in the nose.
Mike Schmidt
Just heard....
wowwwwww, can’t wait until his first start in that new uni
shots fired at the rangers
(long term though Lee probably doesn’t sign with the Rangers)
I'm really freakin excited about this trade!!
Weaver is an ace in the making (if he’s not quite there yet), Santana is one of the best #2 starters, Piniero has been pitching well and comes from a long line of great St. Louis pitchers, and while Kaz has lost his way, I’m hoping he can return to form somewhat and at least be #4 starter quality. When you add Haren to that the Angels are gonna kick ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."--Cormican on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
I was meeting up with my German buddy at my other friend's house when this broke...
He had no idea why myself and the other Angel fan that lives there jumped up screaming and yelling at the MLB Network news break. Couldn’t ask for a more perfect introduction to baseball!
NINJA!!!!!!!
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
Das ist nicht schlect.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 26, 2010 3:12 AM PDT up reply actions
finally got home...
and now I can comment!
This trade was a freaking STEAL! I don’t care who the PTBNL is, it’s not Trout, so this deal is amazing. If it’s for Tyler Skaggs, as a few preliminary reports are stating, we win. Hands down. This trade is basically Haren for Saunders and spare parts. Fantastic!
My dad worked with Dan Haren’s mom until he retired this year… She says he’s extremely excited to be staying on the West Coast, and he grew up a huge Angels fan, so he’s excited about that, too.
Reagins says he’s either starting Monday or Tuesday! This race just got really fun…
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
not to be a downer
but this doesn’t mean much if we don’t start freakin scoring runs, right? if our bullpen doesn’t keep blowing up. adding another arm like Haren is great but is this for next 2-3 years or was this trade to help us now? if we can’t score runs and hold leads, then what was the point making this deal now? crossing our fingers and hoping Matsui, Abreu, and Rivera start tearing up the ball and making up for the first 4 months of the season.
btw i love the deal, i really don’t care who the PTBNL is, as long as Haren is healthy we got ourselves another potential ace.
2010 is a longshot...
but since this isn’t a rental it’s a great trade. He’ll help us for the duration of the contract. This is the ace we’ve been looking for since Colon.
Haren in, bullpen next
Dan Haren is now an Angel and that is great! Weaver and Haren at top of rotation is fantastic! Haren said he is happy to stay on West Coast especially because he grew up 20 minutes away. Bullpen should be addressed next and maybe a stick by deadline. Reagins said they are not completely done. So we wil wait and see.
WOW
My favorite pitcher goes to my least favorite team. Congrats to you guys. Bought low on an amazing pitcher. DBacks GM got swindled on this trade badly.
WTF GEREN?!?!?!
Yikes, rough time for you, huh?
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In the words of John Lynch, after the Donkeys stole an undeserved win from the Raiders thanks to an incompetent ref and a nonexistent time-out, “I feel bad… but not really.”
"I came back with an I-Don't-Care attitude. If I had an open shot, I was taking it."
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I bleed Purple N' Gold and Silver N' Black... because of this rare condition, I am no longer allowed to donate to the Red Cross.
by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Jul 26, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite Baseball team is tied with you guys
My fav football team is about to win the AFC West easily and ummm……Ya the warriors suck
WTF GEREN?!?!?!
Denver is not winning the West dude.
44fan claims that it is a fact Vlad will get hurt. Here is to your "borrowed time" Vlad. You were, are, and will be the man Vlad.
Pure comedy gold
You all must read the thread on LSB about the trade.
Basically, one gets the see the light bulb begin to glow, ever so dimly, above the heads of the participants as they realize:
° The Yankees weren’t in on Haren because they have their sights set of bidding for Lee in the offseason
° It is highly unlikely that the Rangers will be able to outbid the Yankees for Lee (or anyone else)
° That means the team gave up Smoak for a rental of Lee and an all-in attempt to get to the WS in 2010
° And unlike Lee, Haren isn’t a rental and he’ll be atop the rotation with Weaver in 2011 as well, even as Lee gets fitted for pinstripes
In between are the random notes of various posters whistling past the graveyard, convincing themselves that this doesn’t change anything (as if parting out Saunders for Haren in and of itself didn’t bode for an improved outcome for the Angels’ 2010 season).
It is great hilarity. Do yourself a favor and spend a few minutes scrolling through the thread.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
Humorous indeed
I can’t figure why the Wyoranger dude says he checked our site and there was nothing going on
By my count, this puts next year's payroll around $130 mil plus change
Meaning we may be looking to shed salary this offseason instead of adding it. There are no real remaining holes on next year’s club – this deal takes care of that – but it doesn’t leave room for luxuries (read: Crawford).
What if Rivera and/or Abreu get traded for mid-prospects?
How much salary does that take off the books? Not that I ncessarily want to see either of them gone.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
Not that much for Rivera
Abreu for 2011 is $9M (plus $1M buyout for 2012), Rivera is $5.25M.
Honestly, I think Rivera would prefer to be paid as much as folks seem to believe is is being paid.
That said, my guess at this point is the team has decided to roll with Bourjos in 2011 instead of Crawford. Dan Haren just got the money which would otherwise have been spent on a FA ($41M over next three seasons if the option is picked up).
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 25, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I thought I remembered Rivera had a pretty team-friendly deal.
Just didn’t know HOW team-friendly. Also, isn’t Haren’s deal pretty team-friendly, too?
I wouldn’t necessarily want to see Abreu go either…
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
He's owed around 4million this year
12.75 for 11 and 12 with a 15.5 team option for 13 with a 3.5 buyout
I think the most likely guy to go is Mike Napoli
But not this offseason, and not until we’re sure that Conger still has a useable shoulder.
Yeah, but if Napoli goes there's really not THAT much money off the books, is there?
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
To the haters...
(ok, so it’s old but it’s the best I can do on short notice)
no way
the only thing old about leon is leon
by Rev Halofan on Jul 25, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Did he ever get fired for this?
I can’t go to enough games anymore to know, and not sure if he is around still…
This should be immortalized as a statue outside the ballpark
I think it would look good next to Autry.
Red Hudler > Rodger Lodge
by Teixeira Who? on Jul 26, 2010 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions
And on a serious note, I can't yet read all the posts on this thread but do you think...
…that regardless of the games behind (tonight sucked), with this trade does it signal the Angels will NEVER be sellers this year or throw in the towel or do you think that it could still be possible, and this is mostly for 2011?
And hopefully a big OF signing in the offseason as well?
they have to know that their chances are slim this year
with Haren, they set themselves up for an epic run at the playoffs this year, but they set themselves up more for 2011, when the Rangers won’t have Cliff Lee and we’ll have Kendry Morales back.
Look out.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just hope Haren doesn't become a Kazmiss
But I know I’m just a gunshy fan right now…
Yeah, scary thought
IF we have another Kaz on our hands, that could cost Ninja his job. That would be close to 25 mill on two guys pitching below league average
by HaloFanInDC on Jul 25, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
As the good ship Halo gets mired in the maelstrom of medicrity known as the current season
we have 3 things to give us optimism:
1. Haren
2. Kowbell will return
3. We have Trout
Plus you can bet your sweet ass we will be serious bidders for one of Lee, Crawford, or Werth(if not more)
5. Bourjos
I took your stash.
I'd like crawford, but not at the max deal he'll be looking for
It’d be great to have speed at the top of the order again, but i’m afraid how much he’ll end up costing.
Admittedly, the thought of having Crawford in left, Torii in Center/Right and Bourjos in Right/Center is exciting. There wouldn’t be a fly ball that wouldn’t be caught.
Pass on Werth, we have enough OF’s for now.
by HaloFanInDC on Jul 25, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Joe!
I never once thought you gave anything less than your best. You’re a great competitor and I know that the Dbacks fans will grow to appreciate your tenacity.
P and H
All we need now is a reliever and hitter. Westbrook or a Marlins pitcher?
Haren
Will compliment Weaver very nicely at the top of that rotation. Throw in Santana and Pineiro, this looks pretty dang good…. and then there’s Kazmir….
FWIW
Keith Law loves the trade for the Angels.
And he mentions other executives he spoke with who also liked the Angels side of it as well.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I like the trade because we needed something to shake things up...
…but if Law likes it, that worries me.
Crap.
Why does that worry you?
I love Law. And I’m pretty sure he didn’t like the Kazmir trade for the Angels, so he’s got a good track record with these things.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I'm joking.
Usually, critics never seem to approve of most things the Angels do, so when they actually think it’s something positive…I get worried :P
How did the D'backs not get Meza or Richards.
they must have really fallen in love with Skaggs.
They want power. We want respect...
Again from Law
Apparently the D-backs REALLY wanted to take Skaggs in the 2009 draft and were hoping he fell to them after the first round. And now that he’s been good in his limited minor league career, it was a no brainer for them. In fact, it’s probably their love of Skaggs that got this deal done.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
You know, Skaggs is really, really good
I don’t think it’s a question of Arizona overvaluing him. I was playing around with new rankings last week and he fell third, fourth, or fifth on every pass. Abe Flores talked about him in a totally different tone than he did with the other guys.
Also – seeing him live, on a game when he was on… well, he made a lot of 22 and 23 year olds look foolish. He was untouchable. If all goes well he’ll have 4 average to above average pitches.
Yeah
My wife hated the trade, she loves Saundo. I also liked Saundo a lot but this is not only an upgrade but a loud and clear message that the Angels are not conceding the season to Texas. Heck, we beat the Bosox two out of three and sweep Texas next weekend and we are right back in it. Go Angels!!!
Xavier Calvera
Better chance of sweeping Boston than Texas, imho.
But, I like your enthusiasm. Let’s do this! GO HALOS!
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 26, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, no doubt there will be some self-imposed and external pressure....
…on Haren tonight, but I think there will be even more on the offense.
They HAVE to provide some run support since they failed in 3 of 4 games in what was the most important series to date this year.
They can’t keep failing. I can’t even point at Oakland and make fun anymore as they might pass us. Thank gawd for Seattle.
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