Yes, I am that Greedy
by angelsfaninsc on Jul 25, 2010 4:27 PM PDT
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PrintOk... first off... HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So Fucking awesome to get Dan Haren. Now we know that if we can get to the playoffs we have a 3 man rotation that can keep pace with anyone (Weaver/Haren/Santana).
With that said. Im going to be greedy and propose the question. What does it take to get a BIG bat in to close out the trade season?
Can we afford to lose anymore depth in the minor league system? Or is anymore trading just a desperation pass for the touchdown?
Thoughts? Ideas?
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Santana is fucking better, that’s why.
defintely way better...
ok maybe not way better, but i give him the edge… And I like Pinata.
Now stuck in Colorado Springs
by stuck in Romania on Jul 26, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Well CC is definitely better than Weaver...
You know what you’re getting with Pettite. And if AJ is on, there is nobody better. But right now, the guy pitching like a number two is probably Javy. If I had to make a prediction, I say CC wins his start, and the other two split.
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if AJ is on, there is nobody better...
really? calm down, troll. he’s not THAT good.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
How am I trolling?
Going to another teams site is not trolling like you people think. It’s called intelligent conversation. You could refute my statement if you like. That’s whats great about these blogs.
And yes, the Philadelphia Phillies would vouch for that argument…
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by jramey on Jul 25, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
what do you mean, "you people"?
here, allow me to refute:
Burnett hasn’t had an ERA under 4.00 in 3 years (2010 included). His WHIP hasn’t even been league average since 2007, an injury-shortened year for him. His H/9 are up, his K/9 and down, and he’s throwing wild pitches like a mad man. Oh, and his HR/9 are up, too.
He’s not that good. Barely league average, at best, and certainly not worth whatever insane amount of money you guys are paying him to “eat innings” which, incidentally, he doesn’t do, averaging under 6 IP per start.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
This blog has a reputation among SBnation for banning people for even coming to this site
I spoke nothing about stats. Sure, he’s not a top 15 pitcher. He throws some stinkers that make you want to pull your hair out, and he throws some gems that make you realize his potential. All I said was, when he’s on, he’s pretty much unhittable.
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Weaver, Haren, and Santana are also unhittable when they are on
Overall though, Burnett doesn’t match up with our guys.
Torii Hunter has some Brain Movage
meh.
I’d consider Weaver to be the best comparison. He has great “raw” stuff. He reminds me of a young AJ. Except AJ threw 100mph and had no clue where the ball was going
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Hahahaha
The last part made me laugh.
WTY's ERA+ = 135 : - / -- Kevin Frandsen > Brandon Wood??????
by Figgi4life on Jul 26, 2010 9:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
At least do your research
Weaver’s raw stuff is average, save for his excellent change up. It’s his control and command that make him so tough. Santana is the best comparison, actually.
When he's on, Brandon Wood is one of the best power hitters on the majors!
See? I can throw out meaningless crap statements with no basis, too.
If you’re going to make a statement like that and declare that nobody is better than AJ Burnett “when he’s on”, you better be able to back it up with something.
and, as I graciously pointed out to you, you can’t do that.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=290807110&prov=ap (Aug 2009)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2009_WS.shtml (WS)
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okay, first off
in that first game, Burnett had 6 BBs. excuse me not bursting into tears from teh awesumz.
second off, taking very small, one game snapshots doesn’t mean you’re the greatest pitcher known to man. Armando Galarraga was one out away from a perfect game this year. He’s not a very good pitcher.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
those were the first two that came to mind.
You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said he was the greatest pitcher known to man. I said WHEN HE WAS ON…note that last part, it’s fairly rare, there is nobody better – nobody has better stuff
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sighhhhh
you’re really not catching on.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
You are twisting the words I said
When AJ harnesses his stuff – which is once in a blue moon – he is very, very good.
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becuz teh Yankeez r alwayz bettr den evry1 els!!1!
DUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure he strikes out more batters,
But CC has a better ERA, gets a ton more ground balls, eats more innings, and has a better HR rate. Weaver is a very good pitcher, but he’s not CC.
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Oh dear Lord...
please go away. you’re really not helping your cause here. I’m no stat head (though we have a few around here) and even I know you’re an idiot.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
what is wrong with that statement?
What’s your case for Weaver being better?
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My problem with that statement
is that you said CC was better because he gets more ground balls and eats more innings.
you’re really not worth the time.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
It's pretty sad that some people on this blog can't have an intelligent conversation...
So you would like to argue that a better k/9 and bb/9 counts the most toward evaluating a pitcher? You’re right theres no point in arguing you, because you are going to talk yourself into what you want to believe. You could atleast have a mature, adult conversation.
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I tried to have a mature conversation
you’re to busy believing that your crappy pitcher that your team severely overpaid for is the best WHEN HE’S ON. and then you provided absolutely no defense for that statement, outside of closing your ears, sticking your tongue out at me, and telling me that you can’t hear me. give me a break.
I backed up my view point with stats… you know, those things that people accumulate and use as tools to evaluate players? Yeah… those.
it’s not my fault you either choose to ignore it or can’t understand it.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Most of the time, he is severely inconsistant.
But we weren’t talking about stats. He has had a slightly below average ERA for his career, high BB, and high K’s. When he can maintain the BB’s and not let his ball tail over the plate – he is top tier talent. I’m not sure what is so hard to grasp… this has nothing to do with stats
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You know who else is GREAT when he's ON?
I can think of two pitchers. Daniel Cabrera and Oliver Perez.
We may not always bust out the great intellectual discussion
But we’re good at banning people (lol)
and pretty damn funny too (he says modestly and with little degree of accuracy)
Weaver may not be better than CC but he looks cooler
so you like fat people?
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Jul 26, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
which means he's automatically better.
welcome to the West Coast, B.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
sar ... big gap?
What?
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Jul 25, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think he meant he just had a sargasm
He had a lit cigarette in his hand and it made it difficult for him to type in the afterglow.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 26, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
In 2010, Weaver has definitely been better than Sabathia
2010 WHIP:
Weaver: 1.09
Sabathia: 1.22
2010 K/9:
Weaver: 9.87
Sabathia: 7.42
2010 BB/9:
Weaver: 2.01
Sabathia: 3.06
2010 FIP (Fielder Independent Pitching):
Weaver: 3.14
Sabathia: 3.64
Even though Sabathia has actually been luckier than Weaver this year:
2010 Sabathia BABIP: .285
Career Sabathia BABIP: .295
2010 Weaver BABIP: .302
Career Weaver BABIP: .296
2010 Sabathia LOB%: 76.0%
Career Sabathia LOB%: 72.7%
2010 Weaver LOB%: 75.5%
Career Weaver LOB: 75.2%
2010 Sabathia HR/FB%: 8.6%
Career Sabathia HR/FB%: 8.5%
2010 Weaver HR/FB%: 9.1%
Career Weaver HR/FB%: 8.2%
In terms of just value:
2010 WAR:
Weaver: 3.5
Sabathia: 2.8
So, in summation, Weaver has better control over things that pitchers can actually control. He walks fewer batters and strikes out more batters than Sabathia. While Weaver has been unlucky with the home run ball, Sabathia has gotten some good fortune from balls in play.
I can’t see how you can say that Sabathia is better. You say he “eats more innings”, but he’s only thrown 10 more innings than Weaver in the same number of starts. That’s not significant enough to claim he can go deeper in games. Even last year, Sabathia pitched 230 innings in 34 starts, while Weaver pitched 211 innings in 33 starts. It’s not a significant enough difference, especially since Weaver pitched 4 complete games last year to Sabathia’s 2 complete games.
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
There is the winning-the-World-Series thing and all (cough cough)
and being dominant for the entire playoffs . . .
But perhaps these criteria aren’t as impacting as I would see them
Weaver pitched very well in the playoffs
Comparable to Sabathia, for sure.
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
I jused used Fangraphs.com
One of the best places for complete stats.
And after listening to some fantasy podcasts and reading some baseball books, I know what stats to look for when it comes to identifying luck vs skill.
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
Thank you, but I think we're all wasting our breath on this one.
Why is it that the trolls, some of them “concern trolls” rarely come out except when we play the Rangers. We’ve gotten a whole lot of visitors from other fanbases the last four nights.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
bite ur hethenistic toungue!
I smell Mo Vaughn in there somewhere……
by angelsfaninsc on Jul 25, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what would be greedy?
Signing Cliff Lee in the offseason.
1. Haren
2. Lee
3. Weaver
4.Santana
5. Pinero
Bwahahahaha
I took your stash.
Ratt Halliday FTW
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL!
I realized he meant Roy Halladay when I remembered he was talking about pitchers.
Last year was so confusing when both guys were available and nobody spelled their names right; I couldn’t tell which one they were talking about.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
I remember that too...
It drove me insane trying to figure out if people were talking about Matt or Roy.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
I'd like to see that!
Throw Yankee money at Cliff Lee.
And Sign Adam Dunn to DH (back up LF, !B)
I think Dunn would take a decent deal to come here after playing for so many crappy teams.
Don’t really want Crawford if Bourjos can leadoff and take a spot in the OF. (Pack Rivera in a deal for anything)
Just my greedy wishes.
Any time you think you have the game conquered the game will turn around and punch you right in the nose.
Mike Schmidt
by Monkeyspanked on Jul 25, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Heck we wouldn't even need Dunn with that beastly pitching staff
I would rather have them sign a pitcher than an outfielder especially since Bourjos and Trout will be ready in 2-3 years(maybe less).
I took your stash.
Bourjos
Is a lot closer than Trout isn’t he? I thought I heard that he could be up as soon as next year.
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."--Cormican on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
Bourjos should be a September call-up
and in a perfect world, a starter next year.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
That's why I don't want to see them get Crawford.
Bourjos can do that job. And on the cheap and young side.
Any time you think you have the game conquered the game will turn around and punch you right in the nose.
Mike Schmidt
by Monkeyspanked on Jul 25, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Crawford is established
Bourjos is not. That’s the big drawback.
I would love to see Bourjos get the job, and I honestly think he should be starting, but part of me is more than a little bit hesitant.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 25, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
pick up prince fielder.... and have a line up that looks like this....
Aybar-ss
abreu-rf
hunter-cf
morales-3b
fielder-1b
napoli-dh
kendrick-2b
bourjos-lf
conger-c
"Woody goes Buzz Lightyear over the green monster"
u must be simple
thats being nice…
morales on 3B? good thought… maybe you should go manage the Orioles.
by angelsfaninsc on Jul 25, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong, wrong, wrong
Fielder: Wrong for the team, either at 1B or at DH (which he has said repeatedly he doesn’t want to do). He is a Boras client we wouldn’t sign for the long term, which means giving up players to get a guy for 2011 and then he’s gone. That’s just stupidly shortsighted.
Morales at 3B: He doesn’t have the footwork to play 3B, and getting him adjusted to a new position is a great way to screw up his bat in the process
Conger in 2011: Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. He needs more experience behind the plate, given the rash of injuries he has suffered in his years in the minors.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 25, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Fielder DH next year starts at 1st this year can trade him next year if he doesnt want
to play DH and this isnt the Mariners you cant play the position you want Mike would spank his ass
So we surrender Trout and who knows who else to get Fielder for the rest of 2010
…and then trade his ass in the offseason?
Brilliant. Please go work in the front office of Texas.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 26, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you guys would have to surrender Trout, another top prospect, and someone like Santana,
for Prince
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The Pilsbury Doughboy for Trout, another top prospect, and Santana (really, who is like Santana?)
No. He’s not that good
Hey Ramey...
You know you are a closet Angels fan. Just go ahead and come on over.
Any time you think you have the game conquered the game will turn around and punch you right in the nose.
Mike Schmidt
by Monkeyspanked on Jul 26, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotta remember prospects are only prospects.
until they are prove themselves in the bigs. Ex. Alex Gordon – KC Royals
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A lot of teams are fishing for Trout, but they're just not gonna hook him
(see what I did there)
by Raaddad on Jul 25, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone else notice the Rangers drafted a guy named Skole?
And at the time, they had a prospect named Smoak – see both tobacco related
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Nice One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLy5xIjA6Z8&videos=Jck2SGNCRMg
Torii Hunter has some Brain Movage
I am sure another pun will come down the pike
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 26, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
thats just a bassless assumption.
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 26, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you're angling for a rec
That’s OK, but you cuda had it anyway. I can read you just fine, even though I am hard of herring. However, I smelt you coming a mile away.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 26, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd cast a nomination for another nibbler instead.
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 26, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
This whole thread seems fishy to me
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
There is no porpoise. We're just keeping on going for the halibut
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
You did remember, did you not...
…that now that the YanksSox have more than 3 quality starters MLB has finally agreed with Scioscia to shorten the breaks during playoff series and force teams to go at least 4 deep in their playoff rotations?
"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."
How come nobody beat up this poster for a lame fanpost?
Seems that we saved all of our wrath for Halowood and a few of the other rogue posters last week.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 26, 2010 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Are x-men men that are now women?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 27, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
The only words worth reading here are....
“…we have a 3-man rotation…”
Whoop-dee-doo. Three starting pitchers will not help the Angels hit or defend better. Three starting pitchers will not stop our bullpen from flaming out, unless we can get our #4 and #5 pitchers to start throwing some CGs.
Even though getting Haren is a good thing and all, the Angels have a huge mountain to climb if they’re going to make the playoffs.
in way do i disagree with you
however, we are in a better position tonight than we were last night. And, as a fan, proposed the “lame” question of can we continue to improve?
fuck me for thinking in a positive frame of mind.
by angelsfaninsc on Jul 26, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
nothing wrong with positive thinking
and i’m usually one of us who’s always seeing the silver lining. i think the haren acquisition is positive, but i’m just pointing out what i think are bigger gaps in the angels’ ability to win.
fuck me for thinking in a positive frame of mind.
Wow, thicken the skin, buddy. Didn’t mean to piss you off. You should see some of the other beatdowns throughout history here at HH. I thought I was fairly nice to you. Fuck me, then. Hostility abounds, part III.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 27, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
what make this lame?
im sorry if the fact that my fan posts do not quote out fangraphs and ramble on with statistics that essentially bore the shit out of most readers… i have a little less time on my hands than some others who can just ramble on endlessly about the stats they are plagiarizing. again… fuck me for proposing a simple question without paragraphs of “data” to back it up.
by angelsfaninsc on Jul 26, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong, you had a good concept (asking what's next), but the title was quite cryptic and contents sparse...
Usually, if someone throws out something with that kind of ambiguity, they get pummeled. Took a while before I finally got around to supplying the “beat-down.”
Also, 44FAN usually brings his own blog policing hammer on folks that end a fanpost with “thoughts, ideas? Discuss.” You did just that and he did not appear. Maybe he likes you?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 27, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
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