Glass Half Empty: Red Sox Bomb Angels Back To .500 Mark
by Suboptimal on Jul 28, 2010 4:33 PM PDT
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There is a reason Scot Shields hasn't made a start since 2003. Joel Pineiro was a late scratch this afternoon because of a left oblique strain, leaving the ball to--how can I say this politely--the struggling former setup man, who was also formerly a starter. Unfortunately, it didn't go well. Shields gave up two solo homers and loaded the bases before Mike Scioscia took the ball back with two outs in the second inning.
The middle innings gave some hope to those of us who have now given up on 2010. Francisco Rodriguez and Rich Thompson, two minimum wage relievers fresh from Salt Lake, pilloried the Red Sox for 5 1/3 innings of one-run ball, striking out seven while walking only one. However, Josh Beckett had little trouble holding down an Angel lineup including four middle infielders, two senior citizens, a light-hitting third-string catcher, and big slugging Reggie Willits. The Angels were fortunate to scratch out even three runs on a series of defensive misplays.
After the great work from the scrubs pitching for free, Fernando Rodney was asked to actually earn his $6 million paycheck by protecting a 3-3 tie in the seventh inning. Walk, walk, infield single (misplayed by Callaspo), grand slam. Just like that, Mephistopheles's previously charmed ERA normalized at a level commensurate to his skill, or rather, his lack thereof. At least it was satisfying to watch Michael Kohn record his first big league strikeout by hanging a golden sombrero on Big Juicin' David Ortiz.
It's about time to face it. The Angels have now fallen back to .500 after 104 games. They're in third place. They've been outscored by their opponents. They have three starters left with Pineiro possibly missing the rest of the season. Their best hitter broke his leg. The bullpen is a disaster. And so on. Do we have to wait until they are mathematically eliminated to start thinking about next season? Derrek Lee actually did the Angels a favor.
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ZOMG WE GOT DAN HAREN GUYS!
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Shields
gave up 2 solo shots. Rodney gave up a GS. This season’s basically over. There’s no offense left, no hustle left in our corner OFs, bullpen is full of overpayed, sucky guys, and the Halo’s best option of actually staying in the race, the SP, is now shot with Pinerio out.
Rodney turns out to be just what I knew he was.
And that blows.
I wrote this in January. Many disagreed, and continued to throughout the season.
It sucks to be vindicated in a sweep to the Boston beanshooters. But Fernando Rodney is not a good pitcher. The two cheaper alternatives I proposed in off-season, Oliver and Capps respectively, have ERAs of 1.90 and 2.80 respectively right now.
Sucks to be right sometimes
The satisfaction of having your opinion vindicated is overwhelmed by the disappointment with reality. Right now I blame reality for agreeing with me.
Congratualations--you win
We got exactly what the Tigers faithful told us we were going to get:
A very good closer and a shitty 8th inning guy. Big surprise.
Soth did not use Rockin Rodney correctly.
Is this for serious?
If it’s sarcasm, rock on. But if not, can you explain why a pitcher is good in one inning and bad in another? I’m not a bad driver on Tuesdays but a good driver on Wednesdays.
the mentality
might not be there for Rodney in a non pressure situation. Pitching is pretty different than driving a car. The leadoff man is good example.
Not to be disrespectful
But “mentality” is bullshit. Rodney is the same pitcher whatever spot you put him in. His career numbers in high leverage and low leverage are exactly the same. Even his ERA this year is now in line with what it was last year, when he was a closer. He just got lucky on where those runs were distributed last year.
Same thing with the lead-off guy. The #1 batter is only guaranteed to lead off an inning once per game. Just about anyone could be leading off the 4th, 5th, 6th inning, etc., and the job is always the same: get on base. There’s just no evidence that someone’s place in the batting order affects their performance, with the exception of players who might get pitched around because of the batter behind them.
Even Biggsy apologized yesterday for drinking the Koolaid.
He said that when F-Bomb was signed, that Soth and Butch wouldn’t tolerate the inconsistency. Biggsy admitted he was wrong on that.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
You need to stand in a batter's box or on a mound...
and then tell me that “mentality” is bullshit. Good try. These are humans, not robots.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 29, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
So a tied game in the 8th is a non-pressure situation?
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by snowhor on Jul 28, 2010 9:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I couldn't believe in the offseason how no one believe how bad Rodney really is.
People just focused on the Tony Reagins method of judging relief pitchers strictly by Save percentage and saw FernRod’s shiney numbers.
That and he was supposed to prevent Fuentes’ option from vesting. I never understood why this was supposed to be a good thing, replacing a mediocre reliever with a bad one.
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by snowhor on Jul 28, 2010 9:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I still don't think he's that bad.
he made a costly mistake yesterday. Turn the page.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 29, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
GOODBYE .500
we will see you again three games into the 2011 season
this is sad if we win 80 games the season will not be the worst i can be
if we win 60 the big A will be BURNED
"You dont need long hair to rip off your sleeves and be a badass" - J. Allen
pillaged for the beer first then burned
gosh man wasting all that goodness whats wrong with you
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
at night the rats come out
and the BIG A has lots of rats
"You dont need long hair to rip off your sleeves and be a badass" - J. Allen
leave Izzies familia alone
meanie head
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait....
How are we going to be .500 after 3 games of next season?
"You keep shooting. You hope it goes in, and you smile." -Teemu Selanne
We're going to go 2002 ASG and have a tie.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day
I see red people
by The Limey on Jul 28, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shield = old ; FRod = overpaid; Juan Rivera = just plain old suckage
Get some offense for crying out loud….even if it means bringing up “prospects” give a shot…a taste of real ball
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 4:42 PM PDT reply actions
I came to terms with this being a potential lost season pre-all star game
We just haven’t looked good offensively and defensively all year. The Texas series and this one is just showing us up.
You win some and you lose some, we’ll be stronger next year when we can clear some of the dead wood. Hopefully we get a chance to see Bourjos, Kohn, Conger for a little bit.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 28, 2010 4:44 PM PDT reply actions
The only reason we even scored in this game
was because of Reggie Willits and Bobby Wilson. They either drove in or scored every single run……. How sad is that. Guess our 4 MI approach isn’t working huh Tony?
Arte, get a real GM.
by MH252525 on Jul 28, 2010 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Flagged for your redundant opinions regarding our GM
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Jul 28, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
flagged for incompetent GM cocksuckery
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Jul 28, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
flagged back for being just as wrong as mh25
I think we know where one of your recs came from at least. The other was probably from a rangers fan.
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Jul 28, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
actually I didn't rec it
I almost never rec posts, but you don’t agree with the 4 MI offense being a bad idea?
It wouldnt be a bad idea if we had some Boppers to go with em.
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to pick on you or anything
But nearly every message you wrote during the game thread expressed your thoughts on Reagins. You’ve ‘made’ your point, you don’t need to keep saying it.
Bitch once and all of that.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 28, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
-1 for WTH is truthiness
common man you gotta be truthful
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I reluctantly concur
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Jul 28, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't you thank TR for bringing those guys through the system?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 28, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Combine
the overpayed, sucky bullpen and our corner OFs that have the range of the Halo garden gnome, yea I see why we’re a .500 team. Why the f*** are we putting guys like Rivera out there? Willis may not contribute that much with the bat, but seeing his plays, he actually shows he wants to win unlike Rivera.
We should
Fire Hatcher and sign Salmon as our new hitting coach. Butcher seems to be doing well with our pitchers for now.
Butcher seems to be doing well with our pitchers?
You mean minus the 8 or 9 suck ass pitchers who have spent time in our bullpen this year? Is it a coincidence that Bud Black’s Padres are one of the best pitching staffs in baseball now, and ours is one of the worst?
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Jul 28, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I think we'd be better off with
Willie Fraser.
Boom Boom Fraser!!!
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Jul 28, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
How about bringing back Dick Pole?
That way I can snicker every time the announcer says, “Dick Pole heading to the mound to speak with a member of his staff.”
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by snowhor on Jul 28, 2010 9:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
fire Hatcher??
you think this is his fault for the crappy hitting? what happened last year? he gets no credit but all the blame.
I wonder if sean o'sullivan can start in place of joel..
wait..whats that you say? we traded him for albeto callaspo? To give who a rest? Izturis? Frandsen? Wood?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Jul 28, 2010 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that really seems like a stupid trade now.
I just thought it was pointless at the time, but now it is actually detrimental.
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Jul 28, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
look at the bright side...
we have Callaspo
"I know Lackey...let's have a spelling contest."
by autry's cowboys on Jul 28, 2010 4:50 PM PDT reply actions
I've been trying to imagine
Tony Reagins, sitting down, thinking about whether to resign Oliver. He looks at Oliver’s stats, looks at the bullpen roster, and then, get this, decides NOT to sign him.
WTY's ERA+ = 135 : - / -- Kevin Frandsen > Brandon Wood??????
by Figgi4life on Jul 28, 2010 4:51 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Source?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Jul 28, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
*See, Make yourself feel better by making stuff up, page 29.
by Wally's World on Jul 28, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It was my understanding at the time
That Oliver wanted to retire or return to Texas. This stemming from the scam he unfortunately got involved in, and the fact that he lives in Texas. I am looking for sources where I heard this currently.
by linkbruin on Jul 28, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They always say stuff like that, but the question is , do they really mean it?
by Wally's World on Jul 28, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
he wouldn't mean it if we offered him more . . .
Especially if what you said about the money is correct. AND even still, that means there was no good reason not to offer him arb. We would have got another top 100 draft pick.
by Wally's World on Jul 28, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It's been cited here numerous times...
Darren Oliver was not going to play in Anaheim unless offered arbitration, which would have been overpaying. Now, in hindsight, it would have been better to overpay him as opposed to Rodney. If that’s the gripe, then so be it. We did not ‘let him get away’ as I keep hearing over and over and over.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 28, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would arbitration have necessarily overpaid?
He made $3.665 million in 2009. A 25% raise would have put him at about $4.5 million, which is less than what the Angels shelled out for Rodney. It’s more than what Texas signed him for ($3.5 million), but still less than what he’s worth.
You did the math for me...
$4.5M > $3.5M. Overpaid, he would have been. Hindsight is easy to point out here.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 29, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Yah seriously ^^
The logic to have not offered him arb is flawed. Face it, It was a big mistake.
by Wally's World on Jul 28, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It's been said here numerous times, never cited.
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by snowhor on Jul 28, 2010 9:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yes, it has... f&*k, I will go dig it up.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 29, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Darn...
I had something written twice, but too many presses of the “backspace” key screwed it up.
YOu are right. There is nothing.
I found a Bill Plunkett article from 12/2/09 saying that Reagins was aware that DO was going to play in 2010 and that the Angels were interested in signing DO. However, they felt that $5M (likely arb value) was too much. As it is, DO got a lower 2010 salary compared to 2009’s. I wonder what the Halos offered him? Must have been less than $3.5M, which is a SHAME.
We blew this one, big time.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 29, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Reagins saw that FRod had a boatload more Saves than DOliver.
Bill Bavasi taught him what to look for in relievers, Stoneman never did.
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by snowhor on Jul 28, 2010 9:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Stoneman had successes mixed in with his relief pitcher failures.
I’ll take the guy who gives us 3 good relievers for every 2 bad ones over the guy who gives us 0 good relievers for every relief pitching move he makes.
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by snowhor on Jul 29, 2010 8:51 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What happened to the group fellatio suckfest over Rodney just a couple months ago?
Somewhere, Fuentes is laughing his a$$ off. Rodney should be put out to pasture.
FREE SCOT SHIELDS
by PieceOfAase on Jul 28, 2010 4:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Kotchman could have closed
"I know Lackey...let's have a spelling contest."
by autry's cowboys on Jul 28, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Was wondering this same thing...
Very Anti the Collapso trade. We traded 2 pitchers for a player we already have 3 of…? WTF? Time to turn him around to Detroit or someone else.
WE NEED RELIEF PITCHING…not another worthless middle infielder. Why not let Wood play again for the rest of the season? We look pretty done to me.
Agreed give him a chance when there not in contention
Less pressure…rather then starting him in a position where the angels are in contention.
Maybe instead of “don’t suck or you’ll lose the season for us, and make the FO look bad”…the can say “If you suck, don’t worry the season is already lost, and the FO sucks ass” – He’ll do much better I must say
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought for sure Callaspo would be flipped in a day or two.
But here he is, right at home, not hitting with the best of them.
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Jul 28, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
That is a great idea! Let's put in players who are even worse and hit less than the current lineup!
by Wally's World on Jul 28, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not?
that is the real question
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
54/4. that is why not.
he has had his chance. he is the ultimate suckfest.
by Wally's World on Jul 28, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Your the Ultimate Suckfest!
haha sorry I got nothing else…
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Flashback to when I was like 12
since I am in a bad mood that was all that I could come up with
just wanted wood to be good thats all haha o well next in line please
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
lol, I wish he was good too.
I guess your right though on some level. Give him 2 weeks , all starts. One more final chance.
by Wally's World on Jul 28, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
There we go thats the spirit
but your probably right…. I just need to let go…there are more fish in the sea…good bye woody. goodbye.
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
who knows
with no pressure perhaps he’ll perform, adding some value so we can trade him in the offseason. right now he is worthless. if he plays and continues to suck its not like its costing us the playoffs, or hurting his value. basically he’s got nowehre to go but up…I hope.
by 2pintsofbooze on Jul 28, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Wood
after jerking him around the last 2 years, just release him? what would it hurt to just give him the last 2 months? i personally am holding out hope our season isn’t over but reality is reality, why not give him the last 2 months and see what we have. he’s had enough time rotting on the bench, lets see if he can turn it around.
you mean
when he went 5 for 5 in closing games for Fuentes?
from what I’ve heard/read, Rodney is good only when closing games. his numbers show the same. and yet, he is our 8th inning guy.
by 2pintsofbooze on Jul 28, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Really, why?
Fuentes is laughing his a$$ off.
Fuentes’ option for 2011 is predicated upon his finishing 55 games this season.
Thus far, he’s finished 25. Highly unlikely he’ll close out 30 more before the end of the season. An Angels team doing a first-rate impression of the Hindenburg landing at Lakehurst won’t provide the opportunities to close out games; what is happening now will cost Fuentes $9M in 2011 salary.
I’m not complaining, just explaining.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 28, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Good time to legalize weed?
just saying don’t even smoke it…but what the heck why not?
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 4:54 PM PDT reply actions
We need to win, then we light up the Halo.
by Wally's World on Jul 28, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
We've got find a way to get rid of either Abreu or Rivera.
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Jul 28, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
how about both
save some heartache and balls
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Oops, here's thel link:
http://twitter.com/lonestarball/status/19780045130
Years later, Clutch still needs to chill.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, #34.
by cardinalwraith on Jul 28, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, that is pretty funny! IMO :D
by K3YEROUT on Jul 28, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm amazed that they would even deign to taunt us anymore
As of today we’re no longer relevant.
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Jul 28, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It's always fun to beat on a dead horse
or a good man (or woman) when he (or she) is down.
How’s life treatin’ you these days?
Hey RA
Up until today’s season ending disaster, I was actually doing pretty good, thanks! I wasn’t planning on being online here at HH at all today, but the sudden mysterious appearance of Scot Shields as an emergency starter & all the various trade deadline rumors floating out there kept me glued to this place all day long while my work productivity turned to total crap. How are your cellulitis treatments coming along? Did you finally manage to get rid of it without losing any skin?
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Jul 28, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah they got his one.......
Congrats to them.
When they win a WS and 5 out of the last 6 Division Titles…….then I’ll be impressed.
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Who cares and why would you provide that link???
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 28, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow! How creative!
I mean, like, the thought process to imagine the Angles logo transposed onto a piece of toasted bread, and then, like, to have the skills to actually carry that out, I mean, like, wow. Boy, those crazy Texans! What will they come up with next?!
Derek Lee rejects trade to Angels per cbssports.com
Derrek Lee, 1B CHC
News: Cubs first baseman Derrek Lee has rejected a trade to the Angels, saying he prefers to finish the season with his team. Lee says he “really kind of agonized over” the decision, but that he decided the best thing for himself and his family was to stay in Chicago. The 34-year-old, who has a no-trade clause, also says he plans to play beyond this season and would like to do it with the Cubs. Cubs manager Lou Piniella says he was “very pleased” to hear that Lee was staying with the team.
Analysis: Lee would have been a coup for AL-only owners as a FAAB addition before the trade deadline. He is having a tough season, batting just .248 with 11 home runs and 44 RBI, but he is hitting .340 after the All-Star break. He is making up for a bad first half right now and is a solid start in mixed leagues again.
pwned
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Jul 28, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm assuming you made this Up?
if not can you please post link can’t find it anywhere?
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Not made up, I told you I got if off cbssports.com
I can’t post the link to my fantasy baseball site, but I cut/pasted the info and cited my source.
Are you kidding?
It was splashed in our faces during the game on TV, radio, and even on Yahoo Sports’ headlines just seconds after the game ended.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 28, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
he did us a favor!
thanks Derek! good luck in Chicago
by 2pintsofbooze on Jul 28, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
What is Tony Reagins thinking?
My God. Why would we even want this guy? I don’t get it.
Are we collecting old, useless losers?
I've got nothing.
by bc56274 on Jul 28, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually if we were in contention it wouldn't be that bad
Lee had a good second half last year (if I recall correctly) and could provide some much needed offense (pushing Napoli to DH or C, maybe forcing Mathis out.. if Scioscia deemed it).
Also, as most people are forgetting, if we didn’t offer him arbitration (which we wouldn’t do with Morales coming back) we could also get a couple of draft picks out of it. He’s a class B guy now, if he gets better he could push himself into class A status.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 28, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
but the key thing is in your fist sentence
we aren’t in contention.
so the question stands, wtf is Reagins doing?
by 2pintsofbooze on Jul 28, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Trying to give away every prospect we own
Just so we can suck for 10 years not just 1 :)
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We got Trumbo in the minors. 2nd in HRs and up top in RBI.
Why not give him a shot?
by Wally's World on Jul 28, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
all you ever here is too early
well thats freaking great…wait till our prospects is so stale he becomes a piece of wood…get it wood….okay ya bring him and burjos up already
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
In theory we were in contention 3 days ago
Derrek Lee said he’s been pondering the decision for a bit. I doubt the offer was made after todays game.
Nevertheless, the deal would still be interesting had he accepted. Even now, when we look out of it.
by TheQuestforMerlin on Jul 28, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, that's the point
It wasn’t that Reagins just found Hendry’s cell number and gave him a call. I am sure Reagins would have wanted Lee while the team was still in Arlington to give some offensive boost. The guy has hit much better since early July and gave signs of starting to heat up (though we can only speculate if his “heat” would be negated in the Lockeroom O’ Suckage in Anaheim).
As it was, Lee let Reagins off the hook by turning him down today, since I would imagine Reagins would have had to back out of negotiation after the play of the last week. No sense in giving anyone to the Cubs for the rental of a player to a team firmly stuck in Neutral.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 28, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Update on Lee timeline
From the story in LA Times:
According to a major league source, Lee vetoed the proposed trade seven to 10 days ago. The Angels then turned their sights to Kansas City, acquiring Royals third baseman Alberto Callaspo for two minor league pitchers on July 22.
Lee, 34, called the process "agonizing" and said he spoke to several friends on the Angels before making the decision.
Though he is building a house in Southern California, Lee decided that "for me and my family, the best thing to do is to stay here," he said. "That was the decision I made. Jim [Hendry, Cubs general manager] and I had good conversations about it. He’s been great about it."
Makes one wonder who on the team he spoke with and what they told him—how about, “we’re going down fast”.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 28, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
on yahoosports
he was quoted as saying he wants to continue playing for the cubs next year. wtf, why build a house out here if he wants to stay in chicago?
He must really like In and Out
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Jul 28, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
My guess
He was born in Sacramento. He might feel comfortable in his childhood home.
For whatever reason, he has felt very comfortable playing in front of Cubs fans and in Wrigley. He apparently gets along well with Pinella, but even though Pinella is gone at the end of this season it doesn’t mean Lee wants to leave as well.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 29, 2010 3:01 AM PDT up reply actions
At Least
One good thing happened today. Angels probably dodged a bullet with this one. I can’t imagine what they would have given up, but whoever or whatever would likely have had more value than Derrek Lee on a .500 team. With Pineiro going down for the next couple of months, the Angels need to either W6G or start preparing for 2011.
I'm just asking for a link...if there is one thats all thanks for the Info :)
I can understand the aspect of not wanting to move cause of special needs children….my nephew is the same and it would be hard to find doctors who know him and understand his needs
- kinda glad he not coming though don’t need him
I checked CBS Sports not on there unless it was a long time ago
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 5:07 PM PDT reply actions
There's a fanshot with a link. Go.
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Jul 28, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
why would he want to come here
we aren’t in contention, so might as well make the same amount of money and not uproot your family for 2 months of playing time.
there is literally no benefit for him by coming here.
by 2pintsofbooze on Jul 28, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
"previously charmed ERA normalized at a level commensurate to his skill, or rather, his lack thereof."
Nice one Rev. I was thinking exactly the same thing. The way I figure it, if Rodney walks the first two guys he faces, he deserve’s to lose.
There'll be no mistaking the Rev's next Halos writeup for anybody else's
I suspect it will be a fine blend of toxic, radioactive & bio-hazardous
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Jul 28, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
The plus side.
At least Pineiro didn’t earn a loss or no decision because of the sucky bullpen and lack of offense.
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
Time to DFA Shields?
Another Angels pitcher in tears soon?
by K3YEROUT on Jul 28, 2010 5:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No that would be to easy
Plus Sosh would cry
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jul 28, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck yeah
I don’t give a shit if he cries for 3 days that POS needs to be euthanized.
I took your stash.
"Who gives a s**t, it's gone"
"I know Lackey...let's have a spelling contest."
by autry's cowboys on Jul 28, 2010 5:11 PM PDT reply actions
Well...
This has been a magical season.
Good thing training camp starts this Friday.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
thank god derrek lee rejected that trade...
…And what the hell was the FO thinking in even inquiring about him? That tells me they were actually thinking we still have a shot at winning this year?!?! Which in turn leaves me with little faith in those who are paid to evaluate proffessional baseball players for our team. RIDICULOUS! Derrek Lee sucks!
by AlohaHalofan on Jul 28, 2010 5:43 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
this was before the Texas series this past week
if thats correct then i would have wanted him over Callaspo.
This season isn't officially "dead", pending the coroner's report.
But the corpse that is the 2010 season has no heartbeat, no pulse, and no brainwaves, and no amount of de-fibrillation is going to change it. But what the hell. Keep blasting with the de-fibrillator…dead men and dead teams feel no pain.
I'm not positive
But was that a fat lady I just heard singing somewhere?
by Raaddad on Jul 28, 2010 6:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL "Pitching depth"
“The Angels later announced they added a little bit of pitching depth when they signed ex-Pirate and Giants pitcher Ryan Vogelsong and assigned him to Triple-A Salt Lake. Vogelsong had been pitching for the Philadelphia Phillies Triple-A team before being released July 16.
Vogelsong was 10-22 with a 5.86 ERA in six seasons in the majors."
It's depressing catching myself already thinking about next season, but
then I think, "This is how the fans of most other teams feel EVERY YEAR. What is a fluke for us is a constancy for most fans (minus Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Twins, and maybe Dodgers fans).
Our owner is committed to winning. He already traded for Dan Haren, which was a show of good faith more than an attempt to make a push for the playoffs this year. After our dismal season in ’03, Arte went after Vlad and Colon. With a lot of money coming off the books, I have a feeling he will make a splash this off season.
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
I believe the salary structure is a lot tighter this coming season then it was after ‘03. I can’t imagine the Angels will be making an epic signings (in terms of signing a good player, I could see them doing another GMJ/Kazmir/Rodney of course).
by Dontbatvlad4th on Jul 28, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
lol if you voted for shields, you obviously didnt watch the game…. we were way in it until rodney loaded the bases only to have them promptly emptied….
In Kobe we trust!
by robi s on Jul 28, 2010 6:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Random Rudy quote: That apply applies.......
“We’ve had a hell of a goddamn run haven’t we?” – D-Bob
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2010 6:34 PM PDT reply actions
Im watching Dan Uggla just obliterate the Giants...
Really wish we had that guy.
.282 AVG 22 HR 64 RBI’s
Yeah……
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 28, 2010 6:38 PM PDT reply actions
The Shields demise really bums me out
There aren’t many Angel players I’ve loved over my time as a fan, but one of them has been Shields. I won’t easily forget just how many games this guy saved for the team, but it kills me to see him go out this way.
The only thing left for me this season, is to see the minor leaguers get brought up and hopefully get an early spring training (if you will) to prove themselves. Though I am now used to Soth and know it doesn’t matter what numbers any rookie puts up this season, he’ll still go back to the aging, slow-ass, phone-it-in players at the start of next season. The guys who have CLEARLY quit (just look at Ortiz going 1st-home yesterday, that’s when I know it was officially over).
My 2011 wishes: Rivera gone (somehow), Mathis gone (somehow), Hatcher/Butcher both sent to fight it out on Battle Royale island…and then shoot the winner, Abreu DH, young legs in the outfield and Torii in LF.
….Oh, and for the love of all that is holy, get Napoli regular playing time. Let’s go Rays and Padres :D
What's your take on the Vlad Guerrero resurgence...
Just asking.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 28, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
To be honest
I spewed my distaste for Vlad as a player on the Angels the last 2 seasons (though I loved him as a person, and gave him a standing O), I always told the Angels fans in my office that wherever he went, he would hit like he used to, and going to Arlington I am really not surprised. That’s not me backtracking for my username, that’s what I truly said and believed, I will still stand by 2 things regarding Vlad:
1. He should not have been batting 4th
2. He was no longer a good fit for the Angels (and the pressure of batting for them).
by Dontbatvlad4th on Jul 28, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
how does Abreu get all this love???
2009=great value signing
2010=we overpaid for an old freakin veteran that looks like its over for him.
we went into the season with Pitching depth
and leave the season with pitching death
"You dont need long hair to rip off your sleeves and be a badass" - J. Allen
shit sorry did not notice that
never meant anything related to NA
tryed to find a word that rhymed with depth
"You dont need long hair to rip off your sleeves and be a badass" - J. Allen
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