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As my signature line states, I am a fair weather fan. I feel no shame in admitting it and I have never taken offense when someone accuses me of it. To be honest, I have difficulty understanding the fan who year after year pours their heart and soul into a sports team that, for lack of a better term, sucks. Why there are any Chicago Cubs fans left in existence is beyond me.

I don't understand it. I have a brother in law who is a Cubs fan. He isn't from Chicago. Born and raised in Utah, I don't think he has ever been there. But still, year after year he roots for the Cubs and year after year they have a lousy team. Frankly I think he needs a psychiatrist. Maybe if he were from Chicago I might understand it, but even then, after you grow up and have a real life, how can you invest the time and effort into supporting a team that is no good?

Yesterday during the game thread I was called a "dick" and a "troll" for feeling this way. I was told that I am the reason "people don't respect Angeles fans." I am not going to loose any sleep over this but I am still curious about the sentiment.

I guess I have never felt like a professional sports franchise somehow deserves my support because--fill in the blank-my dad was a fan, I am from the city they are from, I liked them once and I am not allowed to stop liking them because of some unwritten sports fandom rule. This just doesn't compute for me but I know there are those who feel this way.

Being a fan of a particular team is like a religion to them. Once converted you aren't allowed to change and if you become converted when the team is good, you aren't really a fan until you stay liking them when they suck. I guess that's fine for those who need something to believe in. Hey it worked for Ben Wrightman in Fever Pitch. He sure seemed sane to me. (That was sarcasm just in case you are wondering.) But for me, I have a religion and it has nothing to do with sports.

I have been a fan of various sports franchises over the years. In 1968 I was eight years old when my family moved to the San Francisco Bay Area. We were from eastern Idaho so we didn't have much in the way of professional sports franchises to choose from before then. My dad started taking me to Giants games. I loved baseball and I loved Willy Mays and the San Francisco Giants.

But all good things come to an end.  Mays went to the Mets and the A's had their dynasty in the early seventies. My father hated the A's and, living in the East Bay, everyone else I knew, that is all my friends who where 12 and 13 years old were Oakland fans. I don't know if it was more an act of rebellion against my father or an effort to fit in with my buddies, but I became an A's fan too. What was there not to like. 5 division titles and 3 World Championships didn't hurt.

After the mid seventies, however, I started to loose interest in baseball. I was still an avid sports fan but I was a teenager. Cars, girls and playing sports took the place of watching professional sports. I was too busy to care what the A's were doing. This was prior to the availability of every game on TV and since I went to college out of state, I really could do little more than check the box scores in the local paper. Then came the strikes of 1981, 1985 and 1994 strikes. Eventually I stopped being a MLB fan altogether.

While at college, I became an avid fan of my own school's sports teams. I attended BYU from 1977 through 1984.   I am still an avid fan of BYU sports and I guess if you were to say I am a die hard fan of any sports teams, it would be the BYU Cougar teams. But that is because of my affiliation with the school.

Because I went to school with Steve Young, I became a San Francisco 49er Fan in the early 90s and when Danny Ainge, who was also at BYU when I was there, singed with the Celtics I became a Celtics fan. Now that Young and Ainge are retired, I no longer claim either team.

After I moved to Anaheim in 1989 I tried to get an interest in baseball again. My kids were getting old enough to enjoy going to the games and we lived right by Katella High School. Going to see an Angels game was easy. I taught Sunday School to Jaret Wright and knew Clyde and his wife Vicki. Clyde got me some great tickets and I went to several games that year but I just couldn't get into it. I went to several games over the next few years but just couldn't get excited about what I was seeing.

Then came the 2002 season. That's right, I became an Angels fan in 2002. Now before you all draw any conclusion let me say that the Angels winning was not the reason I became a fan. Winning was part of it, but if winning was the only criteria, I suppose I would have become a Reds fan in the late 70s or a Yankee fan in the 90s. It was more than the winning.

Even though I wasn't much of a baseball fan at the time, I liked to listen to games on the radio when at work. I work alone in an office and I go stir crazy without something other than music to listen to. Talk radio gets old so I would often listen to the Angels' or Dodgers' games when they were on in the afternoon or evenings when I was working late.

As you all know after their lousy start, the Angels started to win-and they would often do it coming from behind late in games. It was fun to listen to. This piqued my interest and I started to watch the games on TV with my wife in the evenings. We liked what we saw. We liked the way they played. I liked that there really weren't any super stars on the team but everyone contributed. I loved David Eckstein, Tim Salmon and Darin Erstad because I could point to them and tell my boys that they played the game right. I really liked Mike Scioscia and the way he handled the team. I became a fan.

I attended several games in 2002. I even flew up to Oakland with my son to catch a series there. In 03 and 04 we bought season tickets. We moved to Utah in the fall of 04 but my wife and I have watched almost every game they have played since that time. We usually fly down for at least 2 or 3 weekend series a year and have been to spring training twice. We are not casual fans. We have spent thousands of dollars supporting the Angels over the past eight years.

Now many think I am a bandwagon fan because I wasn't an Angels fan prior to 2002. I don't consider myself a bandwagon fan. I bandwagon fan is like my 12 year old neighbor who wears his Yankee hat and tells me the Angels suck but when I ask him who the Yankees' lead off hitter is he still says "Johnny Damon." I know who is on the Angels' 25 and 40 man rosters, I know who their top prospects are and I will take the time to go watch their rookie league and AAA teams play in Orem and Salt Lake. My wife has a shrine dedicated to the 2002 team on her office wall and I am afraid that if Tim Salmon was single she would have left me long ago to go pursue him. Heck, I might have left her to pursue him. But, Tim Salmon is no longer playing. The 2002 team that we loved is gone.

As a fair weather fan the Angels need to keep me interested. When Steve Young retired, I tried to stay interested in the 49ers but they began to suck. They were no longer fun to watch. I have too many other things that I am interested in to spend time following a bad football team so I ended up giving up on them and the NFL altogether. Same with the Celtics and the NBA. Does that make me a bad fan? Although some of you may think so, I think that makes me normal.

The Angels have done a good job of keeping me interested for eight years now but as I said yesterday, I really don't have a desire to keep up the level of excitement I have had in years past. The way this team has played this year is uninspiring. There is no spark or chemistry to hold my interest. It is not just the losing, it is the way they are losing.

In addition, you become a fan of players. I still am an Eckstein fan. I still check the box scores to see how Kotchman or GA did. I still am hoping that McPherson makes it in the big leagues. I want to see Abar, Kendrick, Napoli, Weaver, Santana and even Brandon Wood play and succeed because I take great pleasure seeing the home grown talent develop into major league talent. But the group of players that makes up most of the roster just doesn't do it for me.

The bottom line is that as a fair weather fan, I am not going to spend my days or evenings worrying about or watching a team that has no heart. I will still turn on a game once in a while and I will still follow the scores but unless they entertain me, hold my passion, I'm sorry I have better things to do with my time and money. I guess the difference between me as a fair weather fan and those of you who call yourselves diehard fans is that I believe that a team needs to earn their fans support year in and year out and you diehards think that they should get it no matter what. So be it.

For now, they are losing me. Little by little my desire to watch and to care is waning. I hope that the front office and management can put together a team next year that plays what I have come to love as "Angels Baseball" with superb defense, good base running, frenzy and timely hitting, solid starting pitching and a lights out bullpen. As we all know, they don't have it this year. I get as excited for a Matsui at bat as I do for a trip to the dentist. I miss Vlad's big grin, Eckstein's pesky 12 pitch at bats and Erstad running into walls in center field. I know that we can't rewind the clock and have all that back, but what has replaced it just doesn't cut the mustard.

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I respect the time and effort you put into writing this essay

I for one will be just as passionate about this team whether we lose 100 games or win 100 games. I guess I can’t help it. It is just who I am. From the second I first stepped foot into the Big A until the day I die I’ll be reveling in every victory and be agonized over every defeat.

Torii Hunter has some Brain Movage

by ryanfea on Jul 29, 2010 9:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Go Utes!

(Sorry, I had to say that. It was in the contract with the devil that I signed to get my scholarship to the U.)

by cath619 on Jul 29, 2010 9:08 PM PDT reply actions  

A Utah man am I!!!

Cool to see another fellow Ute alum on HH.

And BYU has some of the biggest fair weather fans in the nation, so I am not surprised at this post. To be fair, the University of Utah has a lot of fair weather fans as well. In fact, I think the front-runner syndrome is more of an acute state-wide condition. Maybe it’s due to an excess intake of jello and ice cream…

Anyway, all jokes aside; to each their own. See you when we’re good again, Halo84653.

by Big Easy Halofan on Jul 30, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Front-Runner

You know they finally built that, right? Ogden to SLC rail line.

by cath619 on Jul 30, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just Red Sox fans

ride it

NA, #34 SP, LAA
Light up the Halo for Nick!

More Howie please...

by hk47 on Jul 31, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

The U?

You attended the University of Miami?

44fan claims that it is a fact Vlad will get hurt. Here is to your "borrowed time" Vlad. You were, are, and will be the man Vlad.

by hauldog on Aug 3, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good one

44fan claims that it is a fact Vlad will get hurt. Here is to your "borrowed time" Vlad. You were, are, and will be the man Vlad.

by hauldog on Aug 3, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Umm what?

Here’s a story from 1912 with Utah calling themselves the U. This is 13 years before Miami was even opened.

And the Block U was built in 1907, 18 years before Miami opened.

by linkbruin on Aug 3, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am glad they call themselves that.

In the world of sport there is only one “The U”

44fan claims that it is a fact Vlad will get hurt. Here is to your "borrowed time" Vlad. You were, are, and will be the man Vlad.

by hauldog on Aug 3, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

"The Cellblock U"

I’ll agree with that. I’m not a Utah fan, but saying Miami is the only “the U,” or was the first “the U” is disingenuous.

Besides from 2004 on, Utah has been more relevant in college sports than Miami.

by linkbruin on Aug 3, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

One calls themselves that. the athletes calls the other "The U"

I’ll go with the one that ESPN did a documentary on. I’ll go with the one the athletes call “The U”

44fan claims that it is a fact Vlad will get hurt. Here is to your "borrowed time" Vlad. You were, are, and will be the man Vlad.

by hauldog on Aug 4, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Emboldens?

Is one not allowed to disagree with someone in your little click?

44fan claims that it is a fact Vlad will get hurt. Here is to your "borrowed time" Vlad. You were, are, and will be the man Vlad.

by hauldog on Aug 5, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can disagree with anyone at any time.

I just found it odd that you should nitpick with someone about how they reference their own university. I mean, she went to school there, so she’s probably well aware of how to reference it. But, ‘click’? I didn’t attend that university (University of Maryland right here. That’s right, don’t mess with the Terps!)

Sorry for the bitchyness- it’s all good.

by agent_99 on Aug 5, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wondered if you'd bite ('member that?)

I too thought it was kind of silly to nitpick about how I refer to my alma mater the way it refers to itself. I mean, to me that’s like saying Oregon State University shouldn’t call itself OSU because everyone who’s anyone knows that Ohio State is the only OSU that matters (or something. I don’t follow collegiate sports much).

I always assumed it was shortened to “The U.” because “The U. of U.” just sounds dumb.

@Hauldog: Out of curiosity, why do you care so much? Did you go to The Other U? Congratulations on your team’s ESPN documentary superiority.

by cath619 on Aug 5, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got yer back!

I have to, right? I mean, we’re in a ‘click’ ’n all. ;)

by agent_99 on Aug 5, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

The HH chick click?

Emboldened – that’s how we roll!

by cath619 on Aug 5, 2010 3:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hate to be a spoilsport, but that's "clique".

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Aug 5, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

shhhh...

We’re nerds, we know. It’s funnier this way.

by cath619 on Aug 5, 2010 3:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was a nerd as a kid (still am)...

In fact, I was an Ubernerd. But only recently did I realize that I was the ALPHA Nerd.

An old High school friend reminded me of the time that he and some buddies made the “pilgrimage” to my Jr. HS to get a copy of a computer program I was owner/custodian of.

That’s Alpha Nerd stuff.

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Aug 5, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alpha Nerd

What a concept! The mind boggles. . .

by rspencer on Aug 6, 2010 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

ESPN also did a documentary on Pablo Escobar

We should probably call him “the U” as well.

by linkbruin on Aug 5, 2010 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure that is applicable.

44fan claims that it is a fact Vlad will get hurt. Here is to your "borrowed time" Vlad. You were, are, and will be the man Vlad.

by hauldog on Aug 5, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

i know a couple of athletes who call Utah "The U." Alex Smith? Andrew Bogut?

No. 1 picks in the 2005 NFL and NBA drafts, respectively. But they must not count, of course. If guys aren’t on ESPN, they can’t possibly count.

by cath619 on Aug 5, 2010 3:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Actually I really doubt they do.

44fan claims that it is a fact Vlad will get hurt. Here is to your "borrowed time" Vlad. You were, are, and will be the man Vlad.

by hauldog on Aug 5, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least via sports outlets

44fan claims that it is a fact Vlad will get hurt. Here is to your "borrowed time" Vlad. You were, are, and will be the man Vlad.

by hauldog on Aug 5, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually,

you really doubt they call it The U? Or you really doubt that they count?

by cath619 on Aug 6, 2010 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

A little of both

I doubt they refer to it as “The U” to sports outlets. They are both kinda piss poor athletes. I am a Niners fan I should know.

44fan claims that it is a fact Vlad will get hurt. Here is to your "borrowed time" Vlad. You were, are, and will be the man Vlad.

by hauldog on Aug 7, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fair-weather fans don't write a 15,000 word essay on their psychological disorder

This isn’t therapy. Lone Star Ball is -—————————→

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Jul 29, 2010 9:23 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

There's "fair weather" but there's also common sense.

At some point in my 20’s I realized it’s really stupid to get so emotionally invested in sports that it can ruin your day. It sucks when your team sucks (and especially if you think they’re giving a half-assed effort) but it really has nothing to do with me. The team isn’t a reflection of me. I have nothing to do with how the team does. When they’re good, it’s not because I’m a good/smart baseball fan, and when they’re bad it’s not because of me either. This is why the whole idea of people wasting time talking smack to each other on the internet makes no sense to me.

When the team sucks, it makes sense to spend less time/money watching them. Invest that time and money on your family. And don’t worry so much about the team whose success or failure has nothing to do with you. These next couple months should be rough, but I’ll still be pumped for spring training.

This whole pro sports thing is entertainment. It exists to be fun.

by Robviously on Jul 29, 2010 9:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Its weird, though

because even if a team is losing, I can usually find good stuff to find in the team that still makes it fun. Like watching the bench players and prospects do well…or that one awesome game out of 10.

dissenter, dubious and devil's advocate to blog monitors everywhere.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jul 30, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

I’m looking forward to seeing Conger, Bourjos, and Trumbo this year. (Unless we make some manic comeback, which would also be great.)

by Robviously on Jul 31, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Common sense has no place in fandom

I have been in a FOUL MOOD lately, precisely because of the Angels. I can’t help it; I’m just wired that way. It’s part of who I am. The happiest day of my life was my wedding day; my second happiest was October 27, 2002.

When we got home after the Angels won the World Series, our answering machine and e-mail inbox were filled with congratulations from friends and relatives who had watched me bleed Angel red in futility for many, many years. They saw it as a personal triumph for me; they all understood what it is to be a fan.

For you, sports is entertainment, and that’s great. It’s people like you who pay the bills for people like me.

by rspencer on Jul 31, 2010 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

About suffering

I grew up in Buffalo, NY. Aside from the Angels, my two favorite sports teams are the Buffalo Bills and Buffalo Sabres. Up to 2002, my entire life as a sports fan was nothing but disappointment, anger, humiliation, futility, and anxiety. I know as much about suffering with my teams as anyone. The day the Angels won the World Series was a huge day for me as well, because it washed all of that way. One of my teams finally won and I could finally just enjoy sports like a normal person.

If the Angels don’t win this year, I’m not going to quit on them, I’m just going to not lose my mind. Because there’s absolutely nothing noble about being depressed or acting like an angry lunatic because your sports team fails. I’ve seen tons of fights after games in Buffalo because people were in a bad mood. I read the Bill Simmons articles about Red Sox fans acting like their lives are over when they can’t beat the Yankees. In retrospect, how is this a good thing at all? What purpose does this serve? And why are people so proud to say how miserable sports can make them?

I love the Angels, and I love baseball, and I love sports. But I’m in it for the fun. Life is way too short to add a bunch of misery that has nothing to do with you. Even if the team sucks, you might as well just enjoy that and wait for the AAA players to debut.

by Robviously on Jul 31, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Non-responsive

I said nothing about “suffering”, and I didn’t attack you at all. I merely offered counterpoint to your description of your coping mechanism.

by rspencer on Jul 31, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do completely appreciate your point

All my bad sports memories made 2002 a lot more special. I don’t know if it would have been had my teams just been winning championships regularly since I was a little kid.

I was just trying to explain my own point better than I did the first time around.

by Robviously on Jul 31, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I yours

especially as explained further. I was just trying to say that I have found from long experience that my Angel fandom lives in a place in my disordered mind far from the reach of rationality. I suppose that’s to be expected considering that my fanhood took deep root in the early Seventies. As you say, even with a poor team there is much to occupy one’s interest.

But yeah, there is nothing noble in luxuriating in misery over a team’s poor play, nothing that makes one a more credible or passionate fan. When I said “bleed Angel red” I simply meant sticking with the team through the ups and downs of many long seasons.

As far as suffering goes, I try to follow Rex Hudler’s rule: chew over a loss for a half-hour, then let it go. It’s just that a sustained string of losses tends to have a cumulative effect, and postseasons that end badly tend to stick in my craw for a loooong time.

If I had a more disciplined mind, I would take things much more like you do.

by rspencer on Aug 1, 2010 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had an operation on my craw

Had some Teflon coating applied. It was costly, but things don’t stick there as much as they used to.

"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason

by George Kaplan on Aug 1, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh

You reminded me of the old Get Smart episode with the bad guy called “The Claw”. He had a stereotypical Chinese accent, so he pronounced it “The Craw.” Max kept calling him that, and The Claw would respond, “Not ‘The Craw’—‘The Craw’!!”

Anyway, so did you have an ear, nose and throat man do that, or a cosmetic dentist? Because I’ve got a great number of things sticking in my craw these past few years, and I could sure use that operation m’se’f.

by rspencer on Aug 1, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

My favorite Get Smart line!!!!

Followed only by: “Starker! This is KAOS!!! Ve don’t pbbbbbhhht! here!”

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Aug 1, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's funny

I recalled the same thing myself, and was thinking that no way could that joke be used in 2010 without Asian groups picketing NBC (in this case).

"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason

by George Kaplan on Aug 1, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

My favorite

It was a long-winded sequence with Larrabee (at the time he had lines beyond “OK, Chief” and was set up as a foil to be even stupider than Max), offering Max to stay at his (Larrabee’s) house, but with the caveat “as long as you don’t mind the sand.” and then proceeds to leave the Chief’s office.

The Chief says “Hold it right there, Larrabee. You’re not leaving until you explain what you mean.”

Larrabee goes into an explanation about how he and his wife were thinking of moving to the beach, but they decided to dump sand in the house to live with it for awhile and see how it felt first.

Chief shakes his head slowly and dismisses Larrabee. He starts to leave and then steps back to Max for a parting comment:

“I don’t know if this makes any difference, but we decided against moving to the beach. Too much sand.”

Larrabee leaves and the Chief looks at him ruefully as he leaves. Chief says to Max, “You know, Max, sometimes I wonder if you and Larrabee are related.”

“You’re the 3rd person to say that to me this week!” says Max.

"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason

by George Kaplan on Aug 1, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

second that

I too am a Bills fan and went through the four straight Super Bowl losses. Add on top of that the Homerun throwback. I went through the same emotions that you did. Even earlier in 2002 I saw my NBA team the Kings lose a heartbreaker to the Lakers in the conference finals. I remember watching Game 6 with the Angels down 5-0 and thinking “well at least they got this far” as I was accustomed to my teams falling in the big game. But the Angels won that game and game 7 and I remember just being escatic about it. I was on cloud 9 for several days. Finally one of my teams won it all and now I can die in peace (well almost).

I too stopped getting too emotionally involved with my team. Yes playoff losses hurt but then you start looking towards next season. Even if my team is having a bad season, I always look forward to the future. I think sometimes its hard when you are surrounded by fans of winners (be it Yankees, Lakers, Patriots, etc) who have experienced the ultimate feeling (sometimes multiple times).

The Angels most likely not making the playoffs this year stinks but I know the team will improve and be back like they have in the past. Suffer through now for a greater reward later.

by hebes31 on Aug 5, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ever since i could comprehend baseball

i have been following the angels and dodgers, as i grew older i followed the former more intently than the latter. unless this team moves out of state, ill always watch them regardless of their ups and downs.

" With Haren bolstering the lineup, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter

by Halos2011champs on Jul 29, 2010 10:11 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Nice essay. I appreciate your perspective.

   There are many types of fans . . . I mean heck, I am not a Braves fan, but growing up with TBS and WGN, I watched a lot of Braves games, and was happy when they succeeded. (I like the tomahawk chop btw), When the Kings got Gretzky I became a Kings fan, not so much anymore. Ducks are cool, . . . but yah, it sucks when the team is playing like they are. I don;‘t bother to listen as much, but it doesn’t mean I am any less a fan. Like you said, I got my life to live. After driving 6 hours to Oaktown to watch the team suck balls and get hammered 15-1, and then play like shit and lose 5-2, I am not as stoked (and now even less). I don;t like old rich farts that lollygag. They don’t deserve my time.

by Wally's World on Jul 29, 2010 10:15 PM PDT reply actions  

booyakashaka!

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Jul 30, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

daaaaaaaaaaaamn.

u win.

dissenter, dubious and devil's advocate to blog monitors everywhere.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jul 30, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great Job "Link"

The Smarter I get, the More I Have To Learn

by Hapyorange on Jul 30, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess it all comes down to values. In my personal hierarchy of what is important there is God, family, church, country, health, job, and then a whole lot of things that don't really matter that much.

I ask myself everyday, am I investing my time and energy into the things that are really important and Angels Baseball is nowhere near the top of that list. Spectator sports are entertainment, nothing more. Anyone who feels otherwise is deluding themselves. A pro sports franchise deserves no special loyalty. It is like a vendor I may use in my business, I will be loyal to him as long as he is loyal to me by providing me with a quality product at a fair price and you are right. I will dump a vendor who jilts me just like a pro sports franchise. To do otherwise is just dumb.

I am a fair weather fan so the Angels better win!

by Halo84653 on Jul 30, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

You may be interested in this fanshot and the linked article within

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When you really think about it, sports have always had sort of a religious element to them. Both sports and religion seem to pull at an element of the human psyche that is common to us all. They have more in common than you think.

"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter

by Commander_Nate on Jul 30, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you're suggesting that myself or others put loyalty to a sports franchise before all the values you listed

Then you are deluding yourself. I’m not sure why you think sticking with a team year-in and year-out requires this super dedication that borders on insanity.

I see you trying to take the values high road here, but you don’t get that either. I don’t sacrifice my values by being loyal to a team; if anything, I keep in more in the line with them.

Your vendor analogy is poor as well; it’s the reason most people have 2 or 3 restaurants they always go to, and it’s the reason there’s such a thing as brand loyalty. But you’re right…people are dumb.

I really have no desire to further argue this with an individual who thumbs their nose down at people that get emotionally invested in forms of entertainment…

Oh wait that’s everyone.

by linkbruin on Jul 30, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I definitely put the Angels before God, Church and almost all of my family...

Life is great.

dissenter, dubious and devil's advocate to blog monitors everywhere.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jul 30, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh man, you lost me with God...

No wonder you’re a fair-weather fan.

dissenter, dubious and devil's advocate to blog monitors everywhere.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jul 30, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice

Torii Hunter has some Brain Movage

by ryanfea on Jul 30, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I spent 2 whole seasons in Iraq....

The Halos gave me something to look forward to. Arte is a Vet in his own right, and that is just one more reason to follow him every year. I also am a religious person who loves going to church, again another thing that helped me wake up in the morning and put my boots back on.

In my personal opnion you are the one with issues…. being a “fair weather fan” you are nothing close to a fan. You may be a sports fan with no favorite team, as I am with the NFL. However, you can’t be an Angeles fan when you feel like it.

With that said thank you for your money, if you attended games. Thank you for helping the T.V ratings when you watched.

Now get the hell off this site you make me sick!

"F@&* it, lets pitch"
-Ervin Santana

by pendletonmike on Aug 10, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahh, the poor hot girls I knew in high school and college

Sad really, what’s happened to some of them. ;)

"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter

by Commander_Nate on Jul 30, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

When I met my wife she was fun to be with

She cared about me and took an interest in my needs. Making me happy was the most important thing in her life. She worked hard at it. In return, I did the same for her. I gave her my all. But then, through no fault of my own, she stooped trying. She began to act like a bitch and treat me like dirt. I continued to try to make it work but she had stopped trying. Eventually I realized I was never going to be happy with her again so I kicked her to the curb and moved on to better things.

I am a fair weather fan so the Angels better win!

by Halo84653 on Jul 30, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

somehow

you made this board even more depressing

by 2pintsofbooze on Jul 30, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought his wife was a member here ...

Bummer. Hope you (Halo84653) can turn it around through counseling. Maybe you can ask the shrink about what it means to be a fanatic about sports.

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Jul 30, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

You gave her your all???

What exactly have you done for the Angels? According to your pathetic life story above, you followed the team for a few years, went to some games, and checked out spring training. As Joe Biden said, big fucking deal. If you are ready to drop the team after such a short period of time just because they don’t figure to win a division title for the fourth consecutive year, then there is no metric by which you can call yourself a fan. So go, find another team, no one here or anywhere associated with the Angels will miss you.

by Brody on Jul 30, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Torii Hunter has some Brain Movage

by ryanfea on Jul 30, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

THIS JUST IN:

The Angels suck, so it is time for you to become a Yankee fan.

See you next season.

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Jul 30, 2010 9:05 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

this.

however, the OP must either have no soul or is a troll, so, rationalizing with it is pointless.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Jul 30, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right

As Stirrups suggested, the payoff for the emotional investment is sublime.

I want to feel that feeling again, how I felt on October 27, 2002. Desperately.

by Higz on Jul 30, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

black tar heroin and hookers

gets pretty close.. if you’re so inclined.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Jul 30, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

But my mom would TOTALLY ground me

by Higz on Jul 30, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen

My days as an Angel fan began when I was a very, very young lad in 1962.

I have suffered plenty over those years. This season is a disappointment, but nothing to gnash teeth over.

I think some of the more recent additions to the bandwagon, who first noticed the team in 2002, need to get some perspective. The team I followed was, for many years, the Pittsburgh Pirates of its day—and the Pirates were then the Angels of their day. We had countless “rebuilding years”, far too many seasons when we were mathematically eliminated during Spring Training. And there was far less margin for error as well, since before divisions were created, a team either won the AL or it didn’t—there was no playoff system, just two pennant champs going into the Series.

This is a speed bump, a minor disappointment. It means little in the great scheme of things, except to make us feel better next year, when we’re settling in before the TV to watch the Angels Game 1 of the 2011 Series.

"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason

by George Kaplan on Jul 31, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can you suggest a good psychiatrist?

I’m a lifelong Angels fan. I’m from Virginia and have no ties to southern California. Clearly, I have a mental illness.

by RICangelfan on Jul 30, 2010 10:42 AM PDT reply actions  

"Lifelong" as in, say, ever since 2002 when the Halos signed Saunders out of Va Tech?

Of was that merely a glorious moment if synergy for you?

"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."

by Stirrups on Jul 30, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am. Sincerely.

It would be very interesting to learn why somebody from Virginia would have found an affinity for the Halos way before the WS title, if indeed that is what happened. The 80’s maybe, since Autry was buying a lot of nationally known names. 60’s or 70’s when the only news was a 2 line recap and a box score in the local paper? Even getting info in the 90’s required a significant level of effort. What would have been the draw worthy of that level of commitment, and ignoring closer, more successful (if not more interesting) teams?

"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."

by Stirrups on Jul 30, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

it’s definitely interesting to hear everyone’s “How I became an Angels fan” stories, especially from people who don’t have obvious connections. (Apologies for my immediate assumption of supersarcasm.)

by cath619 on Jul 30, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't aligned to an nfl team until...

joe flacco signed with the ravens (i went to U of DE), and will be a fan of whatever team he is on.

by Halos in DE on Jul 30, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no problem

with this Fan Post.

I would actually hazard a guess that he is not the only person here that feels that way. He may just be the only one to put it into words.

I think everybody has a certain level of frustration with the way we have played this year. And yes, I used “we” as I’m sure most of us have done at some point when talking about the Angels.

If the Angels continue to struggle and do not get back into the division race, I will probally start to shift my focus to the start of the college and NFL seasons and rooting for my Buckeyes and Browns, earlier then I have the past few seasons when we knew that we were going to the playoffs.

We're putting the band back togehter.

by billhune on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I am sure most people will follow suit.

Which will make getting field level infield seats all the easier, and more affordable, for folks like me. And I will thank you.

"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."

by Stirrups on Jul 30, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is not what he is talking about

Shifting your focus to another sport when the season is winding down is one thing. Picking up another team because your’s now sucks and to follow them would be crazy is entirely another.

by linkbruin on Jul 30, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Precisely

You don’t see me becoming a Padres fan, and they’re right over there…so…close…must resist…

"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter

by Commander_Nate on Jul 30, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know!

They’ve always been my “well, I have to like an NL team? I guess it’s them” team. I’m from there, they have Eck, I went to sixth-grade camp with Gwynn, Jr. What’s not to love, right?

And yet. It feels disingenuous in some way. But it’s really, really tempting.

by cath619 on Jul 30, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know

That’s not what he is talking about. I was just saying what I will do if we don’t get back in the race. And I don’t think he has said he is changing teams yet. Previous history shows that he might change teams, although he hasn’t said anything about doing that yet.

We're putting the band back togehter.

by billhune on Jul 31, 2010 5:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I actually liked this fan post.

I think it’s a big reality check. You can’t let your love for a team, any team, become so obsessive that it encroaches upon ‘real life’, that is, your family, your work, your friends, and all the other important parts of your life. As I write this I am sitting at my desk at work, supposedly "working’, communicating via the internet to people I don’t even know. Have I crossed that line of fandom? Maybe. I think it makes a big difference if you love baseball first, because it allows you to continue following a team even when they are doing poorly.

For me, I do love baseball, and following the Angels makes me feel like I am keeping up a connection with my dad, who passed away 2 years ago, and that means so much more to me than any championship could.

by agent_99 on Jul 30, 2010 1:26 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

That second part is really cool. * Hugs * to you, Mrs. 99. :)

by cath619 on Jul 30, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right, but the obsession issue can apply to a lot of things

Drugs, alcohol, sex and the like are what people commonly think of but they can also apply to things like work, religion, etc that don’t often get mentioned. As with most things, balance and good sense are important.

"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter

by Commander_Nate on Jul 30, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

This fanpost is not a reality check

This misses the point. Although it would be perverse to adjust your family and life priorities based on whether a sports team was doing well or poorly, that is not the question at issue here. No one is suggesting that baseball should come before family. The question is whether you should abandon your favorite team — in favor of a new “favorite” team — based on how the team performs. We can conclude from the original poster’s track record that he will still like baseball no matter what happens this season. The only difference between him and everyone else is that he will stop rooting for the Angels if they fail to win a World Series or at least a division title.

by Brody on Jul 30, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so, Brody

I think that what Halo84653 is saying, is there isn’t a reason to be so invested in this team right now. And he’s adjusting his life accordingly. I actually see what he is saying. I don’t think he has any intention of switching allegiances.

I think this FanPost is actually really interesting commentary on the current state of the team.

Being a “fan” means adjusting your life and your personal investment as you see fit. Halo84653 thinks there is little reason to watch every day right now, and frankly it’s hard to disagree with that sentiment. I feel the same way.

NA, #34 SP, LAA
Light up the Halo for Nick!

More Howie please...

by hk47 on Jul 31, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm from Delaware

always have been an Angels fan (I’m 23) – and was a fan before the movie (hate being asked that question whenever i tell someone that). probably because the first game i remembered going to was an angels – orioles game and my dad and brother were orioles fans, so I wanted to be a dick and root against their team. and guess what, i was a huge fan then, going to card stores and buying any angels cards i could find (or even an angel in the picture, for instance a card of a random second basemen, but with an angel sliding into the base). i gobbled up anything with the Angels logo I could get my hands on – calling them and begging them for anything, fake wanting tickets so i could get something.

well guess what, i grew up, realized that being that type of fan was ridiculous and started being rational (okay somewhat). when the angels were losing it was like a badge of honor, people looked at you and sympathized. since they started winning, it has been really fantastic, but not like before. granted it probably has more to do with maturing and realizing that i didn’t have to be “that” guy – ironically i remember it happening in 2002 (i didn’t bounce off the walls when they won – but i was still really happy).

do i still want to work for the Angels, yes – which will be my retirement job when my future wife kicks me out of the house, lol.

by Halos in DE on Jul 30, 2010 3:21 PM PDT reply actions  

The Angels are like a best friend to me.

when I moved from Anaheim to San Francisco I was extremely homesick and I hated this foggy city. I also could no longer go to games regularly or even watch them on TV.

For first few years I watched every single game I could on espn gamecast on a small computer screen. I could almost feel the summer heat of the big A while watching those damn yellow dots move around the diamond. It was in a way, my connection to home.

Nevertheless, my emotional connection to this organization was forever forged those bleak couple of years and I’ve never looked back, I also still live here in SF.

I hope all the people that get to attend games and watch them live never take it for granted because some of us out there would love that privilege. Even if we lose the rest of our games I’m going to continue to tune in and root for my guys. I’m happy to be a Halos fan and will take the good with the bad and always be proud to rock my red hat throughout the bay area. It’s unfortunate some ‘fans’ don’t share the same sentiment.

W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.

by RexTookMyStash on Jul 30, 2010 3:31 PM PDT reply actions  

So...

… Who’s the next team gonna be? Yanks? Rays? Phillies? The Rangers would be a good one. They look awesome this year. They have a blog too, its called Lone Star Ball. You should go join in the fun that is the 2010 season. Take this fanpost with you and share with all the hicks how you became a Rangers fan. See what they think… Hell you they could win the world series this year! How exciting would that be for you?!?!

by AlohaHalofan on Jul 30, 2010 3:53 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Meh...

I’m a life long Angels fan, but I have no problem with bandwagon or fair weather fans. They’re just a part of the game. That being said, I also recognize that some people are more loyal to their teams than they are their spouses. I don’t get that. They’d never leave their team, but their spouse? Sure… Whatever. Just for the record, I’m not leaving either.

I can’t get too worked up over someone who has lost interest in the team. That’s their pergoative. There’s plenty of things to keep a baseball fan interested in a team that goes beyond just winning – but you would reall have to love baseball to understand that.

BTW… I’m constantly telling friends/co-workers who are Dodger fans that they should switch… Could anyone really blame them given everything McCourt has put them through? Just saying.

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by True Grich on Jul 30, 2010 4:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I think some people are fans and some people arent... for me, its just a part of who I am.

I have a picture of me in an angels uniform when I was 2. I have been going to games since I was born in 1982 and I have never considered another team my own.

I remember the horrible collapse that was 1995… sitting with my dad and grandpa watching the games and how frustrated we were with the team.

I remember the awful teams that were on the field for the late 80s and 90’s and the hope I had when mo vaughn came to anaheim… and the disappointment when I watched his tub-o-lard self fall into the dugout.

I remember Tim Salmon- Rookie of the Year, greatest angel ever and genuinely nice guy.

I remember taking a van full of friends to the stadium in high school and walking up on friday night to buy tickets and getting to choose seats anywhere we wanted because the stadium was always empty.

I remember the 2002 season, and the 2002 playoffs, it was magical. That team simply would not quit.

We have been very lucky to have such a good run over the last 10 years. I get that some people will stop following the team if they dont win the division each year, that’s okay. You can never have the same pride when the team does win that a true fan has.

You can fly a banner when they are winning and wear a jersey when times are good, but until the team is really a part of your family- a place where you teach your kids about sportsmanship and other life lessons, a place that is like a second home, and a place your familiy can identify with- you can never really understand what the team means to real fans.

Real fans exist when a team is losing.

by Balls and Strikes on Jul 30, 2010 4:30 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I remember the Maine

W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.

by RexTookMyStash on Jul 30, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aside from my inane comment...

Great post. Amen brotha.

W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.

by RexTookMyStash on Jul 30, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

HH wish list item

We need an un-rec button

W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.

by RexTookMyStash on Jul 30, 2010 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

What is so interesting about most of the replies to my post is how angry it makes some of you that I view baseball as nothing more than entertainment.

Wow!

I have no plans to become a fan of any new team. If you read my post your would realize that it wasn’t just winning that made me a fan of the Angels and I don’t see another team catching my interest the way the Angeles did. I will never be a Yankee fan but I doubt I will watch every Angeles’ game the rest of the year like I have for the past eight years.

It’s like I joined your church and now that I don’t want to come every Sunday you are calling me to repentance. I am still interested in what the team does. I am particularly interested in what the young home grown talent does and that will not change. I didn’t abandon the team in 2003 or 2006 and even if they don’t win this year, if they start playing like they give a damn I will stick with them. It’s just right now I get disgusted watching them.

At any rate, to those of you who are angry because of the way I feel, I don’t get it. But so be it. I really don’t care that much. I think I said what most people, maybe not those who post here, but most other people think.

I am a fair weather fan so the Angels better win!

by Halo84653 on Jul 30, 2010 4:44 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

i dont think anyone is angry...

… Its just hilarious that you chose to post something like this on THIS type of blog. Obviously there many types of fans. Fans such as yourself who take interest when the team is doing well, and the die hards. Those who follow anything even remoting related to the team. Wouldn’t you think the diehards are more inclined to post on the internet about the team versus fans like yourself? So what are you surprised at? I’m shocked that a self proclaimed fair weather fan such as yourself even takes the time to post about something that doesn’t seem that important to you anyway… No one cares that you are a fair weather fan. You are just spreading your word in the wrong place I think. Go post this somewhere more general like facebook or something. Not a place where there more likely to not have casual fans such as yourself.

by AlohaHalofan on Jul 30, 2010 5:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

You really don't think anyone is angry Aloha?

I am a fair weather fan so the Angels better win!

by Halo84653 on Jul 30, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's always angry

I don’t mean that as a slight, but I’m pretty sure you could give clover_black a hundred bucks, and he would still glare at you.

But this is getting old fast. Trolltastic is probably the right word here.

by linkbruin on Jul 30, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Push it hard enough and these reactions should be expected...

… like I said, this is the last place on the internet your idea should be shared. Try facebook or some thing non sports related. Think about it again, you are pushing the concept of supporting a team when they win and not when they lose. At a place where those like you are loathed. You SEEM intelligent enough to understand that, if you don’t, you are just plain stupid. And you continue to press on and post in your defense, making me think what ryanfea said below, you’re just looking for some attention and seeming more and more trollish in doing so. Give it up.

by AlohaHalofan on Jul 30, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, let's look at this for a minute
I ask myself everyday, am I investing my time and energy into the things that are really important and Angels Baseball is nowhere near the top of that list. Spectator sports are entertainment, nothing more. Anyone who feels otherwise is deluding themselves. A pro sports franchise deserves no special loyalty. It is like a vendor I may use in my business, I will be loyal to him as long as he is loyal to me by providing me with a quality product at a fair price and you are right. I will dump a vendor who jilts me just like a pro sports franchise. To do otherwise is just dumb.

Personally, I don’t agree with a lot of what your original post said, but I do agree with you that fandom can be taken too far. What I think may have pissed some people off is the sentiment reflected in the bold parts above for example.

People invest a lot of time and emotion into things they care about no matter what they are. You happen to be posting this somewhat harsh critique of Angels Baseball Fanaticism on a site dedicated to exactly that. This is similar to me going onto an Evangelical Christian website and making a thread about how I kind of like going to church on Sunday for the songs or the BBQ or whatever, but think people who take the whole “King of Kings and Lord of Lords” thing too seriously are “just plain dumb” or “deluding themselves”. That might sound insane to you, but if you think about it, it’s not really that different from the argument you’re making here. It’s safe to say, that probably wouldn’t go over too well.

I don’t think it’s what you said, but merely how you said it.

"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter

by Commander_Nate on Jul 31, 2010 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha, some of you guys are brutal.

And almost as myopic as the OP.

I don’t think he is a troll in the true sense of the word. He was not trying to get people here riled up or posted a deliberately provocative message.

He just can’t rationalize that people on here won’t give two shits about his emotional plea for understanding. Just forget it and don’t take it personal.

You honestly have a better chance of joining Gloria Allred’s feminist community site and convince them of the nuances of a donkey punch then you do to change the mind of people here.

Seriously.

by RedFog on Jul 30, 2010 6:26 PM PDT reply actions  

You're not a fair weather fan.

If you were, you would have no idea what the Angels are up to right now because they are only playing .500 ball. Fair weather fans only root for teams that are in the lead and usually only know the names of a handful of players. This is clearly not the case with you.

Drop the “fair weather” verbiage and just call yourself a fan. That way, you will have more credibility when you argue that we are playing like a bunch of tools right now and that we jus don’t seem to be trying all that hard.

Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Jul 30, 2010 6:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Well....

I’m not one to judge, that just isn’t the type of guy I am, but declaring one’s self a “fair weather fan”, should not be displayed like a badge of honor. While my entire life doesn’t revolve around the Halos and their win/loss record, they are the team i’ve grown up with, suffered with and celebrated with. And if a person’s allegiance can change so easily, what’s the point of being a fan in the first place?

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Jul 31, 2010 1:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Hey. I appreciate the time and effort you put into this.

I don’t mind fair-weather fans or bandwagon fans or die-hards.It takes all that to fill up Angel Stadium. (And opposing fans as well) And nothing matches the excitement, the buzz in the air when that place is full. Just ask an A’s fan about the buzz in (lack) in Oakland.

So I’m down with however anybody wants to be. It’s a game. Full of primarily big ego babies. But I love the game and I love the Angels. And it’s as simple as that for me.

Any time you think you have the game conquered the game will turn around and punch you right in the nose.

Mike Schmidt

by Monkeyspanked on Jul 31, 2010 9:00 AM PDT reply actions  

I get what Halo84653 is saying here

I totally get it. This Angels team isn’t interesting. I’m not going to switch team allegiances either, but there’s no longer a reason to watch every day.

I still come to the blog, but the days are over of staying up late to watch every game. I like, Halo84653 live in Utah…so the games are an hour later. A 7 p.m. PST start means games are ending 11:00 or 11:30 p.m. MST. I have to get up for work at 5:30 a.m. With everything going on in my life, it’s hard to stay up to watch every game or any game- of a team that plays without purpose.

It’s not just about being competitive. It’s about players like Juan Rivera, who look like they could care less about playing.

Giving up two-run doubles on routine fly balls to blow Jered Weaver’s shut-out and win. That’s the kind of attitude I don’t need to tune in for. GIve me Reggie Willits. He’s barely a replacement player, but at least he cares and he tries. I’ll take that any day over Juan Rivera. I’d tune in to see that. Until this team plays like it cares, why should I have to tune in every day? I’m still a fan and I still care about the team.

I get you Halo84653, and I feel the same way. You don’t feel the need to be so invested when the team isn’t. I get that, even if some other guys on here don’t.

NA, #34 SP, LAA
Light up the Halo for Nick!

More Howie please...

by hk47 on Jul 31, 2010 2:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I will dump a vendor who jilts me just like a pro sports franchise. To do otherwise is just dumb.

by linkbruin on Jul 31, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

And this quote is a reply to what part of my post? Just curious

NA, #34 SP, LAA
Light up the Halo for Nick!

More Howie please...

by hk47 on Aug 1, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get you Halo84653, and I feel the same way… I get that, even if some other guys on here don’t.

I actually agree with a lot of what you are saying. I just don’t think you guys are saying the same thing.

by linkbruin on Aug 1, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

fair enough

thanks

NA, #34 SP, LAA
Light up the Halo for Nick!

More Howie please...

by hk47 on Aug 1, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't necessarily think we are either

But I understand where he’s coming from. He looks at the team as an investment of his time and money, and right now it might not be worth his while. I can see that.

NA, #34 SP, LAA
Light up the Halo for Nick!

More Howie please...

by hk47 on Aug 1, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you in as much as...

…this is the first season in a LONG, long time that I don’t watch more than half the games, and will listen to them if it makes sense, but it doesn’t occupy my thoughts like seasons past.

And I’ve definitely spent the least $$$ by far of any season on the Angels, but I don’t want to pay for a product that has to decide if they want to play or not on any given day.

I’ll still root for them but their lack of heart, fire, and committment has affected my heart, fire and committment to the team as well. Weird how that worked…

I don’t mind if they lost 2/3rds of their games as we’ve had teams like that before. But at least many of those teams left it all between the lines.

Sometimes I think this team is right there with Washington and just doing lines.

Errr no, otherwise that would still result in more hustle.

Angels – a team that should do drugs.

by RedFog on Aug 1, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ups and Downs are part of Being a Fan. . . Even a hard core fan.

I think that we all go through ups and downs as a fans. Just part of being human. We all have favorite players whose departure, we inevitably mourn. In that respect, I totally understand where he is coming from.

Moreover, if you’re an Angel fan, how can you not be disappointed and discouraged this year. Its not just the losses, but the way that we’ve been losing. We used to be the kind of aggressive and smart team that would ruthlessly take advantage of our opponents mental errors and lack of hustle. We had clutch players who played clutch, and who would kick the rears of those who fell behind. Now, it seems that those players are gone from our team and it seems that teams like the Rangers are taking advantage of us. It totally sucks.

But, all is not lost! Ultimately, we have a great organization. You see a crummy year like this one and its easy to see the cup as half empty, but in our favor. . .

1) We have some great baseball people.

2) We have a great owner, who is as much of a fan as any of us, and probably is as disgusted as us.

3) Having a suck year can also be an opportunity. It can be an opportunity to turn over the roster, take out the garbage and get rid of the people in the organization who are not hungry.

by righteous halo on Aug 3, 2010 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah we all go through the ups and downs

but during the downs we don’t lose interest, we still show up in our caps, t shirts and jerseys and will scream and shout and let our dissatisfaction be known.

by Epic Dean on Aug 3, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hardcore fandom is a disease

But it’s one I gladly incubate. For those of us who waited and rooted through the 70’s,80’s and 90’s, theses are the salad days. You think this team suck’s?…..
 Being a " fan of the game" and not having a team that you live and die for is a pointless exersise is my opinion. When things are going badly and I’m cussing and raving at the TV, my wife tells me to calm down and try to enjoy the game. And I have to sit her down,again, and instruct her that " I am enjoying the game". Railing and swearing and nashing my teeth are as much of the experience of “enjoying the game” as whooping and hollering when they win!
 I am able to relate to the poor Cub’s fan ( While concurrently pointing and laughing at them). They, like us, are waiting for the heaven’s to finally hear they’re plea’s. And the long suffering part is what will make it great when it happen’s.

Champion can kick Trigger's ass any day!!!!

by GeneAutrysGhost on Aug 7, 2010 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Many fans who cheer for losing teams are not clinically depressed nor have mental illnesses as you describe.

I laugh every time I see my Oakland A’s lineup, what does that make me?

by RememberDurazo on Aug 9, 2010 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

It makes you human.

Because that shit’s funny.

NOT MY QUINNY!!!!

by halofan4life on Aug 12, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

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