Rangers Come to Anaheim, More Trades To Be Made. Halolinks
by WiHaloFan on Jul 30, 2010 8:03 AM PDT
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PrintMLB trade tracker: players who could be moved - The Orange County Register
The Minnesota Twins has acquired All-Star pitcher Matt Capps from the Washington Nationals for a top catching prospect.
The OC Register staff are keeping track of the baseball deals as they happen. The latest deal has Capps going to the Twins. Why couldn't the Angels have done this deal? Capps isn't great, but he appears to be better than anyone the Halos have in their bullpen. Plus, and I could be wrong, but it doesn't look like the Twins had to give much to acquire him. I hope one day someone with true "inside" information writes a book about how major league front offices are run. Things such as; what it takes to pull off a deal, what it takes to sign free agents, and how talent is evaluated. Until that day, I'll be forever clueless as to why some deals don't happen while others do, how some teams make trades while others don't, and why players sign with one team over another.
Rangers-Angels Preview - FOX Sports on MSN
Texas can only hope Cantu contributes to the playoff push as Tommy Hunter (8-0, 2.31 ERA) has done. The right-hander won his third straight start since the All-Star break Sunday against the Angels (52-52), limiting them to three runs and three hits over 6 1-3 innings in a 6-4 victory.Hunter's lone performance in Anaheim didn't go nearly as well, however. He surrendered seven runs in 2 1-3 innings of an 11-0 loss Sept. 28.The Angels held a 3 1/2-game lead on Texas at this point last season but now sit nine behind the Rangers.Ervin Santana (9-7, 3.55) might be able to help. The right-hander has a 1.57 ERA in his last three starts after holding Texas to two runs over eight innings in a 6-2 win Saturday.
A sweep this weekend will bring the Angels back to 6 games behind the division leading Rangers. Obviously, six is better than the nine games behind the Angels currently sit, but 6 games is a huge margin to make up this far into the season. Making matters worse is how well Texas is playing and their ability to swing deals to strengthen their roster. Interestingly, they've been able to add two players while not adding payroll...kind of a best-of-both-world situation.
These Angels have lost their swagger - latimes.com
The swagger has turned into a bunch of once-feared hitters making the walk to the plate and, a minute or so later, making a quiet walk back. Each at-bat used to be a battle. That was their persona: Make the opposing pitcher throw and throw until you have taken all his bad ones, fouled off several of his good ones, and then completed the torture by slapping a base hit off his kneecap. No longer. These have become the passive Angels. Get behind in the count, 0-2, and then have the base umpire signal that you are out on a check swing.
I'm not too sure the Angels really had any "swagger", what they had was a team who played good baseball.
Selective Haren - The Hardball Times
He put up a 3.56 ERA in 591 innings with Arizona, striking out 578 and walking 107, but two and a half seasons later, Haren is on the move to a new team in a deal again motivated by salary concerns. As of Sunday, he found himself back in the American League, pitching for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. He's put up strong numbers in both Oakland and Arizona. How has he done it? Let's look at what kind of pitches Haren throws.
Lots of numbers and charts explaining how Dan Haren is a pretty good pitcher.
Why LA Gangs Traded In Raiders For The Dodgers - SPORTSbyBROOKS
In short, the Dodgers have become the cheap entertainment option of choice for many gang members in Los Angeles these days...With that in mind, I can honestly say that gang members make up the majority of people I see wearing Dodger hats and gear here in town.
A-Rod worried about payments to ex-Rangers players - Seattle Times Newspaper
Alex Rodriguez filed an objection to aspects of next week's auction of the Texas Rangers, saying he and other former players may not get the millions owed them. Rodriguez is due $24.9 million in deferred compensation six years after he was traded to the New York Yankees, and he tops the list of the unsecured creditors in the Rangers' bankruptcy case.
More Ranger bankruptcy stuff.
July 30 - BR Bullpen
1972 - The Angels beat Kansas City, 4 - 3, when Bob Oliver hits a leadoff home run in the 11th inning against his former team. The win goes to Lloyd Allen, relegated to the bullpen after five straight losses as a starter. Allen's batterymate, Jack Hiatt, is 1-for-1 after taking over in the late innings. Hiatt, purchased yesterday from the Astros, appears without a number on his uniform since there was not enough time to sew one on.
1991 - The Angels trade 3B Jack Howell to the Padres for OF Shawn Abner.
1992 - The Blue Jays trade C Greg Myers and OF Rob Ducey to the Angels in exchange for P Mark Eichhorn.
1995 - Chili Davis of the Angels is charged with disorderly conduct following California's 8 -3 win over the Brewers in Milwaukee. Davis allegedly slapped a fan who was taunting him. Chili also had a hit in the game.
Happy b-day:
1890 - Casey Stengel, outfielder, manager; Hall of Famer (d. 1975)
1934 - Bud Selig, owner
Fifty-Eight Angel games remaining:
| American League West | |||||||||||
| Team | W | L | Pct. | GB | |||||||
| Texas | 60 | 42 | .588 | - | |||||||
| Oakland | 51 | 50 | .505 | 8½ | |||||||
| L.A. Angels | 52 | 52 | .500 | 9 | |||||||
| Seattle | 39 | 64 | .379 | 21½ | |||||||
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Call me crazy
But I think A-Rod is going to be just fine if he doesn’t receive that $24.9 million. I could be wrong, but I’m probably not.
NOT MY QUINNY!!!!
A contract's a contract
As obscene as it may seem on moral grounds, the truth is they signed a piece of paper and that paper is legally binding. He’s within his full rights to demand payment of what was promised him.
I let them underpay me last year
Does that count?
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Jul 30, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Did he say it was right or wrong?
I don’t think so. Yes, it sucks, but we all know that A-Rod will be fine without the money. That was the message hf4l was making.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 30, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
It's more than A-Rod
He’s easy pickings because of the annual salary he now pulls, but there are other players also with deferred salary, which is apparently little more than a promise from the current Texas ownership thanks to the bankruptcy filings.
The players are unsecured creditors, and they are last in line behind the others who have a secured credit against Hicks and the team. A-Rod is speaking up, but he is doing so on behalf of a half-dozen or so players who are less visible but no less owed money by the Rangers.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 30, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ehhh
Let’s be honest here, A Roid is speaking up for A Roid and nobody else, it just so happens that what happens with him will set a precedent for others. To think he actually saw the bankruptcy shit and though, “Oh gee willicker, me and my fellow players might not get paid! I better do something!” makes me laugh.
So let’s all remember: A Roid is still a dick.
by Dontbatvlad4th on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Wilson Ramos = Conger. Conger for Capps, would you really have done it? I wouldn’t.
Game's the same, just got more fierce.
Well, I would have.
We have two catchers ahead of Conger (whether you agree with that or not), and we have Wilson as well. We are loaded at catcher and our bullpen could use the help.
I would have meant less Fuentes in important situations, and a longer term replacement for him when we don’t bring him back (honestly who is our closer going forward??)
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by matthiasstephan on Jul 30, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
JEPSEN is the one being groomed..................
If he doesn’t grab the opp by the horns, M. KOHN is also being groomed as a future closer. Options abound (in my book).
The days of blaming the past are over. Today is happening. Go S. PIOLI and seize the day!
Walk him and pitch to the giraffe
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 30, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Ramos has enormous upside
Of course, he could turn out to be Brandon Wood in a catcher’s mask, but this much seems clear: The Twins could/should have flipped him for more than Matt Capps, and 2) it made sense to keep him.
Mauer will most likely be transitioned into more and more DH assignments over the next couple of seasons to save wear and tear on his body, and Ramos would have been an ideal choice to be #2 and apprentice behind Mauer, eventually taking over the job. The Twins have far too much money invested in Mauer’s future to keep him behind the plate full time for too many more years.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Jul 30, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I miiiiiiiight, but the Angels don’t have Mauer, they have Mathis. So if the price for Capps is a top-100 catching prospect, I’ll pass.
Game's the same, just got more fierce.
by Sam Miller OCR on Jul 30, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
Which puts us in the same boat, right? We’ve also got a 27 year old catcher from the 2001 draft with the initials J.M., who also had an older brother named Jake play in the minors.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
by RallyMonkey5 on Jul 30, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a good comp, though I think Ramos is a little better prospect
than even Conger.
Maybe this is why the Twins appear more reticent to trade high-level prospects than other orgs? They suck at getting value for them?
"That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball." ~Bill Veeck
Although who have they given up that has come back to bite them?
The only one I can think of is the Matt Garza/Bartlett for Delmon Young deal, but they weren’t really prospects any more, and Young is finally showing some life. They obviously got hosed on that Santana deal, but Santana wasn’t a prospect either.
I guess I just don’t remember any other recent examples.
I think this is a bad trade for the Twins. They sold low on Ramos, although from what I’ve heard, Ramos wasn’t all that happy with Mauer’s extension and his struggles this year have at least something to do with motivation. If true, the Twins may never have gotten great value for him as long as he was sulking.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Capps only has one more year of team control
That’s absolutely not worth a top prospect, especially at a valuable position like catcher. Matt Capps is a fine pitcher, but he wouldn’t be closing in many places other than Pittsburgh or Washington with a 4.05 career xFIP. I wouldn’t have minded signing him after he was non-tendered, but this is an unexpected spasm of irrationality from Twins management.
And they really kind of gave up Ramos
for the marginal difference between Capps and Rauch. That is to say… not much.
"That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball." ~Bill Veeck
Regarding the Capps trade
my understanding is that Ramos was a prived catching prospect for the Twins, but was tradeable because they have Mauer locked up
We're putting the band back togehter.
With the number of teams in need of help at the position,
and the relative absence of strong catching prospects at the moment, Ramos should have returned more value than Capps.
"That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball." ~Bill Veeck
I had a dream about Juan Rivera last night.
A group of us were getting on a boat and Juan got left behind. I hope it’s a premonition of him getting traded today.
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
I had a similar dream
Except we were already on the boat, and I pushed Juan overboard.
It was a very realistic dream. It was weird that I woke up with a life jacket on.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Was I there?
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Jul 30, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
did juan say
“not ….. the (gurgle gurgle gurgle) …. hair (gurgle gurgle gurgle)”
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Jul 30, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
He did say that
He also got very upset when I gave him a high five and actually touched his hand.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Counterpoint. I'm pretty sure I see some contact here.
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Jul 30, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but he has batting gloves on
What’s weird is he seems to be okay with coaches. I’ve seen him make contact with Scioscia after a win. But he won’t with any other players. I have no idea what the deal is.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Maybe he witnessed the Aybar/Callaspo fiasco in the locker room
and ever since then all of his problem arose…like his germaphobic deal and his vision problem….
must’ve been some nasty thing going on in that locker room..
Do you think he's afraid of these guys:
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Jul 30, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually I'm not sure what happened to the boat.
I got left behind also and was in the shipping office (?) I guess and noticed Juan making a stealth entrance into the office to go after the shipping manager or whatever he was.
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Jul 30, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Your destiny, and that of Juan Rivera, are intertwined. Nothing you can do about it now but hope he acheives greatness.
"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."
I'm worried. haha
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Jul 30, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you telling me
Juan is weak and stupid?
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
by RallyMonkey5 on Jul 30, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Twins fans are not happy about the Capps trade
They gave up a highly coveted 23 year old catching prospect, so don’t fault the Angels front office for not doing this deal.
WiHalo,
Thanks much for catching the HBT article on Haren’s pitch types. No doubt some will find it too overtly Sabermetric. I’d suggest rather than abandoning it on that basis, just skipping to the Pitch Mix section:
Haren has frequently started right-handed batters with either a cutter (41 percent of the time) or a two-seam fastball (32 percent)…
Haren has started left-handed batters with a two-seam fastball (44 percent of the time) or a curveball (29 percent)…
For me, understanding his process and approach a bit makes watching him pitch even more interesting.
"That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball." ~Bill Veeck
Oh, absolutely
Understanding the “whys” and “hows” makes the game so much more interesting. That’s why I don’t understand when people say baseball is boring. There’s something to every pitch.
About the Capps Trade.
“Why couldn’t the Angels have done this deal?”
One of the things that I would like to know is, on the presumption that Reagins DID get a chance to talk to the Nats, what would the Nats have been demanding out of the Halos in return?
We fans, lacking true knowledge, assume that there is some sort of equivalency being sought between teams contending to make a trade. This does not have to be true. For all we know, Reagins DID have a shot at Capps but the Nats wanted Trout from us. Not getting any shot at Trout, they accepted Ramos from the Twinkies. And there is no reason NOT to believe that the Nats, in that case, would be fully aware that Trout is much grander prize than Ramos.
So, in this example, the Nats might not have cared to accept equivalancy to Ramos from within the Halos organization. From their perspective, they might as well have said to themselves that they have Ramos from the Twins as the minimum, so if the Halos want Capps the Halos need to go big or go home.
"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."
I think the idea is...
that we were going to trade Fuentes to the Twins….not get Capps from the Nats.
We are sellers. Capps doesn’t help us.
Yeah, that would be fascinating. But each conversation is its own "corner case".
An entire magazine article could be written out of every verbal exchange, as it dealt with all parties and their perspectives. And this, whether anything came of the conversations or not.
This, I think, is one of the main reasons that Moneyball was so successful.
"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."
We should be less than 4 games behind beginning of Sept .
Anything more than 7 then its over .
LA Times said tonight is the first day of the rest of our season
I haven’t given up yet and I agree with the latter.
Let’s get out there and effin win this thing. I’m not going to give up on these guys until I see they’ve definitely given up on this season.
GO HALOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you Rex!
I’ll give up when mathmatically we cannot win it!
GO HALOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by kbrown2225 on Jul 30, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats how I feel about it as well
"Boy, did he drop a huge deuce in the stands!" (About a two-run homer)
Rex Hudler
by devildogamp on Jul 30, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
but
as far as the trading situation goes I those decisions all hinge on the outcome of tonights game.
"Boy, did he drop a huge deuce in the stands!" (About a two-run homer)
Rex Hudler
by devildogamp on Jul 30, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
think those*
"Boy, did he drop a huge deuce in the stands!" (About a two-run homer)
Rex Hudler
by devildogamp on Jul 30, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Keep fighting.
Let’s sweep ’em.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jul 30, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
You can get a pretty good prospect right now
For a lefty reliever who can strike people out. I think Fuentes would be pretty good in a loogy role. I don’t think many teams would want his contract though. So how about the Angels offer to pay his contract (or most of it) in return for a real prospect?
Yankees could use him to set up Rivera. Red Sox are in the hunt for bullpen help. Offer Fuentes for Joba Chamberlain, or else one of the AAA starters they were rumored to be trying to deal for Lee or Haren.
From the Red Sox, You aren’t going to get Kelly or Iglesias, but I’d love to see if they’d deal Ryan Kalish.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
I'm hoping that
in years past we’ve had a clinching too early problem, not enough competition, and getting complacent. Hopefully this is a second half come from behind team that takes it straight through to the post season as well.
….well it’s my hopes anyway
"Boy, did he drop a huge deuce in the stands!" (About a two-run homer)
Rex Hudler
I'm not giving up yet.
In 2007, the Colorado Rockies were 6 games back in their division on september 1, but went on a tear and ended their season with a 90-73 record, earning them a play-off berth. They went on to win the WS that year. If our team gets its act together before they are mathematically eliminated, anything is possible.
Proof of string theory, parallel universes, in the cosmos.
Because over here in the universe where I am stuck at, the friggin’ Red Sox won the 2007 WS title. I’d rather be in THAT universe then MINE.
"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."
I blame the Russians
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Jul 30, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty sure it's her universe...
…and yes it does sound a better place, with or without doughnuts
I see red people
donuts, what's a donut?
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Jul 30, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, you kinda got on a roll there and let it run away from you.
But I honor your enthusiasm!
"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."
If we can't zero in on one tiny mis-statement and make a big deal about it here, what are we going to do with our lives?
Warning: The message above may or may not contain sarcasm. Read and interpret at your own risk.
So, your optimism is based on a lie?
If that’s the case, why not just declare that we are already in first place?
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by snowhor on Jul 30, 2010 1:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Wouldn't it be cool if we sold off the old/slow guys for prospects or to free up cash
and then the young guys we bring up somehow win the al west for us?? That’d be great.
Hey, look, a unicorn!
by HalosBiggestFan on Jul 30, 2010 2:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
it's standing under a rainbow!
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Jul 30, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone worth getting in August?
Do you guys see the Angels picking up anyone for next year or for the minors in August?
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