Angels Play Lineup Roulette, Tim and Nick's B-day. Halolinks
by WiHaloFan on Aug 24, 2010 7:57 AM PDT
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PrintAngels' rally falls short in 4-3 loss to Rays - latimes.com
Their 102nd different lineup of the season, one that included Juan Rivera at first base, couldn't generate enough offense in a 4-3 loss to Tampa Bay on Monday night at Angel Stadium after starter Scott Kazmir dropped the Angels in an early four-run hole."There's not a lot of tweaking we can do to the lineup when so many guys aren't swinging it," Manager Mike Scioscia said. "Certainly, if you look at the options we have to play guys, I don't think there's an impact thing that's going to happen that would make a difference right now."
Anyone know what Scioscia is talking about here? Is he talking about playing guys like Juan Rivera out of position and since the club is so far out of first, it doesn't matter? Or there's nothing that can be done to make the team hit better? There's no one in the organization who can help the team? What does this mean?? How about a couple defensive highlights until I can figure this out: Bourjos robs Upton of a homer in the sixth - Peter Bourjos makes a leaping catch at the center-field wall to rob B.J. Upton of a home run in the top of the sixth inning, Abreu slides to rob Zobrist of a base hit - Bobby Abreu keeps Ben Zobrist off the bases with a great sliding grab in the top of the third inning, Rivera snares a hot shot at first base - Juan Rivera makes a nice snare on Carlos Pena's scorcher in the top of the first inning (why did he run over and step on the bag after catching the line out? Just in case?), Matsui blasts a two-run double to center - Hideki Matsui cuts the Angels' deficit in half with a two-run double off the center-field wall, making it a 4-2 game in the third, and now every pitch Soriano threw last night is documented here...all nine of them. Soriano strikes out the side on nine pitches - Soriano strikes out the side on nine pitches to end the game
Rays-Angels Preview - FOX Sports on MSN
Santana has posted a 1.21 ERA in winning all three of his home starts against the Rays. He tossed a three-hitter in a 6-0 home victory in his last outing versus Tampa Bay on Aug. 11, 2009. Santana has been outstanding of late, posting a 2.66 ERA in winning his last three starts. He allowed two runs over seven innings of a 7-2 win at Boston on Thursday. Making his debut against Los Angeles, Tampa Bay's Wade Davis (9-9, 4.45) will come off the disabled list for his first start since Aug. 5. The right-hander, who has not lost since June 27, was 4-0 with a 3.41 ERA in five outings prior to suffering a strained shoulder. Davis did not experience any discomfort after throwing 43 pitches during a simulated game Friday.
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Major League Baseball investigating source of Angels' leaked financial documents - latimes.com
Major League Baseball is investigating the source of leaked documents from the Angels and four other teams posted on sports blog Deadspin.com that reveal detailed financial information from 2007-09.
What do the teams (Pirates, Rays, Marlins, Angels, and now Mariners) who had their financial documents released have in common? Why these teams?
Make-or-break time: Vital week for teams in MLB playoff hunt - USATODAY.com
Even the most lopsided division — the American League West — could have intrigue by week's end. That's when the Oakland Athletics, eight games behind and tied with the Los Angeles Angels for second place (not any more. The A's are a half-game ahead of the Halos), complete a three-game series at the first-place Texas Rangers.
If the Angels can't catch the Rangers, I hope Oakland does.
Umpires should explain botched call - Philadelphia Daily News
The situation: With no outs and a runner on first base, Astros centerfielder Michael Bourn directed a sacrifice bunt down the first-base line. Ryan Howard fielded the ball and appeared to tag out Bourn. Gibson called Bourn safe. Even if Howard missed the tag, Bourn clearly took a step out of the base line to avoid the tag and then took two more strides before curling back into first base. Gibson's call indicated that not only did Howard miss the tag but Bourn's run was legal.
Today's umpire controversy. I don't know how the umpire missed this one, a play so obvious. Must C Controversial: Was Bourn safe or out? - Michael Bourn makes it to first base safely on a controversial call
Angels " Win Probability " Monday, August 23, 2010 - FanGraphs Baseball
Two games under .500:
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| Team | W | L | Pct. | GB | |||||||
| Texas | 70 | 54 | .565 | - | |||||||
| Oakland | 61 | 62 | .496 | 8½ | |||||||
| L.A. Angels | 62 | 64 | .492 | 9 | |||||||
| Seattle | 49 | 76 | .392 | 21½ | |||||||
August 24 - BR Bullpen
Events, births and deaths that occurred on August 24.
1976 - "Mariners" is selected from 15,000 contest entries as the new Seattle franchise's nickname. Other suggestions included; "Dipshits", "Saberdorks", "Super Saberdorks", and "Glue Sticks"
Happy b-day:
1968 - Tim Salmon, outfielder
1986 - Nick Adenhart, pitcher (d. 2009)
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I'm wishing for a Rays/Padres World Series
That way one of them will get their first championship.
BOURJOS BOURJOS BOURJOS BOURJOS
This is what I would like to see as well.
And what a great Angel connection:)
I meant the OTHER Howard!
MLB wouldn't allow this
It be great, but if there’s such a thing as negative ratings this would have it. And we can’t have that can we MLB?
Root for the Twins.
And not because of the old, tired “they’re like the Angels… BUT IN THE CENTRAL.”
Mom’s side of the fam is back there, so, maybe I can experience playoff ball vicariously through them.
Plus that Minnie and Paul strobe-lit sign is one of the coolest looking things in any ballpark.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Twinkies or Rays
Are the 2 AL teams I will be rooting for. Leaning more towards the Rays because I know their team will be much different next year. Could be they’re last chance for a while although I think they will still be competitive even after they lose crawford and pena.
by AlohaHalofan on Aug 24, 2010 8:54 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Rays, Twins, Padres - in that order.
For all the cliche reasons that clover_black doesn’t want to embrace. We have to support our allies against the Axis of Gayness.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
I LLOL'd
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Aug 24, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Padres
I have to stick with California teams or extreme underdogs, the friars fit both bills, and I’ve lived in SD for 5 years now.
#34, never forget.
root for the 49ers of the NFL
sorry nick you were not able to celebrate your birthday today the bastard will pay
"You dont need long hair to rip off your sleeves and be a badass" - J. Allen
Padres, Rays, Twins - in that order
San D born and bred. My dad would be so, so excited!
Rays because I love Joe Maddon (and his glasses and his copious use of SAT words).
Twins because Joe Mauer is adorable I like Target of all the cliché reasons clover_black doesn’t want to embrace.
Root for the Rays and Yankees
If we’re not going to the playoffs, at least I can take pleasure if those teams can hold off the Red Sox.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
Wihalofan . . . . seriously, "if"???
Does anyone here still thinks we’re making the playoffs? . . .
S-ROD, proving his worth. . . . Kazmir proving his worth (lessness) . . . .
SOSH??/ Jaun Rivera at first? I’ll wager anyone that Jaun has already had his ‘career year’. . . . . CALL UP TRUMBO.
I liked the bottom of the 7th. Single, steal, advance on defense fail, Sac fly. Now there is some small ball. .. God I hope he hits at least .250. . .
Didn’t Joe Maddon snub some worthy Halo all-stars last year? . . . Twins
i believe
arms waving like wings
"You dont need long hair to rip off your sleeves and be a badass" - J. Allen
by DAD OF VLAD on Aug 24, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
"It could happen"
“I’ll pray for that”
by SD_AngelsFan#27 on Aug 24, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
"Come with me and you'll be in a world of pure imagination"
I think this should be our 7th inning song
I meant the OTHER Howard!
Come on Buds... Drink my suds.. till you reach that pure inebriation
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
I'll bet the financial leak was made by an opponent of revenue-sharing
We got three small-income teams that are highly profitable relative to their payrolls (Pirates, Marlins, Rays) and two large-market teams with comparatively thin profit margins (Angels, Mariners). Today the Rangers’ documents were released as well, and they are a total mess despite having higher TV revenues than anyone else we’ve seen so far. The first conclusion everyone made? These low-payroll operations like the Pirates and Marlins are basically scams to bring in revenue-sharing dollars.
In other words, I think someone wants to discredit the “take from the rich, give to the poor” model as unfair to high-payroll teams who actually spend money to win. I think it’s significant that we did not get a single one of the six most valuable franchises according to Forbes’ estimates. It’s especially significant that we did not get Yankees documents. Those would probably support the opposite conclusion—that the current revenue-sharing is not aggressive enough—as I imagine the Yankees’ profits are still higher than anyone else’s in spite of the transfer payments.
So I think I see the ulterior motive here. Someone representing the interests of one or more high-payroll, low-profit team or teams has selected the documents in order to manipulate the media to reach a certain conclusion about revenue-sharing. This information gets passed around to other owners and possibly causes a reaction against the current system. We’re being used, but these financial details are just so damned interesting…
So, floor + cap = parity?
I feel like I supported this before the leak.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Aug 24, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
the boss is doing it from the grave
dum dum dum
by Halos in DE on Aug 24, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I can't imagine the Yankees/Red Sox revenue being any less than twice as much as their nearest opponent.
I am already in favor of a salary floor and cap, as well as slotted contract and the integration of instant reply and most specifically an electronic system that determines balls and strikes. There can still be umpires, but they are so prone to inaccuracy and bias, I find it amazing that MLB isn’t doing anything they can to “get it right” and that no one else realizes they won’t change simply because they wish to still have control over who wins the game. They’ll do anything they can to make sure there’s a Red Sox – Yankees ALCS and the winner of that will play the Cubs – Phillies. There’s your big money makers.
MLB hates teams like the Angels that can compete monetarily and on the field and won’t go away. We’re a pest. So are the Twins, and most people are hoping that because of salary constraints the Rays will fade away.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
But the Yankees are exploiting a loophole to avoid revenue sharing
Also according to Forbes "But MLB permits teams to deduct stadium-operating and debt expenses from revenue before calculating the amount the league will take from them to subsidize other teams. Last season (2008) the Yankees had to hand over $95 million to the league so it could be distributed to teams like the Florida Marlins, Pittsburgh Pirates, Kansas City Royals and Tampa Bay Rays. In the new stadium the Yankees’ deductible expenses will be around $100 million, enough to wipe out the windfall in revenue."
Nick Adenhart
We talk about our prospects that fail or don’t, how the Angels believe in homegrown talent, and I think back on this kid every time. So tragic, to be taken so young, so senselessly. I hope his friends and family are doing okay today.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
by Kernel on Aug 24, 2010 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Yes, agreed. I think about him too.
Adenhart’s death hurt the team in ways that may still be unfolding. The search to replace Lackey (with Kazmir) would not have occurred if Adenhart had performed well. Then we may or may not have pursued Pineiro or Haren. It left a giant hole in the SP staff, and most likely for years to come.
But that’s the baseball slice of the tragedy. The greater part is the loss of this young man to his friends and family. Yes, so senseless.
oh please
last year, Adenhart’s death brought the team together according to most so-called experts. Now its affecting the team’s play on the field?
This team is just not very good and the blame should go to who put it together, Iron Mike.
by Big Daddy Vlad on Aug 24, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
No, it's affecting the fact that we had to acuire Kazmir and/or Pineiro/Haren
If we didn’t have to make those moves, we could have made others.
The fact that Kendry Morales had the most epic fail in recent memory (the afternoon before my birthday, no less) while Vlad is having a year nobody thought possible for Texas, along with a crappy pen is what is affecting the team’s play on the field.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Aug 24, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Kazmir was acquired before the season
and the fact is the Angels did not re-sign Vlad Figgins and Lackey because of money but those are guys the Angels have counted on for years and can’t be replaced easily.
Starting pitching is not this teams problem and while Morales went down, they Angels had plenty of time to trade for a IB like Dunn but instead they trade for a SP? That means one of two things – the Angels gave up on this season and or they believed they could replace Morales’ production internally. Either way fans will never know because Mike lies anyways.
by Big Daddy Vlad on Aug 24, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
you are right, Kazmir was acquired before this season
BUT he was in fact acquired after Nick’s unfortunate and untimely death. so not sure what argument you are attempting to make with that statement.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 24, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Kazmir was acquired almost exclusively because we didn't have Nick anymore
Our rotation was a sinking ship with many leaks last year. If Adenhart was still with us, Saunders might not have burnt himself out to the point of hiding injuries from the coaches in order to help the team, and we only would have had Matt Palmer, Trevor Bell and Sean O’Sullivan making a few starts here and there instead of being 2/5 of our rotation most of the year.
The FO probably figured on replacing Lackey anyway after ‘09 so we might have ended up with Pineiro regardless. It’s not like he’s been a burden either.
We went and got Haren because Kazmir has been a complete disaster. That fact remains the same whether you think Kazmir replaced Lackey or Adenhart.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Aug 24, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh please? My turn...
…oh please cut and paste the phrase or sentence form my comment above where I stated that Adenhart’s death is “…affecting the team’s play (this season) on the field”.
You can’t because that isn’t what I wrote.
What I wrote is that his untimely death – and the pending free agency of Lackey – caused the Angels management to pursue other starting pitching options. The one they chose – a trade for Kazmir – has been a failed trade so far. If Adenhart was still pitching and pitching successfully, they most likely would not have made the trade.
My comment had absolutely nothing to do with the teams performance this year. I don’t know how, but you completely missed my point.
by sothball on Aug 24, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've been reading some of his other comments
and it seems he misses the point on most topics
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by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 24, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah...I'm noticing the same tendencies.
It also appears Scioscia insulted his dog or refused to sign an autograph for him.
I think Sosh lied to him at some point
he keeps calling him a liar. its really kinda weird. I’ve been going to all of his posts and refuting the barf he is spewing onto this site. its been pretty fun actually.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 24, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Have we put anybody on waivers yet?
Could be some interest in Fuentes, Rodney, Matsui…
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
Mathis should be, too.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 24, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Never knew that Nick and Tim shared a b-day.
Also, after two straight strikes to Soriano’s first batter faced last night, I turned to my wife and said “This guy is going to strike out the side in 9 pitches… watch this…” and he did. Dammit.
I love this team.
It sucks when you're right.
Sometimes, lol
Big Bats, We Don't Need No Stinkin Big Bats!
by angelskid2210 on Aug 24, 2010 12:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Next time Mathis is up
turn to your wife and say
“This guy is going to hit the cover off the ball, oppo taco, … watch this…”
And try not to laugh.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 24, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
he's a free agent after this season
hint hint Reagins. if the price is right of course
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by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 24, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
it just shows what has always been true
Mike has no clue what he is doing as far as game management and evaluating talent. How does he keep his job? Oh yeah the Angels play in the AL Worst
so who would you want to replace Mike with?
you obviously don’t want him as the manager anymore and feel he is incompetent. care to share who would do a better job than the guy who has managed this team to the best decade in their history (not to mention their ONLY world series appearance and title)? should the Halos have made a play at Buck Skowalter, or perhaps Bobby Valentine?
your comment is a joke.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 24, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
why these teams?
It shows but small and big market teams make money and the teams owners have denied the teams make money. It exposes the truth, something the Angels organization has been hiding for years under the Arte regime
has the Angels organization said they don't make money?
if so, I’ve never heard them say it.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 24, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither have I
But if you’d rather go back to the Jackie Autry owned Angels, got some fancy periwinkle for u. This team has gone from being filler after the Dodger stories to almost being on par w/them. Sometimes surpassing them. Not bad for less than a decade.
I might actually root for the Rangers
I actually like that team; I don’t see any reason to really hate them. I almost always root for the teams that rarely make it to the playoffs when October comes around, and the Rangers are no different. The Angels really don’t have a huge rivalry with them, and their fans seem pretty loyal despite years of futility.
Of course I’ll always root for the Angels over the Rangers, but I see no reason to really HATE that team. Not like the Skankees or Red Sux.
unlike the Angels
the Rangers have players who are exciting to watch like Hamilton and Kinsler and Young
by Big Daddy Vlad on Aug 24, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I blame Iron Mike for everything.
The gulf spill, global warming, reality TV, lowered test scores in schools, and worst of all-THE SNUGGIES!!!
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Kinsler is the anti-christ and Texas sports are for assholes and the unbathed.
F that state and all the denim wearing inhabitants.
The only thing worse than Texas baseball is Texas college football, next to Texas professional football.
Fuck the Alamo also.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 24, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Nolan Ryan and Dubya aren't enough for you, eh?
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Aug 24, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Politics. Tsk Tsk
44fan claims that it is a fact Vlad will get hurt. Here is to your "borrowed time" Vlad. You were, are, and will be the man Vlad.
Hey, hey
One is arguably the biggest traitor in Angels history and now runs/co-owns the Rangers. The other used to own them and seems to always be seated at the Ballpark in Arlington next to the first.
See, it’s baseball related.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Aug 24, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
there may not be a heated rivalry yet
but how are you going to feel when/if these teams go at for the next 5 years? Texas is a good team, and they aren’t going away any time soon.
IMO any team in our division is an enemy, and therefore I will not root for them. I will root for Vlad and DO, but not the team as a whole.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 24, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Twins. Just because. Hi guys.
I am in Washington and FINALLY got access to the internet today. Will be checking in periodically for the next three weeks until we have actually moved into this house. We spent two days hauling out the carpets and taking down badly-installed moldings and baseboards, all made of plastic. Now we are priming and re-priming to seal up the cigarette smoke, before we put paint on the walls and ceilings.
I can’t believe how many non-Mariners caps I’ve seen, but unfortunately most of the ones I’ve seen are either Red or White Sox. Ick. Ack. Ptui.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Waivers:
Naps, F-Bomb, Abroo and Obi Juan Frosty Tips; according to Rosenthal
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
I used to like Juan,
But after his overall season long fail, I hope that he’s the first to go.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
I hate the Rangers
and their copycat attitude. They are obviously trying to be more Angels than the Angels, stealing Angel uniforms and signing ex-Angels. I hope they get beat in the first round.
Xavier Calvera
oh they will.....
they have to face the Yanks or Rays….and both teams have been killing them.
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 25, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
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