Mike Napoli for Third Base (In my Dreams)
I thought with all the discussion surrounding Mike Napoli and his state as Angel, why not introduce another possibility. The other day, while pondering ways the Angels could keep Napoli’s bat in the lineup in 2011 without playing him at catcher (Hank Conger and Bobby Wilson), first base (Kendry Morales), or designated hitter (Bobby Abreu), I conceived a *mind- bottling idea (*Step Brothers reference. I know it’s not a real word). Napoli should play third base.
It began as an insignificant rambling of my mind. I quickly forgot the idea and relegated it to the depths of my mental priority list only to revisit the lost idea when I recalled the Tiger’s Brandon Inge. I thought to myself if one catcher could do it why couldn’t another. Obviously, Brandon Inge seems much more athletic and about thirty pounds lighter than Napoli but I always perceived third base to be a position of reaction and not athleticism. This is why guys like Pablo Sandoval and Troy Glaus played the position; not so much because of their athleticism but more because of their reactionary skills. The idea developed and I thought if he could play first why not third.
It is definitely a much more difficult transition to third than it is to first but I believe a catcher like Napoli, albeit a not very good defensive one could effectively assimilate to the position. Third base is very much a reactionary position. At the catching position, Napoli has displayed the ability to react to balls in the dirt as well as wild pitches. With his limited experience at first base, Napoli showed an ability to make difficult plays on hard hit balls. His reactor ability appears to be present.
As for his throwing ability, Napoli's catching ability requires a strong and accurate arm. Now I realize that if the throwing aspect of his defense existed, then I would not be arguing a case for him to play third base. However, to even be considered as a major league catcher Napoli most likely was considered to have an arm stronger and more accurate than most others. At the catching position, Napoli's arm panned out to be below average. But at any other position Napoli's arm may be considered above average. Allow me to state that, as a catcher, there is a marginal window of time that the catcher has to throw out base stealers. With the exception of bunts and dinkers, third basemen have significantly more time and often a shorter distance to throw base runners out. Napoli may have an effective third base arm with the additional time to throw the ball.
I do realize that I am reaching and in the end this is all a fantasy that I play in my head to keep my mind at ease. Nevertheless, imagine having a legitimate power threat at third base in the lineup every day. Imagine allowing Napoli to significantly increase his at bats to finally allow him to attempt thirty or more homeruns and to drive in ninety or more runs a year. Imagine giving Morales much needed protection in the lineup. Imagine trading perennial batting champion contender Howie Kendrick (I'm not serious) 'to another team and allowing the rebirth of the Aybar-Callaspo tandem.
I realize that since this is my first fan post and because this is such a far-fetched idea, the post will not be received very highly. But I needed to see if my idea made sense to anyone other than myself. So if you read this and believe that I’m ridiculous for even posting such a preposterous idea, then just consider this a unique introduction to another Angel’s fan disgusted with the 2010 season and desperate for other topics of discussion
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your poll is funny.
It made me laugh. I picked the genius one by the way.
by Wally's World on Aug 31, 2010 8:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Apreciate it
apparently three people think im a genius
by angelsownredsux on Aug 31, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
If it was gonna happen, Scioscia would have toyed with it already...
And no, Napoli couldn’t be a a major league 3B, they tried that in low minors, he couldn’t pull it off. If Naps would move anywhere, it would be DH or LF, but the Angels don’t seem to have any interest. You seem like a good writer, so stick around and comment on a few threads, maybe gains some friends around here, I don’t know if this thread will do.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
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Thanks
Appreciate the positive feed back. I wasn’t expecting such a kind review since this was my first post.
I didn’t realize that they already tried him at third though.
by angelsownredsux on Aug 31, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Not exactly
According to bb-ref, Naps played 1 game at 3B at Cedar Rapids. He had 2 chances, 1 assist, 1 put out, and no errors. He also played 2 games at Rancho Cucamonga. He had 2 chances, 2 assists, 0 put outs, and 0 errors. That’s hardly enough evidence to say “he couldn’t pull it off.”
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Sep 1, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
If anything...
these stats give me reason to believe Napoli could make the transition.
by angelsownredsux on Sep 1, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm wichoo
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Sep 2, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
do you think he can make it across the mound?
"You dont need long hair to rip off your sleeves and be a badass" - J. Allen
I'd assume...
that if a he can make the throw from behind the plate to second with in a small frame of time he would be able to throw across the diamond more easily.
by angelsownredsux on Aug 31, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I think his primary limitations would be
charging squibbers and ranging left or right. Luckily, a SS like Aybar covers enough ground to make up for some of that.
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Sep 2, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
why is that all us fans try to figure out ways...
to keep naps bat IN the line-up while management tries to keep his bat out of the line-up? his future is pretty bleak with the halos.
What is it that "we" know that management doesn't?
Why is it that management keeps trying to piss us off?
Or, the more tattoos he gets
The more his defensive skillset suffers.
Maybe it’s like a Stephen King story.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Sep 1, 2010 3:00 AM PDT up reply actions
The Marlins need a catcher since Paulino is cheating
and Baker is getting elbow surgery so they should be interested in Napoli the big question is what can we get from the Anibal Sanchez?
Unless you're planning to invade Rome
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
...and your character is being played by Craig Ferguson.
"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."
...or Peter Noone
"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."
by Stirrups on Sep 3, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for the Hermits reference
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Sep 6, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
True, he was a thorn in Romes' side (though he never conquered that city)
but his name looks better spelled ’Hannibal"
I meant the OTHER Howard!
Mind Bottling was from Anchorman
Jesus Christ kids these days and their inaccurate Ferrell references.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
"I like singing ... singing's my favorite."
Also from Anchorman.
NOT!
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 1, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
BOG
As in Blame o’ Game? … Or …
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 1, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Chaz Michael Michaels disagrees with you
sorry to say this after your frustrating criticism of kids these days, but that quote is from Blades of Glory.

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by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 1, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
took someone an hour to catch my "BOG" reference.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 1, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
didn't even notice that
until now.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 1, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I've thought in the past that this experiment was worth a shot
Napoli has had some looks at hot smashes and tricky grounders over at first, and he’s been mostly competent dealing with them. Throwing is the only skill in question before a move to third.
I think the toughest play a 3B has to make is the surprise bunt. The throw from third to first is the same as the throw from home to second, which Napoli is not particularly good at for a catcher. Would that make him better or worse than the average 3B? I really don’t know. But it’s worth a shot. Alberto Callaspo does not belong at a power position.
Of course, it will never, ever happen. I’m gradually being convinced that Scioscia just has an irrational hate for Mike Napoli.
"Alberto Callaspo does not belong at a power position."
Neither did Figgins.
Figgins posted a .386 OBP in his three seasons at 3B
That skill alone made him more valuable than the average third baseman. Callaspo’s career OBP is just .335, which just isn’t good enough to make up for his power shortage.
Catchers can become 3B
Joe Torre comes to mind. He moved from C to 3B and in doing so, won a batting title and was NL MVP.
Unfortunately, Napoli isn’t Torre.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
And Todd Zeile
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Sep 1, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
My problem with Callaspo at 2nd
Didn’t pretty much everyone associated with the Royals say that he sucked at 2nd base even though it was his naural position? I seem to remember that much of the reason for him playing 3rd was that he was at least tolerable with the glove there compared to being a liability at 2nd.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
I've got nothing personal against Napoli...
but it seems pretty obvious to me that Soth is not a huge fan of a guy that can’t hit under pressure. Where do you fit a guy like that into your lineup? A DH that consistently chokes all the time and hits solo homeruns is worthless when your trying to put a lineup together.
Am I the only one
that watched him single-handedly take down the Rays last week? Sure it was only one game but he came to the plate with runners in scoring position 4 times and succeeded 3 times, including the grand slam. He didn’t seem to freeze up that day.
There were quotes in the media a while back from Scioscia claiming Napoli needs to “shorten his swing” with runners in scoring position. It sounds reasonable enough, but maybe forcing him to change his approach is why he struggles so much? If a guy spends his whole career as a take-and-rake hitter, is it really fair to expect him to become a situational singles hitter against the best pitchers in the world? Mike seems so concerned with “offensive continuity” that he fails to see the value in getting runs with one swing of the bat. Napoli is not a clean up hitter and that’s fine. Bat him 6th or 7th and let him do his thing.
by dmhead on Sep 1, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I seem to remember
Nap hitting 2 bombs off Beckett in Fenway during the playoffs a couple years back as well
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by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 1, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
You wrote too much
Am I the only one
that watched him single-handedly take down the Rays last week? Sure it was only one game…
That’s the whole point: It was only one game. The trend which matters is his horrible RISP the last two seasons. When and if he starts consistently launching rockets with runners at least 90 feet north of Alfredo Griffin, then he will have turned a corner. This is something that Kendry does very well; whether he changes his swing or whether he is simply more skilled as a hitter than Napoli, Morales sees his average climb when he has runners at 2B and/or 3B. Napoli doesn’t have to show such overwhelming success with his RISP stat, he simply needs not to suck so horribly when he has runners in scoring position.
Otherwise, his big day against the Rays is nor more evidence of his figuring out his weakness than a Brandon Wood basehit is that Wood is going to hit .300 next year. Deeds, not words, and in this case, consistent deeds are what will matter.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Sep 1, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
You missed the point
Napoli will never be an RBI machine. He is incapable of hitting for average, at least over any extended period of time. That doesn’t mean his other contributions are any less valuable. I’d still take him over our other catchers in any spot. Mathis and Wilson can’t hit, period. At least Napoli has one dimension, and it’s a skill sorely lacking on this squad.
No, I got the point
The launching point, though, was the retort to the comment that he didn’t hit in pressure situations. He doesn’t.
If you think he’s the best catcher option and thus should stay in the linuep, then that is another topic worth debating. But the basis of the thread was the (bad) idea of moving Napoli to 3B and others have lobbied to make him the DH (again, a bad idea, unless there are no other hitters with power available).
I was addressing this purely from the standpoint of his offense, which simply isn’t as dazzling as many wish to pretend it is. The problem is, he’s the one-eyed man in the land of the blind. If Kendry was racking up the homers at this point in the season, he’d be at 30-something and nobody would be noticing Napoli at 21 all that much. When Napoli leads the team with 21, suddenly he is seen as irreplaceable.
If he could morph into a Dave Kingman/Adam Dunn type, with good hitting in RISP situations and a decent OBP to go with a lot of Ks, then I’d be leading the movement to get him in at DH. But for now, if the best thing that can be said is that he sucks the least of our current catchers, then that isn’t the highest praise a player can get.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Sep 1, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I did get off the topic a bit. I think having a one dimensional power hitter in the lower half of the line up isn’t the worst thing in the world (especially in the place of Mathis/Wilson) but I agree that a DH should be a more well-rounded hitter than what we’ve seen from Napoli this year.
I wish I could explain why his walk rate has dwindled and he hits like Mathis when there are base runners looking at him. I just happen to think it’s a reasonable risk bringing him back for at least another year to see if he rediscovers ball four and his pathetic RISP numbers start to look a little less sucky.
Correct
I think having a one dimensional power hitter in the lower half of the line up isn’t the worst thing in the world
No argument there.
If I was a betting man, I would bet the team plans to trade Napoli for whatever the market will bear—trading high—and start with Mathis, and Conger as his backup. Depending on how Conger does, he could easily take the job between 2011 and 2012, with Mathis ultimately going away.
I confess I am not versed on Bobby Wilson’s reputation as a receiver (and how he is loved/hated by the pitchers), but if he has a solid reputation with the pitchers and coaches, we could easily see Mathis dealt as well. In this instance, Wilson couldn’t possibly hit worse than Mathis, and if his defense is at least comparable, then Mathis becomes redundant.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Sep 1, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
RISP numbers are inconclusive
My skin crawls whenever I hear someone say something like, “so-and-so is only hitting .237 with runners in scoring position this season.” This is not specific to Napoli. Unless you’re talking about a lengthy career’s worth of data, RISP numbers are statistically insignificant. They don’t mean anything at all.
Napoli is a .254 career hitter and he’s gone 87-for-393 with RISP. No one has ever bothered to check on the probability of a .254 hitter drawing an 87-for-393 or worse as a result of pure random chance with no underlying cause whatsoever. I looked it up, and it’s 7.5%. Of course it’s just an estimate, but it’s useful enough. It says that the event is not so improbable that you can completely ignore the possibility. If you got 15 Mike Napolis together in a room, it would even be likely that at least one of them had gone 87-for-393 or worse with RISP.
This doesn’t mean that there isn’t an underlying cause. It’s just inconclusive. But looking at Napoli’s numbers more closely, you can see that he’s actually walked in 16.5% of his plate appearances with RISP compared to 9.5% with the bases empty. It sounds like he’s getting pitched around. His most common spot in the lineup has been 8th, so it’s not difficult to see why.
There’s no evidence to suggest that “clutch hitting” exists at all. A player who does well one year is just as likely to do poorly the next as he is to do well again. Unless there’s some kind of systemic bias in the numbers, like a left-handed hitter who often gets a LOOGY in critical situations, you can usually just assume that good hitters are always good hitters.
I never claimed there was "clutch hitting"
I stated previously I have no interest in opening that debate.
However, the statistical analysis of Napoli at bat with runners at 2B and/or 3B for 2009 and (to date) 2010 is consistent and it is very, very soft. Maybe he gets eyes the size of meatballs when he feels there is a chance to drive in the run and thus enlarges his strike zone to something even Vlad would consider silly. Maybe he gets tight with anxiety and winds up “missing” the ball, popping it up instead of out.
I don’t know what the reason is, but the numbers are consistent and unfavorable to Napoli in that specific game circumstance.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Sep 1, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I would go further...
There IS no reason at all besides luck. Any type of regression analysis would render it insignificant.
Yes, I am certain that pony is in there, somewhere
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Sep 2, 2010 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions
"Soth is not a huge fan of a guy that can’t hit under pressure."
Can we lay this myth to rest already? Mike Napoli is the only reason we didn’t get swept out of the playoffs by Boston in 2008. He won Game 3 by himself. Sounds like a guy who did fine under pressure while the rest of that line-up pissed themselves.
Jeff Mathis’ playing time is safe even though there is not a situation that exists (pressure or otherwise) in which he can hit.
nobody else in the lineup hits with risp
or any other time
at least napoli can drive in runs wit homers
One time...
Really? That's your counter-argument?
2010
Napoli .202/.319/.372
Hunter .281/.399/.471
Abreu .264/.379/.434
Kendrick .296/.341/.432
Morales .302/.377/.585
2009
Napoli .200/.300/.391
Hunter .315/.410/.472
Abreu .354/.448/.475
Kendrick .320/.358/.460
Morales .315/.382/.631
Yes, the Angels’ hitting with RISP has been abysmal this year (except for Kendry who was mashing it with runners on, and Kendrick, who is just a little off last season).
The difference is, it was good last year by comparison, but Napoli was also horrible in that situation. We’re not discussing a little slump, or one bad game, but 300 situational AB across the two consecutive seasons. Those 300 are a significant portion of the approximately 750 AB he has had over the last two seasons. Failure to produce in run-scoring situations which happen (on average) 2 out of every 5 AB is not a characteristic to cherish in a DH (as some have been touting him) and not a strong argument for a position player overall. At least a guy like Kotchman brings a great glove with him to the game.
Except that even Kotchman’s situational RISP numbers over the last two seasons dwarf Napoli’s.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Sep 2, 2010 3:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, it sure drives home the point
But if we are to accept Mike’s failing in this regard as something other than luck, I can only conclude that we have very few useful pieces to build an offense around for 2011.
I don't believe that Napoli is "unclutch"
Not that it matters when comparing oneself to Jeff Mathis.
Regardless, Napoli seems to get the runners home:
2010
RBI Opportunities 413
RBI’s 60
(ML Avg 45)
2009
Opportunities 432
RBI’s 56
(ML Avg 49)
2008
Opportunities 274
RBI’s 49
(ML Avg 31)
By comparison, Mathis has been below the ML average the last two years.
This year, his OPS+ with 2 outs and RISP is 121. To be fair, last year is was 36. But the year before it was 135. Inconsistent, but too good to be labeled “unclutch.”
Finally, BB-Ref has leverage statistics. Make of it what you will, but the general idea is the Napoli has been good this year when it’s counted, Mathis not.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
I agree and have said the same thing before.
I didn’t write a whole post, but I’ve been one of few advocates of giving it a shot. Why not at least let him mess around with it this spring? I’ve even made the same exact arguments: 1) it’s a reactionary position 2) throwing to 1B is easier than throwing out base stealers.
Another idea I’ve had is letting Naps play 1B and trying Morales at 3B. He may have a little more mobility.
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Sep 1, 2010 11:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Never even hought of Morales
Maybe make a post arguing Morales at 3rd.
by angelsownredsux on Sep 2, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
napoli at 3rd will be funnier than quinlan
Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Sep 1, 2010 11:56 PM PDT reply actions
Adam Rosales of the A's
is about as funny as Q. My wife and I call him The A’s Quinlan. Every swing – goofy. Every play – goofy.
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Sep 3, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
What about moving Abreu to shortstop?
That way, you could move Matsui to left and put Napoli in at the DH spot.
Touch'em all
Don't give Glaus your home address
I think he might be more than a little peeved begin compared to Pablo Sandoval:
I always perceived third base to be a position of reaction and not athleticism. This is why guys like Pablo Sandoval and Troy Glaus played the position; not so much because of their athleticism but more because of their reactionary skills.
Glaus was the shortstop of the Bruin baseball team and was drafted as a shortstop, but converted to 3B while in the minors. I think he had plenty of athleticism in addition to good reactions. I don’t think you’ll find the same pedigree in Sandoval.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
You might find some Pedigree IN Sandoval though
Dude looks like he gets hungry pretty often.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Sep 2, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought his coat looked particularly glossy in the Giants game last week
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Sep 2, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
My apologies to Glaus
I guess I referenced Glaus in his defensively liable state today rather than the athletic SS from UCLA.
by angelsownredsux on Sep 2, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Mikey just clogs up the bases
I meant the OTHER Howard!
by agent_99 on Sep 3, 2010 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

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