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Where Are They Now? Top Angel Prospects of 2005 (Part 1)

"How was the once mighty Angels organization reduced to the likes of Paul McAnulty, Cory Aldrige, and Michael Ryan?" I've seen asked in the comment threads. "Where do they find these guys?" Trust me, Mike Scioscia isn't playing them because he wants to. Sometimes, when your organizational depth is suffering, you just have to put a warm body at first base. But five years ago, the Angels' farm system suffered only from an embarrassment of riches. Experts consistently rated it one of the top, if not the top player development program in the league.

While things are trending upward, Angels fans are becoming used to this formerly laudable system checking in near the bottom of the annual pre-season prospect rankings. What happened? Is this story a tragedy, a comedy of errors, or something else? I'm not qualified to assess the current state of the Angels' farm system (talk to rghan about that), but I can ask: How does the Angels' future of five years ago compare to the present? What could it mean for their future in another five years?

In this series, I'll take a look at the Angels' top prospects from 2005, where they are now, and where they might be going. The point isn't to pout over could-have-should-have-would-have alternate histories, but to add perspective to the baseball player development process, a process that rivals the dark arts in cruelness and inscrutability.

We're going to start with two players whom we've all watched struggle in search of their identities: Erick Aybar and Howie Kendrick.

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Note: Those of you who pay attention to such things realize that the media typically ranks prospects before a season, so that 2005's top prospects were actually the best minor-league performers of 2004. I've obscured that convention. I'm considering anyone who either began 2005 as a hot prospect or ended it as one. Most of the press evaluations are actually from pre-2006 prospect rankings, but I've marked the few exceptions.

Erick Aybar (SS)

Where He Was

Erick Aybar was a highly touted prospect ever since the Angels signed him as an 18 year-old in 2002. The early returns were good, and they got better as he moved up in the system. Aybar followed up a .330 / .370 / .485 performance at High A Rancho in 2004 with a similarly exciting .303 / .350 / .445 campaign the following year in AA. He stole a total of 100 bases in those two seasons, and scouts praised his glove and arm as well. He looked like a younger Orlando Cabrera, with more speed and a higher batting average. The fact that he wasn't even the most highly regarded shortstop in the Angels' system spoke to its incredible strength.

What They Said

Still putting the finishing touches on his game, but still a fine prospect. #5 organizational prospect, Grade: B+ -- John Sickels

Overshadowed by fellow shortstop Brandon Wood, Aybar's nothing to sneeze at. He's got plus speed both on the bases and in the field and could help out this year if needed. #49 overall -- Jonathon Mayo

"He's one of the most exciting players I've had to manage against, offensively and defensively. He loves to play and is just fun to watch." #46 prospect overall -- Baseball America (quoting a minor league manager)

How many good-fielding, switch-hitting, 22-year-old shortstops can hit .300 every year while showing plenty of power and top-notch speed, yet not be a household prospect name? As far as I can tell, only Aybar, which is why he's one of the most underrated prospects in baseball. #32 prospect overall -- Baseball Think Factory

Where Is He Now?

Aybar has had mixed success in his major-league career. He put in two unremarkable seasons as a part-timer in 2007-2008 before finally getting a full-time job in 2009. He didn't disappoint, hitting .312 with good gap power while playing an excellent shortstop. He was pretty much the player everyone thought he was going to be, except that for some reason he wasn't very good at ripping off bases. That was perhaps the only refinement we hoped to see, and expectations were high heading into 2010.

Instead, Aybar seems to have become confused as to what kind of player he is, perhaps as a result of being asked to replace Chone Figgins in the lead-off spot. Light hitters who can work counts are very rare, yet Aybar appears to be trying to learn patience on the job. His walk rate has improved slightly (though it is still below average) at the expense of every other skill at the plate. He lets too many hittable pitches go by while still swinging at ones he shouldn't. UZR claims that his defense has taken a tumble as well; he does appear to make the occasional spectacular play but botch a fair number of routine-to-moderately-difficult plays. To top it off, he's not much better at stealing bags.

It's not clear what to expect from Aybar going forward. He's gained a reputation around here as a five-star talent with a ten-cent head, and that may be an unfair attribution earned from the ill-fated Game 4 of the 2008 ALCS. Only time can tell if the real Aybar lives in 2009 or 2010. He still has two more years of arbitration with which to redeem himself from this forgettable season, but I think the Angels were expecting four or five great seasons from Aybar instead of two or three. He really needs to do something special next year to fight off the creeping expressions of disappointment.

Howie Kendrick (2B)

Where He Was

If expectations were high for Erick Aybar, they were positively stratospheric for Howie Kendrick. A sleepy 10th round pick out of junior college in 2002, Howie simply torched the Pioneer League during his first pro-season in 2003. Kendrick recorded ridiculous batting averages of .368, .363, and .367 as he hacked his way through the lower- and mid-minors. His swing-first-ask-questions-later approach at the plate raised a few eyebrows, but the furious rate at which he launched supersonic line drives into outfield gaps and corners was pretty hard to argue with. By 2005, the season in which he destroyed the Pacific League with a .369 average, he was one of the top pure hitting prospects in baseball. Somewhere, sometime, someone suggested that he might win a major-league batting title, and as we all know too well, the meme stuck.

What They Said

An excellent all-around hitter with improving defense. Could win batting titles. #2 organizational prospect, Grade: A- -- John Sickels

"I just love his bat. He gets the barrel into the zone very quickly and it stays there for a very long time." #12 prospect overall -- Baseball America (quoting a scout)

You get the feeling Kendrick could hit .300 with one arm tied around his back. He's a batting champion waiting to happen. #12 prospect overall -- Jonathan Mayo

In 292 minor-league games, Kendrick has an incredible .359 batting average...while he rarely walks his ability to consistently make contact in nearly 90 percent of his at-bats is a good sign. Plus, if you were a .359 career hitter would you be trying to draw a walk? #8 prospect overall -- Baseball Think Factory

Where Is He Now?

I'm sorry to say that those batting titles are probably never going to happen. His first partial season in 2006 produced only a .286 batting average with no plate discipline to speak of, but he roared back to hit .322 / .347 / .450 in 2007. He was nagged by injuries both that season and the next, the latter of which he finished "only" hitting .306. Still, no one expected Howie Kendrick's demotion to AAA in June of 2009. A few weeks as a Bee seemed to set Howie straight, however, as he hit a spectacular .351 / .387 / .532 after rejoining the team in early July. Seeing Howie Kendrick hit like he was expected to hit for an extended period of time generated cautious enthusiasm for 2010.

Instead, Howie has slipped into comfortable mediocrity. His first four seasons were a roller-coaster of brutal slumps and injuries punctuated by occasional streaks of thermonuclear intensity. This year he's consistently hit about .270 with middling power. That's not good enough to make him even an average hitter, as his near total inability to draw walks requires a batting average north of .310 in order to sustain an acceptable OBP. Unfortunately, it's really hard to hit .310 when you strike out 15% of the time and hit line drives at a sub-average rate.

It turns out that Howie's impatience is just too much to overcome at the major-league level. He's helpless against a good breaking pitch, and he has an uncanny ability to hit sharp liners squarely at the other team's right fielder. His solid glove at second (which UZR disfavors this year for some reason) does make him a moderately useful player overall, but in an age of unusually strong offensive second basemen, Howie is a disappointing afterthought. His best value to the Angels at the moment may be as trade bait, as his natural skill, which shines so brightly on occasion, is sure to entice scouts like bees to a rainy day picnic.

To be continued: If Part 1 wasn't gloomy enough for you, just wait for Part 2 tomorrow.

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maybe i'm just delusional

but i do think these guys are better than 2010. aybar not as much. since i think he’s more of a .290-.300 guy, kind of a GA with a bit more speed. defensively i thought he was awesome last year, but this yer he’s just not as impressive.

i don’t think kendrick is going to win a batting title, especially not with joe mauer gobbling them up like so many peanuts and cracker jacks, but i do think he can be a .300 hitter. it’s just a matter of pitch recognition and staying aggressive, which is what works for him. call me crazy, but i’m thinking 2011 is his year.

i generally think that pitch-taking is not the angel way, and it kills me to see our prospects flounder trying to learn it after it worked well last year. if you can make good contact, just swing.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Aug 9, 2010 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Still waiting on that batting title. Lol

But honestly I really think a lot of the problem is Hatcher. I just don’t think the guys really repect him anymore. I know they had all batters hitting .300 last year but look at them now. I don’t have any statistical evidence but I just think it’s time for a change. Just my opinion.

I’m still waiting and hoping that our two new middle prospects turn out better, Amarista and Segura. I love Alexi and Segura is a very good player too. Look forward to seeing them and part 2!

Big Bats, We Don't Need No Stinkin Big Bats!

by angelskid2210 on Aug 9, 2010 10:12 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I hear Amarista

Will win a batting title someday.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Aug 9, 2010 10:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Please don't jinx him

BOURJOS BOURJOS BOURJOS BOURJOS

by ryanfea on Aug 9, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kendrick

Please don’t count me as one on the “fire Hatcher” bandwagon this time (I seem to have a pass for unlimited use on this ride, as I hop on and off regularly), but I have to wonder. Perhaps I’m mistaken, but it sure seemed like Kendrick was more successful when he used to be an extreme pull hitter. I know they always preach about learning to hit to the opposite field, but I just wonder if he’s one of those guys that just can’t be effective doing that. But what do I know? Perhaps a change of scenery would do him good.

by jjackflash on Aug 9, 2010 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

problem with PULL

back in the day, Howie crowded the plate and got his hand hit and hurt and since then he has been Mister backoff tentative.

by Rev Halofan on Aug 9, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that happened a couple of times with him

44fan claims that it is a fact Vlad will get hurt. Here is to your "borrowed time" Vlad. You were, are, and will be the man Vlad.

by hauldog on Aug 9, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I remember that, too.

by jjackflash on Aug 9, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nature of prospects

I think people focus on the stud prospects who live up to the hype (Strasburg, Heyward, Longoria) and assume all of our prospects HAVE to become what they’re projected to be and are perplexing when they do not.

What so many fail to realize is that for every Strasburg or Longoria there is a Matt Wieters, Alex Gordon or Brandon Wood who fails to live up to their top-5 hype.

RIP Nick Adenhart

by ihearhowie2.0 on Aug 9, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Prospect rank

Kendrick was the #12 prospect by Baseball America coming into 2006. Aybar ranked between 39-61 from 2005-2007. Neither player was ever considered a stud prospect to rival Strasburg, Heyward, Wieters, and yes, Brandon Wood.

Prospects like that should be considered successes if they develop into average to above major league regulars, and both Howie and Erick have done that. Well, Howie before 2010 was, this year ain’t so hot.

"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.

by RallyMonkey5 on Aug 9, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm….

This post and subsequent comments contain 2 characteristics I least admire;

Over-hype of Prospects – I have a couple of assumptions; 1) Our guys work their asses off to be the best possible professionals. 2) Playing this game – especially hitting a baseball – is among the toughest skills in sports. As I see it, the hype machine runs far too wild for me, and I avoid it as much as possible.

 Reading the quotes above, are Kendrick and Aybar deficient in talent? Have they not yet fully developed? Or was the hype machine providing goose bump material for willing and eager fans circa 2005-2006? To me, the hype machine is the primary culprit. For example, speculating that Howie would win batting titles is way over the top. If you believed it back in 2005-2006 and got goose bumps, then you were just setting yourself up for a disappointment.
 
Rampant Speculation – I heave read many times that Hatcher ruins many of our young hitters. Do any HHer’s really know precisely what Hatcher tells our young prospects? If so, how do you know for certain that it ruins them? Perhaps they simply don’t possess the talent to hit MLB pitching?
Please link to direct quotes, videos, or other evidence. This is especially necessary if you are going to make statements like "I don’t think the guys respect him anymore." You may be correct, but I want to see the words/pictures or other evidence for my own eyes.

by sothball on Aug 9, 2010 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

It's all just speculation.

But a hitting coach’s job is to help batters with their hitting. When a young player comes up with a certain swing that is at least moderately successful, and then suddenly they develop a swing that is punchless and aiming for right field with no strikes, you assume that it is the hitting coach telling them to change things up for one reason or another..

It must be that time of day, the time to focus on sports.

by b0rd3rline on Aug 9, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I try not to assume.

Do you believe Hatcher is that far from the hitting philosophy of what the players are taught through our minor league system?

by sothball on Aug 9, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

only people who ever HYPED the Angels system

are Angels fans. On many sites, the venom was always out for any objective analysis that gave our system a low rating or questioned the makeup of the McPhersons and Kotchmans, et cetera.

The reality has been somewhere in between: We have produced more serviceable league average and above players than most systems this decade. Along the way there have been some busts but some pleasant surprises as well. Nobody talked about Napoli in 2005. Now he is our 2nd most important homegrown bat in 4-A after Kendry Morales

by Rev Halofan on Aug 9, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah. The moment in time when the Halos minor league system was believed to be at, or near, the top has eluded me.

But there is nothing wrong with clamoring over a prospect and witnessing that prospect later turn into a very serviceable pro. Just because the prospect does not become Pujols does not mean that he is a bust.

"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."

by Stirrups on Aug 9, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

No comprende.

All 4 of the quotes cited above by Suboptimal for Kendrick (John Sickels, Baseball America…quoting a scout, Jonathan Mayo, and Baseball Think Factory) are not – as far as I know – Angel fans. They are independent analysts.

Beyond that, I agree with what you wrote about our prospects turned full time MLB players.

by sothball on Aug 9, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sikels et al were not HYPING

they were reporting on relative value and their predictions have come to pass – they never said there were 18 future hall of famers in the lower levels… it is SOME fans and their fan site message boards that turned these good report card into a psychic forecast of winning the lottery into gospel truth that was not allowed to be questioned. And now they look like barking idiots for HYPE while the analysts cited here were pretty much spot on within reason.

by Rev Halofan on Aug 9, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK.

I think you’re reviewing predictions over a period of time, where I was reacting specifically to the Kendrick “hype”. Per the quote above – Kendrick “…could win batting titles” – Sickels appeared to be buying into over-hype (although he was aware enough to add “could” to his prediction).
I really don’t think we disagree here…my original point is I really don’t like over-hypsters, and on that, it looks like we agree.

by sothball on Aug 9, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

What could Hatcher possibly say to anybody that would convince them it was possible to be more than a .690 career OPS guy?

I don’t need to hear anything specific come out of the mouth on Mr. Hatcher to know, for certain, that the full extent of his credibility has a very specific ceiling.

Meanwhile, I cannot accept that players are coached to hit one way during their minor league careers, only to show up in Anaheim and be inducted into a completely brand-new approach altogether. So, to that end, I don’t think that Hatcher is “ruining” anyone. What I would accept is that when players reach Anaheim, they are confronted by seriously talented pitchers who are backed up by enourmous scouting machines and able to leverage no small amount of historical precedent when it comes to the judgement of the umpire behind the plate. And it is whatever Hatcher is telling players after they get steamrolled by THAT, which should be the subject of conjecture.

"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."

by Stirrups on Aug 9, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

You make a good point with this;
I don’t need to hear anything specific come out of the mouth on Mr. Hatcher to know, for certain, that the full extent of his credibility has a very specific ceiling.

But then, this statement (with precious few exceptions like Charlie Lau or Rudy Jaramillo) could be made about any batting coach on any team. Correct?

The only reason I brought this up in the first place (using Hatcher as an example of rampant speculation) is that I just don’t know if he hurts or helps our developing prospects…there’s no WAR type metric for batting coaches. If there’s evidence one way or the other, I’d like to see it. This would then help answer the next 2 questions…

Would the Angels be better off with another hitting coach? If so, who?

by sothball on Aug 9, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

So this is actaully one of my secret sporting desires.

If I crashed into an Erstad or Salmon or GA at a bar, I wouldn’t give a squat about any autograph. A simple handshake, a beer and a thank you would do just fine. And then, privately, I would ask them to define the value of a hitting coach to an organization. That would be my opening question. And I picked those very specific guys for a very specific reason: Hatcher.

"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."

by Stirrups on Aug 9, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be interesting to hear their response(s).

Are you suggesting one of those 3 as a new batting coach? If so, what makes you think they would yield better results than Hatcher? I really don’t have an answer to this question…I don’t know if they would be better, worse, or the same as Hatcher.

You propose this question to gauge a batting coach’s overall influence at the MLB level from the perspective of a pro ballplayer? My own wild-ass guess is there would be 3 distinct responses with some general consensus on value/effectiveness.

by sothball on Aug 10, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not as coaches, no.

These three represent three distinct kinds of career hitters. Each had a long and successful pro career, with lots of time to experience highs and lows and observe various challenges and responses on both sides of the ball. Each had a significant level of personal success that should have enabled them to see themselves at or above Hatcher in productive knowledge, which would grant them a different perspective than, say, Brandon Wood. Each came up through the Halos minor league system. And each played significant pro time under Hatcher.

Within that framework there is a significant body of knowledge to be gleaned towards understanding Hatcher’s role, his impact, and his value. I doubt that they would open up and be totally truthful, but it would be worth the beer to take a shot and ask the questions.

"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."

by Stirrups on Aug 10, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's just hard to accept how bad our minor league system has been the last couple of yrs, after

Having guys like: Percy, franciso Rodriguez (part 1), shields, glaus, salmon, Garret “I’m too cute to sweat” Anderson, and erstad..
I mean a whole team basically seemed to have been built from within, now we have too many sloppy seconds with a few homegrown peeps thrown in. Blah

by HalosBiggestFan on Aug 9, 2010 11:40 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

very nice article

HK shows a bit more pop and RBI production (at least in the first half) than he has. Aybar is not a lead off hitter, nor a base stealer and he needs to bat 8th or 9th in 2011 where he can turn over the batting order.

The Angel philosophy of not getting into bidding wars over veterans has risks. Look at McPherson and Wood as successors to Glaus. I have no doubt that the Angels overvalue their minor leaguers when it comes to trades. SROD is nothing special in TB at least this year but I didn’t want him traded. I think that getting Callaspo back is an interesting story in itself.

Angels in 2010!

by tanana40 on Aug 9, 2010 11:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Interesting story? How so?

I see NO value in getting Collapso back…

(and no, I’m not being a smart-ass. I seriously see no reason to have given up the value we gave for him. I would love to have someone give me a good solid reason.)

by K3YEROUT on Aug 9, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

an interesting story in I would like to know why they decided to go back to Callaspo

after obviously giving up on him. I guess he was trained in the Angels way, that is one thing.

Angels in 2010!

by tanana40 on Aug 9, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

They have been talking extensively about this on the pregame show...

Bisheff was very outspoken about this too…(not that I am a huge Bisheff fan, but he and I are in agreement). We need a bopper at the corner. Collapso is not that guy. I would prefer to see Wood play out the season and see if he can pull it out.

The only good reason I’m hearing is if they trade Howie in the offseason…and I don’t like this idea either!

by K3YEROUT on Aug 9, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glaus did not exactly have a clean bill of health

44fan claims that it is a fact Vlad will get hurt. Here is to your "borrowed time" Vlad. You were, are, and will be the man Vlad.

by hauldog on Aug 10, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pure greatness

Not Aybar or Kendrick – this article and series.

I don’t even agree with some of your preliminary conclusions but it doesn’t matter, there is simply no other place to get this depth of Angels-centric content.

Thank you! Can’t wait for the rest….

"That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball." ~Bill Veeck

by LAASurfin on Aug 9, 2010 11:51 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree that trying to turn Aybar into a leadoff hitter has hurt his development.

I hated the idea coming into the season. It simply didn’t make sense. Aybar profiles as a #2 hitter, if you’re going to put him anywhere in the top third of the order.

Had we gone with that, and emphasized his situational and contact skills, I doubt we would have received the schizophrenic player we’ve seen this season.

by Turks Teeth on Aug 9, 2010 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Starting the season, who would you have had at leadoff?

The only other option really was Abreu.

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Aug 9, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's the problem.

Aybar inherited the spot by default.

by sothball on Aug 9, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Abrew at leadoff...

as little as I’ve seen him at the top of the order, I like it a lot… Seems to work the count, and (i might be wrong on this one) the angels have jumped to the early lead in each of a abreu-leadoff start. Obviously a small sample size, but, I’ll take anything around this time.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Aug 9, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was a fan of Abreu at leadoff, yes.

Or Izturis, assuming he would only play part of the time, given his fragility.

But, as armchair GM, I would also have spent much more time trying to find an in-market replacement for Figgins. Tony Reagins somehow thought you could just subtract the speed, athleticism and on-base-percentage at the top of the order, and assumed that it wouldn’t have an impact.

Trying to turn a player into something that he’s not because of team need isn’t a good strategy. Just because the team needs it, doesn’t mean we’re going to get it. And you may screw a perfectly fine team asset up in the bargain.

by Turks Teeth on Aug 9, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

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