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A Bakeoff at DH: Matsui v Napoli in 2010
There's a lot of talk, justifiably, about Napoli on this site at the moment. There's SubOp's cruel bedtime stories, and Downing Rules' case (from the negatives of Nap's defense) for Napoli at DH next season.
Like Downing Rules, I've been a fan of the concept of Napoli as full-time DH for two to three seasons now. It's why I was very meh on the Matsui signing in the offseason.
One, I hate the zero sum game that places Mathis against Napoli, simply because individuals got it into their minds that each is a catcher, and each is a catcher only. It's the same sort of zero sum game that led fans to devalue Chone Figgins' performance in his prime with the club, because they were dreaming hard on some false vision of Brandon Wood's professional dominance (or that of Dallas McPherson before him). Had everyone set aside positional expectations, we could've all truly appreciated a year like 2009 where Figgins delivered a majestic 6.1 wins above replacement from third base, instead handwringing about fictional opportunity costs related to the deferment of Wood's eventual Season of the Whiff (Donovan, forgive my lisp) .
Two, Napoli remains a very cheap bat. At $3.6M, his cost was just over half that of Matsui's ($6.5M), and he's performed well in the limited chances he's had as a DH (.980 OPS). One could imagine an alternative off-season where the Angels FO directed that $6.5M toward someone like Beltre, and installed Napoli in the obvious slot at DH.
So with that, I'd like set aside the talk and take that case a little further by just looking at the numbers from 2010 for a moment. How would Naps have compared with Godzila, given equal opportunity?
Counting Stats
Matsui: 17 HR 71 RBI 47 Runs in 474 PAs
Napoli: 21 HR 60 RBI 48 Runs in 417 PAs
(Napoli projected to 474 PAs : 24 HR 68 RBI 55 Runs)
Matsui: Runners on base: .880 OPS (66 RBIs) 193 chances
Napoli: Runners on base: .815 OPS (50 RBIs) 152 chances
(Napoli projected to 193 chances: 64 RBIs)
Advanced Metrics (from FanGraphs)
Matsui: 1.0 WAR .341 wOBA Positional Value: $4M
Napoli: 2.2 WAR .342 wOBA Positional Value: $9M
We can set aside a bit of that WAR differential and attribute it to positional valuation. Not all of it mind you, but WAR gives Napoli some positional credit for the fraction of his season spent at catcher, and it also subtracts some value for the time Matsui spent playing the outfield, which really was not a good idea in the end.
Outside of that, however, what we see here, normalized for playing time, is nearly equivalent performances. Napoli unquestionably has the higher power ceiling, and if one is only interested in runs created via crossing the plate and via the RBI, Naps has a small edge in aggregate. The only place where Matsui outperforms Napoli is hitting with runners on base -- but in terms of RBIs, even that almost completely washes out given equivalent playing time. Not that hitting with RISP is a consistently repeatable skill (Napoli, for example, had a 1.012 OPS with runners on in the 2008 season).
So, with equal time, equal performance, with a slight edge to Napoli for power and "run production".
But it's interesting, of course, how management views the relative value of these two players. Here's Scioscia in the LA Times earlier this week on Matsui:
"Hideki's production is very close to what we anticipated," manager Mike Scioscia said. "As a group, we've underperformed. Some guys who are well below what you'd expect. Hideki is not one of those guys."
So, Matsui has met expectations, but as we've seen, Napoli has not. This is considered a bad season for Naps, arguably the worst of his career as regular player -- if not from the player himself, at least from the vantage of the coach:
(H)is frustration was evident when asked whether he was beginning to feel like the opportunity to play every day was not going to happen in Anaheim.
"Yeah," said Napoli, who shares catching duties with Jeff Mathis and the first base job with Juan Rivera. "I'm having one of the best years of my career, and I'm not playing much. I guess I don't get it done on the defensive side. I have to clean things up."
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"We've talked about my setup, my target," Napoli said. "I'm trying to get my ERA and walks down."
One could point out here that it was Napoli who had to catch Kazmir on July 10, 2010, the day Scioscia let him rot in Oakland to the tune of 13 earned runs in five innings. This was Kazmir's last outing before his DL stint. He also had to catch Kazmir on May 6, 2010 in Boston, where Kazmir gave up 7 ERs in 4.1 innings. Those two games alone account for more than half of the differential between Wilson's and Napoli's CERA behind the dish -- and it was managerial "discretion" that allowed the pitcher to stink it up to that extent on those occasions.
Nonetheless, it's pretty clear what Scioscia's message is to Napoli here: if he wants to be in the lineup consistently, it will still depend on his pitcher's performance on those days Napoli's in the lineup as a catcher. Napoli needs to improve "his" CERA and get "his" walks down (meaning those of the pitcher he's catching). His fate is married to the injuries that Kazmir hides, the developmental progress of Bell, and every other pitching project Reagins can come up with. I don't need to revisit the lunacy of this. Suboptimal does it all too well.
Meanwhile , a good, rational manager would set aside the positional expectations, and get Napoli into the lineup consistently for his bat -- it's clear he underperforms when played inconsistently. He's a streaky hitter -- to not ride out the cold streaks is as often as not to miss the hot streaks as well -- it's like trading out of a volatile stock during the troughs instead of at the peaks.
Some fans are already encouraging the organization to "cut bait" on Napoli due to the $4-5M he'll be likely to make next year in arbitration. This, by the way, was the exact same argument made to get rid of Darren Oliver last season (who ultimately would have made under $4M given the eventual market for relievers). It's a demonstrably bad argument.
If Napoli will not be worth $5M as a DH next season, how do folks view Matsui at $6.5M this season? Fans that don't think Napoli is worth $5M for his bat should be calling for Reagins' head right now.
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Matsui's contract was partially subsidized by Japanese advertising
but yeah… Napoli’s place in the depth chart cost s a few games in the standings, no doubt…
I bet that short-term Japanese media infusion doesn't play out long-term for the team.
Success matters. More than anything in baseball.
billboards are paid for
cash has been absorbed.
Yeah, coverage will amount to nothing long-term for us, but they sold a few ads they would not have otherwise sold, higher revenue did offset some of that $6 million, maybe not enough to pay for it all but probably enough to close in on the difference between Napoli and Matsui salaries.
That's this year.
It’s like inviting Survival Research Labs to your backyard BBQ. You sell tickets, it pays for itself, minor celebs show up, and the flamethrowers are awesome. Next morning, SRL is gone. You realize you got blackened toast for turf and the addition on your neighbor’s house got torched. He used to be a fan. Now you gotta rebuild it all.
Shoulda just had the local garage band play and spent the cash on a taco truck and a smoke machine.
by Turks Teeth on Sep 1, 2010 2:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Taqueria style taco stations at parties rule.
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Sep 2, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
What would you guys do without my insightful insights?
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Sep 2, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
And here I thought we were at the end of Napolimania 2010
Maybe it is just the beginning
BOURJOS BOURJOS BOURJOS BOURJOS
I agree...
But, Napoli’s struggles against right handed hitters this year shouldn’t be ignored. While he has 13 homeruns versus righties, his average and OPS are drastically higher vs. lefties. I think Napoli probably should be the DH next year (barring an Adam Dunn signing). Whether or not Scioscia’s mind can be changed, I don’t know.
Look at Matsui's splits.
Matsui .283 vs. RHP, .208 vs. LHP
Napoli .211 vs. RHP, .343 vs. LHP
Matsui’s splits aren’t great either. At least Naps hits the snot out of lefties. I guess the only thing there is that most guys get fewer AB’s versus lefties simply because there are fewer LHP.
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Sep 2, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I gotta admit
if the season ended today, this is what we’re going to get from Matsui. A .250-260 avg. maybe 20-25 HRs, 80ish RBIs. He wasn’t supposed to be a big bat that carries us into the postseason. He was supposed to be lineup protection for guys like Kendry and Torii.
The Japanese media interviewed me at Spring Training...
they were miffed when I predicted 260AVG 19HR 80RBI for Matsui.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 1, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I was mocked for predicting 84-85 game win season for the Angels...
And understandably so now in highsight…
I WAY overestimated :(
I could have been a contender…
I thought we'd hit 90 easily.
and would have thought you were crazy. Don’t be too PO’d, mmmkay?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 1, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Highsight?
Is that like when you can see things more clearly because you’re way up high?
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Sep 2, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
No, it's when you look at things after smoking some bud.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
RedFog and red floyd
gaining some highsight together
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Sep 3, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
My,
we have some really good writing and baseball commentary on this site. More than counter-balances the occasional “Fire Teh Scioscia!” posting from my viewpoint.
Thanks for this.
"That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball." ~Bill Veeck
It should be
Fire Teh Sosha!
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Sep 2, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
My problem with Napoli isn't really Napoli...
it’s that Scioscia for whatever stupid stubborn reason hates him.
He doesn’t just hate him catching, he won’t even DH the guy every day.
I’d love to live in a world where high power high strikeout guys thrive on this team but as long as Mike Scioscia is manager that will never happen.
Call me crazy, but I don't think Napoli nor Mathis will be on this roster come April.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Sep 2, 2010 4:50 PM PDT reply actions
Naps at Catcher
DH will be Abreu, Crawford taking his spot…. Mathis will be far away… like maybe tied to scioscia’s dinner table
We might be able to snare CINDY Crawford...
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 3, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Great post
My favorite part: “His fate is married to the injuries that Kazmir hides, the developmental progress of Bell, and every other pitching project Reagins can come up with.”
I never thought about how Naps CERA sky rocketed because of Kazmir’s 13 runs here and 7 runs there. It really seems unjust.
My only quibble is with the Beltre comment. No one could have known that Beltre would have the year he’s having, and it was just as likely that Matsui would have an equally good season.
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
Thinking more about Napoli and catcher ERA
Wouldn’t it make sense that since he was catching so many awful starts from Kazmir, plus most of Saunders’ early struggles, Napoli would also be catching a lot of mop-up innings from Stokes, Shields, etc., thus further bloating his CERA?
Yes - good point
If we had given Napoli the fulltime DH job and not signed Matsui, we would be worse off.
Because Napoli would not have been available to catch and play 1B as much as we had. Having both Matsui and Napoli is a good thing. Playing Mathis or Rivera while sitting Napoli on the bench is the bad thing.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
by RallyMonkey5 on Sep 3, 2010 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
In my opinion i say we
Trade Napoli and Rivera to the dodgers for Matt Kemp, put Kemp in left. Keep Abroo for DH… Kemp is pretty quick, young, can steal bases, has a history of hitting for a good average and has power. Plus he’d save us a lot of dough that we’d be spending on crawford.
by (!ts_a_C.A._thing) on Sep 3, 2010 11:06 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Sure, if our GM was Obi Wan
He could just wave his hand and say, “You WILL trade us Matt Kemp.” Why give them Napoli and Rivera? How about Quinlan? “You WILL take Robb Quinlan.”
"jut keep winning babt" - Moondoggy
by Rally Manatee on Sep 3, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
"This isn't the Quinlan you're looking for."
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 3, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Has it ever occured to anyone...
….that pitchers may not like Naps as a catcher? It seems like he ends up catching guys who A) suck and have no right to ask for a particular catcher. B) Are coming off the DL and can’t pipe up. C) Are young or new and need to keep their mouth shut and not make waves. What if Sosh has less to do with this than we think?
That aside, I’ll take Naps at DH. I think, if he began to think of hitting as his “craft” he could end up like a less good Jim Thome. A solid #5 hitter that make the picher worry for more than 2 batters.
And do not sign Beltre. He’s Boras, will cost a ton, and only plays well when steroids are available or he’s in a contract year. Or both. we will get the Mariners version of Beltre, but with age catching up. Let him go to a team that wants to pay him the last 2 years of his contract for being useless.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Sep 3, 2010 12:05 PM PDT reply actions
"Iron Mike controls everything..."
so said the banned anti-soth troll a few weeks ago.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Sep 3, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions

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