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Angels All Minor League Team 2010
by Halowood on Sep 2, 2010 11:39 PM PDT
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I did an All-Star team post half way through the year HERE. There may be a couple slight changes. Nobody on this list can have logged any time with the Angels this season, this eliminates Peter Bourjos, Jordan Walden, Michael Kohn, Paul McAnulty and Cory Aldridge. Also players that are no longer in the organization are out, meaning no Skaggs, Will Smith or Pat Corbin.
C - Hank Conger AAA SLC. .295 BA .382 OBP 24 DB 10 HR 54 BB 58 K's. Hank Conger heated up in the 2nd half, hit for a higher BA, OBP and more HR's than he did in the first half. He sort of needed to, to beat out Roberto Lopez for this spot. By far the most disciplined hitter in this organization.
1B - Mark Trumbo AAA SLC. .302 BA .369 OBP 29 DB 35 HR 118 RBI 56 BB 119 K's. Trumbo might get the most improved player award. Everything about him got better and now he's one of the more exciting prospects in the system.
2B - Jean Segura A Ball C.R. .307 BA .356 OBP 21 DB 12 TR 9 HR 46 SB 41 BB 69 K's. Segura edges out my personal man-crush Alexi Amarista. Segura's plate discipline is solid, good speed, rumor has it he will be shifting to SS next season.
SS - Jon Karcich A Ball C.R. .275 BA .372 OBP 20 DB 6 HR. We really don't have any depth here, but Karcich has the best numbers this year, edging out Romine. 22 years old in A ball, decent discipline.
3B - Luis Jimenez A+ Ball R.C .287 BA .327 OBP 43 DB 13 HR. Would like to see more HR, but his gap power has been on display. Like the scouting reports read, he can hit, but still has no plate discipline. Great talent, bonus for making the Future's Game.
OF - Mike Trout A+ Ball R.C .338 BA .426 OBP 28 DB 9 TR 9 HR 53 SB 69 BB 84 K's. Great talent, isn't over-matched against competition generally 2 or 3 years older. Has been CS a lot in Rancho. Still the most talented player in our system in recent memory.
OF - Jeremy Moore AA Tex. .310 BA .365 OBP 14 DB 10 TR 13 HR 24 SB 38 BB 115 K's. Like Jimenez, no plate discipline whatsoever. But, he is immensely talented, and is solid at all 5 scouting tools. Turk's Teeth and I had some fun debates regarding Moore's future. Suffice it to say, we think he'll fall somewhere between a 4th OF and a more talented Juan Rivera.
OF - Tyson Auer AAA SLC .317 BA .372 OBP 16 DB 12 TR 5 HR 53 SB 40 BB 82 K's. The long forgotten OF in our system. Like Chris Pettit, he continually outperforms expectations. He may not have the highest upside, but he certainly someone that should be in the Angels future plans.
DH Gabe Jacobo A+ R.C. .301 BA .337 OBP 26 DB 21 HR 101 RBI. Jacobo bounced back in a bag way from a sub-par year in Cedar Rapids which followed a monster year in rookie ball with Lopez and Jimenez. Perhpas he has a future as a Rob Quinlan type.
BENCH: Matt Long (OF) C.R., Casey Haerther (3B) R.C., Roberto Lopez (C) AA, Andrew Romine (SS) AA, Alexi Amarista (2B) SLC, Randal Grichuk OF C.R.
Starting Pitcher: Tyler Chatwood - What can I say? This time last year he was in Cedar Rapids and now he's in AAA. He has developed some control and was a great local pick by the Angels. Definitely the top SP in our minor league system this year.
ROTATION: Tyler Chatwood AAA SLC, Garret Richards A+ R.C., Fabio Martinez A C.R., Ariel Peña A+ R.C., Orangel Arenas A+ R.C.
BULLPEN: Jeremy Berg AA Ark, Chris Scholl A+ R.C., Mike Piazza A+ R.C. Eddie McKiernen A+ R.C., Ysmael Carmona AAA SLC
Honorable Mention: The entire DSL Angels pitching staff. You provide hope for a VERY bright future.
Halowood's Mancrush Section: Alexi Amarista, Chris Pettit, Trevor Reckling, Mike Trout, and Randal Grichuk
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Question about Conger
I noticed that he is not on the 40-man roster, which means that for him to play in Anaheim this month means dropping someone else (or putting Piniero on the 60-day DL, but I don’t know if he’s supposed to be back before the end of the year). I also noticed that Loek Van Mil is on the 40-man roster. Is there a reason for this? Does he have a major league contract? He doesn’t seem like a guy that should be taking up space on the 40-man.
Maybe they don't tender a contract to Mathis after the year?
That could be a way to do it.
NOT MY QUINNY!!!!
by halofan4life on Sep 3, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Scioscia will commit emocide if that happens.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Sep 3, 2010 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Van Mil was on the Twins' 40-man
I may be wrong, but I do not believe he can be taken off of the Angels’ 40-man roster without releasing him and re-signing him as a minor-league free agent. When a big league team first adds a player to the 40-man, they “purchase” that player’s contract from the minor-league affiliate. The player can then be “optioned” back to the affiliate a limited number of times. Van Mil’s contract has already been purchased, which the Angels received in trade. They pay his salary and he gets union benefits, and there’s nothing they can do short of releasing him. Or at least that is my understanding of it.
If the Angels were so willing to take that above cash considerations....
Then they must be high on the kid. I hope our coaches can harness the kid’s raw power. Otherwise that spot on the 40 man, and the passing up of additional cash will have been for naught.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
For naught?
He is Dutch. This move could end up bringing us discounted Heineken and Stella at the stadium (the good European versions too, not the crappy US ones).
Rejoice!
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Sep 3, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's not one of my favorites
But it is better on the other side of the Atlantic.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Sep 3, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Amstel
Not Amstel Light. For reasons unknown, I’ve never seen Amstel regular here in the states, but half the bars in Amsterdam seem to feature it.
I wish to point out to everyone that it should be noted
that in defiance of my unfortunate reputation around here, I am NOT participating in this particular digression into food and beverages!!!
"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."
I was gonna point out that the Artois is Belgian
but you beat me to it. Mmmmm….Grolsch!
I meant the OTHER Howard!
My bad
I sometimes mix up the Dutch and Belgian beers.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Sep 3, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
You know who should have been added to the trade?
Bert Blyleven. He’s dutch, and he rules. No more repetition from Guby and Mota slaughtering the names of players and marble mouthing his way through interviews. That guy could bring the jokes, and he was an Angel. I’ve heard him a couple of times doing Twins games, I like him.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Sep 3, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Getting Van Mil was a shrewd business move!
Being the most famous baseball player from The Netherlands means he’s going to have a contingent of 40 Dutch reporters following his every move & Arte’s going to make a bundle on all the coming billboards for Gouda cheese & wooden shoes.
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Sep 3, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's a decent gamble
I think tall pitchers take more time to develop because there is a lot more human in their mechanics. I give him a 35% chance of turning into a decent relief pitcher. That’s more important to have than another month of Brian Fuentes in a lost season. I don’t think we had any shot at draft picks because with Fuentes’ salary you can’t risk him accepting arbitration.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
by RallyMonkey5 on Sep 3, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
We actually have 41 guys on our 40 man roster
Chris Pettit and Kendry Morales are both on the 60 Day DL so with only 39 active spots, we have room to add Conger to the 40 Man.
BOURJOS BOURJOS BOURJOS BOURJOS
Michael Kohn
will eventually get destroyed in the major leagues if he doesn’t improve his control. He had a 4.1 BB/9 in his minor league career which is not good and he already has 8 BB’s in 11 IP in the majors. He’s got great stuff but unless he improves his control, he’ll just be another Kevin Jepsen.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Sep 3, 2010 12:09 AM PDT reply actions
I realize it's only the Mancrush Section,
but Chris Pettit has already played in the bigs last September. Ah, you said “this” season.
You’re right. It is intriguing studying the stats of these DSL pitchers.
I like your selections for most of this roster.
And liked that you showed restraint in putting Grichuk on the bench. Hard not to notice the progress Auer and Moore made this season, and one could easily imagine an outfield of Trout and those two on some day in the future when Scioscia has penned his 114th lineup for the season.
I’d probably go with Steven Geltz in the pen. He’s walked too many batters since the ASB in Arkansas, but his mid-nineties fastball has delivered 82Ks over 50.2 innings across Rancho and Arkansas. A 12.4 K9 over three seasons, with a corresponding 3:1 K:BB rate, is hard to ignore. I think he and Berg could be the Kohns of next season.
Good call, I completely forgot about Geltz
In my mind, he will replace McKiernen. Guys like Walden, Geltz, Kohn, Rodriguez and Berg really excite me. The Angels of the future should have a solid, inexpensive bullpen. The money saved could be put towards acquiring top notch FA’s or just lowing the team payroll.
The reason why Grichuk ends up on the bench is because he’s had literally 1/3 of a good season. Granted, that 1/3 he’s been incredible, but this is an all-star list, not a prospect list. Had McHeavy of Aldridge not played in the majors, they would have been on the list.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
This will only happen
If we stop making bonehead moves like signing mediocre relievers cough Rodney cough to $11 million contracts. The Angels have had a pretty good track record (at least at the beginning and middle of the decade) of turning young guys and/or reclamation projects (like Weber, Donnelly) into solid RP options. Why get away from that? Especially when a lot of our good pitching prospects, somewhat unfortunately but whatever, project more as relievers than starters.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
If I put together one of Scioscia's typical 7-man BPs for 2010, it would likely go:
Jeremy Berg, Steven Geltz, Daniel Tillman, Chris Scholl, Eddie McKiernan, Carson Andrew, David Carpenter
(That’s accepting the constraint that Kohn and Walden are ineligible.)
It doesn’t matter to me that Tillman is at short-season Orem — he’s pitched 27 innings, and I think he’ll rocket through the organization quickly. I mean look at that stat line, in the Pioneer League no less. In a hitter’s paradise, he has yet to give up a single HR in 20 appearances.
Piazza intrigues, but I want to see a bit more first. Tillman’s two and half years younger than Piazza, but both began in Orem this season, and Tillman has pitched better there thusfar. He was probably the safest pick / surest thing Bane snatched in the 2010 draft.
I seriously considered Tillman above Piazza, but in the end, Tillman is still in rookie ball and was drafted this year...
I would like to see him do the same thing in Rancho before falling head over heels for him. Piazza really came out of nowhere and has shut down his Cal League opponents. I was split between Carpenter and Scholl, but went with Scholl because while they are the same age, Scholl is doing just as good at a higher level.
I haven’t seen too many of these younger relievers pitch like I did Kohn, so I am relying on numbers more than anything.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
I think it's just a matter of age. They don't need to rush Tillman.
Meanwhile, Piazza will be 24 this fall. He’s looked good in nine games at Rancho, but that’s still a tiny sample.
I just look at what they did at the same level, in the same parks, in the same year, and Tillman was far more impressive. They were occupying the same BP for a few weeks. Piazza was absolutely lit up at Orem (that’s okay, a lot of pitchers are) — he had a WHIP of 1.865 — meanwhile Tillman has a WHIP of 0.940 in more innings there.
They both have good stuff, and I want to root for Piazza for obvious reasons, but I just feel better about Tillman long-term, and he couldn’t have pitched better in his rookie season.
No argument here, from what I hear about Tillman he's clearly the better long term choice.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
And what do you make of three Orem mashers?
Decker, Heid and Calhoun?
If you look at the top 10 OPS players in the organization this season, subtracting for those currently on the team, you get six players with an OPS of .900 or better: Decker, Trumbo, Trout, Heid, Calhoun, and Grichuk.
Do we just assume that any college kids at Orem are likely to mash? Decker’s put up 13 HRs and 41 RBIs in 171 PAs in Orem. We’ve certainly seen Baird and Ramirez come back down to earth this season, but Decker’s are definitely far better rate stats per plate appearance than any of the 2009 alums put up.
I suspect that one or two of those three will continue to impress next season. Wing and Segura arguably made the best transition from Orem to Cedar Rapids this year, but I expect Baird and Ramirez to rebound next season in any case.
I've always found the K/BB ratio indicative of future success...
I feel like Decker is doing what a 22 year old should do in the Pioneer League. I do like Heid, he has some polish and I think he can join a long line of Angels OF prospects that should serve as decent 4th OF somewhere. The same goes for Calhoun, but if I’m not mistaken, his ceiling is slightly higher.
What Ramirez did in rookie ball was special. Many more BB and K’s. Before this season started, I foolishly stated that Ramirez may have more upside than Hank Conger. It now appears I was probably wrong, but I still think Ramirez is just having a bad year. He should bounce back in Rancho, and I hope he rediscovers that discipline that so impressed me last year.
I think the biggest reason I got excited about Baird is because of his transition to 3B. In my mind, he went from Gabe Jacobo version 2, to a power hitting 3B, drafted out of college that skipped low A ball. So I drank from the Baird kool-aid. It’s encouraging that Baird hasn’t been too bad in Rancho either. He’s been very streaky this season and I expect a regression of numbers next season in AA. I’ve seen him play and have kept tabs on him, but I honestly have no idea what his future holds.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
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