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The Kouz+ A Trade = Cheap Upgrade?
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Sep 23, 2010 1:27 PM PDT
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MLB.TradeRumors threw up the old "Non tender candidate?" question and it got me thinking, why not trade Napoli and some more youth (or Matt Palmer) to the Royals for David DeJesus? He and Naps'll make around the same $$$ but the Royals really need a catcher and power and pitching till all their prospects come up.
Then sign the Kouz for a few million and go after Will Ohman or Scott Downs in the pen?
My logic is we'll get younger, better defensively, and well rounded in the OF with The Jesus out there in LF. Abreu can DH, quit aching, and maybe improve his hitting a little. I actually think Wilson may not be a terrible hitter (at least not Mathis bad, but won't have Nap's power) but he'll catch well and Conger can catch every few games too till he clicks... then he'll be a big upgrade. Kouz will be 30, will be a huge offensive upgrade (again from next to nothing, he's no Contract Year Beltre, but he's an upgrade) and he can field. Kendrick and Aybar manage even slight OBP improvements, Kendry's back, and while we may not be the Yankees, we'll be improved, move around the bases OK, etc.
It's the kind of line up that can win games with pitchers named Weaver, Haren, Santana, Piniero, Kohn, Walden, Ohman, Downs throwing the ball... and maybe Rodney/Jep/Thompson will end up being effective too. With some of the cuts I'm sure we'll be making, we can afford Kouz/a lefty reliever, and I think it would be a marked improvement.
Of course, the Royals and A'ss need to go along with my scheme....
What do you think of my modest dreams?
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Kouzmanoff is NOT a huge offensive upgrade.
He is Alberto Callaspo who can’t switch hit but has slightly more power.
The last thing our lineup needs is another OBP black hole that doesn’t do one thing offensively particularly well.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Sep 23, 2010 1:41 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah. i could've picked a better word than huge.
I’ll still take a 25 point OBP bump, a little jump in power, and his defense over Alberto. But still, I should have said modest, or muted…. not huge. For some reason, i get the feeling kouz is capable of a lot more than Alberto.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Sep 23, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
The one point jump in wOBA is a pretty Obama like "change" I guess.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Sep 23, 2010 1:56 PM PDT reply actions
Now that's an odd statement
On one side you have a one point statistical difference, which is no change at all, and on the other you have the most comprehensive reforms of health care and Wall Street ever signed into law, which by any standard is change. Also, your proposal for the team’s strategy is stupid.
by Brody on Sep 24, 2010 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's nothing new about Euro-Keynesianism.
I was thinking more in terms of the recession which is still very much with us despite having just gone through our Summer of Recovery. We’ve had a recession at third this year, and getting Kouzmanoff wouldn’t change that much…. other than minor upgrades in power and defense…. still a recession. Dejesus, Downs…. maybe bigger upgrades. I know it’d be cheaper, more “comprehensive”, fewer years, and no more risky than Beltre.
Still the strategy may be stupid. I just got bored with reading a bunch of simpering about Naps not playing and Mathis playing, and how 6yrs/100mil of Crawford will fix all our ills, we all know that the situations ludicrous, The Ninja will probably pull something out of his ass…. I’m just curious what those random options might be.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Sep 24, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Everyone is frustrated
I am confident that Reagins will try to upgrade the offense next season. It is woeful right now. Unfortunately, there is no easy solution to this situation. The only sure bets to start next season are Kendry at 1B, Torii at RF, Bourjos at CF, and Abreu at LF or DH. I think everyone else is in play, so it will be interesting to see what the team does with Rivera, Mathis, Napoli, Aybar, Callaspo, Izturis, Kendrick, and Matsui.
I should add Wood to this list
It is so easy to forget about him when discussing plans for next season.
I don't think Kouzmanoff is an upgrade at all, except maybe at defense.
But it’s not like Callaspo’s defense is bad.
I think we should just stick with Callaspo unless we can find who is actually a noticeable upgrade at a reasonable price.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Sep 23, 2010 1:57 PM PDT reply actions
Kouzmanoff has gotten worse with the stick every year
2007: 110 OPS+
2008: 100
2009: 97
2010: 87
He’s 28 (Callaspo is 27), his career OBP is .304, and I shudder to imagine our offensive #s at catcher without Napoli starting at least 60 games there.
Yeah, but i'm kind of accepting the fact that Naps will be squandered.
So, in the “I wish” department, I’d like to get Dejesus as a stop gap in the OF in return. I guess my gut feeling on Kouz is that he’s better on defense, and he’d be hitting here, not on the Petco Padres of 2009, nor will he be in the Alameda Public Toilet, with that line up ahead of him. he’ll never be impressive, but he’ll also never ask for 12mil.
I’m kind of shooting for the “not nearly as good, but not nearly as expensive and organization clogging as Crawford/Beltre” option.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Sep 23, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
There's nothing wrong with DeJesus, but why assume a trade?
KC has a team option for 2011 — with the buyout at 500k, it only costs them $5.5M to keep DeJesus. That’s pretty cheap.
The Angels could use DeJesus, but I’m still not convinced that one year of him is equivalent to 2-3 more years of Napoli.
If we’re thinking leadoff options, I’d rather try to trade a package like Aybar and Rivera for Furcal. Furcal will be making $12M compared to $8M+ for Aybar+Rivera next season. Given the Dodgers’ precarious finances a 2:1 swap and the salary dump may be an attractive offer.
I don't think the Angels are ready to give up on Aybar
Neither am I, for that matter. Furcal’s brittle, and Aybar will play better that 2010.
Especially if we can somehow move him away from the leadoff spot
Or, better yet, he settles into that role.
I'm on board with that.
Let Pete start out at the #9 slot on opening day, and see if he figures it out over time. Then flip him around to #1 and slip Abreu down to #2, and put Aybar at #9. Aybar is the perfect #9 hitter because he has speed, but it doesn’t quite require the smarts of #1.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Sep 24, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, he'll ask for a raise from his current $3.1 million
He’s an Arb 2, so he’ll likely get a hefty raise from whoever owns him in 2011. Considering that Callaspo’s making $460,000 this year, I’m not sure where the “cheap” plays in to anything.
As for Naps, he’s always squandered measured against how he should be played, but he’s gonna qualify for his first batting title this year, and he’s closing in on 100 career homers. He always manages to get his ABs, even if it’s not as much as we’d like.
If we’re gonna trade Naps, better get a game-changer who’ll be here for the long haul. Like Matt Kemp!
You sure like Kemp. but would the Doyers trade him?
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Sep 23, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Who knows? They sure spend a lot of time slagging the guy, though
And he’s getting a raise from like $4 mil to $7 mil next year.
In general, I’m in favor of young players with so much talent that they’re good even in terrible years. The Dodgers need catching, infield depth, salary relief, and Gutty Scrappers™ to change the culture. We’ve got surplusses they could use….
I'd take Kemp.
Unless his attitude sucks (he seems to be a Torii fan though, so that’d help) I like him, and you’re right, he’s got the talent to be Dejesus even in his off years, much less when he’s on.
I’m just curious what people would do if the top 5 free agent hitters are not in our plans…. and we’re foolishly determined to get rid of Naps. I don’t care how much we value him, and I really do, it seems Soth is saying we don’t get to have him.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Sep 23, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Except for that Sosh hasn't said that, has he?
I think the action this year for us is in the trade market, unless we snag Crawford or Beltre or some mediocre reliever. We’ve got to move Rivera (who has been named as tradeable), we’ve got to move at least one catcher (hopefully Mathis), and we’ve probably got to move Wood. That plus some non-Trout prospects might land us something decent.
This might be a little optimistic
You might get a marginal return on Juan Rivera. I could see some NL club taking him as the anti-lefty half of an outfield platoon and possible bench bat. You’ll have to eat some salary if you want even a C-grade prospect, though. Wood and Mathis will have to be flat out released. So that leaves the non-Trout prospects, which the Angels don’t really have in spades these days.
I’ll keep my remarks indistinct in order to avoid the wrath of Halowood, but suffice it to say that the pieces that would be attractive to other teams are the pieces the Angels can’t afford to part with. Maybe you can sell high on Trumbo or something, but I just don’t see the goods for a mega-deal. Getting Dan Haren was already a miracle, another is probably too much to ask for.
Of course, all bets are off when dealing with Dayton Moore…
I don't think Wood needs to be released; he's still cheap with "potential"
But Rivera, who was cheap in 2009, is expensive now. One key thing we do have, is the ability to eat salary.
Girchuk’s a comer, ain’t he? People say nice things about Segura and Amarista sometimes. You might talk someone into Trumbo, though obviously not as a major part of anything. And we’ve got at least some live arms we could peddle, right? When you add Callaspo and Izturis to the mix, we could definitely help someone, though it would be best if that someone was not so bright.
Agree on not releasing Wood
Especially since Izturis has proven he can’t stay healthy for more than 20 games straight, Wood is at least useful as a left infield sub. And we can still dream of him figuring out how to hit MLB pitching.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Sep 24, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
The fact that Wood is out of options makes him untradeable
If you trade for Wood, you inherit his minor league options, of which he currently has zero. So you’re giving up a player in order to guarantee a roster spot to a guy with a career .471 OPS. Even if you believe in Wood’s “upside,” you’re only choice is to release him if he doesn’t drastically improve in the short term.
However, since you know that the Angels have no options left on Wood, you can just wait until they release him. Then you can sign him as a free agent without sacrificing a prospect, plus you have the flexibility to assign him to the minor leagues in case he takes a year or two (or ten) to get back on track.
Same deal with Mathis. No one is going to take on his Arb 2 salary along with the obligation to keep him in the majors. Wait for the release, then sign him as a free agent. No more arbitration raise, no more roster guarantee. Those are the only conditions under which another organization will take on a player who is “struggling” the way Mathis is.
I know
I didn’t say anything about trading him. Did you mean to reply to someone else?
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Sep 24, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
No. No no no.
No.
DeJesus just had a career year. He also got injured partway through. HUGE risk and NOT AT ALL worth giving up Mike freaking Napoli. Imagine DeJesus regressing and having him and Mathis in the line-up every day. Shudder.
Then throw Kouzmanoff into that scenario and you can kiss the next three of four seasons goodbye. No thank you.
Interesting thought, though.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
I wish people wouldn't call him "Kouz"
Okay, maybe I am more acquainted with mid-twentieth-century American slang than most, but I would not want to be referred to as “The Kouz” under any circumstances.
Seriously though, Kouzmanoff sucks. His .289 OBP this year is just godawful, and his career OBP is not much better. I’d rather take my chances on Callaspo and Izturis at third next year than give up a warm body for Kevin Kouzmanoff. Just because third basemen are expected to hit for power is not reason to go find a third baseman who only hits for power and does literally nothing else. UZR likes his glove, but UZR also likes Brandon Wood’s glove.
The sad thing is, I offered Kouzmanoff as a potential Wood comparable a few years ago. The suggestion wasn’t received warmly, but it appears now that even I aimed too high.
So enlighten me. What does 'Kouz' mean?
C’mon, you can’t just throw that out there and then leave a good portion of us hanging!
I meant the OTHER Howard!
How can I put this delicately?
Spelled differently, it is old-school street slang for female-specific anatomy.
As to the origin, I have no clue.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Sep 25, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there anything you DON'T know?
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Sep 29, 2010 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions
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I tried red wine. It didn’t work.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Oct 3, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
As soon as you said "why not trade Napoli" you lost me.
While Mike is not as consistent as one would like at the plate, he is the team leader in home runs and heaven knows how high the total would be if he had the same number of plate appearances as others on the team. For example, Howie Kendrick has 577 AB’s, Torii has 531. Nap has only 430. Do the math. Another 100 at-bats equals about 6 more home runs (about 32 total this year). That’s impressive!
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
I'm hoping/praying
next season will be a platoon of Nap and Conger. then EVERY GAME we can think about how cool it is that we have a good shot at getting some offensive production from the catcher’s position.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 23, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
we would all like that, but
Sosh prefers catchers that can’t hit, just like the good old days. Remember the beginning of the season when Mathis was catching like 3/4 the time. Sure Mathis hit well for all of 2 weeks, but if Kendry didn’t go down, I think Mike would have gotten even less playing time than last year.
I would glady trade Napoli, but his value is pretty high and we need to get a MLB ready player and a B- or C+ prospect
If you didn't know by now, my screen name is sarcastic
Exactly
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Sep 24, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Rec'd for truth.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Sep 23, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That's awesome!
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Sep 24, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
does The Kouz wear a leather jacket?
Smoke lucky strikes?
Carry a switchblade knife?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Downs
Downs has had a great year and it would great to pick him up, but I don’t want to see us overpay for another bullpen guy.
I see your point but
I agree with those who say Kouz woudn’t be enough of an upgrade to bother with. Unless we can get someone huge at 3B via trade, we’d be better off sticking with one of the 4 in-house options we already have (Callaspo, Wood, Izturis, Frandsen) or trying my crazy scheme of moving Morales or Napoli to 3B. They’re all even cheaper than Kouz anyway.
As for DeJesus, I guess if we can’t get any of the major free agents, he’s not a bad guy to wish for. But I’d still rather sign some big power for 1 year, like Konerko or Dunn at DH, and live with Abreu in LF for another year. Or we can gamble on Trumbo hitting well right away and playing a decent LF, and not have to buy another old man OR trade anyone.
Plus, I really hope all our fears of Naps being traded are ill-founded. Sosh has commented about him not being the best catcher, and there was that little waivers scare, but really I think us fans are blowing it all out of proportion. What other evidence is there that a Naps trade is inevitable? We can’t say, “Well if Morales hadn’t gotten hurt, Napoli wouldn’ve been benched for Mathis.” That might be true, but there is no way of knowing. And it certainly doesn’t lead to the conclusion that Naps will be traded. The facts are, he has become more valuable to the team as a power threat, and has diversified his defensive ability. So, under Sosh/Reagins rule, the only way he’s traded is if we have a viable replacement, and the trade significantly improves the team. But that can be said about almost anyone on the team, not just Naps.
Trust the Deception
I think Conger
is viewed as a viable replacement
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by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 24, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter - we're going after Beltre
He’s a former Dodger and Mariner, so the coaching staff is familiar with him. Despite his lengthy career, he’s still relatively young. And except for an injury plagued 2009, he’s put up solid numbers for the last half decade. And, in a funny way, because of the perception surrounding his last big contract with the Mariners (overpriced), he might be kinda affordable. He’s on the cusp of a $10MM option kicking in, but he’ll get that, plus guaranteed years, from Arte. Finally, he’s been a picture of health, excepting 2009 – he’s played in 140+ games in 8 of the last 9 years. The bidding war with the Red Sox begins in November…
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
Do we really have a chance at out-bidding the Sux?
I like the idea though—just a wee bit of an upgrade over F, C, or B Wood . . .
disagree
they are going after CC, and after he turns down the offer of around $14-$15 million per season, they’ll take a look at Werth. I don’t want Werth, but if they can get him for a 2 year deal I could probably handle it.
and this isnt coming from me, I have a friend who knows things.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 24, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
They already have a Jayson Werth for cheap
His name is Juan Rivera.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Sep 24, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I know
I cringed when my buddy told me that Werth was their backup option after CC.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 24, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
You should refer your friend to RedFog's picture above.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Sep 24, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Jayson Werth is a much more balanced offensive player than Juan Rivera, or Carl Crawford for that matter. I’d compare him to Jason Bay. Of course, the fact that Bay fell flat on his face in the first season of a big contract will depress Werth’s value (I won’t say “worth,” Tim McCarver thinks he very clever for that one).
very true
Werth is a definite upgrade over Juan, although if the Halos sign him I won’t be all that excited.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 24, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Werth is a moderate upgrade at an immoderate price
Yes, Juan has had a crap year, but comparing what they’ve both done in the past over full seasons, there isn’t a huge difference. Werth will typically get you a handful more HR and RBI and a higher OPS with a lower BA and more K’s. The same was said, correctly, numerous times last winter about Bay. All three of them play questionable defense.
Juan was a bargain last year at a little under $5 million. If he can get back closer to his form of 2009 and prior in 2011, he’ll be a bargain again at a little over $5 million. Like Bay, Werth will command a salary this winter of over $10 million a year and probably more like $12-15 million. The Angels would be tripling their price while not even doubling their gain.
Just because the Mets made that mistake last winter doesn’t mean the Angels should do the same this winter.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Sep 24, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
thats not the right way to look at it
When you sign a FA like lets say Werth or Crawford, your looking for consistent good production. when you sign a guy like Rivera he’s just a fringe player. so your looking for more value from his deal compared to a guy like Werth or Crawford. its pretty much given that your going to overpay for high end FA.
Money for value is always the right way to look at it
The only reason it’s a “given” that you overpay for high end FA is because GMs are stupid enough to fall for agents’ tricks and because the Yankees have endless supplies of cash. Werth isn’t even a high end FA in my book. He’s an improved Juan Rivera, and Rivera has been a solid baseball player every year except this one.
Again, just because other people keep making the same mistakes doesn’t mean we should too.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Sep 26, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Jason Werth
I’d compare him to Jason Bay.
While that was all that needed to be written about Werth, it doesn’t build a good case for signing him.
Werth and Beltre have something in common besides pending free agency: Both are Scott Boras clients. As such, the chances of the Angels being major bidders on either man are pretty remote.
Boras will present Werth as the biggest OF weapon to hit free agency since (Boras client) Matt Holiday, and use Holiday’s 7-year deal as a template for expectations for Werth.
Note that this wouldn’t guarantee Werth a deal of that length, only that such a notion would protract negotiations among teams that much longer, which is anathema to how Arte operates.
Werth signs elsewhere. Beltre re-signs with the Red Sox. Neither man figures to be in a uniform with a golden halo in 2011.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Sep 25, 2010 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not an advocate of signing Werth
I’d take him over Carl Crawford, but I would honestly rather have neither for the kind of money they’re going to get.
So who should we sign?
I think most people agree that we need to add one or multiple players on offense.
Get Costen Shockley out of retirement
We need “the Shocker” in the lineup.
If he’s dead, then send him to extended Spring Training until he’s in shape.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Sep 25, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
FTW
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Sep 25, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I am seriously glad to hear that
Both that he’s alive and that you’re going to feature him.
I keep running to reference Shockley because I have drilled into my memory the sound of Don Wells—he who never knew that decongestants could sometimes work wonders on otherwise adenoidal folks—trying to take the Southland by storm with the nickname “The Shocker”, despite the fact that Shockley had shown no proficiency to shock with the extra-base hit.
He is emblematic to me of the lengths the Angels sometimes had to resort to manufacture something (or someone) to be enthusiastic about. That would have been either the last year in Dodger Stadium or the first in Anaheim, and the Angels lineup was a repository of has-beens like septuagenarians Vic Power (who had been an idol of Clemente) and Joe Adcock , and an assortment of forgettables like “Wonderful Willie” Smith (no, the nickname wasn’t meant as irony). Aside from Dean Chance, the pitching staff was pretty threadbare, and the position talent level after Fregosi dropped off steeply as well.
So Don Wells was trying to worm Costen Shockley into the noggins of the few Angels fans living in Dodgertown, attempting to generate excitement among the faithful.
I guess it worked.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Sep 25, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Shockley was a very legitimate prospect, one of the better in baseball
He led the PCL in HRs & RBIs in ‘64 at age 22, in Arkansas. No one that young led the PCL in either between Willie McCovey in the ’50s and Mike Marshall in the ’80s. Finished in second the PCL MVP vote to Tony Perez. He’d been a $50,000 bonus baby, a better hitter than Richie Allen when they were both 18-year-olds in rookie ball, and could also throw 90 mph.
He was a better prospect than Ike Davis, or Kyle Blanks, or Justin Smoak, or Brett Wallace. But when he struggled out of the gate for the Angels in ‘65 at age 23 (same 2010 age as all of them), and got a demotion to AAA, he just up and retired. An amazing decision, one that hardly caused a ripple back in that pre-Halos Heaven era. I have some theories as to why he did that, and I can’t wait to meet him to see if they’re true.
I had no idea
Where do we find the finished feature?
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Oct 3, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
An actual 3rd baseman, a legit reliever and anything else for the right price
The list of available 3B gets pretty thin after Beltre and even he might be too expensive. Wigginton might be worth a look at the right price.
For relievers, I’d look at someone like Rafael Soriano, Scott Downs, John Rauch, etc to complement our younger guys.
We have 5 OF already and like 6 middle infielders. We also have 5 catchers. We don’t need any more. If a leadoff option can be acquired via trade, then great. Otherwise, try Abreu and Willits in that spot next year and go from there.
"You gotta have nuts." / "Coming Around 3rd, especially if I'm ticked off, that's going to happen." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Sep 26, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
100% agreement
I would honestly rather have neither for the kind of money they’re going to get.
I don’t see Reagins making a move to placate the fans.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Sep 25, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't either
but IMO anything more would be to the detriment to the team longterm. lets keep our fingers crossed they aren’t that deperate.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Sep 24, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
@ 2pintsofbooze
I agree that they are going after Crawford. I just think that Arte is going to open his wallet just like he did after the 2003 season. I don’t think losing sits well with the big guy. Just my hunch that he will go after Crawford and Beltre – I could be completely wrong.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Sep 24, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
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