Here is what I think is an interesting trade idea...
Many of us are sure that the Angels will be looking for an upgrade in left field. Although many think it'll be Carl Crawford through free agency, what if The Angels who are almost certain to be looking to move RF/LF Juan Rivera, who lets face it is having a real bad year, and Mike Napoli, who is having one of his better offensive years. With Napoli's perceived value almost certainly giving him a raise this off season might put him at about 5 million dollars a year. Rivera I believe is making about 5 million next year. But if the Angels were to trade that 10M away for the Dodger's RF/LF Andre Ethier to play Left in Anaheim, wouldn't they be killing half a dozen birds with that one stone? Upgrading Offense and Defense in Left Field, moving Rivera... too costly to be a 4th Outfielder for the Halos and Napoli... blocking Conger/Wilson behind the plate. And its a win for the Dodgers as well. If the Dodgers are interested in a new catcher behind the plate with Martin's injury problems or having Napoli play some first. Rivera could switch to Right Field, which is where I believe he is more comfortable playing. The Dodgers save 5M off the payroll, which means they can probably make some more cost saving moves with more flexibility.
Napoli and Rivera to the Dodgers for Andre Ethier???
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Won't happen
The Doyer fans love them some Ethier and he’s probably one of the few players on that roster who’s a lock to stay.
You really think anyone wants Rivera at this point? Unless you meant the Dodgers would save $5 million cuz Arte would cover Rivera’s contract.
McCourt doesn't care what the fans want. He's got serious money issues.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Not happening
Unless the Angels take on more money from the Dodgers, like Casey Blake’s contract,
I don't see how the Dodgers are saving payroll there.
Rivera and Napoli combined will cost about 11M next season. Dodgers add 2M to payroll while losing a fan favorite and downgrading on OF offense and defense.
If you want to offer them payroll reduction, you could offer Rivera and Aybar for Furcal. From the Dodgers side, Furcal is expensive and comes with injury risk. On the Angels side, those things are true as well, but at least Furcal could be a legitimate leadoff threat, and comes on a short contract.
Ethier is due for 4th year arb in 2012
I don’t see how the Dodgers are saving payroll there.
Rivera’s deal ends 2011. In that way, the Dodgers save millions in 2012, since they’d place a rookie in the OF at that time.
Furthermore, Russell Martin is on the same arb calendar as Napoli, but is making about $2M more in 2010. This gives Colletti the opportunity to trade Martin and shave more money off the payroll.
Incredibly, the Dodgers owe $25M in 2012 in deferred salary deals with Manny, Andruw Jones and Juan Pierre. Getting Ethier off the books, who figures to make eight figures in 2012 with even a modesly productive 2011, would help the Dodgers enormously. It isn’t at all illogical to forecast the Dodgers trading either Ethier or Kemp this offseason; whether it is to the Angels is another matter.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Oct 1, 2010 5:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Kemp!
Would love me some Matt Kemp but that’s probably not happening either… having a pretty bad year defensive year and not his expected offensive output.
Hula Dula loves those nuts!
No way the deal Ethier
Kemp can be had though.
Reggie Willits: The non-tender candidate of my dreams.
Kemp is a great option. A chnage of scenery will do him good.
Wow. That would be a great trade.
by Wally's World on Oct 1, 2010 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Rivera is a DFA candidate
not a trade candidate.
Napoli – Walden might get the Dodgers to return the phone call and ask for Reckling and Bourjos too for Ethier.
There might be many teams willing to shed payroll this winter
As George stated above, I think it IS likely that some high profile players get moved this winter. Most will come with high price tags, along with some amount of risk (otherwise they wouldn’t be available). In no particular order:
Mark Reynolds (due $14MM over next 2 years, poor 2010)
Prince Fielder (2011 FA)
Corey Hart (Arb 3)
Rickie Weeks (Arb 3)
Ryan Ludwick (Arb 3)
Bobby Jenks (Arb 3)
Carlos Quentin (Arb 3)
David DeJesus (Affordable option, but may be too much for Royals)
I also have a feeling the Mets might eat some of Carlos Beltran’s contract in order to move him – multiple sources indicate they may be willing to part ways. Of all the crazy ideas out there, he might actually be a decent fit for the Halos. Definitely some health risk, but if he still has something left in the tank, you might have a switch hitter with power, draws walks, and who could play outstanding defense.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
Beltran
° Full no-trade clause
° $18.5M for 2011 ($5.5M of which is deferred)
° Contractual agreement not to offer arbitration after 2011
° Total of 134 games started defensively over 2009-2010
° Scott Boras client
It would be difficult finding a fit for Beltran anywhere with these aspects of his current career. The Mets would have to eat about $10M just to get a decent player in the exchange. The acquiring team won’t receive any draft picks when Beltran hits free agency after 2011 season.
It would be a tough sell to both opposing GMs and to Mets fans to trade Beltran at this point.
As far as the linked story is concerned, Heyman—a notorious sock puppet for Team Boras—mentions in a radio interview his “insight” to two players, Beltran and Varitek, who are both (wait for it…) Boras clients. The story seems more like Boras using Heyman’s PR services to drive up the value of his clients than it does real-world possibilities.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Oct 1, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, yes, and yes
I get all that George. And you know as well as I do that it’s not just Jon Heyman spreading these rumors – they’re all over the NY press.
Anyway – I’m just sayin’…if we want a talented OF and the Mets are willing to eat a significant part of his salary, he ain’t a bad choice. He absolutely, positively comes with risk. None of our other choices don’t? The negatives are obvious. But the upside would be enormous. Would I do it? I don’t know – it would depend (naturally) upon the price tag, but if it was in the $8-10MM range – yeah, I might. I doubt the Mets will come down that low, so it may be a moot point. And the no-trade clause is a huge impediment. But if they begin shopping him, I’d at least kick the tires.
Let’s at least consider some of the positives (can’t we?):
- Only on the hook contractually for one year
- Posted OPS+ of 144 and 106 during last two injury riddled years
- Switch hitter with power
- Gold Glove Outfielder
- Until recently, had played 140+ games 8 years in a row
- Mets need a C and a 2B (badly), so the Halos may match up well in a trade
- He could help the team much more than Kevin Kouzmanoff
You can list all the negatives, but we’re all aware of them. Ultimately, one would have to decide if the positives outweigh the negatives, or vice versa. Teams do that every winter. This year, it certainly is our turn to make some tough decisions.
If you don’t think he’s worth it, you may be right. But it’s an interesting, outside the box thought.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Oct 1, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you misunderestimate the NTC
Boras is a superb poker player in negotiations, and he wouldn’t give anything up for free. NTCs are usually swapped for guaranteed option years, and since there is none to be guaranteed on Beltran’s contract, Boras would undoubtedly have his client waive it only for an extension.
We have two CF right now. Are we really that anxious for a third, with this one extended past Hunter’s ultimate year of 2012, when we need to be making room for Trout in that time? We can say “Oh, we’ll just have Beltran play LF” but the guys who have spent their careers in CF are very proud players (as we saw a couple of months ago with Hunter), and they are accustomed to being the leader of the OF. It isn’t as simple as handing the guy a glove and pointing him to LF, a position sufficiently inconsequential that stone hands like Manny “play” there.
Likewise, the time lost to injury in the last two seasons can not be minimized. Most recently, the concern has been his legs, which is a near-fatal injury to someone who considers himself a CF. We’ve seen with guys like Guerrero and Hunter that when their legs go, their egos are the last to get the memo, and they wind up repeatedly getting thrown out on the basepaths trying for a base beyond their reach.
So, unless the Mets are willing to pay more than $10M owed Beltran, there is no demand for an extension, and they don’t want more in return than the negotiation rights to Costen Shockley, then I would say the Angels should sit this dance out.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Oct 2, 2010 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Extension for a Boras client?
Those are pretty rare. Wouldn’t he rather gamble that Beltran has a healthy, productive 2011 and take him back out on the open market for one last cash in?
The reason
There might be concern that Beltran really is in a quick eclipse. In that case, use the leverage to obtain a de facto free agent deal through a mandatory extension than risk him wallowing in a mediocre 2011 and have no suitors the following Winter.
Two or three more seasons at a figure even half per season the $18.5M he’s making next year is preferable to nothing more than a minor league contract offer in 2012.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Oct 2, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
That's pretty presumptuous
I don’t see how Boras cares if he waives his no-trade clause for nothing. Let’s say he agrees to go to Boston. Wouldn’t it be in Beltran’s best interest to play on a better team in an offensive environment to boost his impending free agent status?
Which isn’t to say I disagree with you. Even though he’s played very well since returning to the field in July, there’s just too much risk involved in taking him on at full price. No one is going to ante up an extension for a guy who has missed more than a season’s worth of games the last two years.
Only because Boras isn't known for giving anything away
That is why he is the gold standard of player agents.
The NTC was a fought-for aspect of the Mets contract. Rather than simply concede it, he is far more likely to trade it for something else of value for his client.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Oct 2, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Kouzmanoff was meant as a joke, btw
Based on other Fanposts. Sarcasm doesn’t come through very well on the internet.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Oct 1, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
He's just to pretty to trade.
Ethier’s the only thing left for Doyer fans to like about the Doyers. They’ll never trade him.
Mark Reynolds (due $14MM over next 2 years, poor 2010), Prince Fielder (2011 FA), Corey Hart (Arb 3), Ryan Ludwick (Arb 3), Carlos Quentin (Arb 3)= just what we need, lame defense, slow feet, strike outs…. what could go wrong? Ludwick maybe, he’s not too old, and I doubt he’s nearly as bad as he showed in StL/SD. Maybe he’ll be angry and have a monster 2011.
Rickie Weeks (Arb 3) Ehhhhh. He’s Juan Rivera without the busted legs and good arm, which is good I guess, but i wouldn’t break the bank or the farm to get him.
Bobby Jenks (Arb 3)= Booze. Looks like he could be a date rapist too. he’s also basically a doughy white Rodney.
David DeJesus (Affordable option, but may be too much for Royals) I like him, especially if we don’t have to commit to him past next year.
Beltran = C3PO, or a guy with more talent than Rivera who is also now more busted up than Rivera and will cost a ton even with the Mets eating some cash too. He’s a scary risk.
Matt Kemp’s a chump. He just plain looks like a brat, i don’t care how talented he is, he reminds me of young Milton Bradly, but less violent and more mopey, which means more boring. The only way a guy that talented drops off the way he has is stupidity ( we have Akbar for that) or a bad attitude.
So, now that I’ve blah blahed other’s ideas, I’ll try and suggest someone and let others pick apart my idea….
Hows about we go get Austin Kearns to play for a year? He, of course, is not THE ANSWER, but as far as I can tell he’ll provide some offense, he hustles, he’s cheap, he won’t demand 5 years, and, while i can’t really figure out UZR that well, he doesn’t seem to be a disaster in the field.
Could he be a good piece if we went out and signed an expensive third baseman, or DH?
I know, what about Abroo? Bench. He looks gassed. I don’t even buy him as a possible desperation lead off guy. He looks like he’s lost some steps, and some zip on his swing, just ask anyone in the AL who throws left handed.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Oct 1, 2010 12:52 PM PDT reply actions
I probably didn't explain myself well
I wasn’t advocating getting any of those guys. I was simply pointing out that some players may get moved during the offseason. Where to, who knows?
The only player that caught my eye was Beltran. He’s talented, but you’re right, he’s a huge health risk. But the Halos may have to take a chance or two if they want to upgrade their offense.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Oct 1, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe as a DH
he wouldn’t look so gassed? The only thing Abreu is doing differently this year from the rest of his career is hit singles a lot less frequently. On balls in play he’s hitting .297, while for his career he’s at .343 and just last year it was at .338. His power numbers and walk rates are right where they’ve always been. I see no reason why he should fall off a cliff with the bat. Get him out of the field and let him do his thing.
by dmhead on Oct 1, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It would be cool if he's fresh as a DH.
As far as being cost effective, it’s always best to get a lot out of someone you already have to pay. But that drop in BABIP…. and the way he looks hitting….. seems like slower/weaker swing to me.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Oct 1, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe
His line drive rate has been down the last two years. But then why does he have 20 home runs and 40 doubles? He’ll probably never hit .300 again, but I think he’s a good bet to bounce back and at least have a productive season. Remove him from the outfield equation and put him in one of the first two slots in the line up and I think he’ll be fine.
Trade Rivera - yes, Napoli - no.
Trading Napoli is like cutting your nose to spite your face. The Angels offense is struggling. Why trade the player with the most home runs? Yeah, I know, he struggles with RISP. But that does not negate his potential. Certainly, let’s make some trades and deal away some or our black holes for more productive players – but not Nap.
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