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Projecting the AL West: WAR Analysis

Like most of you I spent my evening cursing Arte and Tony; contemplating how I was going to enjoy my trip out to Spring Training this March knowing that the Halos were doomed for another third place season. I got to wondering.. is it really as bad as we think it is? Or is it possible that maybe the let down of failing to sign an impact bat has left us feeling doomed when it might not be as bad as it seems?

The following is a projected WAR analysis of the Athletics, Rangers, and our Halos. I did my best to project each teams 25-man roster. There may be a few minor discrepancies here and there, but I think they should be pretty close for the most part. I pulled the WAR projections from FanGraphs. Take the projections with a grain of salt, but they seem fairly realistic to me. For any players that didn't have a projection I did my best to come up with an accurate projection based on past performance. Here is what we got...

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ROTATIONS

Athletics

Brett Anderson 4.2

Trevor Cahill 2.9

Gio Gonzalez 3.3

Dallas Braden 3.3

Rich Harden 2.0

Rangers

C.J. Wilson 3.5

Colby Lewis 3.7

Brandon Webb 2.0

Scott Feldman 1.0

Tommy Hunter 1.0

Angels

Jered Weaver 5.1

Dan Haren 5.4

Ervin Santana 2.8

Joel Pineiro 3.9

Scott Kazmir 1.0

RECAP: There has been a lot of talk about the A's having one of the best rotations in the league, but it is clear the FanGraphs community disagrees. The 1-2 punch of Weaver and Haren lead the Angels to an AL West leading WAR score of 18.2 compared to the A's 15.7. The Rangers are projected to struggle mightily with their rotation after the loss of Cliff Lee, boasting a score of 11.2 WAR.

BULLPENS:

Athletics

Brandon McCarthy 1.0

Josh Outman 0.8

Tyson Ross 0.1

Michael Wuertz 0.8

Brad Ziegler 0.7

Andrew Bailey 1.7

Rangers

Derek Holland 1.0

Alexi Ogando 1.0

Darren Oliver 1.3

Aurthur Rhodes 1.0

Mark Lowe 0.5

Neftali Feliz 1.7

Angels

Trevor Bell 1.0

Hisanori Takahashi 1.6

Scott Downs 1.2

Kevin Jepsen 1.2

Jordan Walden 1.0

Fernando Rodney 0.3

RECAP: The Rangers (6.5 WAR) and Halos (6.3) come in neck and neck for the best bullpen in the division. If the projections hold true, Reagins two RP pickups in Downs and Takahashi will be a huge reason for that. The scary part is the Halos least effective bullpen arm is our closer (Rafael Soriano time?) Oakland trails with a 5.1 WAR.

LINEUPS

Athletics

C Kurt Suzuki 2.6

1B Daric Barton 3.5

2B Mark Ellis 2.1

3B Kevin Kouzmanoff 1.4

SS Cliff Pennington 2.8

LF Josh Willingham 2.6

CF CoCo Crisp 2.9

RF David DeJesus 2.8

DH Hideki Matsui 1.0

Rangers

C Yorvit Torrealba 1.5

1B Mitch Moreland 1.0

2B Ian Kinsler 4.5

3B Adrian Beltre 5.1

SS Elvis Andrus 3.5

LF Josh Hamilton 5.2

CF Julio Borbon 1.3

RF Nelson Cruz 4.8

DH Michael Young 2.4

Angels

C Jeff Mathis -0.2

1B Kendry Morales 3.9

2B Howie Kendrick 3.2

3B Alberto Callaspo 1.6

SS Erick Aybar 2.3

LF Bobby Abreu 2.1

CF Peter Bourjos 2.6

RF Torii Hunter 3.4

DH Mike Napoli 4.0

RECAP: As expected, this is where the Halos give a lot of ground back to the Rangers; but surprisingly not the A's. The Rangers rep the most potent lineup in the division with a monster 32.3 WAR. The A's fall behind with only one player projected for a WAR over 3, and a newly acquired DH projected as a bust. Meanwhile, despite some obvious holes, strong projections for Torii, Kendry, and Napoli along with potential mini-breakouts from Howie and Bourjos give the Angels a 22.9 WAR in their starting lineup; just ahead of Oakland at 21.7.

BENCH

Athletics

Landon Powell 0.5

Adam Rosales 1.0

Steve Tolleson 0.1

Rajai Davis 1.5

Ryan Sweeney 1.5

Rangers

Matt Treanor 0.0

Andres Blanco 0.0

David Murphy 1.8

Craig Gentry -0.1

Chris Davis 0.0

Angels

Bobby Wilson 0.2

Brandon Wood -0.4

Maicer Izturis 1.7

Juan Rivera 0.6

Reggie Willits 0.1

RECAP: The A's make up some ground on the division here with their outfield depth. They lead with a bench WAR of 4.6 compared to the Halos 2.2 and the Rangers 1.7.

What does it all mean? 

The FanGraphs community projects the Angels to be the pitching class of the AL West with the best rotation in the division and nearly dead even for the best bullpen next to Texas. The Rangers horrid rotation gives Oakland the silver medal.

As expected, the Rangers lineup is far and away the best in the west with the Oakland just above the Halos (if you include the benches), but considerably behind Texas.

In summary, the Rangers have a lineup well out of the Angels league. However, the same can be said about the Halos rotation. The A's fall in the middle of the pack both offensively and defensively.

How does it all shake down?

The FanGraphs community projects Oakland's 25-man roster at 47.1 WAR; good enough for third place in the AL West.

Texas just edges out Oakland with a WAR of 48.7.

Our Halos..... 49.6.

Maybe we aren't dead in the water after all?

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Great post

I really hope it works out that way

"Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem".

by ArchAngel_7 on Jan 5, 2011 1:18 AM PST reply actions  

Great write up

I don’t really see a guy like Colby Lewis doing what he did last year though. But hopefully Webb doesn’t pitch like he did before the injuries. It kind of looks like the rangers of old; great offense but mediocre pitching.

We're still gonna fly flags

by Sorbo182 on Jan 5, 2011 2:20 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Well done, fellow bar room hero.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 5, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

at least you got laid

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by 2pintsofbooze on Jan 5, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm glad you did this...and that it's been received relatively well so far by HH'ers.

With all the worrying, crying, fretting, griping, compaining, moaning, bellyaching, carping, and whining that’s been the drumbeat for a while, I’m glad that someone else sees that the sun is going to come up tomorrow

…..and the Angels are going to do just fine.

by wumbug on Jan 5, 2011 4:50 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks for this

The projections of Napoli, Kendrick, and Kazmir seem high to me, but I sure hope they come true. Just think how much better we would or could be if we cut Wood, benched Mathis, and started Conger. The kid would just have to be replacement level to give us a significantly positive contribution in WAR.

by Brody on Jan 5, 2011 5:22 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Cutting wood is great exercise

Excellent cardiovascular workout.

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by George Kaplan on Jan 5, 2011 5:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Not to worry

Soth will only let Nap play in half the games anyway…..oh wait

"Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem".

by ArchAngel_7 on Jan 5, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

look, everyone knows the Angels pitching is great, problem is we have the same

or possibly less offense and defense as we had last year. Weaver, Santana, Piniero, and Haren/Saunders all pitched their collective asses off last year, Weaver should have been undefeated but no one could score a run, when they got on base they got picked off trying to steal or Mathis came up to hit into a double play. I would be shocked if more than one of the Angels improved over last year in offense. We have the exact same team as last year that came in 3rd, look for us this year to compete for 2nd and forget the playoffs if this is the team we field. Unless they super glue Mathis to the bench he is gonna play, so that throws out WAR projections being important because he is a rally/momentum killer.

12/14/10 4:30 a.m. pst. I wake up to find out that Cliff Lee screwed over both the Yankees and Rangers. The world has truly become a better place.

by steelgolf on Jan 5, 2011 5:30 AM PST reply actions  

We have BETTER offense than last year.

Whether or not it’s better ENOUGH is the question.

by firebird81 on Jan 5, 2011 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Really?

Because Morales is back?

by mustard_man on Jan 5, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

BIG SPLASH

Reggie Willits: The non-tender candidate of my dreams.

by hauldog on Jan 5, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

In an alternate world where you don't bring back the second most productive batter

do you get BETTER.

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by clover_black on Jan 5, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Saunders pitched his ass off?

What season were you watching?

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by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 5, 2011 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

the big deal here

is either getting something for johnny rivers or dumping mathis from the lineup. if you dump mathis and give the job to naps with wilson covering (and conger getting playing time in SLC) and let abreu DH, I think we’re all right. Especially if we add a bat via trade.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Jan 5, 2011 5:38 AM PST reply actions  

Is Wright's WAR accurate if he is just a DH?

Should it get worse if they start floating him around the infield?

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by George Kaplan on Jan 5, 2011 5:54 AM PST reply actions  

it's a good analysis

although I would put Frank Francisco in the Rangers bullpen over Mark Lowe, and I think David Murphy will play over Borbon (with Hamilton shifting to CF).

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by willamos2 on Jan 5, 2011 6:02 AM PST reply actions  

Wrong

Washington has already stated Hamilton in left, Borbon in center.

by dmhead on Jan 5, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

And a full year of CF

doesn’t seem like a smart way to keep Hamilton’s bat in the lineup.

So, uh, go ahead and do that, Warsh.

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by LAASurfin on Jan 5, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Read again

Hamilton will be in LEFT for that very reason. The call was made very early on in the offseason.

by dmhead on Jan 5, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay, I read it again

and I still agree with you.

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by LAASurfin on Jan 5, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Got it

I mis-interpreted your original reply.

by dmhead on Jan 5, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

oh, i'm sure he'll say that

i’m just expecting Borbon to be a complete disaster which will prompt Washington to get Murphy into the lineup.

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by willamos2 on Jan 5, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Great write-up.

There are too many factor’s to know how the season will play out.

What helped the Angels 2005-2009 was relatively weak divisional competition. Oakland has generally had strong pitching and a weak offense. Texas has been the opposite. Seattle has been…a mess. Texas and Oakland improved last year. (Though Texas lost Lee, they had him for only 1/3 of the season. They established themselves as divisional leader without Lee.)

I don’t see the division getting any easier for our Angels in 2011.

by sothball on Jan 5, 2011 6:04 AM PST reply actions  

alsoconsidering Lee

was4-6 with a 3.98 ERA in the season for Texas. I wouldn’t consider him being the reason Texas won like alot of people around the baseball world. You’re right though, Texas was winning before LEE got here and he didn’t do much in the regular season.

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by dubious on Jan 6, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh gawd, here we go again....

“We’ll win with what we’ve got” lemmings will be going wild.

by mustard_man on Jan 5, 2011 6:07 AM PST reply actions  

Abreu won't be playing LF, so his - WAR on D will go away

But that will also cut into Napoli’s playing time, probably.

by mattwelch on Jan 5, 2011 6:54 AM PST reply actions  

There's a certain irony here...

…that after collectively belittling such pre-season projections in years past when we were on top and they ‘regressed our excellence to the mean’, that we should be clinging to them now as a sign of hope.

Projections – the last refuge of fans who secretly expect their team to do badly.

p.s. Excellent work by the way BigGame48, please forgive my cynicism

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by The Limey on Jan 5, 2011 6:58 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Irony?

I think we’ve all just been humbled.

by dmhead on Jan 5, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I feel

Much better now, hopefully the halos are in 1st place by the trade deadline and then they trade for a big bat.

Big Daddy J

by Halo fann 2002 on Jan 5, 2011 8:19 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

The A's...

I think they’re going to be better than some people think/project. They traded for TWO outfielders that the Angels should have looked at if they weren’t going to “spend what it takes” and also added Matsui; who, despite his slumps, was the 2nd best hitter on our team last year.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 5, 2011 8:29 AM PST reply actions  

great write up

I however have little to no confidence that Webb will be a viable pitcher for the Rangers.

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by hauldog on Jan 5, 2011 8:32 AM PST reply actions  

This is what I've been thinking...

We’re nowhere near as bad shape as we think we are. Every year, tho, we lose out on big signings and everyone freaks out. Peter Bourjos is a huge upgrade in our outfield over what we had most of last year. His batting average was what you would expect from a kid’s first real exposure to the Majors. What I think is more important is the hits he did get…the kid can mash, good, solid, extra base clutch hits. I think that bodes very well for his future prospects as a hitter. He’s no Brandon Wood.

Don’t underestimate the value of Kendry coming back, either. A legitimate power threat forces pitchers to pitch to the players around him. Want a reference? Josh Hamilton put up a batting average 40 points above the best he ever had last year….a hot Vlad Guerrero batting behind him, scaring the SHIT out of pitchers had a LOT to do with that.

Then there’s our new relievers,solid guys. There’s Dan Haren——who kicked ass for us last year. If Santana is truly coming into his prime…..guys, it ain’t as bad as it feels right now. We are a substantially better team than the one we saw most of last year.

by firebird81 on Jan 5, 2011 8:36 AM PST reply actions  

OK

- what level of production are you expecting from Bourjos in 2011. What’s his slash line going to be at the end of the season (avg / OBP %/ SLG %)

- who bats behind Kendry…Rivera? Napoli? Howie? Are you saying that Rivera, Napoli or Howie = Vlad?

by mustard_man on Jan 5, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I really don't like Howie in the 2 hole,

 he’s never going to be the batting champion he was projected to be and he will hit into a shitload of double plays.

by jtkelly86 on Jan 5, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was iffy on it as well

But we need someone there with some speed and the ability to hit at least .280. Howie has done that more consistently than Aybar, who is the only other real option IMO.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 5, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah. Swap Collapser and HK47.

Aybar
Callaspo
Torri
KMo
Naps
Juancho
HK47
Aybar
Bourjos

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by red floyd on Jan 5, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh shizzle

Aybar’s gonna bat twice??

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by LAASurfin on Jan 5, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

erick and willy

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by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 5, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Oops. Chupa should have been leadoff.

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by red floyd on Jan 5, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think this is realistic

We should just accept the fact that the lineup will include Mathis on most nights. The lineup you suggest might be used in 25% of the games. In general, however, we are more likely to go with:

Abreu (LF), Kendrick (2B), Hunter (RF), Morales (1B), Napoli (DH), Callaspo (3B), Aybar (SS), Mathis (Ca), Bourjos (CF)

by Brody on Jan 5, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

it's who bats in FRONT of Kendry.

got that, Chicken Little? Seriously, do you just come here to blast the team?

by firebird81 on Jan 5, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Depth over Impact

Scioscia rightfully said we needed depth and so now we have Aybar, Kendrick, Izturis and Callaspo as our infield depth and, when we sign Podsednik, Rivera and Abreu as outfield depth.

The problem? If Hunter or Morales go down or have bad years, this team is awful again. We have useful depth but no depth where it matters 1-9

RIP Nick Adenhart

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 5, 2011 8:41 AM PST reply actions  

Maybe all is not lost if a mediocre trade can take place

We tried (I guess thats what you’d call it) on FA and failed.
Maybe that Aramis Ramirez isn’t such a bad idea now.

Aramis Ramirez projected WAR 3.1

that improves us significantly-2.1 WAR higher than what we have currently while probably getting rid of some dead weight in other areas

Moves our 25 man WAR to 51.7
Also considering that a Rivera or Callaspo plus a minor leaguer would be involved in the trade, we wouldn’t be losing too much WAR from the bench or field. something that is easily replaceable by internal parts- maybe 2.2 WAR lost but replaced by better parts.

If our pitching, bullpen and rotation, are as good as advertised and projected, then this trade that improves our offense is simply a must do.

Now consider a trade for Aramis and a FA signing of Posednik. our lead-off situation is better, LF defense is better (not great but better), better power #’s with the addition of ramirez and great pitching.

Sounds like a race in the AL West to me with those additions.
We lost out but can still make some noise. That is if the former Ninja can pull the trigger

How come when players go to Texas they revitalize their careers? could it be the roids?

by Sinatrasratpack on Jan 5, 2011 8:43 AM PST reply actions  

Forget Podsednik

Just package Kazmir in that deal and have the Cubs send over Fukudome, too.

Good defensive corner outfielder with lead-off skills? Check.

Slugging third baseman? Check.

Kazmir, Rivera and Callaspo out of Anaheim? Priceless.

by dmhead on Jan 5, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Sure he's overpaid

But wouldn’t you rather overpay for him than Kazmir? Fukudome is essential Bobby Abreu but he can actually field his position. Had Pinella not been such a turd, Fukudome would have had a full season of AB’s and that WAR would have been closer to 3.0, like the year before.

by dmhead on Jan 5, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

turd might actually be the funniest word ever. Have someone say it to you next time you are drunk.

How come when players go to Texas they revitalize their careers? could it be the roids?

by Sinatrasratpack on Jan 5, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

OK

- what level of production are you expecting from Bourjos in 2011. What’s his slash line going to be at the end of the season (avg / OBP %/ SLG %)

- who bats behind Kendry…Rivera? Napoli? Howie? Are you saying that Rivera, Napoli or Howie = Vlad?

by mustard_man on Jan 5, 2011 8:45 AM PST reply actions  

Lol....we have a -.2 WAR.

That in itself is embarassing. But as they say, Good pitching beats out good hitting. Go Halos!

Kohnfed.

by angelskid2210 on Jan 5, 2011 8:56 AM PST reply actions  

This makes my day.

Now I guess I gotta go and pay it forward. Thanks, bro.

I meant the OTHER Howard!

by agent_99 on Jan 5, 2011 8:58 AM PST reply actions  

Wasn't Rajai traded to Toronto?

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by Teixeira Who? on Jan 5, 2011 9:09 AM PST reply actions  

I thought so too...

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 5, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps he was

Like I said I may have missed 1 here or there but that would only help our case as I doubt their sub bench player has a WAR around 2

by BigGame48 on Jan 5, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

No worries

It acutally made me a little more happy that I could pull his WAR out of the mix. Also, great research and great post.

Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.

by Teixeira Who? on Jan 5, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you Turks

There were a few that raised eyebrows for me too, but I noticed them across the board. I don’t have time to go into them right now. The point of the article wasn’t supposed to be an end-all-be-all “we are the favorites in the division”… Rather just highlighting that it should be a pretty tight race and the Halos may not be as doomed as we have made them out to be.

by BigGame48 on Jan 5, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's an understandable mistake.

The data is just not scientific, and I’m not even convinced it’s internally consistent.

We can’t draw the conclusion that this is a pretty tight race when the conclusion is drawn from bad data that inflates the Angels’ strength while not doing the same to the points of comparison within our division.

by Turks Teeth on Jan 5, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

We can’t conclude it’s a tight race until well into the race. All this WAR bullshit is little more than that…bullshit.

by firebird81 on Jan 5, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude this post was supposed to make us feel better

You’re ruining our buzz

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by ryanfea on Jan 5, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Sorry -- the data that was used might as well have been created using a random number generator.

It’s not even the same fan group rating each set of teams. There’s no consistency from team to team.

They have Josh Willingham coming in at a projection of 2.6, which is completely believable since that’s about what he’s delivered in each of the last three seasons. But then they have Howie Kendrick at a 3.2 WAR projection, when he’s never delivered more than 2.3 WAR in his best season.

This is false hope, boys and girls.

by Turks Teeth on Jan 5, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't like you much today

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by 2pintsofbooze on Jan 5, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Turks,

Your counter-analysis really took a bite out of our hopes today. Those teeth are deadly.

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by angelslogic on Jan 5, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes it is very bogus

A fun exercise but very faulty results. The results of this exercise would have all three teams winning 95+ games. I will lick the authors balls if that is the actual result. If you want a better than half-ass estimation of team wins (again these are always estimations with sizeable margins of error) then use the Vegas win total over/unders or estimate based off of chances of winning the division. A more sane prediction would look something like.

1. Rangers 90 wins
2. Athletics 85 wins
3. Angels 80 wins
*4. Mariners 19 wins

  • - Denotes funny joke at Mariners expense.

by Xeifrank on Jan 5, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree about WAR being too high across the board

As you mentioned that would result in near 100-win seasons for all 3 teams. However, what is relevant is that they are all close, not the actual totals.

I began to take a look at these lineups using Bill James projections rather than the fans. What I have noticed is that the fan projections (to no surprise) are typically higher on all players regardless of which team… If I applied James projections throughout I would expect about a 10 WAR drop to each team placing them all in the mid 80s as far as wins this season.

by BigGame48 on Jan 5, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

A look a little deeper..

Shows the Rangers lineup WAR coming in at 29.4 from Bill James while the Angels at 19.5 for a difference of 9.9.

The fans projections showed 32.3 and 22.9 for a 9.4 difference so the Angels would concede a half of a win here.

Not an overwhelming difference.

by BigGame48 on Jan 5, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Correction

Angels pick up a half of a win..

Woot

by BigGame48 on Jan 5, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: WAR projections

Still, anything that projects the Angels as currently constructed to be on par with the Rangers (and even the Athletics) needs to go back to the drawing board. I would like the opposite of this to be true, but it is not.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 5, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Angels fans have had a pretty good run the last decade

But it looks like maybe we’re headed to the old days…

Look on the bright side though. Derek Jeter will probably be an Angel his last season before retirement. Click, click, BANG!

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by Monkeyspanked on Jan 5, 2011 9:34 AM PST reply actions  

I know how TR can fix things!

Trade Mike Trout for Michael Young….

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by Monkeyspanked on Jan 5, 2011 9:39 AM PST reply actions  

"Uhh yeah, GOLD might get you Jonas Brothers tickets. BLACK will have all three of them sucking your d***." Pat Anderson Assistant to the Assistant GM of Tampa

by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 5, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

That chick's phone number being texted to me

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 5, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

she is a lesbian because she is not in the kitchen or cleaning the house

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by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 5, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

MURDER

"Uhh yeah, GOLD might get you Jonas Brothers tickets. BLACK will have all three of them sucking your d***." Pat Anderson Assistant to the Assistant GM of Tampa

by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 5, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

was the case that they gave me?

Self-realization. I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "I drank what?"

The Geek.

by The OC Sports Geek on Jan 5, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

what if the question is, "how do you spell the word WAR."

How come when players go to Texas they revitalize their careers? could it be the roids?

by Sinatrasratpack on Jan 5, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Beltre

Callaspo’s 1.6 to Beltre’s 5.1 War is what really stands out to me. Swap those and you get a hefty 3.5 added War and you plug in Michael Young’s 2.4 at third instead of Beltre’s 5.1 for Texas and they lose out even when you add a DH.

Texas got better while making us worse by keeping Beltre out of our reach. REAGINS!!!!!!

by stereoscopic on Jan 5, 2011 10:11 AM PST reply actions  

I like this very much, even if it is somewhat overly optimistic

if the Halos can stay in it with their pitching there will most certainly be offensive pieces that can be added at the deadline that could help the team for the final push. The fact that SF just won the WS last year with that exact formula should ease the panic for Angels fans a little bit. Good pitching will always beat good hitting, so we still have a shot at this.

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN

by 2pintsofbooze on Jan 5, 2011 10:53 AM PST reply actions  

Agree

The AL West is a three team dogfight right now. My favorite Halo lineup would be: 1 Izturis 2B 2. Abreu LF/DH 3. Hunter RF 4. Morales 1B 5. Napoli C 6. Rivera LF/DH 7. Callaspo 3B 8. Bourjous CF 9. Aybar SS

by JeffJoiner on Jan 5, 2011 11:43 AM PST reply actions  

hmm

maybe switch Izzy to 3rd and bring back Howie? Howie has more value than Callaspo. .752 to .720 ops for their career.

by stereoscopic on Jan 5, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Tony is that you?

Reggie Willits: The non-tender candidate of my dreams.

by hauldog on Jan 5, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

No, we could tell it was Tony if the comment was:

  
“We’ll win with what we’ve got”
 
Sure sounds like something Barney would say to Big Bird…..

by mustard_man on Jan 5, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd settle with "We'll win with what we've got" if

What we got included Mike Napoli full-time and his counterpart Jeff as bench warmer.

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Jan 5, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

WAR, uuhh

Good God Y’all

What is it good for?

Absolutely nuthin

Well, come see a fat old man some time!

by Moondoggy on Jan 5, 2011 7:43 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

How does this measure up to the AL Central and East?

I’ll save you the time, it doesn’t.

Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.

by Teixeira Who? on Jan 5, 2011 9:13 PM PST reply actions  

yeah the great East,

they said that last year and Texas with thru the top two to the World series. Paper doesn’t win games.

"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."

Simon Noble

by dubious on Jan 6, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Ya can't trust the MFY to do ANYTHING right

But I was a bit disappointed in Joe’s boys.

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Jan 6, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

And the Central?

Also, I’m 90 percent sure that the east will smash the Angels.

Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.

by Teixeira Who? on Jan 7, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Predictions and all this stuff

cause it makes for good conversation. That’s about it , but I personally still enjoy it. I like the write up except a few things. I know its ahrd to get things right on other teams, cause well you don’t see them often as your own team.

Feldman is a rotation starter for us ? I guess the Texas front office missed that one. As the guy right now is coming off knee surgery and an after thought at this point to make the team.

Julio Bourbon? That low? I know again you don’t follow the Rangers but I think he is better than some that are rated higher than he is on here. Plus Murphy played 90 to 95 % of the time down the stretch and in the post season. So I wouldn’t really put him in front of Murphy.

Craig Gentry? He has played in a total of 31 games for the Rangersover 2 season. Mostly for late running purposes. I wouldn’t believe or think he can make the team out of Spring training based on the number of people vying for spots on the bench.

M Young a proven 300 hitter, veteran is lower than the likes of guys who were rookielast year on this WAR. I think that’s a little funny but that happens with peope predicting.

Anyways, I think the Angels havea very good rotation and the A’s also for that matter. I think Texas has the best lineup by far. I think Texas will be better than most people think pitching wise. It has shown since Ryan took over years back. Either way all three teams have a chance to win it and so many things happen over a season that isn’t projected ( injuries,underacheiving, overacheiving, etc. ) . I do believe the West is better than most baseball people think. It will be a competitive year and I look forward to it.

Good Luck…..Go Rangers!!!

"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."

Simon Noble

by dubious on Jan 6, 2011 10:38 AM PST reply actions  

I think
you give Mathis too much credit with -0.2 WAR. Maybe if we had the DH bat for him instead of the pitcher, than maybe Mathis can rack up -0.2 defensive WAR.

by phoenix15 on Jan 6, 2011 3:29 PM PST reply actions  

It is all about how they play that day. It not what on people think.

by Musicfan4 on Jan 6, 2011 10:45 PM PST reply actions  

Not to dis the WAR

…but the Rangers won the division with their rotation before Cliff Lee and after Dan Haren. Lee did very little in the regular season and Haren could not mitigate the difference then, why should he now?

by Atticus F on Jan 8, 2011 9:34 AM PST reply actions  

because
of their offense. A really good offense will take a team far, but unless a team has good pitching as well, the team starts falling apart, especially late in the season.

by phoenix15 on Jan 8, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Just Like

…the Rangers offense and lack of pitching kept them out of the playoffs and World Series last year? Looks to me like the Rangers have just as good pitching (regular season wise) as they did last year. Lee got them to the Series, but it was Colby Lewis who actually won games. Plus they have youngsters coming out of Nolan Ryan’s back pockets. What is Arte doing? Kicking the tires on Jeff Suppan? Watching as all hope of helping our anemic offense goes other places?

by Atticus F on Jan 19, 2011 12:47 PM PST reply actions  

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