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I keep hearing "you can kiss my season seats goodbye," ... "Arte is an idiot," ... "Reagins needs to be fired," or "we didn't get anything done this off-season."
It seems like we have all the bandwagon fans jumping ship - I say good riddance to you!

Star-divide

I can't say that I have been a fan since '75 (born in '84), or that I know every player that has come through the Angels system. I can say that I have followed the team everyday, from 1999 until today. From the OC Register's sports page while on my way to school, to getting a text message every time the game had a score while serving in the Marines, all the way up to today, reading about the team when they don't play to watching when they do.

What I can say is that I love this team, no matter what.

I don't have season seats, because I can't afford them. If I could I don't know if I would because 81 games is a lot to go to. I do live close so I don't have to pay to watch on TV, I know some of the fans here do.

Clearly the fans are that, "fanatics" and I love that about sports; however, if you don't have a solution then shut up. Anyone can say what the front office has done is wrong, but if you can't come up with a way to fix it then just quit.

I live baseball everyday and know that anything can happen. Who is to say that Carl Crawford and Adrian Beltre actually perform as well as in the past? I feel they will but what if they don't? It is too much of a risk.

I can't sit here and say I would have done differently. When you offer the same contract as another team to a player, Crawford, and the player chooses them, there is not much you can do about it.

I would like to see Mark Trumbo move to 3B, or trade him for one. Regardless of the rest of the off-season, I am excited to see our new Pen in action next year, and horrified to watch the Juan Rivera / Bobby Abreu teamwork in LF.

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But he has been playing some fall ball at the position, last I heard. I know they won’t play him in LF with Abreau playing there.

" Baseball was made for kids, and grown-ups only screw it up." ~Bob Lemon

by pendletonmike on Jan 7, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Then I stand corrected

" Baseball was made for kids, and grown-ups only screw it up." ~Bob Lemon

by pendletonmike on Jan 7, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

He suited for no position defensively. Much less third.

Reggie Willits: The non-tender candidate of my dreams.

by hauldog on Jan 7, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

that dance he does at the end is AWESOME

I think DOV found his new favorite gif, at least for the next couple of days.

I approve…again

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN

by 2pintsofbooze on Jan 7, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Uh oh

You’re not following the sky is falling line that seems to be dominating HH. Are you ready to be blasted?

I also am excited to see the pitching staff this year, then again I also believe the offense will be better than expected.

I play music for your entertainment

by Seik1177 on Jan 7, 2011 11:47 AM PST reply actions  

Trumbo is neither 3B material, nor trade bait for one

And part of the criticism here is of the apparent lack of Plan C. Oakland got two good corner outfielders for not much in return, and we got bupkus.

by mattwelch on Jan 7, 2011 11:59 AM PST reply actions  

Still pissed about DeJesus

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Jan 7, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

And Dunn.

Who cost markedly little compared to the rest of the top five bats on the market.

There were so many useful pieces not named Crawford or Beltre when this offseason started.

by Turks Teeth on Jan 7, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Dunn was the steal of the offseason by far.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Jan 7, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

And Adrian Gonzalez

who went to Boston in a trade. A process that, for him and what the Padres were expected to ask, too many people around here scoffed at as impossible.

When all is said and done, and the list of players whoe moved are put forth, the results of this FO in that particular hunting ground can only be classified as failure.

Longtime fan of what has become the State College Angels of East Anaheim

by Stirrups on Jan 7, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Mixed Response Regarding this One

I will start with the positive side of things. I agree and am very excited about the 2011 season. There are a lot of really good things about this team, regardless of some of our holes.

1. Our pitching rotation is the best in the division. YES, better than the A’s, stop looking at the damn ERAs. I think Kazmir bounces back and has a much better year.
2. The bullpen is solid with the addition of Downs and Takahashi. Those signings are vastly underrated IMO.
3. The lineup is not as bad as we make it out to be. Callaspo, Rivera, Abreu and Aybar all have a great chance to produce at a much higher level than 2010.

I think we will win the West. Call me overly optimistic.. or as some of you who think you know everything there is to know about baseball… can call me stupid, but I believe it!

Now for the negative part. Yes, I am tired of the bandwagon fans too… but… we need them. How do you expect to maintain a 100M+ payroll if people are not in the stadium. You have only been around since 1999 and didn’t go through times where the stadium was empty and EVERY TEAM’s fans outnumbered Angel fans. The only good part was buying a really cheap field seat and moving down between the bases.

Texas improved their offense, but their rotations is weak!

Oakland has a strong rotation and improved their offense, but are we really scared of Matsui, DeJesus, and Willingham? I would argue we have a better rotation and comparable offense.

Do you really think we can’t compete with the A’s and Rangers? The Rangers will absolutely crush our offense, but our pitching will keep us in a lot of games.

Light up the Freakin Halo!

by marshgr on Jan 7, 2011 12:28 PM PST reply actions  

Well defined points.

I say, let’s Play Ball and see what happens. W/o Lee, Texas may be vulnerable and Beltre can still turn into a liability for them. As far as Oakland Goes, they look to be pretty competitive and I am sure they are looking to build on Last Season’s results. As for the Angels, I like our chances.

I won’t lie and say I thought more would happen this off-season, but that being said, what is done is done. Let’s see what happens when balls get pitched, batted, caught and thrown on the diamond. Go Halos!

by Angelsfan015 on Jan 7, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

if you don’t have a solution then shut up. Anyone can say what the front office has done is wrong, but if you can’t come up with a way to fix it then just quit.

you must’ve missed the 10 thousand or so comments/posts/tangents about how playing Napoli over Mathis would greatly help this team, or how getting rid of the BP roles would be a good idea, and instead focused on a post where a guy SHARES season tickets and now can’t renew because the OTHER PEOPLE aren’t willing to fork over the cash to do so.

overall, it seems like most people are pissed because with the bitter taste of a losing season still in their mouths, the team hasn’t done much to get better in its areas of need (mainly offense). this is understandable, especially after the lofty expectations that were created, whether by media hype for Crawford/Beltre, or by words possibly being put in Arte’s mouth. Either way, most of us bought into it. Not really our fault.

also, I would bet that 95% of the people who say they won’t be going to any games, or won’t get their MLBTV package are just venting and once ST starts will get that renewed hope that is there prior to every season, and they will be there, whether on the couch or in the stadium, come opening day.

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN

by 2pintsofbooze on Jan 7, 2011 12:33 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Well said, Sir.

Once the season starts, this off-season will be a memory and the present will dominate our thoughts including actual game results.

by Angelsfan015 on Jan 7, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with everything you just said...

I feel that Napoli is an improvement offensively; however, I feel that a full season of Conger will be better then both of them together. Naps proved that he can hit for power, and that he is a streaky hitter. The catching situation sucks right now and I am not a fan of either of our main players, but I do feel that after the end of last season Conger is capable of playing on a regular basis.

As for the season ticket comment, it was not directed at AngelMike in any way, nor was it at anyone on this site. It’s from people who come through my work everyday and it bugs the crap out of me.

" Baseball was made for kids, and grown-ups only screw it up." ~Bob Lemon

by pendletonmike on Jan 7, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

oh ok

maybe you should have mentioned that this post wasn’t aimed at HH members, but more the people in your life who have commented on it. it reads like you’re saying it to us.

but I’m in the same boat, whenever someone sees my Angel hat they make a comment about how the team is going to suck this season. they are obviously casual fans since once I start talking about certain guys stepping up, the BP and other specifics, they get completely lost and have a look like they wish they hadn’t have brought it up. its awesome.

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN

by 2pintsofbooze on Jan 7, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Are these the same people that said last season that Seattle would take the division?

I ran into a few of them before the season started. Once it was a month in, they had disavowed ever saying such a thing. Go figure….

by Angelsfan015 on Jan 7, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

Most of the doom and gloomers have “ways to fix it” sports blog posters tend to think of themselves as General Managers who are smarter than the real GMs

by Beat The Red Sux on Jan 8, 2011 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Mathis

All they have to do is DFA Mathis and some of the negativity will ease. The keeping of Jeffy Ballgame is boggling my mind like some of Mike Ports trades back in the day. If they would just admit that poop stinks and get it off the menu, I think a lot of us would stop wondering if the FO has gone insane or just stopped caring all together.

But apparently Soth and TR have watched Young Guns II too many times and understand the meaning of the word pals. Awesome cliches like “You gotta score runs to win a game.” still need to fall from Gubbies mouth… cause the FO still hasn’t heard it.

Still, the AL West will be a dogfight, and we’ll maybe have 85 incredibly boring wins. I love the Angels, so I’ll watch most of them and try and stay awake. I’m sure we’ll all pep up come the 6th 7th and 8th innings when our big splash free agents rear their heads from beyond the bullpen fence.

Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet

by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Jan 7, 2011 2:06 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

There's a difference between Criticism and Whining

There’s a lot of the latter going on around here and has since July ’10.

I’m not really pissed about the off season
Am I disappointed? Yes
Do I disagree with some of the decisions that were made? Yes

Its all about prospective. I love this team & have sported the colors since the mid 80’s & will continue to do so but I have other issues in my life that I’ll save being pissed off for.

I play music for your entertainment

by Seik1177 on Jan 7, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

you mean DOV?

"Don't turn the channel, ... no matter what the score is." -David Eckstein

by princeton11loveshalos on Jan 7, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

i dont whine

Supplier of Angels Fans Since 2009

by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 7, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

it was a reference to the adolescent fans

I joke

"Don't turn the channel, ... no matter what the score is." -David Eckstein

by princeton11loveshalos on Jan 7, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Now I agree with moondoggy

Venting frustration and proposing ideas are the right of any fan. Being upset over what one perceives as a bad or foolish move is only natural if a person really does care about the team. That said, actually dumping a loyalty because of a losing season or worse, beginning to follow another team, well that thought is almost alien to me. No, Angles baseball has been in my blood since I was 10 years old, no way to get it out now.

"Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem".

by ArchAngel_7 on Jan 8, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

An owner says they will

but you dont want them to waste there money GMJ

Supplier of Angels Fans Since 2009

by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 8, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

personally, I don't care if they waste "there money"

I want a product on the field that’s competitive and I can feel proud of. Wasting, overspending…that’s all relative. With risk, there’s reward, but also failure. Finally, just because I expect someone to do what they say they will, doesn’t mean I expect them to do it badly.

Well, come see a fat old man some time!

by Moondoggy on Jan 9, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

There money. There castle.

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Jan 10, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

SedaGIVE??????

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Jan 17, 2011 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

That and about 90% of them

Are those that are non frequent or uneducated HH posters.

"Jeff Mathis is like Robb Quinlan without the sex appeal" - Sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher

by ryanfea on Jan 7, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Like those 16 year olds?

Damn i hate those 16 year olds

" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter

by Halos2011champs on Jan 8, 2011 12:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

i am have kids

but i am still younger then most of you old farts

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by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 8, 2011 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

You can haz cheezburger also

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Jan 10, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Great post Turk.

It isn’t our job as fans to be the GM of this team. Offering advice is everyone’s prerogative, yet who in the hell believes that anything we say will ever lead to the FO doing something based on our humble comments.

I think it’s silly when someone says not to complain unless you have a plan to fix it, as if having a plan makes you a credible and worthy fan. I say bitch all you want, plan or no plan. Isn’t the ability to question authority a respected, if rarely used character trait?

This is the space where you write a clever quote or something like that.

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 7, 2011 4:32 PM PST reply actions  

Excellent point

Nothing we post is going to cause Reagins to jump out of his seat and run into Arte’s office yelling Boss!, Boss!! Look at this!

"Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem".

by ArchAngel_7 on Jan 8, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Which bridge pendletonmike?

Do we have to take the bridge first or has it already been captured?

Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.

by 44FAN on Jan 7, 2011 5:18 PM PST reply actions  

I feel I might fall into this Whiner category

though I live 100 miles away and I am poor, so I have no season tickets to use as leverage in my bitching. Funnily enough, I never wanted Crawford or Beltre. In fact, I was far more angry about the Angels turning their backs on Vlad than I am about anything they’ve done this off season. Watching my little girl’s eyes well up with tears when I told her Vlad was leaving is the type of thing that leaves a bitter taste.

 But really, the big problem I have, and the reason my posts are full of such venom for Arte and Co. is all the big talk. We all know by now what Arte said, and I could swear there was a quote from Reagins before he left for the winter meetings that he would “come back with somebody” and of course we know what all this big talk got us. I really feel betrayed by them both. And further, i don’t feel like either one of them are terribly bright. Shooting off ones mouth like this is something I’d expect from drunken fans, not the owner and gm of the team.

Obviously I don’t speak for everyone, but I really feel that the hate and “whining” wouldn’t be anywhere near the level it is if the powers that be had kept their mouths shut. Sure there would be a degree of disappointment, but nothing like what we are seeing now.

"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST

by No Bologna Polonia on Jan 7, 2011 5:55 PM PST reply actions  

Same for me: 100 miles away and "big talk".

Nothing to do with ditching the team.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Jan 7, 2011 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah me too

While i would like to have gotten Crawford, if they had just said it isn’t gona happen I would have been okay with it. It is the fact that we look like noobs that bothers me.

"Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem".

by ArchAngel_7 on Jan 7, 2011 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

well yeah...

how about another coast, and can only watch games when they play the Phillies/Orioles/Nationals and I don’t have much leverage at all.

top that! (i hate that sarcasm isn’t as easily detectable online)

by Halos in DE on Jan 9, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I should make a fanposts about my Angel Fandome Credentials

and tell other people to shut the fuck up. Need more of those at HH… along with the elusive whiners who are jumping ship (haven’t really seen one, but, I’m sure they’re out there).

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Jan 7, 2011 6:18 PM PST reply actions  

"A thing of beauty is a joy forever".

My man John Keats said that. John Keats, that’s my man, You know that right?

"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST

by No Bologna Polonia on Jan 7, 2011 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Bud Black
When Bud Black left it was a huge void. It would take one heck of an argument to convince me that the pitching staff has not suffered with his departure

This. The decline of our bullpen can be directly traced to this, IMO.

Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch

by red floyd on Jan 7, 2011 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

No Star Power

I’ll admit, this is one gripe that I have, speaking of marketing. Why do the Angels refuse to market Kendry Morales? This is a guy who was getting MVP votes his last full season. Do you ever see him on a billboard, or painted on the entrance to the stadium or see his jerseys in Sports Authoritys, or anything like that? It really seems strange to me. Is it because he’s a Boras client and they’re uncertain about hanging onto him long term? It just seems like if he was on any other team they’d be marketing the hell out of him….

by AybarIsTheNewFiggy on Jan 7, 2011 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Very true...

I had to place my Morales jersey on special order. Maybe the reason for it, is that he’s changed his number so many times.

" Baseball was made for kids, and grown-ups only screw it up." ~Bob Lemon

by pendletonmike on Jan 10, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I've been calling it leftovers,

but I like “shyte sandwiches” better.

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Jan 7, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I know Zu doesnt do the offseason

"Don't turn the channel, ... no matter what the score is." -David Eckstein

by princeton11loveshalos on Jan 7, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

ha ha

Reggie Willits: The non-tender candidate of my dreams.

by hauldog on Jan 13, 2011 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Following this post will be one about the front office sucking

Followed by one bashing fans who whine
Followed by the post about the front office sucking
Followed by one bashing fans who whine
Followed by a gif by DOV.
Followed by the post about the front office sucking
etc.

Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.

by Teixeira Who? on Jan 7, 2011 9:18 PM PST reply actions  

Angels fans

Supplier of Angels Fans Since 2009

by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 7, 2011 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, as I sober up...

That’s really all there is to write about.

Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.

by Teixeira Who? on Jan 7, 2011 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

looking forward

to the next DOV vid

"Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem".

by ArchAngel_7 on Jan 8, 2011 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

The Best part about all this WHINING

is its because Plascke put words into Arte’s mouth

“It’s going to cost money, but our fans need to know what we’re committed to winning.”

He’s never quoted as saying he’d break the bank this off season

I play music for your entertainment

by Seik1177 on Jan 8, 2011 2:48 PM PST reply actions  

no, he said

“whatever it takes to return to the playoffs”. If you feel that 2 lefties are enough then you should feel he has done enough. I would point out that many fans and, by the tone of the articles written, the sports writers at large don’t feel he has done enough.

"Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem".

by ArchAngel_7 on Jan 8, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Bullpen help might bete key to being in a position to win though.

Last season too many games were out of reach by the time the offense woke up. Perhaps if we have a competent bullpen, we might have a shot at pulling out a victory that was a loss in the same sitch last year. I am willing to embrace whatever help we can get on our side.

I also hope that the offense wakes up and STAYS awake for longer than a month at a time this season!

by Angelsfan015 on Jan 8, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

yes the Angels needed bullpen help

but they need a lot more. The Angels don’t have a lot of thump in their lineup, Hunter is going downhill, will the Cuban Missile be back to form, the catching and third base debacle…the one thing about Figgy was that he was a pure leadoff hitter, one to turn the lineup over. Can Prince Peter be a leadoff hitter?

by Halos in DE on Jan 9, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Really

Then how come that line in the article isn’t quoted?

 Plascke put words into Arte’s mouth

I play music for your entertainment

by Seik1177 on Jan 10, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, clearly

which is why Arte has come out and vehemently denied Plascke’s report and made sure all us Angels fans realize that his comments were taken out of context and that his word is as strong as ever…

"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST

by No Bologna Polonia on Jan 11, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Show me a direct quote from Arte

Saying whatever it takes to return to the playoffs, Plaschke used that to get everyones attention & get Angels fans excited and get more people to read his trash.

Apparently Plaschke did his job well and a lot of people fell for his ruse.

I play music for your entertainment

by Seik1177 on Jan 12, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Plashke wrote his opinion, that's what he gets paid for.

What’s Arte gonna do, come out and say Plaschke’s opinion was wrong, what good would that do? The story is already out there. Even if he did come out & say Plaschke’s opinion was wrong, what would your reaction be? I’m guessing something along the lines of oh he’s back peddling now, he never wanted to improve the team.

The only quote he’s given is the one that is above. Everyone read the teaser & assumed it was Arte talking.

I’m not thrilled with this offseason, but at least lets get our facts straight people.

I play music for your entertainment

by Seik1177 on Jan 12, 2011 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

If he did that

Would it really make you feel any better about the off season?

I play music for your entertainment

by Seik1177 on Jan 12, 2011 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

At this point no

But earlier in the off season, yes it would have. I would have been willing to give him the benefit of the doubt back then. Now that he’s become a laughing stock and has been made to look like something of a shady character (because now on top of the “spend whatever it takes” horse shit there is “we never offered Crawford a deal” when it seems pretty obvious to everyone who isn’t a mongoloid that they did) no it would not make me feel better in the least.

 I still, however, can not imagine a man in his position sitting back and not saying a word while his name is dragged through the mud had he not actually made the remarks. He comes off as a pretty proud and emotional guy. I really feel he would have come out and said something if he felt he was wronged in any way. Instead he came out and whined that he wasn’t the Yankees or the Red Sox… which to me further reinforced that he made the original remarks and was trying to back pedal. That’s just my perception though

"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST

by No Bologna Polonia on Jan 12, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I like your post a lot.

I HAVE been a fan since ‘61. In the 50 years, I’ve enjoyed exactly one World Series win. It was exhilarating. Maybe we’ll win another WS in my lifetime, maybe we won’t. Still I’ll always be a fan. I take the long view. Management comes, management goes. We sign free agents, we go with young players. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn’t.

I think management is doing the best it can. There are many other teams competing for the same players. Sometimes we get them sometimes we don’t. I appreciate passion for our team. I’m not here to argue with anybody. I’m just here to say I’m with the original poster. I will be a fan if we win, or we finish in last place.

Go Angels!!

World Series Champions. 2002.

by waters96 on Jan 9, 2011 11:40 AM PST reply actions  

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