The Case for Joe Blanton
This could be a trade that benefits both the Angels and the Philadelphia Phillies: The Angels deal LF Juan Rivera to the Phillies for SP Joe Blanton. A fringe prospect could be included by either side to sweeten the deal, if necessary.
How the Phillies benefit:
- The Phils have a need for a right-handed outfielder with some pop after Jayson Werth bolted for that ridiculous contract in Washington D.C. Juan Rivera had a sub-par 2010, but was still able to hit 15 HRs in 455 plate appearances.
- Rivera has a decent arm in the OF, but isn't exactly fast. Playing 100+ games in left in the bandbox in Philly would be a better fit than the same number of games in Anaheim.
- The Phils need a little salary relief after acquiring Cliff Lee in free agency. Blanton could cost $9 Million after performance bonuses in both 2011 and 2012. Juan Rivera will cost $5.25 Million in 2011 and will be a free agent after the season. If he has a decent year, he could project as a Type B free agent, meaning he could possibly net the Phillies a supplemental first round pick should Rivera depart following the season.
- Joe Blanton figures to be the 5th starter behind the Four Horsemen of Roy Halladay, Lee, Roy Oswalt, and Cole Hamels. The Phillies have other 5th starter candidates, including Kyle Kendrick and Vance Worley, making Blanton the most logical trade bait.
How the Angels benefit:
- Joe Blanton is a solid back of the rotation starter. He is very hittable, however he walks very little. His home runs allowed should drop some if half of his starts are in a better pitcher's park. He has pitched very well in Anaheim during his stint in Oakland. Baseball-Reference.com finds Blanton to be a similar comp to Aaron Cook, Jake Westbrook, and the Angels' own Ervin Santana. Personally, Blanton's stats remind me of Joel Pineiro.
- Blanton has been remarkably durable, logging no less than 29 games started per year since his first full season in 2005.
- Blanton represents protection against another disastrous season from Scott Kazmir or from injury to another Angels starter. He could also be trade bait at the trading deadline should the Angels be out of the race or if Jered Weaver, Ervin Santana, Haren, Joel Pineiro, and Kazmir are all performing admirably.
- The Yankees are supposedly interested in Blanton. Any chance to further weaken the "Evil Empire" should not be ignored.
- Blanton is signed through 2012. If he does well in 2011, it would be easier to let Pineiro go after this walk-year. Kazmir is also signed through 2011 with a club option for 2012. If he bombs, the Angels will pay him a buyout to depart following this coming season.
- After striking out on Crawford and Beltre, the Angels could likely afford to take on the $3.75 Million salary differential from Rivera to Blanton and also the $9 million in 2012.
- I've been a fan of Juan Rivera since he arrived in the thievery that was the Jose Guillen trade, however it seems that he could use a change of scenery and a chance to play more often. The Angels need to free up a spot in the outfield for a leadoff hitter, most likely a batter like Johnny Damon or Scott Podsednik.
If you are looking for a deal to "save" the off-season for the Halos, this isn't it. However, I believe that this could be a trade that will benefit both teams and both players.
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I wouldn't mind this deal
So long as we sign a capable defender for left. If this happened, would the Angels move Kaz to the bullpen?
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Chris Pettit
Cross your fingers and hope he has a great spring.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 8, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
I'm with you on Pettit.
Health and opportunity are all he needs to shine, in my very humble opinion.
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Haven't heard a word.
But I’ll still root for him and hope he gets an opportunity.
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This is spot on.
Makes a lot of sense I think. As long as Mike Trout never gets traded I’m good.
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Prospects
prospects are risky, they will win you a title or put the team in a horrible position (brandon wood).
by angelsfan101 on Jan 14, 2011 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Your points are all solid.
I wouldnt mind it. Our rotation would deffinetly be stronger
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by Halos2011champs on Jan 8, 2011 10:03 AM PST via mobile reply actions
The Case for Joe Blanton could have just been "He's not Scott Kazmir." and I would have been sold.
by ~MMP~ on Jan 8, 2011 10:41 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Haha, alright then.
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I'm uncertain with both as well
However the Angels need someone at the top. Aybar can’t cut it and I don’t think Abreu will be considered at leadoff. Between the two, I’d pick Damon. Better OPB and gap power, even if he throws like a girly-man.
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I don't want either.
They’re both old. Our outfield is already littered with aging veterans. I sure hope Bourjos can hit, cause if he can he could be our solution at leadoff. If he could hit .275 I’d be happy. He’ll be good for 30 SB if he gets a full year in, with potential to be 40 to 50.
by moralesforpresident on Jan 9, 2011 1:47 AM PST up reply actions
Well our SB leader for last year was ..........
Abreu !!! Looking at our roster I would have thought maybe 3rd or 4th in SBs. Just goes to show he maybe the most intelligent baseball player on the team, at least baseball wise. Of course the other players were hindered by the fact that THEY COULDN’T GET ON BASE IN THE FIRST PLACE! Which brings me to the recent Reagins quote “we will be a better offensive team in 2011” as I read this at 5 a.m. on a Sunday morning I said to myself “I really want to kick this guy right in the nuts to give him a wake up call” I would like to have a charity carnival in the stadium parking lot and instead of a “dunk tank”, have a “Kick Reagins in the nuts” booth. my guess is the line would wrap around the parking lot with many opting to get in line numerous times ie: “And this is for being late to the winter meetings”, And this is for not DFAing Mathis, etc., etc.
12/14/10 4:30 a.m. pst. I wake up to find out that Cliff Lee screwed over both the Yankees and Rangers. The world has truly become a better place.
..and this is for not re-signing Darren Oliver (thunk!)
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 9, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
This does make a lot of sense.
So you know the Angels won’t do it.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 8, 2011 11:12 AM PST reply actions
And you are basing this on their track record alone?
What are you – a pragmatic realist or something?
by Angelsfan015 on Jan 8, 2011 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
You forgot to mention how satisfying it would be
to beat the A’s with 2/5ths of their old rotation.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jan 8, 2011 12:28 PM PST reply actions
I think Blanton
would bring in more than Rivera but I may be wrong. Philly is definitely starved for salary relief
Blanton may require more than Rivera, you're right.
But it definitely wouldn’t be a top prospect, maybe just a fringe piece or two. The Phils don’t need to add any more salary, so anyone else at the ML level is out.
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The Phillies need minor leaguers
and I agree with the both of you, it will take more than Rivera to pry Blanton.
That's what I was thinking.
If all it would take to land Blanton is the frosted tipped 4th outfielder I’d do this deal tomorrow. I don’t think it would include a guy like Trout but maybe for some prospects, who was the Giant Dutchman we acquired from the Twins?
How is the catching situation in Philly? Blanton, for Rivera and Mathis or maybe Wilson and a low pitching prospect. I think that would be mutually beneficial.
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Creative. But, a priority?
Must. Get. Offense.
681 runs scored by the Angels in ‘10. Lowest total since 1994. Blanton doesn’t fix that.
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You're right, a trade for Blanton doesn't solve any offensive questions.
And it wasn’t intended to. However, it does exchange a useful piece that really doesn’t fit as the lineup currently stands (Rivera) and adds to a position of strength (SP), If a starter goes down or stinks it up, who comes in? Trevor Bell? Hisanori Takahashi? I say keep both of them in the ’pen.
It also opens a spot for a OF Free agent or an in-house solution, like the previously proposed Willits/Pettit combo. Trumbo is basically a younger, cheaper, and more powerful Rivera anyhow, albeit worse defensively.
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I actually think Bell might be a pretty awesome 5th starter this year if Kaz hasn't gotten it figured out fast...
He looked pretty good end of last season.
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by Monkeyspanked on Jan 8, 2011 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
I haven't quite given up on Kaz.
You don’t just forget how to pitch. He’s working his butt off this winter to bounce back. I doubt he’ll ever be what he was in Tampa Bay, but he can still be really good.
by moralesforpresident on Jan 9, 2011 1:50 AM PST up reply actions
Here's hoping...
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by Monkeyspanked on Jan 9, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
No, they don't forget, but young power pitchers with injuries often lose their ability to do so.
The guy was having a horrible year when we acquired him. What he’s going through shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.
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I agree...
I think there is more to the story. I know they said last year he radically changed his approach to preparing for the season. And I honestly think Kaz was starting to come around at the end of the season. I think he’ll look better in 2011 than in 2010. With a much improved bullpen, all we need is 6 innings from Kaz and with less pressure, he might be a lot better.
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From what I saw last season
Bell has average stuff. He may have done well in the minors but most of his starts and relief appearances were less than stellar.
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Baby Bozo has some talent
But he still looks like a middle reliever to me.
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Baby Bozo could be ok as a 5th starter.
But he still looks like a middle reliever to me.
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Intriguing
I think the salary bite would mean we’re done adding free agents, but by now that’s a selling point. I’ll take a Pettit/Willits leadoff platoon in LF until Trout comes, and I would say my prayers to the Aqua Buddha that I never have to again see Scott Kazmir, who could then go in a GMJ-style giveaway to Colorado or something.
You sure the Phils don’t also need a Premium backup catcher?
I'd never trade Mathis.
Unless someone was offering coupons to Del Taco or something like that. I hope beyond hope that Kaz turns it around, but like everyone else and justifiably so, I doubt it.
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Come to think of it, I have been dying for some tacos and fries lately.....
Say, can I get a few of those coupons as well?
Seriously, though – Who is out of the rotation if Blanton is the fourth or fifth starter? Kaz? Pinata?
by Angelsfan015 on Jan 8, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Kaz would be bumped
But it could end up being a 3 way competition in spring for the 4th and 5th starter spots, with the loser being dealt in a pre-season trade.
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rivera for blanton then pineiro for juan pierre...
pineiro and pierre are both in the last year of a contract and i can’t see either player sticking with either team after this upcoming season. the white sox could deal edwin jackson (who there were rumors about them doing previously) to the yankees for i forget the kids name but he’s the young, fast cheap outfielder. the halos and w.sox did a similar deal of players in the last year of their contract when we traded o. cabrera for garland.
But Pineiro has more value than Blanton
And Rivera probably has more value than Pierre. Why would we do this?
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Not really.
There is no one on the team to lead off, with the exception of Abreu (not sure if it’ll work), Aybar (who was atrocious), or maybe Bourjous (who would have to have an incredible spring to be offered that spot.)
Trading Rivera away for Blanton would greatly improve the rotation. Trading Pinero away to Chicago would hurt, but fixing that lead off spot in Left Field would be a win win.
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I'd rather us sign Podsednik
Then give something up to get Pierre
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Angels will probably suck this year anyways so I like the above idea of Willits/Pettit LF platoon
Hell no to Podsednik or Pierre or Damon. The only LF I’d take a flyer on is Milledge. Otherwise stay in house at this point.
No matter what I’m getting spring fever and am looking forward to getting this season started!
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by Monkeyspanked on Jan 8, 2011 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
Because the guy with .400 OBP just won't do?
Chris Pettit’s minor-league OBPs in healthy years have been .445, .411, and .386. He’s 59/71 in SB attempts, and he’s walked every 9 ABs. Reggie Willits’ lifetime OBP is higher than Juan Pierre’s.
Pierre played all 162 games every year from 2003-2007, batting leadoff, and led the league in plate appearances twice while finishing in the top 4 the other three years. How many times during those five years did he finish in the top 10 in runs scored? Zilcho. He never scored more than 100 runs. He did lead the league in caught stealing four times, though.
Why would Rivera have more value than Pierre?
He stole 68 bases last year, my friend. Enough said.
by moralesforpresident on Jan 9, 2011 1:52 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, one SB for every time he was actually on base.
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Brett Gardner?
Yankees aren’t giving him up unless they would have somehow signed a better OF like Crawford. There is no need to trade for Juan Pierre when there are comparable players sitting out there in free agency who would cost less and cost nothing in trade or draft picks. Pierre will cost $5 Million next year and who knows what he would really cost in trade with Kenny Williams and the White Sox.
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Agreed. The Pinstriped Ones are not going to deal Gardner.
He is a ballsy player in the field and they need his low salary to balance out the contracts of A-Rod and the like. Bottom line, he has a team friendly contract and is a benefit to the team.
by Angelsfan015 on Jan 8, 2011 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if there is any way Boston might trade Ellsbury.
Doubt it, but right now I’d rather have Ellsbury than Crawford based on overall value. Don’t get me wrong, Crawford is better. But Ellsbury is also getting paid just above the minimum, and he’s a true leadoff hitter.
by moralesforpresident on Jan 9, 2011 1:54 AM PST up reply actions
dont do it
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by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 8, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Don't don't do it.
Rivera in left sucks
by Wally's World on Jan 12, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
ok but i think pierre is better than pods and would be just like having a...
figgy-like presence at the top of the order
68 stolen bases in 2010. Enough said.
by moralesforpresident on Jan 9, 2011 1:55 AM PST up reply actions
Enough said. Enough said.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 9, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
this is like picking the hottest of the ugly chicks
by thejd on Jan 8, 2011 4:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Also an excellent point!
One hundred years ago, when I was a high school teacher/coach, I’d always use the joke…
“Just because you’re the valedictorian at (insert school name of this week’s opponent here), doesn’t mean you’re smart.”
Go Huskers! Go Halos! Tuck Fexas!
Hungry men don't turn down a meal.
Any meal.
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Tony Reagins looks like he's never turned down a meal.
If only free agent contract offers were like meals.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jan 9, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
No, he's another pitcher who suddenly became better by pitching in the NL.
Carlos Silva (terrible for M’s, great for Cubs) is another one of those in that category.
I love this team.
Interesting observation.
As you pointed out, he would not be to benefit from the switch of Leagues. The question is would he be effective in holding down the opposition’s offense enough to give the offense we have (such as it is) to wake up enough to score enough runs to have a shot at winning on a regular basis in the AL or would he revert to his previous AL performance levels?
Is there any history to go on relating to pitchers who go from the AL to the NL and back to the AL and what their performance looks like the second time around? Any examples that would be worth looking up? I can’t think of any is the reason I ask.
by Angelsfan015 on Jan 8, 2011 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
No, it's actually the opposite with Blanton.
The only thing that improved was his win total, a very deceptive stat. His ERA, ERA+ (adjusted ERA), and WHIP were all better in Oakland compared to Philly. Do we attribute that dropoff to a regression or to the ballpark? Maybe both. But Blanton isn’t a #1-3 guy in anyone’s rotation, however he could capably fill the 4th or 5th spots as the traditional “innings-eater”, at worst.
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All your points make a lot of sense
and i could see this conceivably happening but if we were going to trade rivera id rather try and upgrade the offense or bullpen (ryan madson?) as opposed to an already strong rotation… but this is a very solid idea
One time...
I'm actually shocked at all the positive comments about this trade proposal
Blanton is NOT a good pitcher. His ERA + was 84 which accounts for pitching in a bandbox. He is NOT athletic. He is due 9 million NEXT year??? WTF that is a horrible contract for at best the definition of league average.
If I was the Angels BTW this is what I would do for our 5th starter role....
Obviously Kaz = gone first of all
Secondly the Angels have a ton of depth in their bullpen this year and I’d take advantage of it. I’d tell 2 out of K-Rod part 2, Kohn, Walden, Bulger, Bell, Takahashi that they are going to be 3 inning starters and tag team starts. Tell the first 5 if they are chosen to go all out in their outings and leave nothing on the table. If they went 3 innings every 5 days they would get like 97 innings. They could also throw an inning on their throwing day if they were needed especially when they’d be pitching on 5 days rest because of an off day.
Logic behind this is it actually is much easier to find a guy that can go threw a lineup once. It’s hard to find a guy that can get guys out the 3rd or even 4th time through.
Agreed.
I would hate to see us give anything more than a bucket of baseballs for Blanton.
by moralesforpresident on Jan 9, 2011 1:56 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with some of what you said.
Blanton isn’t athletic at all. He does pitch half of his starts in a hitter’s paradise. He has an inflated contract that was signed before the market corrected itself. He should have a contract similar to that of Jon Garland, approximately $5 Mil a year. If Blanton would be acquired, it would cost approximately $13 Million for two seasons if you factor in the offset from dealing Rivera, who is looking more and more like a spare part to the Angels, considering their need to find a leadoff hitter. He’s only signed through the 2012 season and could be an effective replacement for Pineiro and Kazmir after this coming season. Blanton’s ERA+ of 84 in 2010 was the lowest mark of his career, and if you remove that one year, he’s an above-average pitcher whose career would look more like his 2009 season…making this a trade that I’d make.
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His career ERA+ is 99
which is almost exactly league average, and he’s already pitched through the prime of a husky pitcher’s career.
The last 3 years his ERA+ is 95. His rookie year in the majors was his best and since then he’s never been anything more than an innings eater. You don’t pay inning eaters 9 million in any year.
Fine, but if you go back four years, or just two years, you get a different figure.
His Wins Above Replacement totals still point out that Blanton has value. 2010 was his worst year, as I mentioned previously, and this buy low mentality could make this potential swap of these useful spare parts possible and beneficial to the Angels. But hey, just my opinion.
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A good position.
I don’t think that the front office would do it though, based on past performances of trades made and not made That being said, the Kazmir trade and to some extent, the Haren deal were surprises.
Can never have too much pitching
Don’t like the increase in payroll, but having a true competition for the 5th spot can only benefit the team.

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