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Angel Moneyball: Anaheim's Island of Misfit Toys

So I finally joined the rest of the baseball fan community and got around to seeing Moneyball last weekend. This is not a review of that movie. But the movie inspired the post because the movie is about the 2002 baseball season where Oakland loses in the ALDS. Of course the Angels fared better than Oakland in the playoffs that year, but in the movie they aren't mentioned.

The movie focuses on Billy Beane acquiring cheap undesirables from other teams that happen to have a high On Base Percentage or other solid statistically measured performance metrics. They acquire a number of players to fill the void left by high priced free agents. Billy Beane had a plan, but down in Anaheim the Angels were ironically doing the exact same thing. Whether or not Bill Stoneman was aware he was doing this at the time is uncertain, but that's exactly what he ended up doing with the 2002 Angels team. Consider the players below:

  1. David Eckstein.....   .363 OBP, 5.5 WAR, $280,000 Salary
  2. Scott Spezio.........   .371 OBP, 3.0 WAR, $2,275,000 Salary
  3. Brad Fullmer.....       .357 OBP, 3.0 WAR, $4,000,000 Salary
  4. Adam Kennedy.....   .345 OBP, 4.8 WAR, $375,000 Salary

Star-divide

These 4 players were all picked up by Bill Stoneman for relatively cheap (Kennedy is a notable exception in that he cost us Jim Edmonds, but his salary was low considering his performance). David Eckstein was an absolute steal off waivers and paid near the league minimum. Fullmer was a trade acquisition for 2002 at the expense of Brian Cooper and led the team in OPS that season (.888). Spiezio was a FA acquisition 2 years prior. What's most notable about the above four players, aside from being otherwise cheap compared to rest of the roster is that their On Base Percentage was very high.  For comparison all four of these players beat the majority of the Angels 2011 roster in OBP (Bobby Abreu and Alberto Callaspo are the only comparable players). What's even more depressing/astonishing is that these 4 were considered role players on the team and not even stars. They filled out the roster around Troy Glaus, Garret Anderson, Tim Salmon and Darin Erstad (who also had excellent seasons that year). In fact the only lousy position player on the team was Bengie Molina. Sosh's love of terrible catchers is apparently nothing new.

On the pitching staff, particularly in the pen, you had some real gems that were also part of the 2002 Angels' "island of misfit toys"

  1. Ben Weber ................ 1.6 WAR, $240,000 Salary
  2. Brendan Donnelly .... 1.4 WAR, $225,000 Salary
  3. Scot Shields ............. 1.2 WAR, $225,000 Salary

Weber was grabbed off Waivers, the other two farm callups. All 3 put up ERA in the low to mid 2 ranges.   These 3 guys were better than anyone in the 2011 Angels' bullpen not named Scott Downs. The above list also doesn't include notable relievers from that team:  Francisco Rodriguez and Troy Percival.

It's obvious that the 2002 Angels were a great team. What is impressive to me is how good these otherwise unheralded players actually were for that team, and how cheaply Stoneman acquired them. What is also fascinating is how impressive the 2002 Angels team OBP was. In fact the outperformed the heralded Oakland team that specifically focused on it. The Angels team OBP that year was a stellar .341 even with Erstad and Molina in the lineup. That trumped Oakland's .339, good enough for fourth in the league.

It's entirely possible the Angels won it all in 2002 because of "small ball" or "situational hitting".  But it's also pretty likely that they won because they had a team full of moneyballers putting up consistently good on base percentage statistics. Glaus, Salmon and GA murdering the ball and Erstad roaming Center Field probably helped too. Ironically their pythagorean w/l record was even higher than Scioscia delivered. They fell two games shy of where they should have won the division, statistically speaking. If anything Scioscia undermanaged the team.

Maybe Arte should walk down the office hall and see what Bill Stoneman is doing these days. Maybe Stoneman didn't realize what he was doing at the time, but this team was better than any other team Angel team since (sabermetrically speaking) and assembled for a lot less money.

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Good post, that team won because of good hitting. Seriously.

Also, Fullmer was acquired via trade for Brian Cooper – a flame-out pitcher.

How does this team win with this offense? Hey, anyone....DRAW A WALK!!!

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by jimmuscomp on Oct 26, 2011 4:30 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I thought Fullmer was signed as a free agent after he was non-tendered by another team.

Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.

by snowhor on Oct 26, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nevermind, I looked it up. Looks like we did trade for him.

For some reason, I remember some narrative from that off-season about picking a DH from among the non-tenders. Fullmer, Robert Fick and some other idiot who, like Fick, sucked were offered $1m and the first to say yes was going to be signed. Fullmer was it.

I don’t know why I remember it this way. Must be confused.

Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.

by snowhor on Oct 27, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're not the only one

I thought we had signed Fullmer as a FA as well. Maybe it’s because trading Brian Cooper didn’t exactly get anyone upset.

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by Gorbachav5 on Oct 27, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

The good old days

I also remember that the big money FA signings were Sele and Appier. Sele sucked and Appier was OK during the regular season but mediocre in the playoffs. Thank heavens for that bullpen (oddly enough Weber was pretty bad in the postseason and Shields was non-existent). It really was a 3 man show with Donnelly, K-Rod, and Percival.

by GoAngels! on Oct 26, 2011 4:54 PM PDT reply actions  

You are correct sir.

My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Oct 26, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I briefly played on the same junior college team with Ape

actually he played, I sat.

All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.

by Quad Fin Rider on Oct 26, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bengie was clutch though.

And he could actually throw out runners. Anyone need to see the gif again? His defense was actually good.

The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.

by Angelsrthebest101 on Oct 26, 2011 5:05 PM PDT reply actions  

It was also Bengie's worst offensive year

Yet still better than what you expect with Mathis.

by jco on Oct 27, 2011 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bengie, unlike Mathis, was a very good defensive catcher in his day

He went downhill quickly, and could never figure out the whole “on base” part of On Base Percentage, but he wasn’t terrible.

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by Gorbachav5 on Oct 27, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good stuff.

I don’t think the importance of the depth of that team can ever be overstated. Without any one of those guys, we don’t even make the playoffs.

Though we shouldn’t overlook that two of the highest paid players on the team, Kevin Appier ($9.5m) and Aaron Sele ($7.1m), put up 1.5 and -0.4 WAR, respectively. Stoneman didn’t make all the right moves.

Christmas List: DFA Mathis, Trade Abreu, Fire Reagins, Sign Buehrle

by Nathan Aderhold on Oct 26, 2011 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Dumping Mo Vaughn for Appier was a good move

Signing Sele not so much

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis

by hauldog on Oct 26, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aaron Sele Was

the living definition of “league average pitcher.”

Career WAR (11 seasons): -0.1.
Highest WAR (season): 0.1
Lowest WAR (season): -0.1.

by jjackflash on Oct 26, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

0.0 WAR

doesn’t mean you are league average.

0.0 WAR means you are no better or no worse than a “replacement level” player, i.e., some random scrub that could be called up from AAA at any given moment.

So a 0.0 WAR actually would indicate that you are far below average compared to other major league caliber players.

"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana

by Chzburger Jones on Oct 26, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why are you looking at his offensive WAR numbers?

He was a pitcher, 17.1 career WAR according to Baseball Reference. He was awful with the Halos though.

"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter

by ryanfea on Oct 27, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ummm

Because I didn’t see the separate “Player Value—Pitchers” box? I just scrolled down his B-Ref page until I saw something about WAR, and didn’t notice the “Player Value—Batters” header. FAIL on my part.

17 WAR over 15 seasons still isn’t a heck of a lot, though, but it was more of what I expected to see (the -0.1 surprised me…I should have paid more attention).

Nevertheless, at the time, Sele seemed like a good signing as a #4 or #5 starter. Up to that point, he had been a better pitcher than the guys who usually filled that role for the Halos (see, e.g., Pat Rapp, the ghost of Ken Hill, etc.)

by jjackflash on Oct 27, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fixed this part for you.

It’s entirely possible the Angels won it all in 2002 because of “small ball” or “situational hitting”. But it’s also pretty likely that they won because they had a team full of moneyballers putting up consistently good on base percentage statistics hitters on steroids.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Oct 26, 2011 5:13 PM PDT reply actions  

But everyone had that on their team...

     We had to beat Barry Bonds in the World Series.

by Nashdiesel on Oct 26, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any proof here?

Not disputing here, just want to know if this character assassination is based on anything but conjecture. I’ll settle for confessions, Mitchell Report, anecdotal info, Canseco, anything but,“gee, they done good…Eck, Timmy and GA musta been juicing.”

Well, come see a fat old man some time!

by Moondoggy on Oct 26, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glaus

And come on now…
Fullmer, in all likelihood.

Donnelly (Mitchell Report)

by jjackflash on Oct 26, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glaus named in the Mitchell report?

and you’re just inferring re: Fullmer, right? Because that’s how we do it here. And if we infer about Fullmer, then it stands to reason we do so regarding Salmon, Anderson, Eckstien, Molina(s), Percy, Frankie, Erstadt, and the rest. Because if you assume one because of an extraordinary season, event, whatever, you need to throw the rest in the pool as well.

Me, I’m going to go the Pollyanna route and assume that unless there is more evidence that they were using PEDs than “boy that was a career year”, then I’m assuming they weren’t cheating.

Well, come see a fat old man some time!

by Moondoggy on Oct 26, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially since it wasn't any of their career years

Glaus was much better the two prior years. Salmon was much better several times. GA was better the following year. Erstad’s best year by far was 2000.

by jco on Oct 27, 2011 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Glaus admitted using steriods in 2003 after a shoulder injury.

So its possible that he could have been using before.

The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.

by Angelsrthebest101 on Oct 27, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Glaus was busted for using in 2003 and 2004 to recover from injuries

It very possible he wasn’t using it in 2002.

"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter

by ryanfea on Oct 27, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're Entitled to Believe That

if you want. And yes, it’s “possible” he wasn’t using in 2002, and only started once he was injured. I’ve heard that excuse before [see, e.g., seemingly everyone who has tested positive or otherwise been caught.] It’s a load of crap, as far as I’m concerned.

by jjackflash on Oct 27, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know that inferring Fullmer used is a slippery slope

It’s certainly possible he was just a workout freak, but man, his arms were bigger than my torso (and I’m not a small guy). Dude was built.

I don’t really think about steroid users that often, not because I’m putting my head in the sand, but because it really doesn’t matter given their widespread use, but when I do, I always count Fullmer among those who probably doped.

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by Gorbachav5 on Oct 27, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this:
I don’t really think about steroid users that often, not because I’m putting my head in the sand, but because it really doesn’t matter given their widespread use, but when I do, I always count Fullmer among those who probably doped.

That’s why is bothers me when people (here, in particular) get their collective panties in a bunch about the users on the 2004 Sox. EVERY WS winner, probably from the late 80s through 2004, had PED users on the team. Before the inquiries got serious, Curt Schilling once made an off-the-cuff remark to the effect that probably half of the league was using something. He later backed off that claim, but I suspect it was a lot closer to the truth than not. It was simply part of the culture of the game.

by jjackflash on Oct 27, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

2004 created the biggest group of douchebag fans in the history of sports.

Plus, it was after testing was introduced. Only after the run was over did Manny and Ortiz’s positive tests come to light. Something tells me a positive test or two must have a happened in 2004 (or MLB looked the other way).

by JeffJoiner on Nov 7, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Fullmer

I’m going by what he looked like physically. And the out-of-the-blue catastrophic injury which ended his Angels career (and pretty much his baseball career).

I’ve never suspected Salmon, but GA suddenly looked smaller once steroid testing was in place.

The bodies of the others you mention didn’t change radically over the course of their careers.

My assumptions have nothing to do with performance, incidentally.

by jjackflash on Oct 27, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

GA's arthritis probably had more to do with that

I recently had a friend diagnosed with one of those arthritises at the age of 28 and her ability to do her everyday task has suffered greatly.

I’m assuming he had to change his training routine,. resulting in a loss of muscle mass.

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by Seik1177 on Nov 1, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you are serious about this comment

I sort of agree with your sentiment.

Not that it really matters either way.

Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?

by BBFan1 on Oct 26, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its still the single greatest sport anything of my life

and it does not really ruin it for me. We out cheated all the other cheaters, booyah.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Oct 27, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone was not doing it

and yes it is still cheating. The 02’ World Series is often referenced to as the Steroid Series, and not just for Bonds.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Oct 27, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who references it that way?

Even doing a Google search on it only turns up one explicit reference to the Angels in the top 40. That’s not necessarily an indication that it’s NOT called the Steroid Series, but I have never heard it referred to as that.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Oct 27, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Replace the word often with has been

often isnt the correct word. I read a few Evil Network articles referencing it as such and most, if not all, of the people I discuss sports with in real life consider it the peak of roid use and reference it as such.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Oct 27, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stars align sometimes

While Eckstein was a good, cheap pickup…. he and Spiezio had shown good plate discpline… Kennedy was not known as that type of player and neither was Fullmer, really.

2002 was the perfect storm. Career years. Unexpected years. Years that players would never be repeated again. Good health. Bengie Molina was the only one that really had a bad year.

by angelsfan15 on Oct 26, 2011 5:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree on the perfect storm front, but who really had a career year?

Brad Fullmer maybe (big shock since he was 27 that year). Adam Kennedy maybe? David Eckstein maybe? Washburn had his best year and it may have been Ortiz’s best year too, but for the core of the offense, it wasn’t a bunch of career years (2000 would have been better described that way). Glaus had a great World Series, but his season was seen as a bit of a disappointment at the time (especially after 2000 and 2001).

by jco on Oct 27, 2011 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Eckstein and Kennedy clearly had career years with the bat

Neither of them ever topped a 100 OPS+ again in their careers.

Washburn and Ortiz had career years on the mound. There was no one who significantly underperformed their career marks, except maybe Erstad, and that wasn’t even by that much.

The biggest thing with that team, in my opinion, was their health. Washburn, Appier, and Ortiz all started 32 games, and Lackey started all his games once he got called up. On the offensive side, Salmon and Fullmer both missed about 25 – 30 games, but other than that, those guys were incredibly healthy. I don’t think any of the bullpen guys missed time with injury. And everyone was healthy for the postseason. That was a big deal.

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by Gorbachav5 on Oct 27, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Missed Time

I don’t think Fullmer really “missed” any time. He never went on the DL, and doesn’t appear to have missed more than 2 consecutive games. He occasionally sat against lefties, and I suspect that accounts for his missed playing time.

Health was indeed key. The Soth didn’t have to think too much about the lineup (or the rotation, or the pen).

by jjackflash on Oct 27, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good call

I didn’t look that far into it. I just saw that he only played 130 games and assume he was injured for part of the season.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Oct 27, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Career years are one thing

… and four of them is a lot considering two were every day guys and two starting pitchers. The number of years that couldn’t have been expected, matched one (Spiezio) or two (Anderson) years of length careers. It was a fluke and while Stoneman made a couple good moves, he got pretty lucky, too.

I’ll take it. Nine years ago today was an amazing day.

by angelsfan15 on Oct 27, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great post, Nashdiesel, thanks

Well, come see a fat old man some time!

by Moondoggy on Oct 26, 2011 7:08 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Oct 27, 2011 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

A nice refreshing post, but one complaint.

why is there no complaining about Napoli/Mathis. Just feels a little incomplete.

Should change my screen name to Stuck with Premium.

by stuck in Romania on Oct 27, 2011 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Nonsense

the Angels were totally mentioned in Moneyball. I distinctly recall seeing David Eckstein apply a tag on a would-be Oakland base stealer in one of the games playing on Billy Beane’s T.V. in his office!

Totally worth mentioning since they won the World Series in the year that took place and all.

A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 27, 2011 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I AM HUMORLESS
Of course the Angels fared better than Oakland in the playoffs that year, but in the movie they aren’t mentioned.

A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 27, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a great post...

Billy Beane does what he does – it results in the mixed record his team has had. Others have taken some of the principles he learned from Sandy Alderson, his first boss, and improved on them. The book was very well written, although its narrative forced the author to ignore many facts.

The Angels won the World Series in 2002 with a bunch of no-names and scrubs. It was an excellent job both on and off the field by our organization. I am immensely proud of their accomplishment.

by waters96 on Nov 3, 2011 6:06 PM PDT reply actions  

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