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Reminds me that the offseason is its own brand of fun, especially when the World Series champs aren’t the Rangers.

I only see the Angels pop up once or twice in the FA pool, and I am happy to see this. After they were going to get an ace bullpen arm, a third baseman, and a left fielder last year, they took the big splash and were the laughingstock of baseball.

That DiPoto passed on the Orioles but did go witht he Angels is heartening. The Angels are in better shape overall, sure, but when we know that Angelos scares people away, the perception here is that DiPoto has been given the power he would not have in Baltimore.

I like Bobby Abreu, but I would be down with the Angels finding a taker, like Kansas City or something, and splitting the salary cost. Abreu had a big impact on the Angels in 2009, and I imagine his approach could pay dividends elsewhere, too. Even another $5 million might get the Angels in on the kind of presence that would solidify the rotation and/or lineup.

Also, if you get, say, Prince Fielder, I think you get more revenue just from having that bat in your lineup. It’s one thing to say, “Our budget shouldn’t exceed $140 million”, but if you look at what determines payroll, attendance and playoff presence are big factors. You get a superstar in that lineup, maybe more people show up, maybe you make it to October baseball.

I like Trumbo lots, but I think he may be more valuable as a trade chip for a decent starter, say a serviceable #4 while the young Angels pitchers mature some more.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Nov 3, 2011 5:55 AM PDT reply actions  

WHEW!

I thought for a second we were gonna lose Vernon/thebigtizzle.

3 more years of awesome!

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Nov 3, 2011 6:20 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

He wasn't about to walk away

He wanted to be there for the team.

While also financially crippling them.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Nov 3, 2011 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

No No

Step 1: Support your team by sticking it out
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Nov 3, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

okay i cant (or dont know how if possible) to link from my phone...

… but Wells posted a tweet about 8 hrs ago ~ “goodnight all, been a busy couple of days but excited to start hitting tomorrow!! Show my new team what I am real”. ??? Anyone know who he’s referring to when he says “new team” ?

Formerly known as AlohaHalofan

by Erick Danielsen on Nov 3, 2011 6:52 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

he spend more than a decade with toronto

he still doesnt see himself as really part of the angels.

by Balls and Strikes on Nov 3, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, last year didn't count in his mind

it was an adjustment/transition period.

Ha!

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Nov 3, 2011 8:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thinking the same thing. New Team??? Been traded??? OH YEAH??!!??

Here it is …

Then he twitted this …

Oh… Now I get, it. He really didn’t show up last season since he had the choice of opting out of his contract if he wanted to sign a better, more lucrative, one with maybe the Skanks, or stRangers, to name a few of the other teams bidding for his services.

by eyespy on Nov 3, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vernon I think we all agree.

Nobody wants to see anything close to the sackless performance you put up last year.

The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.

by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 3, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

he probably hates Reagins just as much as everyone here

TR single handedly made an entire fanbase hate VW’s guts and he really had nothing to do with it….it’s not like he said “toronto, pay me the worst contract ever, i want to cripple you financially…then trade me to the Angels for naps.”

i’d be thrilled if VW just got to his pre-2011 career #’s.

by SCHalo on Nov 3, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

eh

his stats away from rogers center were unimpressive

"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black

by the king of CERA on Nov 3, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

And consistent with what he gave us.

Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.

by snowhor on Nov 3, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trout's AFL stats are upsetting.

I don’t think he’s ever had a K:BB ratio that bad. If we screw this guy up, we’re going to have to fire everyone right?

by Robviously on Nov 3, 2011 7:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, yeah

Robviously.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Nov 3, 2011 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

oohhh. I see what you did there. funny.

Should change my screen name to Stuck with Premium.

by stuck in Romania on Nov 3, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

71 at bats

Any stat genius out there want to chime in about how significant this sample is? Hank Conger hit even worse. ,217 average, among other bad numbers. But only 46 at bats.

by Rock Island Line on Nov 3, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the tendencies continue...

Folks may start asking whether Trout was the biggest collateral damage suffered by last offseason’s hijinx.

by Turks Teeth on Nov 3, 2011 9:51 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Per Lyle Spencer on Mike Trout:

When he found he was struggling with pitches in the lower reaches of the strike zone during his first visit to the big time, Trout adapted. He lowered his stance and began to feel more comfortable taking his hacks at sinkers down in the zone.

"He’s been really impressive," Angels center fielder Peter Bourjos said. "He and Mickey [Hatcher, hitting coach] worked on his stance, and it’s paid off. He went down and hit a couple of balls that weren’t even strikes."

That article is dated 8/31/11. Mike Trout went on to hit .182/.250/.236 in September and October.

Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.

by snowhor on Nov 3, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

This makes me sad.

"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon

by BruinHalo on Nov 3, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hatcher's highest praise

Why let a bad pitch go by when you can swing at it instead?

by Suboptimal on Nov 3, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why do we let Hatcher work with anyone?

Has he ever made anyone better? We haven’t developed a star hitter since Troy Glaus. Our next closest were Napoli (who we traded for garbage) and Kendrick (who has been great at times and mediocre at other times).

We’ve had 12 years of Hatcher. Are the Angels absolutely sure they can’t possible do better?

by Robviously on Nov 3, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's scary

When he first came up, I remember Trout looking like he had better plate discipline than most of the guys on the team.

by JeffJoiner on Nov 3, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its almost laughable

how devastating Hatcher has so very obviously become to young hitters who actually listen to him.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Nov 3, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup it must be Hatchers fault.

It probably has nothing to do with Trout playing the longest season of his life and being tired.

According to Keith Law Trout looks tired.

by Trott on Nov 3, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he was tired in September and October, why is he still playing?

Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.

by snowhor on Nov 3, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

he's a what 20-21 year old stud that is out of condition?

if he is tired now from playing extra games. Wouldn’t the scouts have seen that when he was still in high school? I’m sure he was in all types of leagues, or other sports, playing all the time for the past five to ten years in Joisey.

by eyespy on Nov 3, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a lot different quality of play

With a lot more travel, more responsibilities, especially off the field. It’s a completely different ballgame, pun intended.

It’s really not uncommon at all for young guys to get worn out at the end of a long professional season.

The decision to send him to Arizona anyway is a rather striking one, however.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Nov 3, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

We need either Pujols or Fielder! come on Dipoto!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dallas Cowboys Super Bowl Champs Tony Romo Super Bowl MVP
-Me, October 3,2011

by KB_24 on Nov 3, 2011 8:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Hrmm

What if….

What if DiPoto makes a move for Votto using Trumbo as one of the main pieces (after he wins the RotY). I would think Trout would be brought up but is obviously untouchable. Putting together a package for Votto would be significantly more awesomesauce than any free agent on the market. I am all for trading Trumbo asafp.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Nov 3, 2011 9:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Reds Don't Need Trumbo

The reason Votto might even be available is because they have Yonder Alonso.

by jjackflash on Nov 3, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trade Trumbo!

The 99% speaks.

"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon

by BruinHalo on Nov 3, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

not trumbo

even though he could be traded for something decent out there, it would never include getting pujols or fielder. i think they should shop abreu, hunter, mathis, and fuentes/rodney. maybe the change of scenery will improve their pitching, but if we can unload all that money, we could make a serious run at albert or prince. and they’re the only real players out there to go after.

by hoffy loves the angels on Nov 3, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody would trade for Mathis

Fuentes has been gone over a year and Rodney is not a free agent.

by JeffJoiner on Nov 3, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Correction: Rodney is NOW a free agent

Scard myself for a second. I wouldn’t want him coming back.

by JeffJoiner on Nov 3, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

And the great thing is that we don't have to trade Mathis.

We can just dump him by not tendering him a contract. We have no financial obligation to him if we do so. That’s $1.7m off the books right away.

Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.

by snowhor on Nov 3, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

To build up the batting practice pitchers confidence?

No need for great “D” in the pen. They don’t calculate cERA out there.

by eyespy on Nov 3, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Pittsburg Pirates almost did

so you never know. I’d take a bag of balls in return.

by Persi W on Nov 4, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

While we're pondering Pujols, Fielder and Votto

don’t you just love that 10+5 photo?
This is our current reality and it makes we want to puke.

by Seraphan on Nov 3, 2011 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes! Love the photo!

Vernon: Yo Premium! Whad’ya say we ruin this team?
Mathis: I reckon so, Big Splash! High five!

Trust the Deception

by Rally Manatee on Nov 3, 2011 10:22 AM PDT reply actions  

or...

wells:2 pitches and a fly ball to short, beat that
jeffy: no problem, i can ground out on 1 pitch!

by hoffy loves the angels on Nov 3, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

that implys he can make contaclt with the ball

he’s working on a way to strike out on 2 pitches, though

"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black

by the king of CERA on Nov 3, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol reckon

I reckon this is a better gig than backing up Rex Grossman!

by Halowitz on Nov 3, 2011 11:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I still say that he sounds like a dentist instead of an NFL QB.

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Nov 3, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's Rex Grossman D.D.S. to you red.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Nov 5, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT

Here’s the link of the image I posted that you were looking for:
http://media.photobucket.com/image/aybar%20swarm%20gif/lsb_gallery/aybarbees.gif

All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.

by Quad Fin Rider on Nov 3, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks bro

I got it. Can’t wait to show my wife.

Trust the Deception

by Rally Manatee on Nov 9, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Mike Trout has been Hatcher-fied

quickly Dipoto, trade him to the Nats for Ryan Zimmerman (sarcasm).

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Nov 3, 2011 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow.

Every now and then it’s good to remember that there was a point in time where Joe Mauer was the no.1 catching prospect in baseball and Jeff Mathis was no.2 and “not that far behind” per some scouts.

I don’t think he was destined to be this bad. He could have been decent at the very least.

by Robviously on Nov 3, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

This

I’m convinced that Mathis and Wood should have never placed as premiere prospects. I’m also convinced that their offensive flaws were enhanced by a man with a poor understanding of how to score runs in baseball.

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Nov 3, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Same thing.

Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.

by snowhor on Nov 3, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

My gut feeling for the offseason

Stay low key, pick up some pitching depth, perhaps a non-“big splash” trade for a little offensive help and/or roster space/salary relief. DFA Mathsi. Walk into 2012 marginally improved.

2012 will be a big season for DiPoto. Lots of veteran pieces walk years and tons of money coming off the books. He could swing major trades to either make a run or re-stock the farm depending on the standings around the break.

by JeffJoiner on Nov 3, 2011 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

i like how they play up the team player role

wells knows that no-one would give him a tryout much less a contract. he is gonna live up to his contract no matter what. cause it will never happen again, there are no stupid gm’s out there

by hoffy loves the angels on Nov 3, 2011 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

maybe reagins will get the job in baltimore

"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black

by the king of CERA on Nov 3, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't it be nice if DiPoto had $41 million dollars to play with as opposed to $20. >:(

I’m looking at you Reagins.

“Sometimes, the best free agents you can acquire are via trades," Dipoto said. "There are so many different ways to acquire a player in today’s game. A team might be moving a contract, they might be moving a player who’s bearing down on free agency or getting up there in arbitration. The economics of it are there are 30 different teams in 30 different situations."

Also, I can imagine TR ever putting together a thought like the one above.

Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.

by RexTookMyStash on Nov 3, 2011 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

can't*

Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.

by RexTookMyStash on Nov 3, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone is freaking out about Trout

He’s 20 and he’s been playing a lot of baseball. He might just be tired.

by lightupthehalo29 on Nov 3, 2011 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

A young person at that age cannot be tired...

An aging veteran, yes..

Representing the Angels in Sin City.

by maze88 on Nov 3, 2011 12:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Anybody can get tired.

"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter

by ryanfea on Nov 3, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its a 162 game season.

Especially you figure in all the travel and sleepless nights. He very well could be.

The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.

by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 3, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah and he is up to game what 200? I refuse to believe he sucks.

I swear I will never watch another minor league game or read anything about a minor league player again if trout is a bust.

by Balls and Strikes on Nov 3, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've heard a couple people who have seen Trout play in the AFL say that he looks tired out there.

In fact, from Keith Law’s chat today:

Greg (LA)

I know that we discount hitting in Arizona, but what about lack of hitting? Trout’s been average at best.

Klaw (2:01 PM)

He’s visibly tired – 20 years old, been playing almost nonstop since early March.

I’m really not concerned about his AFL numbers. I’ll start freaking out of they carry over to next year.

by ~MMP~ on Nov 3, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

That last line was my comment, not Law's

I realized after posting that I didn’t make that clear.

by ~MMP~ on Nov 3, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not freaking out over Trout's lack of success in the AFL

 
But IMHO no one on this team is “untouchable”. If Trout + Santana could get us a proven, young All-Star like Evan Longoria – I’m pulling the trigger on the deal.

From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average

by mustard_man on Nov 3, 2011 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Being "tired" might explain a lack of BABIP, power, stolen bases, loss of range

but not being able to lay off pitches out of the strike zone. In fact it takes less energy to not swing.

Hatcher and Sosh’s mentality continues to absolutely ruin our young hitters and franchise value.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Nov 3, 2011 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Mentally tired, maybe?

(Just trying to be optimistic that we haven’t ruined him yet.)

by Robviously on Nov 3, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Being tired would effect every part of your game

Mentally, physically…

It certainly doesn’t make me happy that he struggled in the AFL, but I don’t think that means he’s been ruined.

How about Peter Bourjos, who put up a better offensive season than anyone thought he would?

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Nov 3, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Trout

Most likely tired, he should rest up a bit and then pick it up again.

by CaptainCarlos on Nov 3, 2011 2:04 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

On a separate note.

Damn St Louis unveiled a statue of Pujols. They are pulling out all the stops.

The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.

by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 3, 2011 2:24 PM PDT reply actions  

It's okay, last offseason Arte spent all his money on a statue of a leftfielder so there would be no expectation nor disappointment in Pujols by us.

Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.

by snowhor on Nov 3, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's fair

If you put some wheels under a statue, it would probably have more range.

by ~MMP~ on Nov 3, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh, the statue's advantage in range is offset by VW's advantage in blessed to stressed ratio making it a wash.

Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.

by snowhor on Nov 3, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

What, precisely, is VW's B/S number, as opposed to ... oh, say Pujols?

B/S = Blessed/Stressed

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Nov 3, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd venture a guess that Pujols' ability and desire to produce pushes up his stress level.

VW = Blessed/Stressed > 1.0
AP = Blessed/Stressed < 1.0

Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.

by snowhor on Nov 3, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of statues. Juan Rivera just got 4.5 million from the Dodgers, which seems high.

But it’s still 1/6th of Vernon Wells’s 2012 salary after he had a better(or less terrible, really) season than Too Blessed.

I hate that contract so much.

by ~MMP~ on Nov 3, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's like the Dodgers want to mock our overpaid left-fielder with their own overpaid left-fielder

It’s Ned Colletti’s way of saying, “you thought this guy was worthless, but we gave him $4.5 million!” When Arte tries to come back with “but you paid him at least twice what he’s worth,” Ned will be ready with, “yes, but how many times more are you paying your left-fielder than what he’s worth?”

One final jab to be exchanged at a Christmas party, before Ned inevitably loses his job and goes to work writing lousy columns for ESPN. That’s got to worth at least $4.5 million for a guy who doesn’t have to pay it anyways.

by Suboptimal on Nov 3, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

We gave Jeter a painting

From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average

by mustard_man on Nov 3, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The statue wasn't erected by the Cardinals

It was in front of a resturant in a St. Louis suburb that Pujols owns himself!

by Persi W on Nov 4, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Texas is "an early favorite" to sign Prince Fielder- Peter Gammons

If this was the case, would the Angels go “all out” to get Prince, just for the sake of keeping his bat out of a very potent Texas lineup?

"Sometimes I doubt your commitment to SPARKLE MOTION!!"- Ms. Farmer from Donnie Darko

by frmysteryman on Nov 4, 2011 10:13 PM PDT reply actions  

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