Angels Trade Tyler Chatwood for Chris Iannetta
by Rev Halofan on Nov 30, 2011 4:25 PM PST
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PrintJerry Dipoto has made his first big move as Angels General Manager. Dipoto has traded starting pitcher Tyler Chatwood to Denver for Chris Iannetta.
In his Colorado Rockies career, Catcher Chris Iannetta has thrown out 30% of all baserunners attempting to steal. He walked 70 times last season, an absurdly high number for an Angels batter. The caveat on his walks is the impurity of the National League with pitchers knowing that walking the number 8 hitter will likely produce an automatic out with the number 9 batter being the opposing pitcher.
In six big league seasons, Chris Iannetta has batted .235 with a .357 OB%. The acquisition likely spells the end of an infamously underachieving Angels backstop, Jeff Mathis. The eulogy was on the wall when his greatest defender, Lyle "Springsteen" Spencer wrote this somber sonnet of probables just minutes ago...
Mathis, who will be eligible for free agency after the 2012 season, shared the catching job with Mike Napoli for four seasons and excelled defensively, ranking among the best in the game with the glove. Having acquired Iannetta, the Angels also have the option of non-tendering Mathis in his final year as an arbitration-eligible player.
Chatwood started 25 games for the Angels and was rushed to the big leagues because of the implosion of Scott Kazmir. He gave up 166 hits in 142 innings in the bigs and his .9 HR/9 IP seems likely to go up way more in Coors Lite Field next season even with the advantage of an impure unreal hitter at the tail end of each National League lineup. Chatwood was drafted in the 2nd round of the 2008 draft by the Angels, 74th overall.
Chatwood was their first pick in that draft after losing a first round pick to the Minnsota Twins as compensation for signing Torii Hunter. The sum total of that draft still impacting the Angels is reliever Michael Kohn (13th round pick) and recent 40-Man Roster addition John Hellweg (16th rounder). 7th Round 2008 draftee Will Smith was half the package sent to the Royals for Alberto Callaspo, so our new GM is maximizing what he can for a campaign former minor league boss Eddie Bane may never brag about.
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I think I love Victor Rojas:
“Done deal…#Angels get Ianetta from Rockies for Tyler Chatwood. Would figure Mathis is non-tendered. #MLB”
Goodbye premium come next week!
Dipoto must feel Chatwood won’t be that great in the future. Oh well, I like Richards better!
Generally a good trade, Chatwood has potential but....
this opens up things for non-tendering Mathis and I assume other moves are on the horizon.
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The only way we win with this deal:
Signing Wilson or Buehrle (or trading for another similar pitching talent).
All things considered, even if it means we get solid production from Ianetta and Mathis is let go, this is a dumb deal. Chatwood is 21, and he has more projectability than anyone else in our system not named Jered Weaver. We just traded a promising 21 year-old pitcher for a guy who, at best, is an average hitter, even after playing his whole career in one of the most notorious hitters’ parks in the league.
I don’t like anything about this deal other than the fact that it ensures Mathis’ departure.
by moralesforpresident on Dec 1, 2011 12:59 AM PST up reply actions
Depends who you ask. At 21, Chatwood is 2 years younger too.
The only reason people are down on Chatwood is because he had a poor 2011 with the Angels. As a 21 year-old rookie, I never expected him to blow people away right out of the gate.
by moralesforpresident on Dec 1, 2011 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
I'm okay with this.
I miss baseball.
by Figgi4life on Nov 30, 2011 4:30 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Conflicted...
Getting rid of a pitcher may mean acquiring one (Wilson), but Chatwood was cheap and under control for years to come.
I don’t like the move by itself, but if it means picking up a starter and DFAing Mathis I’m totally cool with it.
by lightupthehalo29 on Nov 30, 2011 4:31 PM PST reply actions
Also conflicted here.
Would have preferred Hernandez. Would have preferred Hanigan. But this is worth a try.
Chatwood is iffy, with consistently degrading peripherals from his age 18 year. But he’s also mighty young. Ianetta is iffy — a good defensive catcher with nice general OPS tendencies, but he also has horrible road splits.
This is a good trade if Ianetta’s home/road splits are a mirage. They seem foreboding, but I’m willing to give it a year. Of the three targeted catchers, Ianetta seems the riskiest option.
We’ll see. If Ianetta bombs though, it will be difficult to say if is because his numbers were truly park-inflated, or because Scioscia destroyed another promising catcher due to his imperious and inflexible catcher management style.
Hernandez's age and road splits made him more risky IMO
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Nov 30, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
"Yakult Swallows open contract negotiations with Jeff Mathis. #BaselessPredictions"
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by Commander_Nate on Nov 30, 2011 4:31 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Dang you must really hate Mathis to want that
Their line can’t block too well. He would get killed.
The again
throwing in the opposite direction everyone expects you to is ok in the NFL.
by mustang6944 on Nov 30, 2011 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I heard The Swallows is Napoli's favorite team
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by 2pintsofbooze on Nov 30, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ARE Napoli's favorite team
Get it right…or he’ll get YOU!
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by Commander_Nate on Nov 30, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
mmmmm, with pleasure
(no homo)
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by 2pintsofbooze on Nov 30, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
dammit
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by 2pintsofbooze on Nov 30, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
African swallows or European swallows?
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by Fred Fredrix on Nov 30, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Robot
They’re from Japan.
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by Commander_Nate on Nov 30, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
African swallows are non-migratory.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Nov 30, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
What
is the air speed velocity of an unladed swallow?
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by the king of CERA on Nov 30, 2011 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
What?
I don’t know!
This is a sig.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 30, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Mathis still has 5 years of NCAA eligibility
Next season Jeffy be showing off his athleticism as Florida State’s QB. Go ahead and laugh. If he does, you’ll see.
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by Quad Fin Rider on Nov 30, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I like the move.
It gets Mathis out of here & will hopefully force Soth to change his outlook on Conger
Life is short, enjoy the ride.
the deal wasnt necessary to get rid of mathis
We already had conger and wilson
by Balls and Strikes on Nov 30, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
IMO the deal was needed to start the Dipoto/Scioscia relationship on the right foot.
Let’s face it, Soth was is in love with Jeff Mathis. Soth probably told Dipoto that either Conger isn’t ready yet or that he doesn’t see him ever being an everyday catcher. That being said Dipoto may have made this trade as a diplomatic move that will get rid of Mathis while still compromising with Soth at the same time. I see it as an improvement to the team.
Life is short, enjoy the ride.
by The Mikay on Nov 30, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The only reason I am ok with this is because this means MATHIS IS GONE!!!
However without that I think we are kind of selling low on Chatwood and Ianetta is very inconsistent.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 30, 2011 4:32 PM PST reply actions
i like it.
i have to think that this upgrades the offense more than it hurts the team by subtracting Chatwood.
DiPoto has a very good track record with trades… I’ll trust him on this one.
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Pitching Especially
DiPoto clearly understands the value of young, team-controlled pitchers. His trading of one such player indicates (a) he’s not that enamored of Chatwood; (b) replacing Mathis is more important than retaining Chatwood as the #4 or #5 starter; © he’s going to acquire a replacement pitcher (not replacement-level, but simply a replacement) in the near future; (d) some combination of (a), (b) and ©.
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by mathisrocks5 on Nov 30, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He is going to sign or trade for a pitcher
Williams will be the fifth guy in the rotation, with Richards next in line.
I still don't understand why we couldn't have done what the Rockies did.
Sign Hernandez
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 30, 2011 4:32 PM PST reply actions
Hernandez - 38, Iannetta - 31, Age must've played factor
by AngelsHIMYMfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Did not realize how old he was.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 30, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
As long as Conger is ready for 2013 and beyond, just Mathis has to be gone, plain and simple!
by AngelsHIMYMfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Chris is actually 28
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can you add
a few more lines to you sig?
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
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Yeah, sorry about that...
It’s a bit of a rant from a guy who thinks that they might have stopped teaching written English in the schools.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
They might have...
…but you won’t find too many people adhering to the Chicago Manual of Style on a blog.
More's the pity.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Iannetta - 21, Hernandez - 26
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Non-flashy move.
Super solid OBP, a little pop, banishment of Mathis though which makes this move decent. Chatwood should fare better in the NL but i have a feeling he is going to get decimated in the great Rocky Mountains. All though he is young and improvable, I think he would have a limited role in the future with the Angels such as Bell does.
This is god news for Williams and Richards however, I would guess we are adding another SP as well. I expect at least a .340 OBP, Which would be invaluable next year.
Lets hope this is one of many to come.
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by Halos2011champs on Nov 30, 2011 4:35 PM PST reply actions
Well you'd be hard pressed to find someone less productive than Mathis
not a bad move in my opinion. Dipoto is feeling the water.
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by autry's cowboys on Nov 30, 2011 4:36 PM PST reply actions
Meh.
Not a big splash, but a fair deal I think.
Looks like I have to think of a new signature though. Thank goodness.
The Angels are ill-served by a front office that willfully disregards both modern and classic performance measurements when it comes to Jeff Mathis. Astonishing, and nearly unforgiveable.
by LittleCupcakes on Nov 30, 2011 4:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I like it
Iannetta is a solid catcher, and Chatwood is nothing special anyways. Good trade for both sides, and a good signing for the Rockies. Though I’m not sure why the Angels didn’t just sign Hernandez.
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by CaptainCanuck on Nov 30, 2011 4:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Is He Still Type A?
He might not want to give up a draft pick (who could be better than Chatwood) for a catcher (but might be willing to lose the pick for someone like Wilson, for example).
I'm so glad...
…we traded that scrub Napoli last year. Really, for a manager that was once a catcher he’s really mismanaged the position since Bengie left
The bat of Howie will rise again!
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by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Nov 30, 2011 4:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Since Sosh LET Bengie leave.
Bengie wanted to stay and was butt hurt that we abandoned him. So, YES, all Sosh has done with the catcher’s position since he became manger is make it worse and worse.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Nov 30, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Glad the team secured a backup Catcher
Could this be a precusor to a FA starting pitcher signing? Only time will tell.
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
Sad news guys :(
Jeff Mathis was one more Jeff Mathis season away from passing Tom Egan for lowest OPS+ in team history. Angels apparently hate records :(
Happy news guys! Lets go for the snuggie record again!
by Balls and Strikes on Nov 30, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
I'm bummed we never got a Mathis bobblehead night
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 30, 2011 9:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So when is chatwood traded to Texas?
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
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by DAD OF VLAD on Nov 30, 2011 4:41 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Nov 30, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
how do you really feel?
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
OMG Mark Saxon
Acquiring Iannetta could indicate the Angels are considering non-tendering catcher Jeff Mathis, a premium defensive catcher who is a lifetime .194 hitter.
(emphasis mine)
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Mendoz is thinks he sucks
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
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Mark Saxon with the bombshell.
Great deduction.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 30, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
I worry
what is Iannetta’s CERA?
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
by DAD OF VLAD on Nov 30, 2011 4:43 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
this is a real concern to me
will his production in catching a great game match that of the greatness of Mathis?
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
How about his CS rate when throwing to first?
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Dipoto has already surpassed Reagins'...
entire body of work in one non-flashy trade.
Let the Dipoto era commence
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Nov 30, 2011 4:43 PM PST reply actions
Chalking that up more for DiPoto than Reagins
Just because we can now.
by Halowitz on Nov 30, 2011 6:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well no, not really
But it’s a start.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Nov 30, 2011 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Well yea, yes really
The Wells deal was so counterproductive that all Dipoto had to do to make himself more valuable than Reagins was to take away ABs from Mathis. This is exactly what Ianetta is going to do. The logic is somewhat circuitous but its completely sensible
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Nov 30, 2011 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Shut it pineapple boy.
No really, how have you been? Good I hope. We’re supposed to get some nasty wind tonight and tomorrow, and maybe some snow and thunderstorms. I’m in SoCal in the mountains for the week.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
All is good over here
Cool, and breezy. No rain in the forecast.
Snow and Thunder? Gonna have lack of visibility too, I would assume.
How many mices, did you two find?
Just one.
We found a new hole in the dryer flexible duct, so we are replacing it with a heavier metal one.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Hoping for some snowfall
A day off of school and a day of skiing sounds pleasant right about now.
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by Halos2011champs on Nov 30, 2011 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
Where are you?
I got word a while ago that Big Bear was getting some snow, but we just have high winds here.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Sounds like a Friday night at the Kardashian residence
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 1, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
My friend in Big Bear said they got between 12 and 28 inches of snow last night.
We got half an inch.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Conflicted, but maybe this is the start of a great L/R split between Conger and Chris? what is chris' vs LHP?
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Mathis will be a great mentor to young Cera Iannetta.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I AGREE...
Mathis stays, in my opinion. I’m not happy, but it is still a possibility. DiPoto don’t wanna rock Papa Soth’s world. q
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Nov 30, 2011 10:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
did you see dipoto's comments on the deal?
"It’s not very easy to trade away a young pitcher like Tyler Chatwood, especially a guy who is relatively local," Dipoto said. "This one made a lot of sense for us in my mind. It answered a need at the big league level and gave us the kind of guy that fits in our clubhouse and brings a presence behind the plate that (Scioscia) will appreciate."
by Balls and Strikes on Nov 30, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
calculus
Over the course of about a year we trade Napoli, Rivera, and Chatwood and get Wells and a poor man’s Napoli (let’s call an Iannetta about 2/3 of a Napoli).
By my math, that makes Wells = 1 Rivera + 1 Chatwood + and 1/3 of a Napoli.
Failed analysis
You didnt multiply the wells equation by a factor of Reagins
by Balls and Strikes on Nov 30, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
True, plus...
…every time Napoli hit a homerun in the playoffs, someone else in the Angels front office got fired.
by Dave Spiwak on Nov 30, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Chatwood's debut
ruined my birthday
good riddance to you
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
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LOVE
Chatwood was fun but he was ultimately a AAA pitcher who yielded a starting catcher with game changing power and OBP.
Solid move by DiPoto
RIP Nick Adenhart
he was 21
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by 2pintsofbooze on Nov 30, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Chatwood should have been in AA
If Kaz didnt impode or reagins didnt trade away all our young pitchers he would have been in AA. The kid was 20 years old!
Assuming he did well in that scenario he probably should spend the 2012 season split between AA and AAA. But reagins f’ed up this team and he got called up way too early. It wasnt his fault he never focused on accuracy, he was good enough to get by on stuff in A ball.
by Balls and Strikes on Nov 30, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Clearly Iannetta is a stop-gap between Mathis and Conger....
He’s not the future but he’s better than Mathis. This will allow Conger to hone his defensive skills and get some regular ABs in SLC. Let’s not forget, Conger almost went an entire year last year without getting regular at-bats.
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by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 30, 2011 4:51 PM PST reply actions
I think this bodes for a sharp PT split between Conger and Iannetta. Iannetta is a righty, and the Angels only like Conger as a lefty.
Mike Trout- The Man, The NOW, The Legend
If Conger moves quickly, he might see a mid/late season call up.
If not, no pressure.
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 30, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
If conger starts in AAA, that means mathis likely stays.
Conger will be in Anaheim.
by Balls and Strikes on Nov 30, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Wilson, homeboy.
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 30, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
I know we have him, but he hasnt really impressed anyone so far
by Balls and Strikes on Nov 30, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
He caught a no-hitter
Sosh will never sit him now.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Nov 30, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
"Better than Mathis" is a pretty low bar
That being said, it’s a decent deal. Chatwood needs to seriously increase his K% and lower his walks to be a viable major league starter. Maybe he will, as he’s young and cost-controlled, but there’s no reason to hold on to him like he’s Stephen Strasburg (or Brandon Wood). We got a viable big league starting catcher for a 4/5 rotation guy. Not a blockbuster, but the kind of move that adds up over time.
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by The_Question on Nov 30, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully Iannetta doesn't void his 2013 option.
It may not be the way the Angels decide to go in 2013 depending on what Conger does, but having the option of keeping Iannetta for a 2nd year for 5 million would be nice.
If he plays well he voids it, if he's rubbish, he doesn't
…not good for us. Only one guaranteed year, feels like a lot to give up for 6 cost controlled years of a young pitcher
I see red people
My understanding is that he has to make the decision to void or not at the time of the trade.
And it’s a team option for 2013 if he decides to not void it.
no mention of the option...
… in any article I’ve read. You’d think getting him to waive it might have been a condition of the trade. Otherwise this is a 1-year rental of a likely platoon catcher, in return for what — our #2 pitching prospect? Talk about selling low…
Go to Cot's Baseball Contracts
Ianetta’s option for 2013 is a club option for $5m that the PLAYER can void if traded before the start of the 2013 season.
Now that the Rockies traded Ianetta, they are working to sign Hernandez. Huh?
Chatwood is 21. Even though Mathis sucks, giving Chatwood up for one year of Ianetta is questionable.
I still believe the move to make was to sign Hernandez and retain the trade chip that was Chatwood.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
Go to Cot's Baseball Contracts
Ianetta’s option for 2013 is a club option for $5m that the PLAYER can void if traded before the start of the 2013 season.
Now that the Rockies traded Ianetta, they are working to sign Hernandez. Huh?
Chatwood is 21. Even though Mathis sucks, giving Chatwood up for one year of Ianetta is questionable.
I still believe the move to make was to sign Hernandez and retain the trade chip that was Chatwood.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
Caught Stealing and Fielding %
Chris Ianetta
Career fielding%-.995
2011- .998
Career Caught stealing%- 25%
2011- .30
Jeff Mathis
Career fielding - .987
2011-.995
Career CS- 24%
2011- 27%
Ianetta also plays an adequate 3B on occassion. Mathis is a goner.
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Nov 30, 2011 4:55 PM PST reply actions
Good riddance, Jeff Mathis. Hello, Chris Ianetta!
Ianetta’s 2012 Bill James Projections:
.279/.371/.456, .357 wOBA in 113 games.
Yeah, that’ll do.
Christmas List: DFA Mathis, Trade Abreu, Fire Reagins, Sign Buehrle
"Why [pitcher wins] should be taken as a record of the pitcher's ability is a conundrum to which no one has as yet vouchsafed an answer." M.G. Lloyd; Baseball Magazine - 1908
by Nathan Aderhold on Nov 30, 2011 4:56 PM PST reply actions
Oops, was a little optimistic on the batting average.
Should be .249.
But still.
Christmas List: DFA Mathis, Trade Abreu, Fire Reagins, Sign Buehrle
"Why [pitcher wins] should be taken as a record of the pitcher's ability is a conundrum to which no one has as yet vouchsafed an answer." M.G. Lloyd; Baseball Magazine - 1908
by Nathan Aderhold on Nov 30, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Nov 30, 2011 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Lots of vowels.
Do not trust.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
At least he doesn't have two first names
That’s when you know for sure.
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by Commander_Nate on Nov 30, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Ianeeta could be a first name
It’s like the female version of Ian.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Nov 30, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
I'm convinced
String ’im up!
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by Commander_Nate on Nov 30, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
At least he is not
Jeff Mathis.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 30, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
I'll believe Mathis is gone when I see it
Mathis should’ve been released in 2007. The Angels let go of Bengie Molina and Mike Napoli for Jeff Mathis. Fuck Jeff Mathis and the horse he rode on.
by LAA101010 on Nov 30, 2011 4:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Knowing Jeffy, he rode on it ass backwards.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, Imagine if we had re-signed molina all along
this team would have been much better off.
by Balls and Strikes on Nov 30, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
I could foresee Mathis as the backup, and maybe Jered’s personal catcher, with Conger at AAA and Wilson non-tendered.
The Angels are ill-served by a front office that willfully disregards both modern and classic performance measurements when it comes to Jeff Mathis. Astonishing, and nearly unforgiveable.
by LittleCupcakes on Nov 30, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
Cue Red floyd's NOOOOOOO pic.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
fine then
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
Weaver and Haren's personal catcher
the horror
And then they would get frustrated that the offense never wins games for them when they pitch.
And demand to be traded to the east.
by Halowitz on Nov 30, 2011 7:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He should have been traded.
Believe it or not he actually had value. We could have sold high.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 30, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
You're right about that
Wasn’t the minor league hype for catchers: Mauer #1 Mathis #2
Dipo's gotta sign a starting pitcher now.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 4:58 PM PST reply actions
Hatcher must be so confused right now
#Angels’ Dipoto said Iannetta’s .357 career OBP was “motivating factor” in deal. “We wanted to improve C depth and the way we get on base.”
a good way to improve the way we get on base is to fire Hatcher
by Dave Spiwak on Nov 30, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I was just going to say that!
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Nov 30, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
I like the implications
1) Mathis is leaving
2) We will obtain another starting pitcher
That means we have a slight upgrade in offense at the catching position, and we will likely have an upgraded starting rotation as well. Sign CJ and Pujols and call it an off-season!
Trust the Deception
Slight upgrade?
This is a significant upgrade. Almost anyone would have been.
by Brody on Nov 30, 2011 5:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I feel like I am taking crazy pills
Not sure how this can be viewed as a good move. Iannetta is horrible away from Coors Field and his high walk rate and OBP is a byproduct of batting in front of a pitcher for most of his at bats. Sure he is easily better than Mathis, but I have a hard time believing we couldn’t have gotten something more for Tyler Chatwood.
This is the precisely the kind of thinking that got us saddled with Vernon Wells. Everyone but the Angels front office knew he sucked when he wasn’t hitting in Toronto, but they went and got him anyway. Not bothering to look at the whole picture. Same thing here. The guy hits .172 away from Coors Field. We already have a guy who can do that.
I feel like everyone is drunk on the prospect of Mathis being gone. Meanwhile, we just gave up one of our better pitching prospects for a guy who would be a backup catcher on most teams.
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by No Bologna Polonia on Nov 30, 2011 4:59 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
You're right and wrong...
Chris has played a 138 games in the 7 hole and still put up a .351 OBP. Compare that to the opposed the .366 he put up in the 8 spot over 209 games and there isn’t much of a difference.
Also, HE’S STILL BETTER THAN JEFF MATHIS.
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 30, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
I actually agree with you
Iannetta’s home/road splits are really bad all across the board. The only thing consistant is his walks.
Lets hope it isn’t only because of the Coors Field factor, but also due to being more comfortable at home.
That would only account for his power numbers.
Those big parks wouldn’t affect his other numbers.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
I understand the skepticism but I think it's worth another look.
Ianetta’s career road numbers are .208/.338/.369.
Nothing to write home about but certainly better than Mathis’ .194/.257/.301 both home and away.
Compared to our other options, he holds up pretty well too.
C. Iannetta – Age: 28 – Road: .208/.338/.369 Total: .249/.371/.456
R. Hernandez – Age: 35 – Road: .255/.314/.404 Total: .267/.336/.403
R. Hanigan – Age: 31 – Road: .259/.354/.335 Total: .275/.371/.368
Iannetta definitely has the largest split, but he has age on his side and the dude absolutely mashes left-handed pitching (.252/.391/.520).
I think you put him in a platoon with Conger and he’ll be fine.
Christmas List: DFA Mathis, Trade Abreu, Fire Reagins, Sign Buehrle
"Why [pitcher wins] should be taken as a record of the pitcher's ability is a conundrum to which no one has as yet vouchsafed an answer." M.G. Lloyd; Baseball Magazine - 1908
by Nathan Aderhold on Nov 30, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
There is absolutely a non-trivial amount of No More Mathis joy involved.
And I further agree that my evaluation of the deal considers that as a factor. It counts.
So I see the deal as “No more Mathis and the loss of Tyler Chatwood’s potential and team control is roughly equal to a good couple of Iannetta seasons (assumption, but reasonable) where the Angels’ current needs are considered”.
OK deal, roughly even, time will tell.
The Angels are ill-served by a front office that willfully disregards both modern and classic performance measurements when it comes to Jeff Mathis. Astonishing, and nearly unforgiveable.
by LittleCupcakes on Nov 30, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
I agree in that I think Chatwood is probably worth more than Iannetta
…but the final equation is:
Angels + Iannetta – Chatwood – Mathis = WIN
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by Quad Fin Rider on Nov 30, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Very conflicted on this move
Like acquiring Iannetta but not sure that it required to trade the very little starting depth we have. Trading Chatwood a precursor to signing Wilson?
Jerry Dipoto, Vampire Killer
Yeah, fairly obvious
seems like no matter what Jerry is targeting an arm via free agency
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
has to be
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
DiPoto will unquestionably sign or trade for 1-2 starting pitchers.
Not sure if Wilson really will be among them.
DiPoto is aware that he can try and bring on as many OBP guys as he wants
but as long as Hatcher is the hitting coach he WILL TRY to RUIN THE FUCK OUT OF THEM right?
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Nov 30, 2011 5:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Lower hands, hit the ball the other way, productive outs, don't miss your pitch to hit.
That sums up Hatcher’s hitting philosophy in one illiterate sentence.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
For the record
I don’t like it. Ianetta’s career .172/.321/.266 away from Coors is the driving issue. I’d prefer to keep Chatwood, who may not be anything more than a #5, and roll the dice with Conger/Wilson platoon than do this.
Ugh.
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That's not his career road splits, it's just 2011
His career numbers are .208/.338/.369.
Not great, but not awful either.
Christmas List: DFA Mathis, Trade Abreu, Fire Reagins, Sign Buehrle
"Why [pitcher wins] should be taken as a record of the pitcher's ability is a conundrum to which no one has as yet vouchsafed an answer." M.G. Lloyd; Baseball Magazine - 1908
by Nathan Aderhold on Nov 30, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Its pretty awful
Due to the years of Mathis torture however, it seems high.
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Nov 30, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
That is what a 100 point OBP improvement over Mathis?
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis
I stopped keeping track of the Jeff Mathis average watch after he dipped under .200.
Did not realize he almost made it under .170.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 30, 2011 5:16 PM PST reply actions
Something I found interesting...
Dipoto has made a couple of things clear…
1- You can never have enough pitching
2- He doesn’t like to trade away young talent
For him to break two of his own rules means he either reeeeally likes Iannetta, or was really down on Chatwood.
Damn, it would be so awesome to sit down and pick his brain before/during/after a trade to catch his point of view. #dreamjob
I would probably say that he is really down on Chatwood.
To be honest a lot of us are. However he is 21 and could easily turn it around. Hopefully this is not one of those moves that in five years we are kicking ourselves in the ass. At least its not a move that is so insane that we instantly got our ass kicked ie Mike Napoli.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 30, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
Pedro for Delino Deshields trade?
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm one of those as well
I didn’t have high hopes for him but you never know. He’s 21.
I like this trade. But I’ve been wrong before and I’ll certainly be wrong again.
Chatwood's comps through age 21 include...
…Trevor Cahill and John Garland. Regardless of what the Angels FO thinks of him and his ceiling (or lack thereof), a 21-year old SP who was our #2 prospect probably had more trade value than this.
In return for him, we got a 1 year rental catcher who is slightly above average and not as good as a guy we traded a year ago.
Can we trade Iannetta and Wells to Texas for Napoli?
by Dave Spiwak on Nov 30, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
the Wells trade:
the gift that keeps on giving
by Wally's World on Dec 1, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Something tells me that DiPoto talks too damn much.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
There's another possibility
this move doesn’t come in a vacuum. I suspect he’s going to make a strong push to add an arm that’s better than Chatwood. He might not "reeeeally "like Iannetta; he might not be really down on Chatwood; instead, he could be really down on Mathis, and reeeeally like some other pitcher who does not yet wear an Angels uniform.
That is what I think
He’s not sold on Chatwood and plans on adding another arm. He moved a piece, added a piece, and opened a spot in the rotation.
OT: heard Torii on Mason and Ireland about an hour ago.
He said, all we need is middle relief help, maybe a closer, and third base help.
Is he serious?
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 5:19 PM PST reply actions
It's his job to hit
not be our GM, thankfully.
Besides, I like that the players think they are good. Hopefully they play like it too.
Torii eager to follow in the footsteps of TR.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 30, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
RACIST
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
by NathanielS on Nov 30, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Imposter!
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Too blessed to be stressed
y’know
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
by vlad IS my man on Nov 30, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe it's just society.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Oh sure!!! Blame society.
Pick on the EASY target will you.
/sarcasm
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Well, Grantland Rice can go to hell as far as I am concerned." - Gene Autry
by Angelsfan015 on Nov 30, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Rockies now sign Hernandez: 2 yrs, $6.5m
They trade Ianetta to get the FA catcher Hernandez.
Didn’t Dipoto used to work for the Colorado GM O’Dowd?
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
Iannetta sounds Italian
This was no doubt a Scioscia requirement. He must have passed the lasagne test.
by frosse on Nov 30, 2011 5:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
He's not yourannetta, he's.....
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Mianetta...
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Nov 30, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
yessir!
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
Not Very Bright...Dipoto -2
Whats wrong with keeping a potential 5th or 4th future starter and developing Conger and Wilson’s skills?? Hope Dipoto isn’t another push over like Reagins because this move isn’t our 1st priority.
Just a taste of things to come before we land CJ and Pujols.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Nov 30, 2011 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Solid #4s and #5s grow on trees.
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by Commander_Nate on Nov 30, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
This was a little like last year.
We needed 3B and got squat.
This year, we need C and it cost us some. But the loss of Mathis (should that come to pass, big if) PLUS Iannetta gives us something we need now, for something we may not need later.
The Angels are ill-served by a front office that willfully disregards both modern and classic performance measurements when it comes to Jeff Mathis. Astonishing, and nearly unforgiveable.
by LittleCupcakes on Nov 30, 2011 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
Ya but last year we needed a big splash and we got.........
The worst trade in modern baseball history
by Bozo's1000son on Nov 30, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
*I'm* a "slight upgrade" over Mathis, and I suck.
Practically ANY MLB player (possible exception — Adam Dunn) is a major upgrade over Mathis.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
If Dipo really means what he says about OBP
He’ll keep Callaspo at third and will continue to stay far far away from Aramis Ramirez.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 5:28 PM PST reply actions
I know. All these rumors are flying out of nowhere, I’m scared since this move started as a rumor, what might come next.
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by migfig on Nov 30, 2011 8:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No doubt giving him the Mark Teixera treatment.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It could even be Buerhle or Kuroda
DiPoto doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who would open a hole in the rotation if he didn’t have a solid plan on how to fill that hole.
by JeffJoiner on Nov 30, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This
who would open a hole in the rotation if he didn’t have a solid plan on how to fill that hole.
Well said.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Dec 1, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe this wasnt the best deal in baseball history, but i can't help but feel excited that Matshit might have played his last game with the Angels.
FINGERS CROSSED
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by Tapatio Man on Nov 30, 2011 5:31 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
A few of Iannetta's splits...
…at Angels Stadium:
5 Games Started .316/.409/.632
….Interleague stats:
42 Games Started .250/.363/.431
He can at least hit American League Pitching better than Mathis.
by cuscus85 on Nov 30, 2011 5:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
But can she throw the ball to first on an attempted steal?
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Can she leap over a guy caught in a rundown?
"Ballplayers play baseball. Hrrmmmff." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Nov 30, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe TR will find a job elsewhere?
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
I beleive in miracles
(and I would like our team so much better without Vernon…sorry I’m still disgusted about the whole deal)
FWIW
Derek Carty of Baseball Prospectus:
“Yikes, that’s an ugly looking trade at first glance. Chatwood is a future back-end starter at best; Iannetta is an above average offensive catcher.”
not sure what point he's making
Is one year of a slightly above average offensive catcher really better than 6 years control of a potential #5 starter?
Looks like he is a slow starter judging by career splits.
I like the move. Tyler is a local guy who I played against in high school, so it is tough for me to like any move that sends him away. But I like Iannetta alot.
Career OPS of nearly .800 is nothing to shake a stick at. Especially considering that Mathis’s career OPS is .557
Looks like a precursor of moves to come. I imagine DiPoto is going to move some parts for minor league arms to compensate for this.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
That makes sense.
I guess there’s a first time for everything.
jk
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Nov 30, 2011 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
I can see the Rox flipping Chatwood in a package for Prado
Chatwood and Seth Smith might get the job done. Chatwood and Fowler would definitely do it. How bad do the Rockies need pitching that they’ll keep Chatwood?
Why would chatwood be useful to the Braves?
They have tons on tons of pitching
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by mathisrocks5 on Nov 30, 2011 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
Doubt It
The Rockies are petrified that starting pitchers never want to sign with them. They are now hoarding young pitching.
by YouthofToday on Nov 30, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
Because the Braves need a pitcher.
The Braves need bats right now.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis
I'm going to miss Chatwood...
… Dude was only 21, it would have been nice to see what he could have done as he matured.
I’m glad we secured the services of a beefy, bearded Italian to catch for us though.
Later Jeff.
Because you can never have enough pitching?
I don’t know why they’d be eager to trade Prado, though. But maybe he’s not as valuable to them as he was to my fantasy team in 2010.
He likes the deal. Here is what he said.
Jerry Dipoto made his first significant move thas general manager of the Los Angeles Angels earlier today when he sent right-hander Tyler Chatwood to the Colorado Rockies for catcher Chris Iannetta. As a follow-up to that trade, Colorado is close to a deal with catcher Ramon Hernandez for two years at a little less than $6.5 million.
The Rockies swore Iannetta was their catcher for 2012, but apparently had their fingers crossed when they said it, as they’ve shipped him off for a pitcher who doesn’t fit the profile of a guy who’ll succeed at Coors Field.
Iannetta scarcely got a fair shake from Jim Tracy, who’s one of the worst tactical managers in the game today, and he’s much better off out of the organization. Iannetta has a solid eye at the plate, although his 2011 OBP (.370) was boosted by hitting in front of the pitcher so often, and has 20-plus home run power if the Angels let him play every day. He’s at least an average overall defensive catcher, better at throwing than receiving, and that plus his offensive profile is more valuable than the $3.55 million he’ll be paid this year. It does raise the question of what the Angels intend to do with Hank Conger, still a very promising prospect with a similar offensive projection of patience and power but a need for regular playing time to reach it. Either way, I would like to think the Jeff Mathis experiment is over, several years after the conclusion was obvious.
The Rockies, meanwhile, get Chatwood, who has arm strength and a plus curveball that won’t break as well in Coors Field, and who has to work to get downhill plane on his fastball. He didn’t belong in the big leagues in 2011 — ex-Angels GM Tony Reagins’ legacy just looks worse with each passing day — and his performance there was awful, with nearly a walk per strikeout, and it could have been worse had he not made half his starts in spacious Angel Stadium. Maybe Chatwood finds success in Colorado’s pen, but he didn’t necessarily project as a starter in Anaheim, and his repertoire and lack of control don’t project as well in Denver.
Hernandez, who I had at No. 32 on my free-agent rankings, started off well in 2011 but was awful in the second half. Considering that he’s 35 years old, it’s hard to see a ton of upside here.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 30, 2011 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have yet to read this comment considering how long it is. Just wanted to say that.
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by migfig on Nov 30, 2011 8:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I read it, but felt dirty for reading plagiarism
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 1, 2011 6:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Finally. ....
now we can package Mathis (our top player) for that #4 starter we need. Verlander is available, right?
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by matthiasstephan on Nov 30, 2011 5:51 PM PST reply actions
No, but I heard their CF is
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by mathisrocks5 on Nov 30, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Its John...
Hellweg
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Nov 30, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
sorry pattimelt it wasn't meant as back sass
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Nov 30, 2011 6:02 PM PST reply actions
reply to pattimelt
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Nov 30, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
all good..
my brain can’t function today..
It’s too windy here already, and my dogs are pretty much on top of me cause they get scared of the winds.. Damn chicken shit dogs. Have you ever tried to type with a 60 lb dog in your LAP??
I think this was a good deal
An enormous upgrade. Seems like Keith Law and Fangraphs are right on target about this one.
I like Chatwood, but I am more excited to see what Richards and Williams can do. We can live with this loss.
I... feel... HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Captain Thailand on Nov 30, 2011 6:17 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Not sure yet how I feel about this...
Chatwood was young and still needed to learn. But we can’t keep all the young guys.
I like Ianeeta – I have for a while.
Gonna think about this one for a while.
Gonna play “devil’s advocate” right now… how long before Dipoto is bashed in here if Ianeeta does poorly?
Ianetta will never be worse than Mathis, so no need to worry in this department.
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
Love the trade
mainly for the Mathis release. from what i’ve seen Iannetta does a better job than Premie as a defensive guy, and he seems to have a better bat. i’ll take that over what Chatwood was showing last season. maybe the move to the NL helps him out.
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They'll probably just release Bobby Wilson instead just to mess with us
Jerry Dipoto, Vampire Killer
Mathis not a done deal yet...
The Angels are ill-served by a front office that willfully disregards both modern and classic performance measurements when it comes to Jeff Mathis. Astonishing, and nearly unforgiveable.
by LittleCupcakes on Nov 30, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
So does this mean Sosh
is gonna hafta pay the Rockies child support as part of the deal?
Agree that not every promising pitching prospect turns into an all-star. If Chatwood wasn’t looking like more than a 4 or 5 guy, then this makes sense. He might’ve been a highly ranked prospect, but maybe Dipoto (and others) had a different assessment of him after his first full year. Maybe some intangibles weren’t there—confidence, inner drive, smarts, blah, blah, blah—stuff that doesn’t end up in the box score.
Terrible deal
Jeff deserves another chance, and he might do well if y’all get off his back!
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Just wait... if he does, you'll see
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Mathis hit a HR too I think
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Nov 30, 2011 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
They really can be.
Legit power.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Every year, once a year, on his birthday.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
How about a trade?
Your Chatwood jersey for my Estaban Yan jersey. I’ll even throw in a Mathis rookie card.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
how about a reggie willits autograph too?
by Balls and Strikes on Nov 30, 2011 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
this is just plain sad
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
I got's Sherman Corbett
Should change my screen name to Stuck with Premium.
by stuck in Romania on Nov 30, 2011 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
I have a signed Cup of World Series Hero
Alex Ochoa
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
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2005 giveaway Steve Finley kids jersey
any takers?
I actually have a Reggie Willits signed ball.
If you need really it, it is yours.
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Well, Grantland Rice can go to hell as far as I am concerned." - Gene Autry
by Angelsfan015 on Nov 30, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
I won a fan appreciation raffle at the 66ers game this year and got a Mitch Maier signed baseall
My first thought was, cool a prospect.
After I looked him up… Mitch maier… I found out he was a crappy prospect 5 years ago that makes willits look skilled. So much for fan appreciation. Why the hell didnt they give out mike trout autographs?
by Balls and Strikes on Nov 30, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
You have my sympathies.
"Grantland Rice, the great sportswriter, once said 'It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.'
Well, Grantland Rice can go to hell as far as I am concerned." - Gene Autry
I for one will miss Chatwood.
I thought the youngster did pretty well last season, considering he was thrown into the rotation without much preparation. But hot damn…it looks like we may finally be rid of Mathis. I hope.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
My experience says that "new" GMs feel the need to do SOMETHING, right or wrong.
The “logical” next move is for DiPoto to non-tender JMathis. We’ll see.
Let him be weaver's personal catcher
Until his FA
Representing the Angels in Sin City.
by maze88 on Nov 30, 2011 7:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I love the arguments for Chatwood
Argument #1) He is 21
reference to his numbers in the minors……. HE IS SO YOUNG
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
f the formatting
WHATEVER YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
This is why the human/panda experiment that created you was a travesty
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by Commander_Nate on Nov 30, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE
I cannot wait to be incredibly underwhelming and disappointing when I finally meet all you guys. I might wear a panda hat so you we can easily transition
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
don't you sport a mohawk?
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 1, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
You better be a panda
Or some bad shit is gonna go down. Just sayin’.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 1, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
I don't follow.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Nov 30, 2011 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
He's saying some are mainly mad because Chatwood is young
And don’t have much beyond that. Seems to be fairly accurate, both here and on MLBTR. The latter is making it sound like we gave away Strasburg or something.
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by Commander_Nate on Nov 30, 2011 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Sar chasm
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Nov 30, 2011 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Damn
I’m still falling right now.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Nov 30, 2011 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
Totally agree though.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Nov 30, 2011 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Ill take that over "He's better than Mathis"
"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST
by No Bologna Polonia on Nov 30, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Not sold on Iannetta, but there are obvious positives
Since he played his home games in Denver, I’m only going to focus on road stats. Lifetime, he is just above .200 avg. and just above .700 OPS on the road. However, he also has 26 bombs in just over 700 ABs on the road. The best part of all is his contract…one year guaranteed for about $3 mil plus a team option….therefore, if he is a bust or if Conger blossoms, we can trade him or let him go with little payroll harm. It’s nice to see that DiPoto thinks of these details. My only major concern is that I saw some potential in Chatwood, but hey, who am I to argue with the former pitcher DiPoto. The best thing about Stoneman as GM (remember, he was a pitcher, too) was that our pitching was 100 times better when he resigned than when he took over (although the hitting suffered over that span).
The market up 500 and Mathis trade on the horizon...
my birthday was last week
Hello Ianneta, Goodbye Jeffy!!!!
Things just might be looking up………
"Grantland Rice, the great sportswriter, once said 'It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.'
Well, Grantland Rice can go to hell as far as I am concerned." - Gene Autry
Not sure how I feel about this one
This seems more like a “win now” move when the Angels aren’t really in a position to win now. The better long-term move would have been to just dump Mathis and pick up something serviceable from the free-agent ash heap, like Jose Molina or Ryan Doumit. Those options are gone now. I wasn’t a believer in Chatwalk, but even if he’s only capable of holding the final spot in a rotation, five more years of slightly sub-average starting pitching is still a lot to trade for one year of Chris Ianetta. Maybe I’ll feel differently if he doesn’t void his player option.
Also, Mike Scioscia cannot be happy about Ianetta’s career 4.52 CERA.
You can't always get what you want
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you need
by Rock Island Line on Nov 30, 2011 8:20 PM PST reply actions
Chatwood is only 21 but he is going to be nothing more than a #4 or #5 starter.
He doesn’t have the control to be a top tier pitcher. I don’t mind giving him up. We can find another solid 4 or 5 in Richards and Williams. We are a team that can go out and spend on a top tier front of the end rotation guy. I like this trade and we get rid of Mathis.
Bring on the OREO Line!
by angelskid2210 on Nov 30, 2011 8:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Going with the chain being only as strong as its weakest link...
DiPoto’s response to the Mathis question, “we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it” indicates that offensively that has been done. Chatwood would have been the weakest link in the rotation, I’m confident another, better starter will be signed soon.
I forgot that Tyler Chatwood was born in Fontana, where I currently live. That sucks.
"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca
by migfig on Nov 30, 2011 8:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Living in Fontana DOES suck...
poor you.
"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 30, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I find a way to live happily though. haha School and work keep me busy.
"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca
by migfig on Nov 30, 2011 8:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Opium of the masses.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Nov 30, 2011 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
I just moved from Fontana
Because it sucks!
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
Rangers
Will pick up Mathis as back up and he’ll have his best numbers!!!!
by CaptainCarlos on Nov 30, 2011 8:57 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Mathis will hit .220 with 7 homers.
#Offensive juggernaut.
The 2011 Angels, the biggest cocktease ever.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Nov 30, 2011 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Shit, I didn’t even think of this possibility!
"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca
by migfig on Nov 30, 2011 9:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He'll tell Jeffy... "Get the F*** out of my number!"
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
by red floyd on Dec 1, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't usually scream or swear at the ball park. I save that for my TV....
But when we clinched in 2009 I had a nice seat a few rows back from the Ranger dug out and I definitely belted that at the top of my lungs. He looked right at me like he wanted to take a bat to my face.
I was at the next game.
In DEADEND’s seats at F109. I was shouting that at the douchebag every time he was on the field.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Kinsler was caught saying that after a Halos game at Arlington.
I believe that’s when Lackey said “We Fly Flags”. One of his Horse-face’s finer moments.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Torii said we fly flags
Kinsler said that quote in Anaheim I believe.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis
Can someone check the archives? I'm sure it was Horseface.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
wrong ...
Lackey: “we fly flags.”
Torii: “we don’t take no mess.”
Rev: “can I have a dollar?”
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 4, 2011 6:28 AM PST up reply actions
I'll believe Mathis is gone when it happens.
This could just as easily mean a trade of Hank Conger. If it is a Conger trade, hopefully it will involve a top 3rd baseman or a young #3 pitcher with upside.
Why would they trade Conger? When they have other pieces they could move.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Nov 30, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
with Mathis gone who's gonna say quotes like " he's throwing the piss out of that dang ball"
Who gives a shit! C-ya
"he's throwing the piss out of that dang ball".
What’s wrong with that? I understand the hell out of dat.
It's nice to have another backup catcher
Hopefully he’ll do a good job of warming Mathis’ glove
I am starting to have second thoughts about this
I mean Ianetta is not premium. I have yet to read anything about his soft hands. His CERA sucks and he cannot fake out a baserunner stealing second by throwing to first. Again what is the use?
don't know if any Rox fans have been here yet...
Here’s a take:
I wouldn’t over-worry about Chris’ home/road splits (even if that’s all you ever hear about for Colorado hitters – and never about other players but I digress…) The Rox play most of their road games in LA, SF, and SD – tough places to hit. Coors isn’t the band shell its reputed to be and usually hitters with power in Denver make the adjustment pretty well. Holliday is a good example. Iannetta works counts like a crazy SOB. There has always seemed like there’s more in the tank, that if he didn’t always wait so long for his pitch, his BA would go up. Rev Halofan may have a point about being the 8-hole batter in the NL but Chris can still battle. He doesn’t throw out enough baserunners but Rockies pitchers universally praise the way he calls a game. You end up really rooting for the guy as he works really hard and he’s one of those “weird stats” guys that’s hard to pin down. Personally, I’ll miss him.
I guess we add Chatwood to our list of young pitchers who could go either way. I’m not sure I agree with the Rev’s assessment that Chatwood’s K/9 will definitely go up at Coors as better outfielders and the incredible humidor (if you’ve ever been here for any length of time, you know how dry our air is) has made fly balls more likely to be outs than homers of late.
I voted ‘helps both teams’ in your poll.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
by Since1993 on Nov 30, 2011 10:19 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, you bet.
I enjoyed reading this discussion.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Nice comment, but you lost me at "better outfielders..."
We got three CF’ers out there. :)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 1, 2011 6:25 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I meant that the Rockies now employ better outfielders than they previously had.
Holliday and Hawpe were less than stellar defenders.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Ok here is another way to look at this trade.
By non tendering or trading Mathis, trading Chatwood and possibly trading Wilson the Angels will have come close to totally paying for Iannetta’s salary for 2012. That is important when you consider that almost every other new catcher would have cost 5-7 million out of the 20 that we had to spend this season.
Now we have upgraded the catching situation and still have 20 million or so to sign free agents. That allows us to sign a guy like CJ and just maybe a decent closer. In fact if JDP can reduce our current payroll a bit more we might even be able to get an elite arm like Bell.
I feel this move was made as part of a plan and that alone makes me feel much better about it.
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
+1
I love your take. I hadn’t though of it from a salary perspective yet. You’re dead on, if we trade away another spare part or two for a few prospects; all of a sudden we have even more room to make some major improvements via free agency. Awesome point!
Life is short, enjoy the ride.
I just want to point out
Naps 2010 .238/.316/.468, 28 years old, bearded, Italian
Ianetta 2011 .238/.370/.414, 28 years old, bearded, Italian
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Nov 30, 2011 11:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
TRUTH!
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 1, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
I'm all warm and fuzzy now.
And that’s not just the scotch speaking!
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 1, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Let's say Dipoto is deep into negotiations with Wilson
Does this put as in a weaker spot, now that we need starting pitching even more than we did before? Or is this trade irrelevant to our search for a SP?
by Rock Island Line on Dec 1, 2011 6:40 AM PST reply actions
No impact
Chatwood was rushed to the majors and definately not ready. He’s not going to make an impact at the ML level for two or three years. I suspect he would have been in AA or AAA for most of 2012 with the Angels.
From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average
No
We were gonna go after a top pitcher to replace Joel Pinero.
Bottom line -- we're a better team in 2012 for just $1.7 million more
And the symbolism is purposeful — Soth, I’m taking your toy away from you.
And while I’m a believer in hoarding young talent, the best time to trade them is before they’ve proved they’re not prospects. If you have solid reason to believe that Chatwood will never be a good pitcher, now’s the time to let him go. (This logic may also apply to Mark Trumbo….)
Nah.
This is a what’s the difference kind of trade.
They keep Jeffy, and start Chris. Except on personal days, where Premium puts on the tools for the Dream, every five to six working. Plus day after night.
After Chris gets in a majority of the starts in April. We compare numbers. Soth makes something up, and then, Lyle prints it.
Iannetta becomes the new “insert nickname HERE”, ala Branyan.
The best defensive hands in baseball returns to his roost.
Sarcasm?
Dipoto seemed to make a clear statement with this trade: he needed to upgrade catcher, and he did. He went out of his way to praise Ianetta’s receiving skills and his bat speaks for itself. Mathis is a goner, and there’s nothing Big Papa Mike can do about it.
Don't know what to think about this trade
I think 5 years of control of Chatwood and signing Hernandez would be better than one year of Ianetta (assuming he opts out of his contract). Chatwood seems like he could at least be a back end starter.
Based on what? Age?
His numbers are average at best in the minors, he has not developed anything close to a third pitch, his fastball is awful, small frame, and has very sub par control.
Where can you justify him being anything other than a long relief guy in his future? Show me in any other number than his age.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I wondered about his future as a 7th inning guy
Nice heater and big hook. Then I realized how much I hate when a reliever comes in and doesn’t pound the strike zone.
Exactly
At the moment he does not have enough pitches to be an effective starter. The level of his two pitches are not elite enough to make up for this.
His control is not good enough to pitch in the majors in general, bullpen or otherwise. Sure he is young, however, that does not mean he will absolutely for sure fix these problems.
For a slight bump in payroll we absolutely are a better team for 2012 with Iannetta, that is a guarantee.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I may have overestimated what he will become
People like Keith Law and others really like this trade for the Angels. Yeah I think mainly it is based on his age and hope that his command/control would come around for him to be a back end starter.
by LAA of A Fan on Dec 1, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Signing Hernandez
Dipoto has stated several times how much he values players who “control the count” (and how fucking wonderful is it to hear that from an Angel GM??). He traded a player who doesn’t do that at all for one who does it pretty damn well, while upgrading the biggest hole on the roster.
Hernandez had a good first half last year but he’s old and has generally been just an average offensive catcher. Look closely at their defensive stats and you’ll see there’s not a whole lot of difference there, either. There were never even whispers that they were considering Hernandez, so Dipoto clearly got the guy he wanted.
It was worth it
Came about naturally! Besides, this is basically the nail in Jeffy’s coffin.
Blame me for jinxing it if it doesn’t happen.
as will I and everyone in H Heaven
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 1, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
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