What would it take for us to land Martin Prado?

One last move this off-season to bolster our bench and provide a little pop. What would it take to get Prado from the Braves? They need a veteran SS for this year. Izzy fits that bill and he's pretty much excess for us w/ our youth coming up. It's said that the Braves GM wants a LF w/ some thump in his bat... How about Vernon Wells, and we'd eat $11M per year? Plus we could get a mid level prospect in return.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/braves-rumors.html

1. Trade Izturis and Wells for Prado and mid level prospect.

1. Bourjos CF - OF
2. Kendrick 2nd - OF, 1st
3. Hunter RF - OF
4. Pujols 1st - DH, 3rd
5. Morales DH - 1st
6. Trumbo 3rd - 1st, LF, RF, and DH
7. Iannetta C
8. Aybar SS
9. Trout LF

Bench 1: Conger C - 1st
Bench 2: Abreu OF
Bench 3: Callaspo 3rd - 2nd
Bench 4: Prado 3rd - 2nd, LF, RF
Bench 5: Segura SS - 2nd

SP1: Weaver
SP2: Haren
SP3: Wilson
SP4: Santana
SP5: Williams
BP1: Hawkins
BP2: Takahashi
BP3: Cassevah
BP4: Thompson or Kohn
Set-up: Downs
Closer: Walden

Dealing Wells allows us to bring Torii back on a 2yr deal to finish his career. If he just loses it this year, go after Ethier or hell maybe even Ichiro next off-season. I think the Braves may take Wells knowing they're only paying $10M per year for the next three years.

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I am trying to wrap my head around this and then came upon the

“or even go after Ichiro next off season” and the head shaking started. It would be nice to move Wells but we don’t ever need to go after ichiro next off season. This is the new Angels, not the old Angels that signed marquee players that should have retired 3 yrs before we get them.

CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!

by steelgolf on Dec 11, 2011 7:19 AM PST reply actions

prado trade?

I don’t think Prado would give us anything that Trout couldn’t give us for less (especially if we have to eat VW’s contract) In fact I think Trout is probably a much better defensive player. Sure Prado might be reasonable for what he makes now, but if we eat Vernon’s contract you’re essentially paying 13million per year for a .260 15HR guy. Trout can do that for much less $$

by spoken through Angels on Dec 12, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions

Josh Willingham vs. Vernon Wells

Willingham Profile
OBP
2009: .367
2010: .389
2011: .332

SLG
2009: .496
2010: .459
2011: .477

WAR
2009: 2.6
2010: 3.0
2011: 2.1

Wells Profile
OBP
2009: .311
2010: .331
2011: .248

SLG
2009: .400
2010: .515
2011: .412

WAR
2009: 0.2
2010: 3.8
2011: 0.3

Age is not a factor given that both of them will be 33 for the 2012 season. Wells was born in December 1978 while Willingham was born in February 1979.

As per the stats above, any team that wants a LF with a decent bat should just sign free agent Josh Willingham. Wells’ performance has been so poor in two of the last three years I doubt any team wants him. The Angels would have to take on an absurd portion of his contract in order to trade him.

(all stats from Fangraphs)

by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 11, 2011 7:38 AM PST reply actions 2 recs

Willingham really impressed last year playing in Oakland.

just about 30/100 for a dismall offensive team.

by Wally's World on Dec 11, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions

Need a closer

by big0lbad on Dec 11, 2011 9:26 AM PST reply actions

We need starting pitching....

…Behind the Big 4, there’s a huge cliff/drop off throughout the entire organization in starting pitching.

I hope we can sign a cheap 5th Starter(i.e. Jeff Francis), let Reckling & Richards develop more. Use Williams as our swing man. Better off making even minor league trades to aquire the pitching. God help us if any of our SP go on the DL.

But keeping everyone we have on the roster right now will give us that 2009 offensive depth that dropped off considerably in 2010 & 2011.

by cuscus85 on Dec 11, 2011 9:56 AM PST reply actions

Francis is awful

Win-loss record be damned, he’s still very overrated. We’d probably get someone better out of an Abreu trade.

by TheAntiSox on Dec 11, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions

I'd say relief pitching

And maybe a #5 starter
Is more important at this point.

We’re good at 3B with Callaspo.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on Dec 11, 2011 10:08 AM PST reply actions

Wow they really want Izturis...

maybe we could get a guy like Randall Delgado for him

Also saw this comment

I say Jurrjens to the Halos for Erick Aybar!

I can’t decide if Aybar’s value is really that high or if the guy is an idiot but I would take that trade any day and take my chances with one or more of Izturis/Amarista/Segura at SS.

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 11, 2011 11:10 AM PST reply actions

I'd do it too.

by TheAntiSox on Dec 11, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions

Get it done JeDi

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by SportsChicken on Dec 11, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions

Jair Jurrjens?

Jurrjens hasn’t pitched more than 160 innings since 2009 and with the rotation we already have, I would think Aybar’s speed and defense would be more valueable in a playoff series. I don’t think we would go with a 5 man rotation in the playoffs anyway.

Plus as a lead-off hitter, Aybar’s career line is .284/.331/.400
as opposed to Peter Bourjos .254/.276/.467 …so it would be good to keep him around until Bourjos gets up to par in the leadoff spot.

We’re better off signing a 5th starter for a 1 yr 1 mill deal.

Or trade Abreu for Guthrie.

by cuscus85 on Dec 11, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions

It's academic at this point

The most recent stories indicate the Braves have some concern about Tommy Hunter’s shoulder and may table the idea of trading Jurrjens, since he wouldn’t be “surplus” if Hunter lands on the DL.

That aside, it makes little sense to trade for Jurrjens to be the 5th starter. I think David Stern would void that deal, too, just on general principle.

"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells

by George Kaplan on Dec 11, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions

Tommy Hanson?

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check

by hauldog on Dec 11, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions

Yes

Always get those two confused. I think it is damn inconsiderate of them to have their names so similar. Commissioner David Stern should step in and void one of their names.

"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells

by George Kaplan on Dec 11, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions

Nice

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check

by hauldog on Dec 11, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions

I disagree

we have Santana and Haren entering FAgency after this season and Jurjens is signed through 2014. We have little to no pitching depth in the minors so this is a very favorable deal for the Angels.

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 11, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions

Club options for 2013

for both Haren and Ervin.

by BigGame48 on Dec 11, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions

No, for one of their prospects or Prado

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by SportsChicken on Dec 11, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions

NTC

Wells has a full no-trade clause in his contract. He waived it for the purposes of the trade to the Angels, but that doesn’t mean the clause is nullified in perpetuity.

In short, there is nothing for him to gain in being traded to Atlanta. The only conceivable advantage is that he would play closer to his home in Texas, and that essentially caps the list of “pros”. To make the move wouldn’t get him to a contending team from one doomed to fail, it wouldn’t provide him a better playing environment or better fans.

He will start in Anaheim unless he hits with Mathis-esque bewilderment, and his salary is the same in Anaheim or ATL. There is no reason for him to endorse a trade to the Braves.

"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells

by George Kaplan on Dec 11, 2011 11:38 AM PST reply actions

We have a Martin Prado. His name is Alberto Callaspo.

Prado is nothing special.

by moralesforpresident on Dec 11, 2011 2:08 PM PST reply actions 3 recs

Bingo, Callaspo did great last year

he improved considerably over the previous year and I would expect him to match last season at the very least, I don’t see a drop off from his OBP. This coming from someone who called him Collapso in 2010.

CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!

by steelgolf on Dec 11, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions