Thursday Halolinks: Peter Bourjos Injury Update...Wait, What?
by WiHaloFan on Dec 15, 2011 6:38 AM PST
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- Here's something I hadn't heard about until reading this post: Angels center fielder Peter Bourjos has plenty of reasons to be excited about 2012 season - angels.com. Apparently Bourjos is in the process of rehabbing a couple injuries, "Bourjos has spent almost his entire offseason in Arizona, lifting weights while rehabbing groin and hip ailments at the same facility as Angels first baseman Kendrys Morales." I try to stay up on all the Angel news, but this one slipped right by me. Apparently Bourjos was hurting at the end of last season, "Next week, Bourjos hopes to start running again -- he tried about a month ago, but the hip injury that bothered him toward the end of the season flared up, so he shut it down -- and will also begin doing baseball activities, which should put him right on schedule." It doesn't sound like a big deal, but still, whenever a player has an injury that affects his most valuable skill-set as this does to Bourjos' speed, there's reason for concern. Especially if there's a chance for it to flare up during the season.
- I'm not going to bet on a return of Darren Oliver to the Halos: Source: Four clubs interested in free agent Oliver - Yardbarker, "Four American League contenders — the Rangers, Angels, Red Sox, and Blue Jays — have shown interest in free-agent left-hander Darren Oliver, a major-league source told FOXSports.com." From what I remember following the 2009 season, Oliver wanted to play for the Rangers mainly because they are so close to his home in Dallas. The rumor was the Angels had agreed with Oliver not to offer arbitration in order to make his signing with Texas that much easier. If this were true, I can't see his return to Anaheim happening.
- When a team signs or acquires a player like Albert Pujols, there's going to be something written about him EVERYDAY. Here's today's entry: Why pitch to Albert Pujols? - ESPN Los Angeles. Angels' manager Mike Scioscia provides an interesting quote in this post, "Right now, with a player like Albert, there are really only two ways to protect him: One is getting guys on base in front of him. Another is having some depth behind him, because he gets on base a lot." Interesting point about protecting a hitter by having guys on base in front of him. I know, it's pretty obvious a team is less likely to pitch around a good hitter when there are runners on base, but something I never thought of when contemplating ways to protect a hitter. So who are the hitters that are going to protect Pujols by getting on base in front of him?
- Sam doing some tune-up work before his "just a matter of time" appearance on "Late Night with David Letterman": FanGraphs Audio: Sam Miller of the OC Register - FanGraphs Baseball
- Baseball's "next big thing": Yu Darvish's fate now in hands of Japanese team - MLB.com. "According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the Yankees posted an offer, and he also tweeted, according to three MLB executives, that the Rangers and Blue Jays are candidates to win the bidding. The Angels, Rays and Twins did not submit a bid, according to several reports." I get why the Angels weren't involved in the Darvish derby, but here's hoping the Rangers continue to fall short of their goals. Here's an interesting post about the previous Japanese imports: Checking in on past products of posting system - CBSSports.com
- Today's sabermetric lesson: Adjusting defense efficiency by the quality of pitching - The Hardball Times. "What if you could adjust DER? What would it tell you?"
- Ah, how cool is that? Kemp, Rodgers come to Ryan Braun's defense - CBSSports.com. "Nobody's proven anything man ... we don't know anything." Kemp told TMZ.com. "That's a good dude. That's my homie." I want to be Matt Kemp's homie!
- One of my favorite Angels' websites adds to the Halo lore: Catching Up With Some Correspondance - The Angels, In Order
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Pujols, Morales, Hunter
Or is Kendrys is still hurt: Pujols, Hunter, Trumbo
Christmas List: DFA Mathis, Trade Abreu, Fire Reagins, Sign Buehrle
"Why [pitcher wins] should be taken as a record of the pitcher's ability is a conundrum to which no one has as yet vouchsafed an answer." M.G. Lloyd; Baseball Magazine - 1908
by Nathan Aderhold on Dec 15, 2011 6:47 AM PST reply actions
*if
Christmas List: DFA Mathis, Trade Abreu, Fire Reagins, Sign Buehrle
"Why [pitcher wins] should be taken as a record of the pitcher's ability is a conundrum to which no one has as yet vouchsafed an answer." M.G. Lloyd; Baseball Magazine - 1908
by Nathan Aderhold on Dec 15, 2011 7:09 AM PST up reply actions
If you ever need a character witness
Matt Kemp is your guy!……. but on an unrelated note… I think we have Howie and either Aybar or Pete to set the table for pujols and then we back him up with Kendrys, (if he is healthy) and Torii, VW, Trumbo in some order
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
Pujols, Kendrys, Hunter, Wells, Trumbo...
In front of Pujols: HK47
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by maze88 on Dec 15, 2011 6:52 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Exactly what I thought
P-Bo, HK47, Pujols, K-Mo, Hunter, Wells, Trumbo, Iannetta, Aybar.
I know a lot has to go right for this to happen but I can dream.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Dec 15, 2011 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
I'd still flip Bourjos and Aybar
At least for spring training and see who produces more.
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by maze88 on Dec 15, 2011 9:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
and I'd flip Trumbo and Wells
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by howiestheman on Dec 15, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
glad to know everyone is on the same page
When I flip a coin I dont say heads or tails, I say Halos or Spurs
Trumbo, Pujols, Kendrick
Whoever is batting ahead of Pujols is going to see a lot of good pitches to hit, and that should help Trumbo with his OBP and K problems. Kendrick is good enough to make pitchers think twice about intentionally walking Pujols.
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I understand your logic completely. Why do I not think it will happen.....often?
Expanding on that, Callaspo and Abreu should hit #1 and #2.
I fear that we will waste the spot ahead of Pujols on Vernon Wells
I just have a feeling that Soth will think that would be a great way to get Wells over the dumpster fire season he had last year, and he will stubbornly stick with it until July
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only if Morales isn't back.
if Morales is back, you gotta throw Howie in front of Pujols. Howie has become a consistent hitter with a power threat. I think his numbers go thru the roof in front of Pujols, but I also think he is better equipped to set the table than Trumbo is.
I agree
I purposely didn’t include Morales because depending on his return bit us in the ass last season, so him coming back should be seen as a luxury instead of a necessity. If Morales is healthy, 3/4/5 should be Pujols/Morales/Trumbo with Kendrick batting second. That would be a fearsome 2-5.
Fight on!
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I think this would be ideal
pete
kendrick
pujols
morales
hunter
callaspo
wells
iannetta
aybar
(could switch aybar & pete depending on if they are facing a lhp or rhp)
also, i start drooling to think of trout leading off
by river-z on Dec 15, 2011 7:26 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Trumbo?
Be a Angel Fan till I die... The only good team to come out of Texas is my Dallas Cowboys Baby
Making Trumbo a bench player is foolish
This team isn’t exactly full of live bats, you don’t sit the guy who led the team in home runs and RBIs. I will believe Morales is back when I see it. Relying on his return cost us last season, we shouldn’t make that mistake again.
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Are you down with the OBP?
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
by NathanielS on Dec 15, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Should improve, he was only a rookie last year
Put Trumbo ahead of Pujols in the lineup and I guarantee Trumbo’s OBP skyrockets. Whoever bats ahead of Pujols is going to see a lot of good pitches, that would really help Trumbo increase his OBP.
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I see more as a testament to his bat control.
Though you’re right, he should improve.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
If our batting coach wasn't Mickey "Walks are bullshit" Hatcher
I would be a lot more confident about Trumbo’s OBP improving. He should have some improvement just from experience and natural progression, but it would help if we had a batting coach whose philosophy wasn’t “Swing at every pitch and eventually you’ll hit one”.
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I don't know why that means it should improve
I think it could improve, but it could just as easily go down. I think he snuck up on a lot of pitchers last year. I don’t think any decent pitcher will give him a fastball anywhere near the strike zone. Based on last year, I’m not confident he’ll learn to lay off enough of those.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
"Yeah, you know me..."
You down with OBP?
More Howie please...
by hk47 on Dec 15, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I will also believe in K-Mo's recovery when I see it.
I put him in the #4 spot in an “ideal” lineup. I don’t think we’re going to start the season with an “ideal” lineup that includes K-Mo. but I sure hope it happens because if he’s back to form there’s nobody else like him in the lineup to bat behind Pujols.
Huh thats crazy. If we can get trumbo in the lineup you want him in the lineup not on the bench.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 15, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
I'm hoping the Rangers do get Darvish
No matter how good he is, he still will play only every 5th day, and the total damage figures to match what the Red Sox will have paid for Dice K ($100M, including posting fee and salary). That money is a huge outlay for a player who may be the pitching equivalent of Ichiro, or the newest iteration of Dice K.
The Rangers have far more financial constraints than the Angels, and signing Darvish would put an enormous crimp in their ability to retain guys like Hamilton, Kinsler (extension) and Cruz.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
Great point
If they spend their money on Darvish, they’ll probably not get Fielder either. He’s the only guy I’m worried about them signing. I wish he’d hurry up and sign somewhere!
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 15, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
Me too. I would like Yu to play in Arlington, and melt in the Summer swelt.
by eyespy on Dec 15, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Japan's summers are notoriously hot and humid
Don’t think he’d have a problem in Arlington. The bigger question is will he be MLB ready. I’m not as high on Japanese pitchers as a lot of people are.
I lived there for twenty years and know about the Summers in the Land of Wa.
The Japanese hate them, and do not like having to be a part of them, at all. Looking at the weather sites. Texas is a whole different animal from most of the domed stadiums in the Pacific League.
by eyespy on Dec 15, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"Texas is a whole different animal..."
In so many ways, not just in terms of weather. I highly doubt Darvish would go to Texas, for a plethora of reasons.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
But would he go for a plethora of pinatas?
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
That guy's infamous
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 15, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Jefe, do you know what a plethora is?
"Grantland Rice, the great sportswriter, once said 'It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.'
Well, Grantland Rice can go to hell as far as I am concerned." - Gene Autry
by Angelsfan015 on Dec 15, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
It will wipe out their cash flow for the winter. They are already making payments on stadium improvements etc.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
PLUS...
If they win the posting but can’t agree to contract terms, they’ll look cheap and inept.
This is a lose/lose from my perspective, anyway.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 15, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
I'd like to see Callaspo or Abreu bat in front of Pujols
they have the best OBP on the team (sans Pujols), so it seems to me they’d be the ideal fit. for some reason I prefer Howie lower in the lineup, seems like he’s had more success when he bats after the meat of the order as opposed to in front of it, but it could just be in my head. I haven’t checked any stats to see if its true or not, but to me it just seems that way.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 15, 2011 7:46 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
is that in order of highest to lowest?
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 15, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
OBP is important, but I think it will be Howie or Callaspo in the 2nd spot because Abreu isn't going to play as much as those guys
AC .366
BA .353
HK .338
I still prefer Callaspo in the 2 spot
the guy never strikes out
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 15, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
I am too lazy to look it up, but didnt ianetta have a far higher obp than any of those 3 last year?
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 15, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
keep n mind he hit in front of the pitcher a lot
not to say he can’t get on base
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 15, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
It was true up through last year
Howie lower in the order OPSed like 200 points higher than if you batter him in one of the first three spots. I haven’t checked the splits recently, though, to see if his success last year decreased that gap. I do know he was fine there last year, so I would keep him up there.
I would like to see this lineup:
1. Callaspo
2. Kendrick
3. Pujols
4. Hunter
5. Morales/Abreu/Trumbo
6. Wells
7. Bourjos
8. Aybar
9. Iannetta
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I like this one
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 15, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Only issue I have with this one is that I want to see some speed and baserunning ability at the top of the lineup. Our best guys at that are Aybar and Bourjos and def. isn’t Callaspo. I still think like last year it will be Aybar and or Bourjos at the top.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 15, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
This is what I think too
Pujols will bat third. Callaspo or Abreu should bat second. In an “ideal” lineup, Kendrys would bat fourth, and Trumbo would be the super-utility player.
My lineup against lefties:
CF Bourjos, 3B Callaspo, 1B Pujols, DH Morales, RF Hunter, 2B Kendrick, LF Wells, Ca Ianetta, SS Aybar
My lineup against righties:
SS Aybar, LF Abreu, 1B Pujols, DH Morales, RF Hunter, 2B Kendrick, 3B Callaspo, Ca Ianetta, CF Bourjos
Aybar should never, ever lead off on any major league team
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I swear to God if I see Callspo batting third ONE time.....
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Re-sign Darin Erstad and lock him into the 5-hole.
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we use to discuss.
you would prefer Izturis instead?
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 15, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Recognizing that this has no chance in hell of being adopted...
vs RHP vs LHP
LF Trout LF Trout
DH Abreu C Ianetta
1B Pujols 1B Pujols
RF Hunter RF Hunter
3B Callaspo 3B Callaspo
2B Kendrick 2B Kendrick
C Conger DH Trumbo
CF Bourjos CF Bourjos
SS Aybar SS Aybar
Wells gets traded or benched. If K-Mo returns 100% healthy & raking (and I’ll believe that only after seeing it for a while), flip Abreu, and bat Kendrys cleanup. Ianetta gets some ABs against righties, obviously, and Izzy gets his playing time. Having 3 jackrabbits & Abreu in front of Pujols would be fun to watch….
Consistency is the enemy of my line-up card
(Guest post by an MLB manager)
You’ve got to have flexibility when guys are struggling or pressing. Or conversely seeing the ball well. Or banged up a bit. Then there are the match-ups that you like — this guy is 1 for 2 lifetime with a double or 0 for 3 lifetime (with I think two DP groudouts to short) against tomorrow night’s starter (although he’s been hitting lefties pretty well recently so that’s something to consider).
Plus there’s a guy we’ve got to find a way to get some AB’s because he had a great BP session yesterday. Absolutely killing the ball to all fields. I might put him in near the top of the order this afternoon so he’ll see some pitches to hit, plus he’s always been a good bad ball hitter which gives us a good match up against their starter.
Today we’ll have to get creative since I want to get one of my veterans some rest — he’s not getting around on fastballs (although maybe I’ll just drop him in the order to take some of the pressure off his approach — he’s trying to do too much — but that’s going to be a game time decision).
Also might add another speedster to the line-up in the 9-hole to give us a wrap around leadoff guy, since the OF turf is dry and playing fast and I think we might be able to get an extra base on balls in the gap. Obviously all bets are off if we get some rain.
Either way I told all my guys to come ready to see their names on the line-up card, except for the rookie who I’m saving for the late innings since he hit a homerun off the other team’s closer in college.
by Dave Spiwak on Dec 15, 2011 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was going to say bat Callaspo 2nd, but then
I looked up the stats on who sees the most pitches per plate appearance. To my surprise, Howie Kendrick sees more p/pa than Callaspo. Just from my observation, Howie always seems so susceptible to the low and away breaking pitch, and Callaspo always seems to be fouling pitches off before putting one in play, but I guess I was wrong.
Of course, Abreu sees more pitches than either of them (number 2 in the AL next to Curtis Granderson, who I hear is available;)). But would it make sense to DH Abreu daily if it means sitting Trumbo? I don’t like that idea. If Trumbo transitions to 3B, then we have to decide between Abreu and Callaspo. Hmm.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/league/al/sort/pitchesPerPlateAppearance/type/expanded
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
I think there's gong to be debate all year about whether Callaspo, Trumbo, or Abreu should get more AB's
power vs OBP
defense vs not-as-good-defense
whether players like VW bounce back to provide more hits/HR’s
Ya, but it's a good problem
Hopefully it will get sussed out on its own. I don’t even know what I would prefer to happen. Part of me wishes Trumbo could play 3B so we could trade Callaspo or Izzy and DH Abreu. But part of me feels like Callaspo has earned an everyday role, so we should trade Abreu and DH Trumbo. This is all assuming Morales isn’t ready to play on opening day.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 15, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
On Base, Low K rate, low GIDP numbers is what you want out of a 2 guy.
Callaspo = perfect
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
^^^this^^^
Should have been a FanPost
in the AL next to Curtis Granderson, who I hear is available;)).
Since Mathis is now working and living in Canada
Maybe we can get his citizenship revoked so we can deport his ass if he ever comes crawling back
Fight on!
EMAW!
by Shackleford on Dec 15, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Pujols, KMO, Trumbo would be ideal
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-Me, October 3,2011
I would like to see Hunter behind Pujols.
How you can put K-Mo behind Pujols when Kendry has proven nothing yet. He has to yet to play in a baseball game in a year.
Mathis is finally gone. Only good things can happen now.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Dec 15, 2011 10:01 AM PST reply actions
*almost two years.
Mathis is finally gone. Only good things can happen now.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Dec 15, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
I think he played in ST last year.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
No, he didn't
He couldn’t run the bases. He only could hit and do fielding drills.
My bad. Thanks for the memory jog.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
I thought someone exploded the "Darren Oliver would only play for Texas" storyline awhile ago
Can’t remember who it was though. The Angels let him go because Reagins wanted Fernando Rodney’s “services” instead.
97mph fastball vs 38 year-old.
Tony don’t need no more research than that.
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we use to discuss.
by snowhor on Dec 15, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
so over on the right sidebar in the Fangraphs section is an article suggesting a trade
Brewers get Trumbo
Angels get K-Rod + some cash
that would be interesting.
That might not work if Krod's in-laws or whoever that was he beat up lives in Anaheim.
Restraining orders and all.
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we use to discuss.
Do not want
K-Rod’s boat left this port a long time ago
Fight on!
EMAW!
by Shackleford on Dec 15, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
If be "interesting" you mean stupid.
We just got rig of our expensive, wild, unorthodox bullpen arm. Why take on another? And I really don’t want to give up Trumbo’s power. We are discussing how to protect Pujols here, and trading Trumbo is not a way to do that.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 15, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
by interesting i didn't necessarily mean that it was good idea.
but i do think it’s worth some off-season speculation.
K-Rod’s only average season was his first one with the Mets. Other than that he’s been above average and seems like a pretty good guy for getting a strikeout late in the game.
obviously there are the off-the-field things that complicate things too.
I just have a bad feeling that Trumbo is not going to get a lot of playing time next season. or the next.
The Brewers would probably give K-Rod away right now
I do not think they were amused by his decision to accept arbitration.
PhiSlamma got me thinking, so here's some stats:
GIDP: Abreu 8, Callaspo 11, Kendrick 18
AB/SO: Abreu 4.4, Callaspo 9.9, Kendrick 4.5
OBP: Abreu .353, Callaspo .366, Kendrick .338
Yup, looks like Callaspo might be best for #2 on this criteria. I think another one to consider that is related to GIDP is line drive percentage:
LDP%: Abreu 16, Callaspo 20, Kendrick 19
And just FYI, Hunter hit into 24 and Pujols…a league leading 29! That’ll be fun to watch. Do we really want Hunter hitting behind Pujols? I might get shellacked for saying it, but maybe Wells would be best behind Pujols. He has more potential for power than Hunter and hits into way fewer DP (only 8 last season). When he misses, he pops up, which is at least less damaging than a DP.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
You had me on the Wells in the cleanup spot right until you didn't write, "BRING THE DH TO THE NL!"
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we use to discuss.
Might as well bat Pujols behind Wells
That will really cut down on the GIDPs, because Vernon always gets himself out anyways.
What we really need is a Pujols clone
but like his mirror image, so he’d bat lefty.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 15, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Aybar, Kendrick and Santana for Cano
by Halowitz on Dec 15, 2011 2:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That's way too much to give up for 1 guy
Not saying I wouldn’t like to have Cano, but I’d rather have a GG short stop, no-hit pitcher, and AS second baseman, even if they’re all righties (or switchies in Aybar’s case). Who knows, Howie could put up Cano-like numbers this season.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 16, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
This is the best lineup the Angels can field next year:
1. Pujols
2. Pujols
3. Pujols
4. Pujols
5. Pujols
6. Pujols
7. Pujols
8. Pujols
9. Pujols
It’s against the rules, but rules are meant to be broken.
We'll set Michael Keaton to work on this right away.
Tim Salmon + Yankee cap = HOF.
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 15, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Why are we sleeping on Abreu?
He has the highest OB on the team and is a lefty. Putting him in front of Albert breaks the all righyt streak and puts a high OB guy in front of him. Plus, he’s a decent stea/hit-and-run threat.
Because he is 150 years old
And there is no room in LF, or arguably DH
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
I think there is room in LF
As long as Trout goes to AAA. Wells is not an everyday player unless he proves otherwise. He should platoon with Abreu, and if neither of them can hack it anymore, then Trout can have the job.
You have a point about breaking up the righties
But that’s the only thing that would make me reconsider. Otherwise, I think Abreu’s time as a regular is up. What we really need is for Morales to be healthy. That gives us a switch hitter in front of Pujols. I can’t remember, does Morales prefer batting L or R?
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 15, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Left
Career against RHP
.295/.354/.537
Career against LHP
.255/.285/.403
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Assuming Trout stays in AAA and Kendrys is not a sure thing, I'd have
vs LHP
Bourjos
Kendrick
Pujols
Hunter
Trumbo
Wells
Callaspo
Ianetta
Aybar
vs RHP
Aybar
Callaspo
Pujols
Hunter (no good options unless Kendrys comes back)
Abreu
Kendrick
Wells
Ianetta
Bourjos
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 15, 2011 11:16 AM PST reply actions
If Wells hits behind Pujols, Albert will be walked so many times he wouldn't qualify for the batting title
"Ballplayers play baseball. Hrrmmmff." -Jose Mota
Scioscia on Jim Rome right now...
Kendrys update— running on 90% body weight, has made huge strides since where he was last year…
Says he’s absolutely killing the ball in BP.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Oh, that is exciting!
Please, God, let Morales come back strong! He is exactly the right kind of guy to protect Pujols.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 15, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
get well soon Peter
<3
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Hunter in the three hole:
he’s a great cripples hitter when he has leveraged the count and knows what is coming. With Albert in front of him he could ambush a lot of predictable fastballs…not crazy about him being on the base paths with his recent history of bad decisions but he’s been slimming down this off season in hopes of regaining quickness.
We need Fleet Pete to be fleet
A big part of Weaver and Haren’s success as fly ball pitchers is the Gold Glove defense he plays in center field. Hopefully he comes back 100%. It’s nice to know Trout can cover the ground out there if need be.
My turn
with Morales…
Aybar
Kendrick
Pujols
Morales
Hunter
Wells
Callaspo
Ianetta
Bourjos
without Morales…
Abreu
Kendrick
Pujols
Hunter
Wells
Callaspo
Ianetta
Bourjos
Aybar
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by angelsownredsux on Dec 15, 2011 2:35 PM PST reply actions
Kendrick simply does not get on base enough and strikes out too much to hit 2nd.
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the reasoning for Kendrick second is that you want your best hitter to get up the most
with a 120wRC+ Kendrick was easily our best hitter last year so in my mind both Pujols and Kendrick deserve the most ABs.
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by angelsownredsux on Dec 15, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
We have a new best hitter
and the object is to set up your offense to get as many opportunities to score runs as possible.
This means putting the person who can make the least outs at the top of the order, with hopefully speed to steal above a 78% success rate, and work counts (Abreu)
This means having someone bat second who will be able to make contact consistently to move runners over, avoid strike out/throw out double plays, and to avoid making outs by strike out. Also a high on base percentage is needed as well. Low K rate, High OBP, average to above average speed and low GIDP numbers. This gives your 3 hitter the most opportunity per game to drive in runs. (Callaspo)
Your three hitter should be Albert Pujols (Pujols)
Your fourth hitter should posses power, a high line drive/fly ball to ground ball rate, and should be the second best on base and slugging threat on the team (Trumbo, Hunter, Kendrick- depending on splits)
its all logical. Sosh’s constant fiddling with the lineup is ridiculous.
Also, everyone realizes that the specific order is only precise in the first inning, however, setting up your 3 hitter is just as important in the 6th as it is the first. Having a speedy 9 to not block your high OBP 1 when wrapping around is important. Lineups, when ideal, should have a set structure to avoid outs, prevent diminishing returns, and to not bolster the abilities of each player hitting around each other.
tl:dr Kendrick sucks balls as a 2
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by PhiSlamma on Dec 15, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Can't argue with that
how about kendrick in the four hole then? I do disagree with this point though
tl:dr Kendrick sucks balls as a 2
According to this article from BTBS, the number two hitter should be one of the three best hitters in the lineup
The Books says the #2 hitter comes to bat in situations about as important as the #3 hitter, but more often. That means the #2 hitter should be better than the #3 guy, and one of the best three hitters overall.
I think Kendrick is most ideal in the two hole but I wouldn’t be mad at Callaspo hitting second.
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by angelsownredsux on Dec 15, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Pujols needs to bat fourth
The reason is that the #4 batter gets more lead-off opportunities than any spot other than #1. Great place for a career .420 OBP.
this
the ideal lineup has the best hitters as 1, 2, and 4, then 5 and lastly #3. Since Pujols slugs the best he should bat #4 while Abreu bats 1st and Kendrick bats second.
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by angelsownredsux on Dec 15, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Logic based off of the BTBS article I posted above
which is based off The Book
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by angelsownredsux on Dec 15, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Is that still true if your #3 hitter has an OBP of .420?
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yes
as long as the #3 isn’t your best hitter
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by angelsownredsux on Dec 15, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
So, no then?
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we use to discuss.
batting Pujols third is massively retarded
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why though?
there is plenty of statistical evidence that supports our best hitter batting in a non- 3 hole position which would maximize his value. I respect you very much as a member of this community but you’re coming off as stubborn.
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by angelsownredsux on Dec 15, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
http://deadcatsbounce.blogspot.com/2010/02/average-mlb-plate-appearances-by.html
st – 762
2nd – 743
3rd – 725
4th – 709
5th – 693
6th – 675
7th – 657
8th – 638
9th – 618
If you had a choice, with our pitching staff keeping games close, to see Torii Hunter or Albert Pujols 16 more times up in a tight game late, which would you choose?
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the issue
is the importance of the ABs. The number 2 and 4 hitters experience ABs where “clutch” is of importance more often than any other position in the batting order. But, I’m not opposed to Pujols batting third at all. I’m completely for it. I just wanted to make it clear that batting Pujols fourth is not as absurd as you make it out to be.
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by angelsownredsux on Dec 15, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
The reason I feel its not even a question
is due to the vast, massive, grand canyon like difference between the caliber of hitter than Hunter is compared to Albert.
If the hitters were closer, or Hunter could get on base near above average, or we had someone else that could routinely post a .850+ OPS that had two healthy legs then I could see your point.
That BBTS article’s point was that the 3 hitter is often up with 2 outs, nobody on. I would think that having a .340 OBP guy in front of Albert so he could possibly get some more at bats with runners on when that .340 OBP guy also hits into a metric bitchtits ton of GIDPs is just silly.
Those 10-20 extra at bats over the course of the season for Pujols over Hunter could literally mean 1-3 wins more with out pitching staff.
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I almost agree with that except
we had someone else that could routinely post a .850+ OPS that had two healthy legs then I could see your point.
its not OPS but Kendrick just posted a 120 wRC+ which is a much more telling offensive statistic. 120 wRC+> .850 OPS considering the Angel’s homepark and division.
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by angelsownredsux on Dec 15, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
A few thoughts
Just based on the eyeball test, would you really want Kendrick batting third all season? Despite his heroic first few months of the season he tapered off to his usual “swing at every breaking pitch that is low and out of the strike zone” self.
With as completely anemic as the offense has been I feel like trying to get cute with batting Pujols fourth to sneak in some more players before he bats is just asking for Hatcher to further ruin this team. Like I said, with a different composition around Albert, yes, I could see your point. However the systemic beliefs around walks somehow being make believe and the hitting coach having no more than five teeth while routinely destroying hitters on base production I just see it as a dangerous, horrible thing to willingly take away at bats from quite possibly the greatest right handed hitter of all time.
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To be clear
You are willingly taking the bat out of the hands of a guy we just signed for a quarter of a billion dollars to hit the holy living fuck out of baseballs.
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point taken
again I am merely exercising the possibility of Pujols batting fourth not existing as a complete albatross. I could never imagine Soth penciling Pujols in the number four spot anyway.
Can we brofist this one out?
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by angelsownredsux on Dec 15, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
That list has to be flawed
It seems that, last season, Mathis was up for all the critical AB’s in every game.
So it isn’t the amount of AB’s a batter can, but what type of situation those AB’s are.
So eight/ninth in the order?
It's an optimization problem
Batting Pujols higher than 4th would give him more PAs. More PAs for your best hitter are a good thing. If that were the only variable, you would be an idiot to not bat Pujols #1 every day.
However, batting Pujols higher than 4th would also give him fewer PAs with runners on base, and fewer opportunities to lead off innings (unless you moved him all the way to #1, where he’d see the fewest number of runners on base). Those would be bad things. You have to weigh the good against the bad.
It’s not an obvious result, because you actually do have to crunch the numbers, but it actually turns out that #4 is the best place for your best hitter, followed by #1 and #2. The #3 position is actually the worst of all the top four.
However, there’s absolutely no way that the difference between the different configuration is nearly so great as three wins.
I in no way want to do all that math
and get that involved in this whole thing.
However.
Its really easy to make wild speculations, I am fantastic at that.
F it, lets make it eight wins.
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This is really all I care about right now
(Pujols batting in the Angels lineup) – (Pujols not batting in the Angels lineup) >>>>>>>>> (Pujols batting 4th in the Angels lineup) – (Pujols batting 3rd in the Angels lineup)
I think the bat Pujols 4th crowd is just trying to ensure that we have a ton of 1-2-3 first innings, leaving Pujols to leadoff the second inning, hit worthless solo HRs and be more hated than that worthless piece of shit Mike Napoli.
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Trade Pujols + 180M to Cubs for Soriano shortly after 2012 season
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Soriano ain't no baseclogger.
Are you sure $180m would be enough salary relief to trick the Cubs into doing that trade?
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Lineups
VS RHP
Abreu (LF) (.411 OBP vs RHP)
Callaspo (3B) (.370 OBP vs RHP 2011, 46 BB to 30 Ks)
Pujols (1B) (Derp)
Morales (DH) (.891 OPS vs RHP, God please be healthy)
Hunter (RF) (slight advatage over everyone else in OPS vs RHP, .783)
Kendrick (2B) (best combination of OPS/OBP left)
Iannetta © (his OBP is impressive .345 for a low average)
Aybar (SS) (close to worthless offensively (.667 OPS) , but batting him 8th keeps his suck away from Pujols)
Bourjos (CF) (speed and upside, wont block the running game)
Note: If Morales is injured, swapping Abreu to DH, batting Wells 6th playing LF and bumping Hunter and Kendrick up a spot is the alternative. Trumbo is actually a worse hitter against righties when compared to Wells’ career numbers and Wells is far superior against lefties making the lineup more dangerous against any left handed relievers. I guess you can bat Trumbo here at DH and bump him to 6th as well, citing upside, I suppose thats fine too. I think the defense of Wells over Abreu in left is significant, however
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Lineups
VS LHP
Callaspo (3B) (Best option here as Abreu can obviously no longer hit lefties, Callaspo has a .390 OBP vs LHP Starters)
Iannetta © (Until Conger proves he can do stuff, Ian’s .391 OBP and .911 OPS vs LHP can hit here)
Pujols (1B) (I was an adventurer like you once….)
Hunter (RF) (.841 OPS vs LHP with a bit more speed than now than Wells)
Wells (LF) (.844 OPS vs LHP, nice)
Kendrick (2B) (.771 OPS vs LHP)
Morales/Trumbo (DH) (I would probably sit Morales against lefties mostly to get rest, Trumbo works here too)
Aybar (SS) (Gaybar’s sucktitude goes here)
Bourjos (CF) (He so fast. So fast.)
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He is not so great while holding a piece of wood while in a box
….. hrmmmm.
Yeah whatever, that statement works for me.
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Pujols batting 3rd, 4th , and 5th
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-Moondoggy
I think we may be getting to the point of over-thinking this
but it’s probably keeping Sosh up at night. good problem, i guess
over-thinking?
this signing is 8 days old. I’m predicting shit gets waaaay more in depth than whats been happening so far in the coming months. we’re merely scratching the surface right now.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 16, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
If Kemp is coming to Braun's defense
I’m wondering if it’s because he isn’t so sure of what supplements he’s been taking himself.
The idea that Trumbo will become a lot more patient is kind of silly
It’s not something a lot of hitters develop at the ML level. It’s not that he won’t improve, it just won’t ever be a huge part of his skill-set. That’s ok, though. Vlad Guerrero was never a very patient hitter and it certainly didn’t kill his career.
Mark Trumbo is not Vladimir Guerrero though.
Vlad never struck out that much. He also could hit well over .300.
Mathis is finally gone. Only good things can happen now.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Dec 17, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think
The Halos are done making moves this offseason, nonetheless with the current team my lineup Opening Day would be
Cf- Bourjos
2b- hk
1b- king
dh- cuban missile
rf- torii
3b- trumbo
lf- wells
c- ianetta
ss- aybar
"Two middle fingers, you don't want my anger. Better call the Rangers, But you gonna need the Angels." -Weezy F. Baby
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