Yu Darvish Pitching For Texas Rangers
by Rev Halofan on Dec 19, 2011 8:11 PM PST
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PrintJapanese phenom Yu Darvish, the pride of Tokyo and Tehran, has been acquired in a sealed bid from the NipponHam Fighters by the Texas Rangers.
The bid for Darvish was reportedly $51.5 Million Dollars. This is $600,000 more than the 2005 posting fee for Daisuke Matsuzaka by the Boston Red Sox. However, the record still stands in Japan with Dice-K because $51 Million U.S. dollars today is jsut under ¥4 Billion Yen but it was almost ¥6 Billion back then.
Of course we can talk about currency exchanges all night to avoid the fact that Texas just got the best pitcher available on the market, apologies to C.J. Wilson but Darvish is about the wickedest whiplash whippersnapper of a hurler in all of professional baseball. Here is the money quote from LoneStarBall scouting report on Darvish, the SBN Rangers blog that we love to hate so dearly...
Darvish throws a two seamer, four seamer, and a cut fastball, with the four seamer supposedly getting up to 95 mph. He also has a slider and a curveball, along with a changeup, although it is questionable whether his change will actually get much use in MLB, as it seems to be his sixth best pitcher.
He throws hard, he strikes guys out, and he gets swings and misses.
What remains to be seen is how this will translate to the U.S. Japanese hitters tend to be less selective than MLB hitters, with the result being that Japanese pitchers may seem to "nibble" when they come to the States, since they are used to being able to get batters to chase balls out of the zone. Without a changeup, I guess you could worry about how he would fare against lefties, but his cut fastball is supposed to be good, and a cut fastball is a good weapon against opposite-handed hitters.
Best case scenario: All that money in the world is not enough to stop the jet stream carrying those hard thrown balls into the stands when whacked by Angels hitters.
Worst case scenario: Every fifth game of the season will see him give up fewer than three runs in 7 IP (unless they decide to give him the Neftali Feliz treatment and put him in the bullpen for two years as wryly suggested by sportswriter Jeff Sullivan).
The American League West race just got tighter, the Billionaire Bush Buddies ponied up the dough. Now they have thirty days to sign the 25-year old, who is thought to be seeking a six-year, $90 Million deal.
The Blue Jays were thought to have the deal in the bag early on and it would not be surprising if their bid was within a million or two bucks of the eventual winner. The Cubs were mentioned as dark horse bidders. This move certainly pressures the Mariners to sign Prince Fielder to compete in suddenly the most interesting division in baseball, but Toronto also has an aching reason to get better with all the cash they could have thrown at the Hambone Foo Fighters.
So the Rangers rotation as it stands now is:
Darvish, Feliz, Derek Holland, Matt Harrison and Colby Lewis.
Well... at least there is little possibility of Arlington getting Gio Gonzalez.
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Pujols is gonna take this guy deep so many times.
51 million to talk. another 75 to sign? this seems kinda nuts.
Why would it take $75m?
It’s a one sided negotiation. Take the money or go back to Japan and make nothing. He will be a debutante but a debutante with no options.
by elchicodelgado on Dec 19, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Well, elchicodelgado is obviously right, I wouldn't try to confuse it with reality.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
reality = well over $100 million (posting + contract) for an unproven pitcher
He might be as good as Koufax, but it still seems nuts
Reality does = $100m but why would it take 75 to sign him
Seriously, I’m open to being really fucking wrong but he has one team to negotiate with and the other option is less years plus less money. Why would that not put the Rangers Ina good negotiating position?
by elchicodelgado on Dec 19, 2011 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Because he can come back in a year as a free agent and have all the money go to him.
By the way, you used your one f-bomb this month. So, be careful, bucko!
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Is there really a one a month rule?
I do apologize if I offended by the way. I wont do it again. Fwiw you guys have responded graciously to my posts so I will respect the rules.
by elchicodelgado on Dec 19, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Some other noobies could learn from you
For instance, the Bama Bama guy.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 19, 2011 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
He might not want to play with them.
Just because they won the posting doesn’t mean he will except their offer. He won’t turn down ungodly amounts, but he might want to play for someone in a more appealing place. Just posting to get feelers for what he might be worth? This post and don’t tell could work for both sides?
When is the next WBC going to be held?
I heard that the NPL pressures the hell out the players to accept so that the team reaps the rewards
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
"more appealing place"
Really? The Rangers went to the World Series the last two seasons. Or are you referring to the heat?
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
He wants attention greater than he is getting in Japan
He is in no way going to get it in Texas, no way.
He also said he prefers the West Coast...
I translate that into more “Japanese-friendly” areas like SF, SEA, or LA.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 21, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
i am quite happy the dodgers are in a bad situation for that exact situation
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
Perhaps you could turn on MLB Network
John Hart is on there everyday saying that attracting free agent pitchers to Texas is VERY difficult.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
Same thing has been said about LA, IIRC
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 21, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
I am not trying to say otherwise
Although I do not believe that LAA is a tough sell to pitchers.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
xx
Although I do not believe that LAA is a tough sell to pitchers.
it is significantly more of a pitchers park than TBIA (109 vs 93) — below 100 favors pitchers
that is before one even adds in the weather…lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the pak factor reminder...
but realize that there are day-night differences in Anaheim. Hitter’s park by day, pitcher’s park by night. With more Fox games anticipated in 2012 (more Saturday day games), I see the park factor rating skewing more (slightly) in the direction of a hitter’s park. Hopefully, Pujols is the main contributor and not CJ Wilson! ;)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 21, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
ahh i just grabbed the multi-year numbers from baseball ref
didnt know that about day-night though
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
based on the heat, yes.
but based on the core/prospects/near future/recent past, no.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
It has been talked about a lot, he likes playing in japan and thinks the posting system is stupid
He said the higher the bid, the bigger the contract would have to be. he has also alluded to the fact if the team(s) he wants to play for didnt win the bid, he would be going back to japan to wait out free agency.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 19, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
It is rumored he basically said he will not sign for less than Dice-K
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
Bring it,
Texas comes to the table with an ace, two fours, and two fives. The Angels come to the table holding four aces and a five. Let’s do this ! Hey Texas, Gulf!
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
by steelgolf on Dec 19, 2011 8:19 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Three aces didn't work last year.
Maybe the fourth (do you REALLY consider Wilson an ‘ace’?) will help this year. I think this will be a close, exciting race for the AL West next year.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
not honest fans.
- != ace
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
err
#1 != ace </pre
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
We have Weaver and Haren
I agree with Lana – the Angels signed Texas’ #1 starter, the guy who carried the Rangers pitching staff during the regular season and into the playoffs in 2010 and 2011. He becomes the Angels #3 in 2012.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
CJ's ERA on the road the last two years was 2.50 in 210 IPs.
I understand why he’s starting out in the fan’s minds as a #3 but personally, I think he’s your ace.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Jered Weaver's era overall was 2.41
I know he is our ace.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 20, 2011 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
It's a good problem to have...you're going to love CJ....and I imagine he has
a big chip on his shoulder right now.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Two words
Albert Pujols
The reason 3 aces didn’t work last year is because nobody is perfect, yet with their putrid offense, these aces pretty much had to be. Add in Pujols and subtract Mathis, then an additional ace to the hand, things are looking good in Anaheim.
Faith Focus Finish
3 aces?
get serious. ervin santana is nowhere near the level of haren/weaver.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Ervin "fuck it Lets Pitch" Santana
is better then all of texas’ starters
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
lol
he is good. but he is not as good as weaver/haren (who are both #1s)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
when you have two number 1's
by default he becomes a 3
it happens when you got good pitching
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
i think you need to learn to count.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
no the concept
is past your Texas learning
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
o...k?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
accept than when you assume a rank orderd system
by including by default him being #3 actually implies you have a 1,2,3,4,5.. If then instead you are saying that 1,2,3,4,5 are categorical in nature then there is no default ordinal ranking.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Yep Big Tex, I think of him as an ace
I could see Weaver, Haren, CJ, or Santana being a teams “Ace” on 90% of the other teams in both the A.L. or N.L. We have a drop off with Williams but he was very good last year and if he can eat up innings then that will go a long way to making the playoffs.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
There are no aces outside of the east coast.
Everyone else is a #8 or below.
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we use to discuss.
More specifically, there are no aces outside of New York City, Boston, or Philadelpha.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
You know there is a difference between an Ace and a #1 starter, right?
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
Yeah Tex, it is kind of subjective as far as the difference between an ace and a #1
I look at it as " can this pitcher go out and “K” a strong offensive line up day in and day out" I feel like Weaver, Haren, and Wilson fit this mold, and I also feel like Santana has grown into that kind a pitcher. Santana has always had some nasty stuff, just inconsistant in his early years, but has matured and improved every year. Like all of The Angels pitchers, he has struggled with having any sort of run support.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
heh
FTFY
SantanaWilson has always had some nasty stuff, just inconsistant in his early years, but has matured and improved every year
:)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
CJ Wilson isnt an "ace"
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
hmm
you do realize that harrison had more WAR, better xFIP, FIP and ERA than santana, right?
hell, even holland (as good/bad as his 2 halves were) was better in just about every category than santana.
now, not that i am saying either of those guys are #1s by any stretch…nor am i saying that darvish/harrison/holland > weaver/haren/wilson (because they arent) but lets not act like the SPs Texas has are horrible. based on last year, texas #4/5 of ogando/lewis were significantly better than the angels #4/5 of chatwood/pinero/williams
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
They are going to invest a ton of cash into this guy.
Recent tweets suggest About $52 mil for the posting fee plus a contract similar to CJ’s of 5yrs & $77.5 mil. That is a ton of money for an unproven MLB commodity.
Life is short, enjoy the ride.
Coming from a dome, though, it will be a discernible difference, to say the least.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
So will pitching every 5th day. Playing a 162 game season. Facing actual batters that are good.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
My name is albert and I am going to crush you.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 19, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yu know it mang!
Your Angels: Telling Pythagoras to go to hell since 2004.
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 19, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Gimme everything Yu got beeyatch
Don't call me Bugs. Although Bugs Bunny could do it all on the baseball field.
by highlandhalo on Dec 19, 2011 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
sarcasm fail on your part
i think
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 19, 2011 10:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is the move that worries me.
I was so hoping that this guy would be a blue jay but then again this is why the Rangers are AL champs and why jays are just the jays.
Lets hope K-Mo is back this season.
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
K-Mo is Done
Why people expect anything from him this season is absurd to me.
CJ Wilson is OUR douche now!
mainly because they have one real thing in common
they both pitched in NPB
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
THEY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
F******!!! Don't try it, Yu.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 19, 2011 8:42 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I feel your pain Nate, I really do. I wanted to appreciate his game in another uniform
I have a secret place, inside my mind, where I keep hidden inspiration you wont find.
by Tapatio Man on Dec 19, 2011 8:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I was sooo narrowing down which round of fantasy I was going take Darvish-TOR next year
Now I’ll just throw those thoughts onto the same pile as the big article I was writing about him before Pujols Day happened.
Seriously though, this has to be what Obi Wan felt like in that movie. Oh well…off with his legs!
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 19, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you underestimate Bob Simpson and Ray Davis' pockets.
The money for Darvish is a separate sub-category. The Rangers are built on a strong enough foundation that one player will not break them. But you can keep dreaming. :)
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
Could is the key word
Posting fee is only a one-time expense. They might still have bonus money from their TV deal to use, or the owners could be dipping into their pockets for this special occasion. Either way, they don’t have to worry about it after this winter.
His contract is still likely to be fairly reasonable. Start him at around $8M and ramp him up to around $11M over a few years. That would be more than Dice-K’s actual contract and pretty affordable.
He could suck, but we shouldn’t expect that because most other Japanese pitchers before him have. That would be like expecting all 3B prospects to fail because Brandon Wood did. Prospects fail A LOT in baseball. That’s why there are so many of them in comparison to established MLB players. Relatively few NPB players have tried to make the jump, so it makes sense that only a few have succeeded. Darvish is only 25 and looks a good deal better than anyone who’s come before him. I’m not saying he’ll win the Cy Young, but we shouldn’t count him out either.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 20, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
I was really excited to see this guy pitch, but damn I didn't want him to have success with the rangers.
Although I do like the idea of them allocating a lot of monies into one guy, hopefully making it so they aren’t able to sign/extend other players. That’s not necessarily true, but I would like If it was.
I have a secret place, inside my mind, where I keep hidden inspiration you wont find.
by Tapatio Man on Dec 19, 2011 8:42 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Bwahaha
I like the idea of allocating the money to one guy says the fan of the 10/252 team. I’ll take my running out if town now but seriously?
by elchicodelgado on Dec 19, 2011 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Is "Bwahaha" a Rangers fan thing?
I’ve seen that a lot from your kind.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
I guess it is.
Weird insult though. But seriously, I’d love to have Albert but the thought of an Angels fan laughing at the Rangers spending is preposterous.
by elchicodelgado on Dec 19, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Except our 10/252
was to the greatest player of our Generation. Your 100+ mil is all going to “potential”. Good luck! :)
Baseball is a funny game...
by Halosfan777 on Dec 19, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Albert vs Yu
It looks like Yu is going to be signed to the tune of $125MM for half the years and half the money that Pujols got. Interesting?!
(and yes, the posting fee is different, but they are still paying 25 per for a guy who is not the best everyday player of our generation.)
by stereoscopic on Dec 19, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Investing all that money in a dude that dominates the equivalent of AAA seems smart
Oops no it doesn’t
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
Pujols
Why is the Angels TV contract worth twice as much as the Rangers again? Oh yeah Pujols.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
Did you read anything about the Rangers deal actually being $3B?
I thought I saw that floating around this site a week or so ago.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
I read it on Grant whatss his buckets site. the Rangers beat rider but he had nothing that backed it up
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
He never backs up anything
MY for MVP for instance but the deal being 3m was more widely reported
by elchicodelgado on Dec 19, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, there is
Some reports say 1.6 but new reports say 3. It could be anywhere between but our guys are really tight lipped.
by elchicodelgado on Dec 19, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Or the 3 billion could have been dismissed in the article I posted
I guess we’ll never know
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
Waffles are tasty
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
by ArchAngel_7 on Dec 20, 2011 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
I went to bed. We are two hours ahead of you guys.
Maury at Baseball Prospectus wrote an article on it but it’s behind their paywall so I won’t link it. Bob Nightengale of USA Today has also held that it is $3b for the last year. I don’t think anyone knows for sure but the point is that it isn’t just Evan Grant reporting it.
by elchicodelgado on Dec 20, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Wasn't it supposed to be about $80MM per year on average
And not kick in until a few years from now? I think there was some kind of bonus too up front.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 19, 2011 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
That is what I have read.
Hence they have Yu posting money to waste I mean burn.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
We probably would have too if it wasn't for a certain trade.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 19, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
WANNA FIGHT ABOUT IT???
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 19, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Nah
I’d rather internet brofist after mentioning that Albert Pujols was an Angel
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
OKAY, COOL
Pound it, bro!
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 19, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
That might have been Toronto's plan to get him there.
Whoops.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 19, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Albert Pujols is an Angel?
We get the news a bit late in England. And who the hell is Yu Darvish?
Don't call me Bugs. Although Bugs Bunny could do it all on the baseball field.
by highlandhalo on Dec 19, 2011 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
#1 - Yes, and so is CJ Wilson
- - A Japanese pitching Jedi.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 20, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
If that TV money doesn’t kick in for a few years that means the posting money this year and the first couple years of Yu’s contract wont be helped out by that TV contract. Which means unless they just have a higher payroll that we don’t know about it will make it hard to extend other players until it does kick in.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
angels deal had little to do w/ pujols
much more to do with geolocation.
dont be a moran.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
You don't think that Albert Pujols, the best latino player right now, plays any factor in the geolocation apsect?
The two go hand in hand. Plus Pujols has been the best player over the last 11 years. There is big tv money to be made from that.
And I am hoping you spelled moron wrong on purpose.
heh
sorry, he didnt add that much money to the contract. dont be a homer.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
It actually very much did effect the contract. We have nothing to be homerish about on that anyway cause even if he didn’t we got the money anyway.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
being a homer = being stupid
you can be a fan and not be a homer.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Yea their was nothing stupid about what was said though.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
i think the money paid to him by the angels played a factor, yes.
i dont think that they suddenly renegotiated the entire TV contract in a matter of a few days due to the fact they brought in pujols though.
nor do i think it was shared during negotiations that they were bringing in pujols and that the other party agreed to pay more based on the fact that they were trying to sign a free agent.
i think had they not signed pujols at all they would have gotten basically the same deal.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
idk the deal was not completed till after Pujols was signed. The TV deal was not made or renegotiated cause of Pujols that was already happening but it did make it easier and allow them to imo get it to 150million a year. Before the signing people were expecting more like 100 million a year which would have as it was been double the previous contract.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
so
you truly believe pujols is worth an extra ~$50mm in TV contracts PER YEAR over the life of the TV contract?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
that is not feasible
because if so the winning bid on Pujols for other teams would be in the 500M range if not higher..
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
my point exactly.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Bid? Their was no bid and how do you figure it would take his price up to 500M? That just makes no sense.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
if he is worth an extra 50mm/year
they make the money back.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
if you are expected him to be worth 50M a year for 20 years
than another team could have leverage the same value.. Do you think that the latino segment is exclusive to the Angels?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
this is what i dont understand
figure he is worth an extra 10mm/year over the 20 year life of the contract, its still 200mm
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Nope others do have a latino segment though the size may not be as great. But any team wouldn’t get the same deal. the 150 Million the Angels got is a total value having to do with tons of different factors one of which is market size. But come on did I not just say the extra 50 was probably not all Pujols?
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
the problem is that none of it is Pujols
5 years from now, if they were doing a new deal he is part of the brand. Right now he is not. It does provide another reason to get the deal done, but it will not significantly improve the deal.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
do you think 1 million of it was pujols?
because if the idiots at the network negotiated 1$ more based on a single player, they should all be fired.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Homerun champion?
Greatest player of his generation?
If you do’n thing that is going to be the Angels brand you might be stupid.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
and if he fails? get hurt? leaves?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Leaves is impossible.
See now you get into probabilities. But first off the whole deal isn’t cause of pujols and we know this cause it is 20 years but like I said part of it was. But as far as fails or gets hurt you have to look at his past performance and say is that really likely or are you just hoping as a rangers fan this happens? Cause while yes it is possible past history with stars and with Pujols don’t indicate this as being a likely senario to happen.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
no, its not.
many people said it was impossible he would leave STL.
what if he gets multiple concussions and makes the decision to walk away from the game?
But as far as fails or gets hurt you have to look at his past performance and say is that really likely or are you just hoping as a rangers fan this happens? Cause while yes it is possible past history with stars and with Pujols don’t indicate this as being a likely senario to happen.
is it possible?
yes
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
so people actually believe the angels got that much more money b/c of pujols?
you are out of your mind!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
if the people who negotiated that deal for the network
included either of those they prob dont have a job
the flip side is if he gets hurt, traded, quits or it is discovered he is actually 36 and the angels void his contract.
if any of those happen they should not greatly impact the angels BRAND. the TV deal is due to the location of the team (if they were in oakland, and signed pujols do you think the get a 3billion deal? negative), the market dynamics (dodgers) and the fact that the dodgers TV deal is going to blow the market for the angels out of the water (they are going to get more than 3 billion)
the angels brand is not dependent on any one player. which is EXACTLY as it should be.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
while I disagree the the people involved shoudlnt’ have a job if Pujols had any impact you are right that the location had a major impact on the size of the TV deal. Also im not sure that the Dodgers will get more than 3B. 3B is what they were offered before Fox pulled out.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
the dodgers are getting more than the angels got
they already had a 4 billion offer to frank mccourt
forbes:
With the Los Angeles Angels getting $3 billion over 20 years in their new television deal, it seems safe to say the Dodgers will get at least $4 billion. Time Warner, which outbid Fox for the Los Angels Lakers of the NBA in February, is expected to bid vigorously for the rights to the Dodgers so further strengthen their command of blue chip sports programming.
this is a year after their TV ratings dropped THIRTY percent.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
"It seems safe"
So you jumped from that quote to the Dodgers got 4 bil?
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
forbes
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
it came out today that the Rangers deal is much bigger than the 1.6B
But, in speaking with two sources that were close to the negotiations on the television deal yesterday, they say that the original figure of $3 billion is closer to the truth… and possibly then some (the sources would not elaborate as to the total but said that based upon certain escalators in the deal, the package could be worth more).
The value of sports is going to continue to skyrocket. It is one of the few things that people watch live and therefore people don’t tevo past the commercials. The Dodgers will break the bank on their deal and pretty much every team afterwards till the media distribution method changes again.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
That came out today huh
Link to Evan Grant’s old ass article please.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
came from BP and Maury today
I think the problem is that fat ass Grant failed to read all of it including the escalators.. Think what 2 WS appearances would do for escalator clauses if it provides a bump form this date forward and meeting those before the deal starts
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
xx
But, in speaking with two sources that were close to the negotiations on the television deal yesterday, they say that the original figure of $3 billion is closer to the truth… and possibly then some (the sources would not elaborate as to the total but said that based upon certain escalators in the deal, the package could be worth more).
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Ha
id be shocked if the Angels deal was less than the Rangers. No way could I see that.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
it is saying that the deal is closer to
3bn than 1.6bn
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
I would expect the Angels deal to be higher
but not that much more so than the 1.6 to 3 figure initally thrown out.
Houston essentially gave away all of Texas but Houston and the Rangers still get the overlap on LA, Ark and OK so their broadcast range is around 30M people
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Yes I absolutly think they were willing to give more $ in the contract because of the players signed. But this isn’t anything that no one else things either but you and lax apparently. Most people tend to agree that the contract amount had something to do with the Pujols signing.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
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Most people tend to agree that the contract amount had something to do with the Pujols signing.
most people, but no one on an ANGELS board has come to defend this point (despite there being other posts in this thread)
do you think the rangers TV deal was worth more because Hamilton is a Ranger now? if he leaves do you think they renegotiate down due to the fact he is leaving the team? do the Rangers get to increase their TV deal if they bring in prince and darvish? no. the deal was done on the basis of the Rangers brand (up and coming), the market dynamics (expanded territory due to HOU RSN + HOU isssues), etc
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Angel fan here ... TV deal was directly related to the Pujols deal.
Duh.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 20, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
trololol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Thats because it shouldn’t have to be argued that Pujols had an impact on the TV money being effected by Pujols
Your last part makes no sense the two situations are totally different.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
so if pujols leaves/gets hurt/whatever
can fox renegotiate the contract?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Not unless they had an out clause similar to what the Angels had in their previous deal.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
there is no way there is a "pujols out" clause.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Didn’t say their was, Just saying the only way they could renegotiated since you asked. I know their isn’t one their is no way there would be.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
pujols didnt get the angels significantly more money in their TV deal
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
also
Your last part makes no sense the two situations are totally different.
they are not that different.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
They are though. For one Hamilton is not Pujols in any sense of the imagination, isn’t a change from what they had previously. Second, Davish or Prince would be coming after the TV deal has already been done not during the contract negotiating like was the case for the Angels FA’s.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
look at the bigger picture
market dynamics, team trending up, etc
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
But you would be basing it off of things that hadn’t happened yet (Davish, Prince) and not things that were done (Pujols, CJ).
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
i give up
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
stupid stupid Houston..
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Do you really think...
Hamilton=Pujols?
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 20, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
only used him because he is the most "visible" player in the market
obviously i dont think they are equal.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Them not being equal is sort of the point though
Pujols is a brand in and of himself. A marketable one. Josh Hamilton’s luster of being a “nice” comeback story aside (and that’s died down considerably), he’s not a market changer.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 20, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
that is correct
again, obviously they are nowhere near equal on the brand, etc
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
Idk that id say all of it is due to Pujols but my point is that he most def. is a big part of why they were willing to give as big of a contract as they did. I am sure their are many other facters such as the dodgers team fail and that they were going to get this 3B doller deal before we stepped in after their fight with the dodgers was blocked.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
i think you are out of your mind.
do you people really believe he was worth even 10mm/year for the LIFE of the TV contract?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
What I think is that yes he is worth a big chunk over the life of the TV contract. You got to realize that his signing is going to draw a larger audience to the TV to watch the Angels for the life of the contract cause even as he does get to the end of his 10 year contract he will be getting to key milestones that people will be watching for. This signing doesn’t just effect TV ratings from the LA Market but affects the amount of people watching them thought the country.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
no
no. no. no.
i dont think you understand how long term business deals work.
pujols was a reason to sign it quickly
pujols did not get them 50mm, 10mm or 1mm more per year over the 20 year life of the contract.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
that make absolutely no sesne
essentially you are saying that a short-term degrading asset is the premise for substantially increasing the long term annual payout of a contract…
That never happens… Is it a reason for the deal to get closed, of course. But he could also have a career ending injury tomorrow. No TV deal will ever be based on the individual talent of the team but instead of the value of the brand and the market
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
xx
No TV deal will ever be based on the individual talent of the team but instead of the value of the brand and the market
and as much as it pains me to say, the value of the Angels brand in the LA market is very, very high. before you even consider the number of fans who shift over from the Dodgers over the next few years.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Degrading of the Player asset will be different on the field than in the TV market. Cause while he may slow down in his production their will be more eyes drawn to him anyway as he reaches the milestones as they did of Bonds.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
and if he doesn't
if he gets hurt? demands a trade because him and Haren duke it out over a chick?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Again you guys realize a trade is impossible
and trying to feed that situation is dumb. Their is a reason their is a NO TRADE CLAUSE.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
i guess no one in the history of sports
has ever agreed to waive his no trade clause
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
so players with no trade clause never get dealt?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
see
wells, vernon
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
bonds isnt a good comparison
mainly because he didnt really degrade.
in his last 3 seasons he had a wRC+ of 161, 147, 158 (then retirement) — not many players have 158 wRC+ seasons NOW, much less in their last year in MLB
in his last 3 seasons, pujols has had wRC+ of 182, 165, 148 (then a long term deal)
bonds is a bad comp
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Yea said it didn’t think it was a great comp. But Im talking more with him in drawing more eyes cause of the milestones aspect.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
pujols milestones are nowhere near bonds (yet)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
the more you ignore me
the closer i get
you’re wasting your time.
Off Topic but I gotta ask: Does Rick Perry spank ya when he screws your state in the rear?
by Rev Halofan on Dec 20, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
actually the Gov in Texas has essentially no power
all the power in the Texas system is in the 2 teir
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
no power
until they elect him president after he sells the baseball team
by Rev Halofan on Dec 20, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
many many poor choices this next election cycle
and he and the Texas billionaires that own the Rangers kinda don’t see eye to eye.. Bush was OK because he didn’t do anything except glad hand for the team… I am not sure that anyone would even want Perry to do that
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
yup
Lt Gov is more powerful than the actual Gov in Texas
and i dont know many ppl here in Texas who actually like Perry.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
hmm….why don’t you please read. You realize I said the Milestones impact was towards the end of his contract right..
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
i dont think pujols is going to hit 700
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Based on what? Your feelings and your being a Texans fan and not wanting it cause he is an Angel? Seriously it really isn’t that our their to think he gets the homerun milestone (762) though it will be hard. (plus to not hit 700 he would have to hit less than 253 in the next 10 years)
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
mainly bc i expect him to follow the arod career path
he is going to finish with over 650 HR, i just dont think he hits 700+
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
not really
taking an objective look at it that is what i see (and what i have said i thought would happen when i thought he was going to stay w/ cards)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
no, i am not an angels fan.
and no, i dont think that i would look at it differently if he was a ranger.
sorry, but i dont wear “homer” glasses 24/7. i dont think that michael young actually deserved the MVP. i dont think that CJ Wilson is actually an “ace” (above/beyond a #1). i dont think that TBIA is the best park in the United States. i dont think that Martin Perez or Profar should be the #1 prospect in baseball.
i am real about my team.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Why do people keep using this B.S. A-Rod comp?
It’s ludicrous.
First off: steroids. Nothing more to say.
Second off: significantly higher walk rate, higher contact rate, lower strikeout rate, higher average, higher OBP. ALL in favor of Pujols. The comp between the two stops at their contracts.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 20, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
steriods
because THATS the only reason he was good
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
And who's to say that Pujols isn't doping?
I think everyone is using PED’s to get an advantage in sports. PERIOD.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 21, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, cuz that's what I said
you’re not very good at this, are you?
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 21, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
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First off: steroids. Nothing more to say.
you stupidly assume that pujols never took steroids. and then you stupidly assume that the steroids had a tremendous impact on his play.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Uh
me saying that A-Rod took steroids to get better is not the same as me saying “Steroids are the only reason he was good.” That’s called a straw-man. I see that you excel at them.
It’s a simple point, and I figured even an idiot could get it. I guess I was wrong.
Comparing the career arcs of a KNOWN steroid user, likely since high school, to someone who AT BEST is an unknown in the PED department is just plain flawed. Add to that a long career of higher contact rates, averages, and OBP for Pujols, and the hitting profiles for the two players are VASTLY different. They both hit a lot of home runs and have $250 million contracts. If they didn’t have those similarities, it’s unlikely his name even gets brought up right now.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 21, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Let's say he averages 36 homers the next 3 years
seems fair.
That’d mean he’d need 145 the last seven years of his contract. He’d have to average LESS THAN 21 a year for the final 7 years to NOT get 700.
Come on now.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 20, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
dudes ISO/power has dropped by almost 100 points over the last 3 years
i think him averaging 36 over the next 3 years is a lot to ask
that said, not sure how much of an impact that the ability to dh/get some rest will have on him either
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
hmmm….Something tells me you need to go look at his numbers again. Yes from 2009-2011 his ISO numbers have dropped about 100 points. But you are completely throwing out his career. His career average ISO is .288 so by that we could see that his 09 season of .331 was actually a career high followed by 2010 where he was .284 right around his average and then 2011 where injuries and other things played a facter he struggled and was .242. This isn’t his first time hitting in the .24- range and is not imo indicative of a regression in his raw power/ISO.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 21, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
hmm good point
totally overlooked his career avg
my bad.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
"don't be a homer"
posted on a team-centric blog.
Wisdom that could only emanate from a Texas-sized sphincter.
if you honestly believe that you got a significantly bigger deal
than say the rangers based on pujols you are sadly mistaken.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Being a homer is expected here.
It is an Angels fan blog, you know.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
This is enough to get you banned on LSB
And yes, I am bitter.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
wrong guy.
you are thinking of Mr. Josey Wales.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
to be more specific
it is expected because it is HH, not because it is an angels fan blog.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Just messin' with you, king.
This is going to be an awesome 2012 for the AL West. Can’t wait to see Yu pitch and Albert hit.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
looking forward to it
going to be a great year!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
How awesome is it that the attention is on the West...
…instead of those two teams that shall not be named?
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
This guy is good and definitely helps the Rangers average rotation
But I dislike the idea of paying large posting fees. If he gets 90/6 and you factor in the posting fee, they will end up paying him 23.5 per year. That is a lot of mullah to pony up to a guy who has never pitched in the MLB.
Anyone else read “You Gotta have Wa” Wasn’t there something about Japanese pitchers having an insane work regime. They throw something like 200 pitches a day. It’s more important to build stamina then prevent injury.
Dice-K was good for a few years, but has been injured a lot lately. It appears the Red Sox are regretting the signing.
About the work regime
in high school; 150 pitches 3 times a week + fielding afterwards.
hula dula da dominoes rula.
by DanishThunder on Dec 19, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
This guy MIGHT be good and MIGHT help the Rangers average rotation
This is like getting excited about brandon wood crushing homers in salt lake. Sure he might be a good pitcher, but he also might not. And the fact the rangers are going to be locking up pujols type money in this guy is going to be like arod 2.0 for them.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 19, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
A-Rod was really good for the Rangers
The rest of the team was not.
by dumdum000333 on Dec 20, 2011 6:02 AM PST up reply actions
exactly my point, unless the rangers can up their payroll to our level, spending that much on one player kills a team
You cant get a strong enough supporting cast to justify that much expense on one player.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 20, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
Scouting is a major item in this deal.
They are gambling on their (and 99% of all) scouts on the Darvish potential.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
this confuses me.
if he is as good as arod, we will be very happy.
in texas he put up the following WARs
7.8
10.3
9.3
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
jesus
those numbers are insane.. I always forget how good he really was in Texas
The rest of the team just sucked
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
yep, because when a team with a payroll like texas' spends that much on one player,
it makes it very, very difficult to field a competitive team.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 20, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
a payroll like texas?
we cant help it if tom hicks screwed himself over
then again, signing all of those other vets to shit contracts didnt help either lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
that is the only reason he was any good, right?
comethefuckon
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I think you are taking this too personal, he's a cheater plain and simple
Also, take the F word back to LSB.
More Howie please...
by hk47 on Dec 20, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
HIGH on steroids?
not how it works.
cheater, yes.
but the best baseball player of the last 20 years? probably.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
who is better over the last 20 years?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
also an infamous cheater, who's career arc was infinitely altered by his cheating
More Howie please...
I agree
but unlike A-Rod, we at least have some idea of what he looked like as a player before his steroid use.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 20, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Which is to say
he was phenomenally good.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 20, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Because he IS better
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 20, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
as far as we know.
People thought Braun was clean, too.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
*that we know of
that goes for any hitter over the last 20+ years
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Right. So, this is the old USSR now...it's Communism
Everybody is guilty until found innocent. I love that. You go right ahead and pass judgment then.
I’m going to wait until I have evidence to the contrary. Let me give you an example: A-Roid: known cheater. Pujols: clean.
More Howie please...
so, now you're playing semantics...
Whatever he was using (HGH, steroids…both), he was using…
I was using high just as a word to describe his egregious cheating, not actually referencing the drugs he was using and the manner of effect obtained from them.
Best player in the last twenty years? Hardly. He’s an egomaniac, self-absorbed, prick of a human being…cheater.
More Howie please...
xx
He’s an egomaniac, self-absorbed, prick of a human being
and this has WHAT to do with him between the lines?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Nothing. That's not my point, it's yours, apparently.
Most important message: he’s a liar and a cheater.
More Howie please...
He was on steroids since high school according to several sources
so I’d say it’s pretty goddamn hard to say WHAT his career arch was without them.
Was he good regardless? Sure. But best of the last 20 years? Hell no.
I mean, Christ…how much different is a player’s entire statistical output just from a vast increase in power? It changes every single pitch he saw.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 20, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
what about the huge # of pitchers that were also using during that time period?
we dont even KNOW what he took.
link me to an article showing that we KNOW how much of an impact steriods have on a player/talent?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
That's...not a rebuttal
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 21, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Look no farther than...
Baroid Bonds 73 HRs.
McGwire: 70 HRs.
Sosa 66 HRs.
What more evidence do you need?
More Howie please...
But he did admit to using PEDs while in Texas.
Maybe that explains it. :)
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
For $ 120-135 million, Darvish needs to win multiple Cy Youngs with lots of post-season badassery thrown in to justify the cost.
If he’s no better than Nomo or Kuroda were with the Dodgers, it’s a failed signing and waste of resources.
The Rangers also have several players up for extensions next year…Josh, Cobra, Napoli…players that have actually contributed …and they’re going to want to get paid.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
ignore the posting fee
base it on the contract.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
You can't ignore the posting fee
You know, because Texas actually has to pay that money, just like any other money that they would have to pay to acquire players. The only difference between the posting fee and a player’s salary is that the posting fee, unlike the salary, does not count against a team for the purposes of determining luxury taxes. This would be a relevant consideration for a team like the Yankees, which already is paying luxury taxes, or a team like the Red Sox, which could be paying luxury taxes if they sign one or two more expensive players. It is irrelevant to the Rangers, however, because they are nowhere near the luxury tax threshold.
when it comes to darvish you base it on the contract.
do people base the impact of e santana based on how much he was paid comign out of the DR?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
If we had to pay Ervin Santana to get him out of the DR
Then, yes, I would view that as a cost to acquiring the player. Why? Because the team has to pay that cost to get the player. And what they pay one player — whether it counts in terms of the luxury tax threshold or not — is spent money that they cannot use to acquire someone else.
i view it as the contract.
do you factor in the 4 round trip tickets, moving allowance, ST housing allowance, trainer, translator, etc into ichiro’s contract? no.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Your argument makes no sense.
None of those things are 50 million dollar costs.
by Darth Duane on Dec 20, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
but they are additional costs, right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Insignificant, given the money at play
Look at it in terms of percentage of income rather than total cost.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
hmm so if you look at the ZiPS article at ESPN
its mean projection of Darvish = 22.4 WAR over 5 years.
wins are estimated at 4.7mm/year
this would make his market value ~$112 mil (at the mean)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
So you completely changed the subject when you knew
Your point was bogus?
by Darth Duane on Dec 20, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
didnt do a good job of bridging the gap
between the article and my point
basically, i focus on the deal. the other stuff is just that — other stuff. it is what you pay to negotiate with him, not what you pay HIM specifically
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
That's a ridiculously generous projection
so basically he’ll be Cole Hamels and James Shields every year for the next 5 years, and that’s just the PROJECTION?
I call horseshit.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 20, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
there is a TINY sample size of pitchers who have come over
the projection shows a best/median/worst case scenario.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
4.7 WAR a year sure as hell better be the 'best' one.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 21, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
dont underrate him because of where he is from
per year WAR:
optimistic : 5.5 (85th percentile)
median: 4.48 (50th percentile)
pessimistic: 1.1 (15th percentile)
What makes this particular signing more risky than the average pitcher is simply the amount of uncertainty we have as to projecting Darvish going forward. Even with a dependable and long record of major league stats and full staffs of various trainers, coaches, scouts, and statheads, teams frequently whiff on guessing what a pitcher will do in the future.
Japan’s professional league is a very high level of play, somewhere between Triple-A and the majors, but there’s still a lot we don’t know about how Japanese pitchers will fare in MLB. Going back through history, there are only 21 pitchers that had full-time jobs in Japan who went on to pitch 50 innings in the majors. That’s the extent of our knowledge of how Japanese pitchers fare in the majors.
again, tiny sample size. he says that a bunch
Using the simplest regression technique, linear regression, comes up with an r-squared of 0.08. What this means, in layman’s terms, is that only 8 percent of the differences between ERAs in Japan explains the differences between ERAs in the U.S. The rest of the difference in performance are things that we can’t really quantify with such a small sample size.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still calling horseshit
saying that a guy’s “moderate” projection in the majors, for a full FIVE YEAR span, is that he’ll AVERAGE being the 2011 Cole Hamels is just absurd.
He’s pitched zero games in his entire life in the MLB. Zero. ZERO.
To say that he’ll go from that, to a five year run unmatched in the history of Japanese players (sample size be damned), on par with current aces in MLB, and then calling that his “moderate” projection is just insane.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 21, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
he clearly states, a number of times in the article
that we have a SSS for the # of starters that have come over
ZiPS, which can translate Japanese players based on how previous players coming from Nippon Professional Baseball have fared, projects Darvish to go 13-7, with a 3.51 ERA in 2012, which is good for 4.3 WAR (wins above replacement). Just 25 years old, Darvish would be one of the youngest pitchers to come over from Japan, so ZiPS expects Darvish to maintain that level for a few years before the natural uncertainty of pitchers starts bringing those expectations downward.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 22, 2011 6:27 AM PST up reply actions
I fucking get the small sample size
Jesus bro, mention it again, why not. How goddamn dense are you?
That isn’t my point at all.
My point is that the guy is, for all intents and purposes, a PROSPECT. He might as well be coming from a highly competitive AAA league. He’s a PROSPECT.
And projecting a PROSPECT to move to the highest level of competitive baseball on the planet for the first time in his career, and immediately expecting him to match a sustained, five-year stretch of productivity rivaled by the aces of today’s game is just ridiculous. Hell, not only that, but they have the audacity to say that that’s not even the optimistic projection?
Seriously, that’s insane. Just shut up. Please.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 22, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Also
WAR doesn’t use ERA in its metrics, it uses FIP, so taking a raw number like that and suggesting it has a WAR value is flawed.
It’s also impossible to gauge exactly what an ERA or FIP means in relation to WAR until we have a better idea of what kind of offensive production will be seen in the league in a given year, since that’s been on a downward decline.
Also, and perhaps most importantly, your projection makes Darvish worth $112 million over five years. Given the almost $52 million posting fee, he’d have to sign for 5/60 for you to get a return on investment. Probably not gonna happen.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 22, 2011 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
If we are talking about any material costs that are unique to that player
Then, yes, I would count it. Like, for example, the cost of the private jet that the Dodgers agreed to charter for Kevin Brown way back when. Dumb shit like that costs money, and money is money.
petrodollars.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
you can’t just throw out the posting fee you still got to give the guy that 52 million. Even if it doesn’t technically go against player payroll it is money they have to spend which will affect there ability or willingness to spend money on something else at least this year.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
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l it is money they have to spend which will affect there ability or willingness to spend money on something else at least this year.
except not necessarily.
do you expect moreno to not spend any more money this year due to the cost of acquiring wilson/pujols?
the rangers (and the angels) are not like the braves where you are a subsidiary of a company and get a set dollar budget amount and not a penny more.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Well in the Angels case YES it is actually because they are up near the luxury tax. Also if we do make more moves it is via trade and wouldn’t be via a straight signing unless it was to a minor league deal.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
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Well in the Angels case YES it is actually because they are up near the luxury tax.
i think you are very wrong.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
you're so articulate
I think you’re 5’2"
by Rev Halofan on Dec 20, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
your attempt to troll me failed.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
negative
if the angels want to spend more money, they can do it regardless of the luxury tax.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
a picture is worht a thousand words
picture Nelson Cruz and the GULF.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
because they are near the lux. tax
doesnt mean they cant spend more money. due to the fact there is no hard ceiling in MLB like there is in other sports.
the braves get a hard budget, they cant go over it. this changes how the do business drastically at every level, from talent acquisition (draft, j2 signees, etc) to contract negotiation to everything else.
lux. tax != hard budget
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
This most likely takes them out of the FIelder sweepstakes.
Which is just nifty.
Prince plays every day. Yu play with yourself.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
by 5thStarter on Dec 19, 2011 8:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If they did get Fleder
Then they just answered out salvo with a major shot of their own. The AL West would be the show to watch
Me neither
I think they are okay with Moreland. But that would be something. I also didn’t see us getting Pujols.
If they get Fielder, who it seems there is a weak market because of the years he is asking,
Then they would have answered then they would have answered the Angels moves.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
That's what everyone was saying about us
“I can’t see the Angels going after Pujols if they get Wilson.”
If they get Yu to sign, I hope they don't sign Fielder.
I would prefer they get deals done with Hamilton, Cruz, Kinsler, etc. instead.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
Yeah, I can def. see where you're coming from.
Land one big whale or net a few really killer sharks.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
I don't think they could go after Fielder.
I probably don’t understand how the Posting fee effects their cap but lets assume only half of the 52mil. goes towards the cap (this number is wrong) and then you add another 23 from his contract he signes that is 49million in cap this year.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
None of the posting fee affects the cap.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
Does anyone know what happens if the Rangers can't come to an agreement with Darvish
I know they get their bid money back. But then what happens. Is there another bidding or does the second highest bidder get rights for 30 days?
He goes back to Japan
He can only be posted once per year. He’s not a free agent until 2014.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 19, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
Then whats to stop a team from throwing out a huge bid, but no intention of making a serious offer just to to keep from a division rival.
Professional courtesy, basically
But technically nothing. This sort of happened with the A’s and Iwakuma last winter, though I think that was mainly because of Iwakuma’s agent. It’s one of the things that needs to change about the posting system.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 19, 2011 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
They get negative feedback on their Ebay account
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 19, 2011 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
So they acquired him? I thought it was negotiation rights? Oh well this stuff is confusing. He’s just going to burn up in the heat.
"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca
by migfig on Dec 19, 2011 8:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That hasn't really happened to them in 2 years
Keep drinkin’ that milk, K-Mo.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 19, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
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Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
So we are an 86 win team that
improved our offense, rotation, and bullpen.
They are a 96 win team that hasn’t improved anything. They lost their ace and replaced him with a “potential” ace. Could be better could be a lot worse.
And I know it’s just the negotiation rights but I’ll assume they sign him. Idk about you guys but I think the West will send 2 teams to the postseason this year.
Baseball is a funny game...
The more I think about it
The less I like the idea of 2 wild cards
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
by ArchAngel_7 on Dec 19, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
I'm a little iffy on it, too.
Out of curiosity, why don’t you like the second Wild Card?
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
You mean the automatic red sux Wild Card slot?
After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we use to discuss.
Notorious Texas Ranger fan here...I think the Angels have had the superior off-season.
Last year Chatwood and Piniero made 49 starts for the Angels. In 2012, CJ (who you will love) will get 33 of those starts.
And then there’s that Pujols guy…you did well.
As for us…I’m very skeptical that Darvish can survive in Texas much less replace our ace.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 19, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
ban him
to the wall
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 19, 2011 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You should realize that I was banned from LSB for the comments above yours.
I’m not going to come in here talking crap or putting down moves the Angels made especially when you just signed our bleeping ace.
I thought it more prudent to come to enemy turf with hat in hand being polite and all that good stuff.
Merry Christmas, Angels fans.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 19, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Cool words Bro.
I think it is time for you to defect to the West, well farther west anyway
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
by ArchAngel_7 on Dec 20, 2011 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
You got banned from LSB, as a Ranger fan,
for having a different opinion on a very risky signing? LOL
Wow they are a little sensitive over there. Sorry man.
Baseball is a funny game...
by Halosfan777 on Dec 20, 2011 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
No, he is a troll on LSB.
He is all about Shock Value and doing a ‘bit’.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
he is a troll
also is a self proclaimed huge dodgers fan.
and a racist as well.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
ban all of them
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
heh
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
You've got to excuse DOV, he has Tourette's
More Howie please...
by hk47 on Dec 20, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yu will need TJ surgery by the All-Star break.
"One time, when we got back to the locker room, all of our clothes were gone," Trout recalled. "They left me a Lady Gaga costume and I had to wear it."
I don't know what Yu is other than an expensive investment.
You boys done dealing or are you gonna trade for more stuff?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 19, 2011 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
we got 7 infielders
so a trade is most likley still coming
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Dec 19, 2011 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
What's happening at 3B?
Trumbo or Callaspo?
And the OF / DH thing…you got Trout, Peter B, Hunter, V Wells plus who…Abreu?
Would Sosh platoon Abreu & Trumbo?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 19, 2011 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
callaspo will probably stay at 3B
trumbo has never played there, ever, so a transition is unlikley.
The logjam at DH goes far beyond abreu/trumbo, though. Morales will try to come back, and if we want to give trout playing time wells hops on the DH boat, too.
too many players, somthing’s gotta give
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Dec 19, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Trade for what...young pitching or maybe a young OF who can
replace Wells or Hunter by 2013-2014?
I thought Abreu was the difference maker of the 2009 race but he’s probably had it…might be time to eat that contract.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
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by Josey Wales on Dec 19, 2011 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
I think they will wait on Morales.
If he can play then Trumbo might get packaged for something. If K-mo is a no go the Trumbo gets the DH, Abreu gets the bench and Callaspo gets third.
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
by ArchAngel_7 on Dec 20, 2011 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
It would be a mistake im my opinion to trade Trumbo at all even if Morales is back healthy. Most of my reason is what you said but also because after this season Morales is a FA and if he is totally healthy I can’t imagine he will want to continue to DH full time.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
well
hopefully (for you guys) he is playing well before 2013/4
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds like another can't miss Japanese import
“If you’re so smart, how could you give twelve million dollars to Hideki Irabu?!”
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
This hyped
Seriously, he is as big as either of those two guys ever were. He’s put up numbers not seen there since their Dead Ball Era in the 1950s. His control is actually there, unlike Dice-K’s, and his career ERA is a full run lower. Plus, he’s reportedly kind of a workout freak.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 19, 2011 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's a fat toad!
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 19, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
May he rest in peace.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 19, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rumors out of Boston say not so
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 19, 2011 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
He did in the begining
but the trainers freaked out when they found out DiceK long tossed something like 1000-1500 throws a day between starts, plus what they gave his to do.
Plus, Japanese pitchers pitch every sixth day.
I think that is a big reason why the starters eventually break down when they get to MLB.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 19, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
This is good for the Rangers
lots of Japanese publicity. But I’ve also read that the Japanese publicity thing is also over hyped. To be sure there will be an increase of Rangers merchandise sold in Japan. But from what I have heard, Japanese fans will only pay attention when the hyped player is playing. In the case of Matusi it would be during his AB’s or in Darvish’s case every 5th game, otherwise they could care less how the Rangers do.
exactly
Only when their boy is in.
Nomo was only when he was pitching. Ichiro only when batting. Masui at first was the whole game, then only the at bats.
NHK owned the MLB rights to every game. So everything was blacked out on the streaming packages MLB sold. I found out the hard way, after I paid.
May not be good marketing potential ...
how do you pronounce RangeRs in Japanese anyway? Gonna be a tongue twister.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 19, 2011 10:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Domo Arugalla Eyespy-san
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 19, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Blame it on Rex
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 19, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Watching the olympics is a joke over there
Besides the greatest athletes in the world they show nothing but their own competitors.
Two weeks of crappy exits from most of the team. But if someone wins a medal, or gold, 24 hours of replays.
Ichiro type
Plays in the lesser League(Pacific and not the Central) like Ichiro did. Matsui played for the Tokyo Giants, the Yankees of Japan. Getting, and still is, Jetter+Mariano type love.
Yu is a young rock star, with a big female following. He has his fans, but I can’t see them enjoying those Arlington summers.
PL has the DH though
So he should be used to that.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 19, 2011 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Good potential.
But that is all he is potential. He has not proven himself in the major leagues. SO it is a huge gamble for the Rangers. He could be really good or not pan out for approximately 125 million. The major leagues are the best accumulation of talent in baseball. Lets see how he responds facing this talent level over a full 162 game season.
Mathis is finally gone. Only good things can happen now.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Dec 19, 2011 9:30 PM PST reply actions
Ooooohh, I'm sure Albert is quakin' in his boots
Does this guy throw a Gyroball that goes upside-down and then side-ways and does a strip-tease on it’s way to the plate? If he’s 25, his velocity will drop within 2 years. If no one has seen his 95, he probably lives at 93mph. They just blew their wad compared to the Angels TV deal. They might not even be able to sign him if he wants crazy money. Huge gamble for them.
So they will spend twice as much to get this guy as opposed to CJ
Thanks Rangers.
I think this deal is great for the Angels. Rangers waste their cash. Also get saddled with a big contract that may not work out and historically does not have good precedent.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
According to every internet Rangers fan ever...
This was the plan all along. They were going to dump CJ and they knew it, even two years ago, when the Rangers FO started scouting Yu.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Well I think it is a dumb plan
2012 YU will not hit 2011 CJ’s numbers. They got worse.
2012 CJ will outpitch 2012 Yu. They made a stupid choice.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
Interesting take. And you're right, it is a dumb plan.
I’m thinking Yu’s 5-year plan looks like this:
Year One. Phenomenal. Fools everyone.
Year Two. Great. Continues to figure out the league.
Year Three. Good. League begins to figure him out.
Year Four. Bad. Either nagging injuries or loss of velocity, or both.
Year Five. Poor. Tommy John surgery or back-of-the-rotation junk duty.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Plus, Yu will be matched up against aces
while CJ will be our #3 starter, most likely. So, while Yu has to face Sabathia, CJ will get to face AJ Burnett.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 19, 2011 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
I can't wait
to see what pujols does to AJ and lackey
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Dec 19, 2011 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Money
If Yu gets what he’s looking for, the Rangers will have to pay over $8MM more per year for the guy (in the posting fee). Why not resign CJ and take a player who proved he could pitch in that bandbox?
by stereoscopic on Dec 19, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yu is 5 years younger than CJ
I keep telling myself that to help this go down smoother.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
that's pretty much the root of it
a #1 going into his prime (age 25) or a #1 on the backside of the prime (age 31)?
The Rangers made their choice, and they payed a premium for it.
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big gamble assuming he is a number 1
When this is all said and done. Yu will “cost” the same per year that Albert does.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
Too many people think the posting fee ties into the yearly cost.
Don’t forget that a couple Billionaires just coughed up some pocket change for a posting fee (money that doesn’t affect payroll or the luxury cap.)
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
I am looking at total cost of the player
COST. Over the next five years his cost will very likely equal the average cost of Albert Pujols. Is Yu breaking Cy Young’s win record during his contract? Oh……
Also give a shout when Texas gets ANYWHERE near the Luxury tax threshold. No caps besides the ones they wear in baseball.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
i agree 100% with your subject
not so much with the “cost” portion. (it doesnt count towards luxury cap either fwiw)
the real question is if the rangers see him as a #1 (many saw him as a #2, few as a #1)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
clearly some teams saw him as a #1
others see him as a #2 or #3
much like wilson
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Let's see how this dude handles the Texas heat
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
Congrats Texas you just wasted $55 million
Second place will be better for you guys
Answer this
Texas!!!, How does my Ass Taste??
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 19, 2011 9:39 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
You still have to play the games.
Until then, the Rangers are the AL Champions (two years running.)
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
Angels - 1 WS
Texas – 0 WS LOSERS
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
True dat.
But now you are starting to sound like a Yankee fan bringing up ancient history lessons.
I know the Angels won it all – about 10 years ago. It must feel great to have a World Championship. Heck, the Dallas Stars have a World Championship, but that doesn’t make them great now. I like where my Rangers are and where they are heading in the near future.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
stop acting like you have 20 championships
the rangers have more AL pennants and WS appearances than the Angels.
it isnt as big of a gulf as one might think.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
thye lost to two NL teams
that is like the Globetrotters losing to the Generals
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
1 vs 0 is not a gulf
period.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
it should be
1 vs NONE
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
1 vs none = 1 vs 0
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
how about this
winning percentage in the WS
100% vs .0000000%
1/1 vs 0/2
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
you do need to count.
that reduces down to 1 vs 0
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
we will always have one
and you will have none
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
always is a long time.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
not too long
when you live in Cali
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
o...k?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
1 strike away twice
too bad the Rangers caught the choke
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
i was unaware that making it to the WS and losing was a choke job
by that logic, didnt the angels choke in 09, 08, 07, 05, 04, 86, 82 and 79?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Losing in a specatular fashion is choking, isn't it?
1>0, every time.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
flags do fly forever.
but stop acting like it is a huge gulf. it makes you look stupid.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
The Angels history is not that glamorous or unique
but Texas is the Walmart of baseball history.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
based on...
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Nothing, I mean nothing significant has happen in that franchise
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
uhhh ok?
what do you consider significant? only WS titles?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Certainly more than Rick Helling
Certainly more than never winning a playoff game until 2010.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
what is signficiant?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
It's got to be tough knowing that if Feliz had gotten that final strike
you could shut up all these silly Angel fans.
it sucks
but it is what it is.
at least the rangers arent set up like the giants (due to fall off of the map at any point) and have a strong farm system/core in place to contend for a while
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
rationalizations
for the goose egg are farts at a picnic… they ventilate quickly around the rest of us but you still live with the stain.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 20, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
uhh
ok?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
flags do fly forever.
/truth
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Lol sounds alot like the Cowboys arguement to Eagle fans.
Be a Angel Fan till I die... The only good team to come out of Texas is my Dallas Cowboys Baby
i know
how are you posting after being banned?
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Remember when we were going to make a billion dolalrs on stadium billboards in Japanese
How many rednecks swear off the Rangers for their Cowboys after seeing “DAM FORINERS AND THEIR SIGNS IN OTHER LANGWIDGES”
by Rev Halofan on Dec 19, 2011 9:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Um, we already have that.
Half the billboards in the DFW area are in Spanish. Now we can add more to the ‘cultural diversity’. :)
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
I thought he was Muslim
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Heck, I am an atheist.
Or at least a Humanist Agnostic. But maybe we shouldn’t get off on that topic, eh? :)
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
...and he kills puppies, cooks cats, and thinks Sandusky is a great teacher of young boys
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by mustard_man on Dec 20, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Remember when you were arguing that Boston was going to make a billion dollars on stadium billboards in Japanese?
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
I actually like this
Will bring more much needed hype to the AL West. Good for TV and media coverage. And they can’t afford anyone else if they sign him. Might even push the Mariners to sign Fielder.
I forgot seattle even had a baseball team
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Dec 19, 2011 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
They don't
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 19, 2011 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He is the most feminine looking MLB player I've ever seen, so he's at least a trailblazer in the respect.
Again…not sure how that will play to the Texas fanbase.
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by Mayheminthehood on Dec 19, 2011 10:05 PM PST reply actions
Back+Broken+Mountain
they will do fine
by eyespy on Dec 19, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It will be interesting to see
How the Rangers will handle the sudden media attention. As I recall even the angels where a little distracted by the horde of Japanese media that followed Matsui around. The Rangers have never seen this kind of mania and it will no doubt prove difficult to deal with.
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
I love how one of the subplots of the CJ signing was how he never really fit in with Texas.
I wonder how Yu’ll fit in.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
I can see Nolan
and Yu enjoying sashimi together and washing it down with some plum wine. Then maybe doing some origami.
by Theren86n02 on Dec 19, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
"Whar'd all the gardeners come from?!?"
Wake me when pitchers and catchers report.
by rspencer on Dec 20, 2011 12:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Irabu 2: Arlington Boogal-Yu
"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST
by No Bologna Polonia on Dec 19, 2011 10:07 PM PST reply actions
i look forward to Pujols going yard on him
weaver's illegitimate son...although i am pretty legit
by weaver_is_my_daddy on Dec 19, 2011 10:09 PM PST reply actions
and this is gonna stop Pujols how?
weaver's illegitimate son...although i am pretty legit
by weaver_is_my_daddy on Dec 19, 2011 10:12 PM PST reply actions
Hard to hit a HR when getting intentionally walked.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
Kendrys will then
or Wells or Trumbo or
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
I would rather have that happen than Poo Holes doing it.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
two run home runs win games
we have 3 aces you have none just like your WS
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I win
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Of course.
You always do. I am just finally acknowledging it publicly.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
i predict a comeback season for VW
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
comeback to what?
an 80 wRC+?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
The Japanese Strike zone is different
and he will suck in america
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
he steers or the que.................? i dont think i should finish that
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 19, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Well, by definition, it can't be the steers...
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Uhhh
When has this ever worked?
They pitch every 6th day, play less games, travel WAY less, throw a smaller ball, and face much lesser competition.
I’m guessing he has a nice 2012 and this contract turns into a disaster sooner than later.
They’ve got a lot of guy walking in the next year or two and this is going to cripple their chances of keeping their core studs.
RE: The NPB ball
They switched to a new one this year that is more or less a clone of the MLB ball in size and performance. Pitchers love them and offense across the league took a huge hit. Darvish posted his finest season with it. Obviously, there are still other factors, but he’s always displayed good control and maintained it with the new, standardized ball. That’s got to be a point in his favor.
I’m really interested to see if this dip in NPB offense sticks for the next couple of seasons. If so, numbers in NPB may be a more reliable indicator of MLB potential going forward.
See here and here for more details and graphic baseball imagery.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 19, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
You're the Japanese baseball pro so I'll trust you on this...
But I’m just going off every other Japanese pitcher import starter I’ve seen in recent years. Flash in the pan and then bust city.
I understand he’s supposed to be better than Dice -K. But Dice-K was supposed to be the next hot shit and posted a 3.9 fWAR, 3.3 fWAR, then fell off the face of the earth. Yu has got to REALLLLLLLY outperform Dice-K for this not to blow up in the Rangers’ face.
Understandable
I’m just trying to sound a note of caution here. Like I said way above, MLB has a high failure rate for prospects coming from its own minor leagues. People write off stats from the PCL all the time because of the league’s reputation, for example. Yet every year, out of the dozens of guys that get called up from the PCL, a few stick and go on to have productive MLB careers.
Obviously, there a few more differences culturally and with style of play in NPB, but it’s still a good league. Only a few dozen players from there have ever even tried to make the switch, so it makes sense that only a handful have stuck as MLB regulars. If they were coming over by the dozens per season instead of per decade, we’d probably see more Japanese stars in MLB.
Anyway, that’s all I’m trying to get at here. Let’s not underestimate our new enemy before we’ve faced him.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 20, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
somewhere between AAA and MLB per most people
it is a diff style of play for SURE
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Hiroki Kuroda
He’s good.
"But this decision wasn't about the past. It was about the present and about the future." -Chris Paul
Texas has deep enough wallets to absorb a bad contract or two
Plus their GM is not Tony Reagins. They added to their roster without trading any young talent or prospects. If Darvich completely fails, they still would be spending less than what Arte is giving Wells.
This move speaks volumes on what they thought of Wilson’s value: $77m to a 32 year-old proven starter is less of a risk than $100m to a 25-year old #1 starter in Japan. Very interesting.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mustard_man on Dec 19, 2011 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know how much money they have
but they still have to extend Cruz and Hamilton. If this stupid contract keeps them from accomplishing either of these….WIN
Well, come see a fat old man some time!
i don't think the Rangers really want to re-sign Hamilton
given how much they know the market will value him at. I think they’ll focus on Cruz and Napoli over the next 2 seasons.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
hahaha, that sounds like loser talk.
I picture you talking to your friends at the bar… “I dont want to date that hot chick cause she probably would want me to buy her expensive stuff and I couldnt afford that so I’m just gonna avoid the whole thing.”
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 20, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
i'd rather have a 3-way with Cruz and Napoli
for the same price as Hamilton.
It’s a no-brainer.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
wannabe manor
i walked upstairs
and can’t explain
how i got involved
in a three-man train
Was it fun?
yeah I guess
but I got crabs
like all the rest!
Is be surprised if they gave Cruz an extension especially more than 2 years.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
or not.
Thought for some reason he was older than he was.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 20, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Uh...it was just one week ago that we found out this is NOT true.
Here.
Did you get some new look at their books?
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
seems like it was disinformation for the Darvish bid
sneaky… Texas has money. It is how much and how liquid it is that is in question
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
he pitched every 5th fwiw
the fighters bumped it at his request this year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Yep
I read that he once declined to join a team goodwill trip to New Zealand during the offseason because he didn’t want to mess with his training schedule. Dude is dedicated, that’s for sure.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 20, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
glad to see there is one angels fan on HH
who is grounded in reality
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
he is now banned
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's a good move
risky, but I have a feeling this guys succeeds.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 19, 2011 10:31 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Best case scenario:
yu sucks and arte rapes and pillages thier offense in the offseason.
Worst case scenario: yu is pretty neat and thier #2 is still derek holland
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Dec 19, 2011 10:52 PM PST reply actions
Ian Kinsler!
Oh Cod, did I really just post that?
Your Angels: Telling Pythagoras to go to hell since 2004.
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 19, 2011 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
Swear to Cod, you did
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 20, 2011 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
By Jebus I love Cod
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
by ArchAngel_7 on Dec 20, 2011 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
either way they are still in texas
and the Angels have God, Tebow, and the weather of the holy spirit
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 19, 2011 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
anybody who needs a special baserunning jacket in cold weather
is not capable of growing any better stache than that of a a 13 year old
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Dec 19, 2011 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
Describing a pticher as "pretty neat"
made me laugh my fool head off.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
I bet cj downed a few pints of ginger ale tonight...
And is plotting his revenge as we speak.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Albert Pujols
Dallas Cowboys Super Bowl Champs Tony Romo Super Bowl MVP
-Me, October 3,2011
by KB_24 on Dec 19, 2011 11:03 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Win
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Dec 19, 2011 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Rangers Say FU to CJ
Aftering offering 4/$60 to CJ the Rangers are now going to sink $120 million plus for 5 years of club control of Yu Darvish. BOLD statement on the relative value of CJ WIlson versus Yu Darvish.
or under Darvish to prove that he's worth the investment.....
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mustard_man on Dec 19, 2011 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
So basically they are willing to pay Yu the $25 per that the Angels pay Albert
That makes sense to me
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
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BOLD statement on the relative value of CJ WIlson versus Yu Darvish.
BOLD statement on the RANGERS view of the relative value of Wilson vs Darvish
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
The Whirling Darvish to TX? Say it aint so!
I think I can see how he gets all that movement on his pitches. I just can’t imagine Nolan Ryan getting along with this kid. EEEEnyway, I agree with those who say this doesn’t really improve TX much, and they are going to spend way more on this dude than they could’ve on CJ. CJ is going to have a killer year matched up against other team’s #3 starters.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
We need one
where some have red hats, some have blue, some have white. Then it would look like the confusing mess that is the Arlington stadium crowd.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Texas is stacking good RH pitching
To line-up against our RH stacked line-up.
Texas is also willing to spend – they are not “all hat and no cattle”.
A 25 year-old pitcher with potentially #1 stuff is a risk they had to take. Plus their offense is still loaded everywhere but 1B….and there’s still a Prince to be had.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
YUUUUUUUUUU!!!
CRANK THAT SOLJA BOY!
Fangraphs calls Jordan Zimmermann his closest comparison.
Would you fork out $100MM+ for Zimmermann?
Soulja Boy got damn! That’s old and he’s garbage.
"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca
by migfig on Dec 19, 2011 11:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Lone Star Ball / Texas Rangers (Fans) =
The scum of the Earth
"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca
by migfig on Dec 19, 2011 11:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
no he is right on
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
Bravo.
Maturity oozes from every one of your posts. Too bad I’m so stupid I can’t seem to find the ‘ignore’ feature.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
yes
we stereotype here all the time. We’re also immature watching grown men throw and hit balls.
Did you fuck yer milk cow before breakfast, Hoss, or save it for the goat herd tonight?
by Rev Halofan on Dec 20, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
GET 'EM DOV
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
by NathanielS on Dec 20, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Perspective
1) Darvish is not a Ranger. The team simply won a 30 day right to negotiate.
2) Expectations have been that Darvish would expect ~$50M in salary,matching Dice K.
3) signing Darvish would almost certainly preclude the Rangers signing Fielder, an everyday player who could post monster numbers in Arlington.
4) Unless Darvish is the second coming of Mike Marshall, he won’t play any more frequently than every 5th game (and will be too expensive for the bullpen), which would make him a very expensive acquisition, compared to a comparable financial outlay for Fielder.
5) The posting fee does not count towards luxury tax, one advantage to investing in Darvish vs a regular big-ticket free agent.
6) If he signs for money comparable to Matsusaka, he would cost more than Wilson, even amortized over 6 seasons. That sets the bar for what he’d need to do to be an upgrade over Wilson’s smaller contract.
7) While Darvish may well turn out to be Ichiro Redux as far as success in American baseball is concerned, I can’t think of any other Japanese player who has met with long term success here. Dice K had two good seasons, followed by 3 miserable ones, making his deal a $100M bust. Nomo had 3 good seasons, was a mess for the following 3, then rebounded with 2 more good years before falling apart completely. Less said about Irabu, the better. There are no guarantees that he lives up to the hype and is great for 5-6 seasons.
8) While the posting fee doesn’t count against the luxury tax, it is still a substantial outlay of dollars, for a team with Hamilton, Napoli and Lewis hitting free agency in 2013, and Cruz a year later, while Michael Young is on the books through 2013 and Beltre through 2015. A signing like this has the potentially screw up the salary ecosystem for a team that has behind-the-scenes outlays like $30M fees to Chuck Greenberg and a $12M renovation to the stadium to cover as well.
The vaunted TV deal doesn’t kick in until the 2015 season. Fox gave a $80M advance, but that figures to have been spent. The team will get approx $76M per year in TV money beginning in 2015, after deducting the advance.
I really hope they spend enormously.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
The Darvish posting has been anticipated for years
It’s logical to assume Texas knew what it would take to sign him before submitting their bid. Although you are correct that all Texas “won” was the right to negotiate, the probability is high that they sign him.
Texas also has enough talent at the upper levels of their farm system to offset the high priced players with rookie-wage players.
They “got” Darvish without impacting their farm system. The Texas ownership is comprised of what – two or three billionaires? Cash can be replaced, I would have preferred that they had to trade for pitching and thinned out some of the prospect talent they continue to build.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mustard_man on Dec 20, 2011 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
They do have good talent
but having talent and having another Josh Hamilton or even a Mike Napoli ala 2011 is another thing.
I’ve said the same about the yankees. Having a good farm and lots of money don’t get you another Mariano Rivera. Some guys just don’t get replaced that easily.
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
by ArchAngel_7 on Dec 20, 2011 12:45 AM PST up reply actions
All of that is understood
While the $42M needed to improve the stadium and buy out Greenberg don’t come out of payroll, they do impact the operating cash of the team. Maybe they borrow to do one or both of those required moves, but that is simply adding debt to the team.
Furthermore, it has been known that the Fighers could post Darvish every year, but it wasn’t known until very recently that the team was going to do so this year. Thus, the decision to bid had to have been made more recently.
Maybe the ownership is comprised of rich guys like Tom Hicks who kept writing checks from personal funds to cover whatever sure-fire sceme to get to the Series came along annually. Or maybe they’re guys like Arte, who want to run the club like a business with a budget and bottom line. I don’t know right now. Maybe they don’t know at the moment, since their time in the driver’s seat is limited.
But if Hamilton is making $15M in 2012 and performs well, it figures that he’ll think some sort of raise and long-term guarantee is in order, and it would be distinctly fan unfriendly to let a player with his local charisma walk. Cruz is arguably more talented than Hamilton, and the team will have to make the same decision the following year. And Napoli—it he has a 2012 like 2011, then they’ll have to pay him very well, too. Again, the TV money doesn’t come into the revenue stream until the beginning of the 2015 season, and it will be less than half what Arte is pulling in beginning with 2012. Contracts can be backloaded, but that worked so well with the Dodgers recently, and it makes it nearly impossible to trade a player to any club not employing Tony Reagins.
From looking at the team, I think obtaining Darvish is less important than knowing that Feliz and Ogando can pitch effectively for the entire season. If the farm system is as deep as you make it out to be, I think there would be a far better risk./reward ratio in trading for Gio Gonzalez than in committing $100M to Darvish. It isn’t that the men are equals in their position (though, frankly, nobody knows how well Darvish will do at MLB level), but that Gonzalez figures to be good enough while being much more inexpensive for years to come. A guy who can reliably give 6-7 innings per start is the benchmark these days, and Gonzalez seems to fit that profile well.
I would think that the application of $100M would do the team better good investing in Fielder than in Darvish. It is widely believed that the Rangers can’t do both, so getting involved in 30 days of negotiating a contract widely believed to be a notch up from Matsusaka’s Red Sox deal figures to take them out of consideration for Fielder. As an Angels’ fan, that pleases me greatly, but as an observer of baseball, I find it strange that Darvish would be considered a greater bang for the buck than Fielder.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 20, 2011 4:15 AM PST up reply actions
Did I really say all that?
Here’s what Sickels wrote back in October regarding the Texas farm system.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/10/22/2507290/texas-rangers-top-20-prospects-for-2012
As for not trading for Gio: clearly the Texas front office believes they can spend approximately $120m on a 25 year-old pitcher from Japan that will produce at least similar results to Gio, PLUS they get to keep their prospects.
As for cash flow, I’m pretty sure the trips to the last two World Series did not hurt Texas financially. I’m NOT saying that the Texas ownership is the second coming of George Stinebrenner, however they are not a couple of used car salesmen from Lubbock scrapping together nickels to make payroll.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
Again, all of this is understood
You seem to think I am personally taking you to task for any of this. I am not.
I’m simply saying I don’t follow the thinking of the Rangers’ management on this apparent desire to spend $100M+ on a single player, for all the reasons outlined above.
Obviously, they received a bump in revenue for appearing in the WS the last two years. However, there must be a belief that this expenditure has greater benefit to the team than A) signing Wilson for a fraction of the price and getting a proven LH pitcher, or B) trading prospects to Oakland for a high-upside pitcher under team control for many seasons to come, or even C) spending a fraction of that money on a pitcher like Buehrle or Oswalt, who would bring a veteran presence to a very young staff—I don’t see Darvish being the guy to show the kids how its done. That is Maddux’s job, of course, but his brother brought that presence to several teams and elevated the pitching staffs by leading by example.
Many paths to the desired outcome. I’m just saying I am surprised this is the one chosen.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 20, 2011 7:10 AM PST up reply actions
I think people forget that maybe, just maybe
Texas was unwilling to pay CJ due to age and peripherals. Letting him go was a business decision, just like their offer to Buherle and any trade avenues that they looked at. More than likely CJ and Yu are not linked in any way.
The Yu deal is a totally different category. They have been in on him for almost 2 years now and has had at least 1 scout at every one of his starts since then. If they believe that he is going to be better than than Dice-K he is worth it. This is as much about filling a rotation spot as it is pretty much ensuring that they surpass the last two years attendance marks, dramatically increase national merchandising sales and start winning the public perception battle both locally and nationally, but also globally.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
This was not business. JD let it get personal with CJ. He never forgave him for
going over his head after 2009 to Nolan Ryan asking for a shot to start.
CJ then proceeded to stick two very stellar seasons up JD’s backside…this was not a business decision, it was strictly personal.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
31.5 when the season starts
highest work load in his career and Nolan has already expressed concerns about going long term with older SP.
I really can’t blame them for sticking at 4 years. He has as much boom potential as bust at this point. His peripherals should scare everyone. The question is does his walk rate stay below last years career low 2.98
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I'd rather go one more year with CJ than spend another $ 40-50 million
on an unknown like Darvish.
What the Rangers have done this off-season is insane.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Dec 20, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
why?
at best they make their investment back over the 5 years in the added revenue and exposure in comparison to the difference in the two deals. Then add into it that one is significantly younger than the other and their aging/career arcs should be going in different directions.
Letting CJ go is probably not the popular move, but it the better long-term move.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Darvish has no track record of success in The Show...yes, they've hit on some pitchers but these are the same idiots that
traded Danks for Ichabod McCarthy and AG for freaking Adam Eaton. Like all of us, the Ranger scouts hit n miss.
For that much of an investment, Darvish needs multiple Cy Youngs and needs to lead the Rangers to multiple World Series.
Requiring a RH pitcher to do that while plying his craft in Texas is quite a gamble.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
why?
once again you never addressed why? In the long run Darvish is probably CHEAPER due to the added revenue he generates. Why would he have to have multiple Cy Young season and lead Texas to multiple WS to be worth his deal and not CJ at the same cost?
If you are going to look at it as total cost scenario, you have to look at total benefits as well.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
He never addressed WHY
because I just banned him.
Now go home to feed the pigs and learn from your school marm out on the prairie before a tornado comes down the valley or whatever topography they have in the sit hole suburb of tobacco-chewing armadillo turds you call home.
Wow, Rev.
I know you rant a bit on a post sometimes, but you must really be having a bad day. Sorry, dude – hope all works out for you.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
read the California smacktalk on your own blog
I just gotta have a rock fight wit the kids down the street once in a while.
I am having a great day so far – gotta go walk my dog Aybar now, don’t let the Cowboys choke to death in the 4th quarter while i am gone.
people still watch the NFL?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
i sure as fuck don't
I just bet on it. I ask this Cowboys fan what to bet on and be t the opposite. Dude is such a loser that I clean up.
I gave on the NFL
CFB and baseball and a little College BB.. NFL has become a caricature of its former self
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Unfortunately yes
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 20, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
If they DON'T choke in the 4th, that will be news.
Liek last week. Even though they won, they almost coughed it up in the second half.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
Sorry, man. I don't have a blog.
Are you referring to LSB? I don’t speak for them. I am a NORMAL Rangers fan.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
When I get mad I call people racist.
So, I guess you’re not really a racist.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
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Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
xx
Letting CJ go is probably not the popular move, but it the better long-term move.
yes.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Ha - that's funny if Ryan really did say that
He pitched when he was 46, and got paid lots of money for doing so. So a 32 year old pitcher that was the ace of his franchise is too old for for a 5 year contract?
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mustard_man on Dec 20, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I love the smell of irony in the morning
Granted, Ryan was a physical freak, but who is he to be determining pitchers to be on the downward slide at 31?
Jamie Moyer, Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux all say “hey”.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 20, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
so 3 of all pitchers, ever.
way to take the less than 1% of all pitchers in the last 20 years who did very well late in their careers
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
No, stupid
Just the low-hanging fruit.
Who are some of the most sought-after free agent starters this winter? Mark Buehrle (who signed a 4 year deal at age 34), and Roy Oswalt (who figures to sign a multiyear deal at 34). On the next tier there are Javier Vazquez (still sought at 35), and Bartolo Colon (who rebooted his career at 37 with the Yankees).
Tim Hudson signed a 3 plus option deal with the Braves before the 2010 season, and has gone 33-19 the past two years, working 443 IP, a WHIP of 1.145 and 297 strikeouts. He was 34 when he signed that deal before the 2010 season.
The Rangers, of course, had dreams of locking down Cliff Lee and he was 31 when he was last a free agent. Maybe you’re bitter that he chose to sign for less money with a different team?
The point is that simply being 31 should not disqualify any pitcher to a long-term deal. Ryan might have had valid medical reasons, or perhaps he simply had a personal position. Maybe he’s still sore about Wilson’s WS performance. But it is beyond silly to say he isn’t interested in Wilson, who had low mileage on his arm over the past few seasons
If the conversation here is taxing your brainpan, just hit the Eject button and jettison yourself back to some place where the folks talk slower.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 20, 2011 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not that you care...
…but you’re one of my favorite posters on this board. Keep up the good work, sir!
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
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The Rangers, of course, had dreams of locking down Cliff Lee and he was 31 when he was last a free agent. Maybe you’re bitter that he chose to sign for less money with a different team?
nope. he took fewer years and lower AAV to go to the phillies. they went after him hard and he chose another place. i get that totally. equally cliff lee != cj wilson. he is significantly better.
i would think that the team knows way more than we do about him, considering how long he had been with them
beyond that, we now know that the rangers clearly preferred darvish over wilson, and saw it as a 1 or the other kind of scenario.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
you are an idiot.
as difficult as it is to believe, sometimes decisions are made that are NOT personal.
now if you said it had to do with you, i can see how it might be personal. but let’s not forget that CJ wasnt exactly the largest fan of DFW/Texas either. so maybe it was personal for HIM
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
How hard would that be?
The Yu deal is a totally different category. They have been in on him for almost 2 years now and has had at least 1 scout at every one of his starts since then. If they believe that he is going to be better than than Dice-K he is worth it.
Ever since two good (not spectacular) seasons in 07 and 08, Dice K has been the re-enactment of the docking of the Hindenburg in Lakehurst. All of this, of course, for the princely sum of over $100M invested.
I know the posting fee is based on Dice K, but if the performance expectations are likewise so, then I really don’t get it.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 20, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
5)
Let me know when the Rangers get in the galaxy as the luxury tax
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
this is kinda the genius of this move
regardless what happens as their payroll escalates, the 100M investment goes on the books as 50M and 50M in administrative expenses
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
They don't have a money tree I don't know about do they?
How is that genius?
By me saying “Let me know when the Rangers get in the galaxy as the luxury tax” I am saying you guys are not going to ramp payroll up to 170M. Meaning I think the Rangers allocated part of their yearly 100-110M payroll on a questionable import.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
Why would they want to press towards the tax threshold right now
when they don’t need to. They have the ability to, but that does not necessitate the need to right now. They will begin to steadily creep that direction as they continue to extend their core.
I think people assume that because Texas was ran rather poorly initially that they have a cash flow problem. The cash flow issues are tied directly to debt leverage that continue to get knocked out. They haven’t even reached the payout for their new TV deal and will be sitting in the 100-110+ range easily.
The other thing people are not addressing is that essentially the Astros are stupid and allowed the Rangers to have the overlap media rights due to their decision to start their own RSN and letting their current deal lapse without having it up and running.. That is in effect going to put the Rangers in most of Texas now instead of DFW and overlapping Ausitn.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
xx
They don’t have a money tree I don’t know about do they?
yes, it is known as simpson and davis.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Do they know that Yu is half Iranian?
That aught to bunch their chaps a bit down there cowboy country. Next thing we hear might be that they won’t let him on a plane for the first road trip.
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
If he's a 4.5 WAR or better pitcher for the Rangers
he could be Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the rednecks will still love him
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mustard_man on Dec 20, 2011 12:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
it is colder in Iran
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
Can we start a rumor linking darvish to al Qaeda?
Too much?
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
I can see it now
The National Guard swoops onto the field on opening day and takes him away. I knew there was a reason for those controversial sections of the NDAA…this is it. Arte’s really pullin’ out the stops this winter.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 20, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
TSA strip searches and body cavity checks
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mustard_man on Dec 20, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Umm...
They still have to sign him. He has not been “acquired” just yet.
That said, until he pitches over here, no one knows how good (or average) he may be.
Downing joining the Angels HOF is a great start, but #5 shouold be retired by the Halos. Make it happen Arte!
by BrianDowningFan on Dec 20, 2011 8:42 AM PST reply actions
He'll be great
Not sure why everyone is blasting the posting fee. The Angels just paid $254 for a “32 year old” Albert Pujols. The Rangers are not going away.
"But this decision wasn't about the past. It was about the present and about the future." -Chris Paul
^ THIS ^
Darvish is for real.
He is going to be at least somewhere between Haren and Wilson output-wise.
Nobody thought Arte had the money for Pujols, nobody thought Texas had the money for Posting Fees.
AL West: the most interesting division in baseball.
that is the truth
will be real weird if Sea gets Fielder.. I have no delusions to think that Texas will make a bid unless he drops to 5 years and they are willing to money whip him.
And then we have poor Oakland…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
...and the Astros in 2013
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mustard_man on Dec 20, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
those guys are probably worse off than Oak
no idea what is going to happen down there. But back to back #1 overall picks should help..
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
xx
AL West: the most interesting division in baseball.
yup.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
header
so that people can minimize the post if they dont care to read it.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
i thought it was a dos equis reference
the most interesting post in the world
by Rev Halofan on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
that was pretty good
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
EVERYBODY thought Texas had the posting fees for Darvish
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
it was kinda funny how it was that everyone had it going to Tor the last few days
and now everyone is jumping back to we thought he was going to Texas all along..
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
yup
GM even went to go see him pitch this year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
has had a guy at every start for the las year
and has actually been on him for 2 to 2 1/2 years..
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
cogburn right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
yep...
he is the real reason why Texas is known in Asia..
Sounds like he has great contacts and loves his job…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I love how the number keeps going up...
Before it was almost two years, then two years, now two-and-a-half years.
Thirty posts from now…“They scouted his ultrasound, bro!”
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
CJ Wilson or Bobby Wilson?
Just trying to get a sense of the comparative range.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 20, 2011 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
Question for HH regualrs...
Is DAD OF VLAD : HH as JoesyWales : LSB ?
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
not even close
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
DoV is the moral compass of HH
He’s also the resident expert on raising children, birth control, and job satisfaction
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mustard_man on Dec 20, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And theoretical grammar
Don’t forget that.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 20, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Difference between Josey adn DOV
DOV not Banned
Dov been Laid
by Rev Halofan on Dec 20, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel kinda dirty...
I have agreed with a the last two times you have posted…
WTF IS WRONG WITH ME!!!!
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
DOV posts total insanity on here at times
his way of venting off from his sanely duties at home and his constant freeway driving in traffic. Of course my new favorite who is even crazier than DOV (sorry DOV, he is after your crown) is mikehotmop. I think mikehotmop has been breathing too much hot tar fumes.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
I seroiusly wonder how a half Iranina atheist is going to play in that market?
Will they burn him in effigy? Do they still have grassy knolls?
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
If he wins games, no one will give a shit
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mustard_man on Dec 20, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Naw, just assuming the intake of very cheap beer will deaden the sensitivity
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mustard_man on Dec 20, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
And if he doesn't...
…NDAA —→ Gitmo.
Bank on it. ;)
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 20, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
I am fairly sure they guy is Muslim
and no one will care..
You win, they will love you. If you lose, they got much better stuff to hate him for… They will all consider him Japanese anyway and write everything he does off as him being from Japan
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
THIS is what we got
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 10:17 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Awesome.
Can’t wait to get one for the Rangers. I just hope it happens in my lifetime.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
when texas is added to the Central
and then transferred to AAAA
you will win one
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
this guy isnt the JW of HH
mainly because he isnt smart enough.
is he 12?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
i wish i was 12
then i would not have to work and i could troll on LSB all day
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
i wish i did not have to work myself.
welcome ot the club.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Good to know.
I will start my petitioning to the Rangers FO.
"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan
The Ring Retort
Thought I’d stumbled into Pinstripe Alley there for a sec.
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Dec 20, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
well they can actually use it
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I was chastising the rangers and cardinals for their sour grapes attitudes about our off season.
So I’ll try and keep the hypocrisy to a minimum about this =p. All indications are that Darvish has the stuff to be a top tier pitcher. Of course there are a lot of things that could go wrong, but that is true of any signing. Even signing a proven free agent. Just look at Carl Crawford and Jayson Werth last year.
if his control and stuff is even close to as good as has been reported I’m sure he will do well here. The comparisons to Dice-k are probably unfair. That’s like saying because Eric Young is from new jersey and is a below average player Mike Trout will be too. Ok it’s not exactly like that but you get my point.
He will probably do really well in at least the first half of 2012 as well until the league figures him out and gets some real scouting on him.
Whether he is a huge upgrade over C.J.? tough to say, but he projects to at least be a quality addition to the team and make our race to the play offs more interesting.
xx
Ok it’s not exactly like that but you get my point.
well, except that it is. it is actually worse. it would be like saying Eric Young played HS ball in New Jersey, like Mike Trout so he will be below average.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I cannot believe that people are attempting to ARGUE with Dad of Vlad.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 20, 2011 10:47 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
i cant believe the guy hasnt been run off of HH yet
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
i cant believe you let someone
who brings nothing to stay around
at least JW can talk baseball from time to time
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
i talk baseball
Angels – 1 WSC
Texas – 0 WSC
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Careful knockoutking, DOV will pin you against the ropes
and then gif you to death.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
take that
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
i agree
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I'm glad he's our troll,
Or I couldn’t take it.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
by NathanielS on Dec 20, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
just be greatful Rev dumped Josey
he makes DOV look like childs play
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
oh man, yes.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Chucky was pretty scary in Child's Play series of movies...
I’m not sure I want to think of that comparison! ;)
DoV is your “friend ’til the end.”
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 20, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
With friends like that ... who needs enemas?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 20, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
i have no enemies
just people that dont like me yet
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Name one pitcher who came from Japan and had a long successful career as an ace
hell, name me one worth 15-20 million dollars a year (if you factor in the bid itself).
Not worried. I’ll believe it when it happens.
This also means they’re out on other players like Fielder.
This is a sig.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 20, 2011 1:24 PM PST reply actions
Rangers are paying ~$120+ million for (potentially) a pair of concrete shoes
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
umad?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Even if he does turn out to be as good as they hoped for they
1.) lost a good pitcher in Wilson whom he will be replacing. Ignoring the risk he doesnt pan out, it will be only a minor improvement at best. And
2.) They are paying him more than Cliff Lee got from Philly. His contract will hamper them from signing/ extending other players to help the team win.
They are better than they were a week ago, but not by much.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 20, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yup.
He’ll be replacing CJ, much like Beltre 2011 replaced Vlad 2010. It’s the Napoli X-factor that scares me. Right now, they’ve improved marginally with this addition….now, if they go above and beyond and grab Prince, then I’ll be worried.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
using fangraphs stats
kuroda has been worth over 15mm twice
dice k has been over 15mm once and 14.9mm once
then you have a bunch of RPs and spare SPs that have come over
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
that said
to think that they will all be bad because they have been not ace caliber so far = stupid
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 20, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I meant for the life of a contract, champ
3 seasons of 15mm value in the history of Japanese imports is not a very good ROI.
This is a sig.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 20, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
well we dont have anywhere near enough info to use it for SPs
considering there are something like 20 or 21 japanese pitchers ever who have pitched 50+ IP in a season in the US
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
And all of them did worse here than there
considerably worse, or only ‘as good’ for a considerably shorter time.
Hell, even the hitters never did as well here. Ichiro included, in fact.
This is a sig.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 21, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
that is because, among other things, the level of competition there is lower
no one thinks that he is going to have a 1.99 ERA here (that is his career era in NPB)
so if he isnt one of the best starting pitchers in the history of baseball, then he will have done worse here than there.
there have been TWENTY ONE pitchers who have pitched 50+ innings in the history of MLB from Japan. dont even act like this is enough to make a judgement on all of them or come to a conclusion.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 21, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Who said I was making a judgement on all of them?
Your assumptions = your problem.
My exact earlier words were, in fact, merely:
“Not worried. I’ll believe it when it happens.”
This is a sig.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 21, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
east coast Angels fan here.
So if the Halos sign Haroda now that he’s a FA (dodgers chose not to resign him) does it make all of the yu talk go away?
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