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  • It's hard for me to get excited about this: 2012 Roster Projection: Los Angeles Angels Of Anaheim - MLB Daily Dish - Batting Order 1. CF Bourjos 2. DH Abreu 3. 2B Kendrick 4. RF Hunter 5. 1B Trumbo 6. 3B Callaspo 7. LF Wells 8. C Iannetta 9. Aybar. I'll admit it, I wouldn't mind if the Angels signed Aramis Ramirez as long as the contract is reasonable...something along the lines of 2/28 with an option. Here's what JDP had to say about the free agent third baseman: Dipoto won't confirm Angels' interest in Ramirez - The Orange County Register. "Angels GM Jerry Dipoto declined to confirm any contact with Ramirez. "I won't say anything other than obviously through the course of the past 30 days or so we've been exploring a number of ways to make ourselves a better and more complete team," he said Thursday."
  • Here's an interesting look at C.J. Wilson: A look into C.J. Wilson's future - ESPN. "In his two years in the Rangers rotation, he won 31 games with a 3.14 ERA, pitching 427 innings without missing a start. He's done that despite pitching in a tough home park -- his road ERA over those two seasons was 2.56. Over the past two seasons, the only starters with a better park-adjusted ERA are Roy Halladay, Clayton Kershaw, Cliff Lee, Justin Verlander and Jered Weaver. Wilson rates better than CC Sabathia, Felix Hernandez or Cole Hamels." When Wilson is bunched in with these noted pitchers, his asking price ($100M) doesn't seem so unreasonable. However, I suppose we also have to consider he's only been a starter for two seasons with inconsistent results as a reliever in his previous five seasons (4.30 ERA in 280.2 IP). Plus, good news for any team looking to sign the lefty free agent, it looks like the Wilson market demand got a little smaller, Yankees turned down meeting with free agent C.J. Wilson - HardballTalk. "Marchand reports that Wilson’s agent requested a meeting to discuss the free agent left-hander and "the Yankees said no.""
  • This is easier said than done, but if I were DiPoto I would sign Wilson and then trade Ervin Santana to Cincinnati for Votto: Offseason decisions: The Reds need a starter - The Hardball Times. "There has been a lot of talk about the fact that Joey Votto is going to start getting very expensive for the Reds in 2013 and the fact that Votto has made every indication that he wants to test free agency after that season. This has led many to believe the Reds might be interested in dealing Votto this offseason, a belief that has been fed by reports from national media outlets that while the Reds are not actively shopping Votto, they are listening to offers." Santana would become the a front of the rotation starter for the Reds while Votto would lead the Halos to the World Series.

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Nolan Ryan's view of the offensive ability from the 2012 Angel Roster as currently constructed....



From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average

by mustard_man on Dec 2, 2011 7:01 AM PST reply actions  

Boom. Roasted.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Dec 2, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

And then

I did the Moonwalk!!!

by CaptainCarlos on Dec 2, 2011 2:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Like the Joey Votto idea

We could then trade Trumbo—for whom or what?— and let Kendrys DH and show us whether or not he’ll be a superstar first baseman ever again. Halfway through the season, we’ll know where he stands, and then either let Votto go make his bizillions or make a play for him.

by Rock Island Line on Dec 2, 2011 7:13 AM PST reply actions  

Votto for Santana+Trumbo is an idea I've been shopping in the threads last couple weeks.

Glad WiHalofan is on the same page.

You’d have to throw in Trumbo — Votto is very much more valuable than Santana alone.

This makes way too much sense for the Angels.

by Turks Teeth on Dec 2, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I doubt that Cincy would do that.

The guy won an MVP and is under control for 2 years. Look at the haul AGon got with one year remaining.

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

He costs $17M next season, and Cincy doesn't have the budget to extend him.

Votto does nothing for the Reds at present except put a few butts in seats. They fielded a sub-.500 team for the 10th time in 11 seasons last year.

The only way they change that is with pitching. Their farm sucks for pitching, and they don’t have the payroll to compete in free agency for it.

by Turks Teeth on Dec 2, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree with every point you made

Don’t think that package gets a sniff. They probably hang up on you

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I doubt they hang up on any Santana-centered trade.

Honestly — they have no friggin pitching.

If not Trumbo, maybe Kendrick and a prospect. They’re having lots of contract issues with Brandon Phillips — and Kendrick could play LF for them as well.

by Turks Teeth on Dec 2, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Santana

11.2 in 2012. 13 in 2013 but Votto’s 17m is a back breaker?

I think the package is light. I also do not think they Reds need to trade Votto for economic reasons. I think they need to trade him because he is hell bent on testing free agency.

Also not sure I would put a big package together for a dude with mental problems.

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

All fan chatter at this point.

But the “mental problems” bit just feels like a variation on Godwin’s law.

Subthread closed.

by Turks Teeth on Dec 2, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Um he suffers from depression.

Same as Zach Greinke.

Glad you have the authority to close threads now. Good stuff.

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't know that

I knew of the incident in 2009 or so when his dad passed away very suddenly. That would mess me up too.

I thought it was an isolated incident.

by BigGame48 on Dec 2, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

seriously?

You don’t think they’d consider Santana??

by firebird81 on Dec 2, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Is their pitching

really that bad? Travis Wood, Mike Leake, Sam LeCure and Johnny Cueto are all young & promising…or is the problem that there’s nothing else left in the system after those guys.

But you’re right: the Reds don’t need Votto. They have other options.

by jjackflash on Dec 2, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Just thinking about this Im all

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 2, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Down

I need to grab Comm Nate, 2pints and a few others as well. We are about two years overdue for a HH Brewski-athon

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 2, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I would say Mayhem too but hes all "sober" now

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 2, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

in

and now that I’m single feel free to bring some of those fer sures you showed us a while ago

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation

by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 2, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Alonso was playing LF for them last season.

And there’s no guarantee than Alonso suddenly becomes Votto. There’s a lot of reasons to think we won’t come close — and that’s why the Reds are shopping him to an extent this winter.

But Alonso + Trumbo gives them a better shot at maintaining a strong offense in the wake of Votto’s departure.

by Turks Teeth on Dec 2, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

LF

First may have been blocked…….

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but it indicates that Alonso isn't limited to first base.

If Votto stays at first, Alonso will continue to play in a corner OF spot.

by Turks Teeth on Dec 2, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

He'll get better.

-0.1 dWAR in 47 games. Vernon-esque.

by Turks Teeth on Dec 2, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Small sample size defense numbers are even more meaningless than most small sample sizes

The general consensus is that he’s terrible.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Dec 2, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Or not...as the post below indicates

Maybe he’s not as bad as originally thought.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Dec 2, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Alonso plays a pretty horrific LF from what I understand...

but I’ll try to find the numbers/link

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 2, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Why not third?

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I doubt Cincy makes that trade assuming he can play an adequate 3B...

There is no evidence that Trumbo is a 3Bman

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 2, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Sarcasm.

Trumbo to third humors me.

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

ha

I knew you were better than that

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 2, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

huh. maybe not

According to the red reporter

From multiple reports, both from amateur eyewitnesses and scouts, Alonso gets good reads and take good routes on fly balls. He has only one error in 92 minor league games in LF, with a sparkling 1.000 fielding percentage (I know, I know) in Louisville. While this says nothing at all about range – and is therefore almost useless – it at least helps to bolster reports that Yonder is good at getting to balls he can get to. He has a decent arm, evident in 3 outfield assists this season in Louisville, which is certainly better than zero. I’m already stretching the limits of available defensive metrics, but Yonder’s 1.47 Range Factor (put outs + assists/game) isn’t an alarm bell either. Chris Heisey posted similar numbers in LF playing in the Reds’ system.

Heres the link

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 2, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Interesting.

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Shoulda read this before I posted

Everything I’d heard was that he was/would be terrible in left. Maybe not as bad as people thought.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Dec 2, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah Alonso actually is a good first baseman.

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

The only problem with somehow getting both Wilson and Votto...

We would become ESPN’s pre-ordained winner of the WS, and that never seems to work out.

by Rock Island Line on Dec 2, 2011 7:14 AM PST reply actions  

Bullshit

ESPN would still pick Texas over us

Jerry Dipoto, Vampire Killer

by ryanfea on Dec 2, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

If it gets us Votto....

…I’m lovin’ it.

From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average

by mustard_man on Dec 2, 2011 7:46 AM PST up reply actions  

and

you wont be the only one…

by Freddyn on Dec 2, 2011 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Three is a party…

"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca

by migfig on Dec 2, 2011 9:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I've obviously missed something.....

Will someone please inform me of the facts regarding the analyst on MLBNetwork’s assertion which is in the video corner of the Angels site stating that Iannetta’s defense is worse than Napoli’s?

I admit I’ve missed reading a lot lately (too much good stuff going on in NCAA FB), but that one took me by surprise.

Thanks for your assistance.

by wumbug on Dec 2, 2011 8:05 AM PST reply actions  

Both Fangraphs and BBRef

have ranked Ianetta consistently above Napoli. In 2011 they were damn near identical. The fact that Ianetta seems to catch more games per year and Dipoto’s raving over his glove work (though that could be just to satiate Scioscia’s desire for a defensive whiz behind the plate) tells me that he’s comfortably ahead of Napoli with the glove and more likely to hold up for the duration of the season.

Who was that dude in the video? Sounded like he was talking out his ass.

by dmhead on Dec 2, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Votto would be unreal

Give them Ervin and Vernon (and pay his whole damn contract if you have to – probably would). Then sign a #4 and punch your ticket for October.

I dream.

by BigGame48 on Dec 2, 2011 8:07 AM PST reply actions  

They're not going to swallow our bitter pill.

But they may be interested in Trumbo with Ervin.

They put Alonso in LF, and Trumbo at the corner, and they have a frontline starter they could look into extending.

It makes a lot of sense for both teams.

by Turks Teeth on Dec 2, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

My thoughts (although it was only about 30 seconds of thought)

Was if they moved Yonder to 1B they would have a spot open in LF (unless they went with Heisey). Of course we would have to swallow Wells’ entire contract but we’re paying him regardless and Trout is better.

Your proposal certainly makes a lot of sense. However, I agree they would probably want more for Votto even if it does make sense for them. For the record, I don’t think my proposal would get it done either. I just tossed it out there while I was rubbing the sleep out of my eyes this morning.

by BigGame48 on Dec 2, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

we NEED someone like votto

santana, or even haren, plus trumbo might just get it done.

"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black

by the king of CERA on Dec 2, 2011 9:15 AM PST reply actions  

Keep Haren’s name out of your mouth when speaking about this!

"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca

by migfig on Dec 2, 2011 9:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not sure how much interest they would have in Trumbo

I’m guessing they would want to slide Yonder Alonso over to 1B if they were to part with Votto.

by BigGame48 on Dec 2, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I would be fine with it as long as Trout, Weaver, Haren, Bourjos, or Kendrick were apart of the trade.

Trumbo can go whiff his balls off in Cincy for all I care.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 2, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm just saying I don't think he's a fit for them

I will be bummed if they trade Trumbo. He’s a buddy of mine so seeing him go would sting. Watching him in another uniform wouldn’t be the same.

by BigGame48 on Dec 2, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Personal friend, eh?

Tell him over a few beers that not swinging at a few pitches wouldn’t hurt.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 2, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

He's just name dropping. I'm not impressed.

If he knew someone like Eric Chenoweth…well, then I’d give him props.

"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood

by Mayheminthehood on Dec 2, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha

Nope, VPHS ball boy in 8th grade was the closest I got to Chenowith. Is he still playing in the D-league or overseas?

by BigGame48 on Dec 2, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I saw him in Corona Del Mar about a year and a half ago. I was with a buddy that was actually friends with him, so he stopped and talked.

I guess he’s working the business side of some construction company now. What’s funny is I’m originally from Kansas, and every time over the past decade, including recently, when I bring him up they’ll immediately go off on how much they hated him. Raef LaFrentz forever!

"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood

by Mayheminthehood on Dec 2, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah dude it got bad there...

I heard people would chant “Chenoworthless” in his own arena. Also heard stories of people throwing stuff at his car etc… I can’t confirm any of it though, so take it with a grain of salt.

by BigGame48 on Dec 2, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

More of a buddy/acquaintance at this point

than a personal friend… but maybe I’ll pass that along for you if I see him soon.

I ran into a mutual friend who’s closer to him yesterday and he said Trumbo’s foot is fine. He’s running with zero pain, but still doing rehab per the Angels request/command.

by BigGame48 on Dec 2, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

We might have some of the same mutual friends.

Also, me and Gritts worked with his ex girlfriend at a loan place. It was one of the stupider times of my life.

"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood

by Mayheminthehood on Dec 2, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Or as I like to call them, Paper Pampers.

Naw…I like them and love supporting the dudes, but I’ve been working the sober thing the past couple months. Bar is too tempting.

"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood

by Mayheminthehood on Dec 2, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

But the hair...

And the charm… come on. that gives him an extra week, IMO.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Dec 2, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

"Zero to Tony Reagins in 8 weeks."

Hollywood has already started the script for the movie.

by ~MMP~ on Dec 2, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Zero to Tony Reagins in 8 minutes is the motto for my sex life.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 2, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

please don't bring "big splash" into this analogy

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation

by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 2, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice reference

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Getting Votto then signing CJ Wilson and ARam

would represent the most sick nasty, awesome-sauce, boner inducing, fist pumping, fuck yeah, epic space jam offseason in forever for the Halos.

Would be significantly better than when we robbed the Dodgers of Vladdy.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 2, 2011 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

2003/2004 Offseason?

Vlad
Guillen (he was a good player, just an asshole)
Colon
Myspace

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Dec 2, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Too bad Trout is blocked

for the meantime. Would be pretty amazing to have both Trout and Morales blocked this year. Trout and a healthy Morales could really help this team. Will be interesting to see how this works itself out.

by Xeifrank on Dec 2, 2011 9:53 AM PST reply actions  

Throwing 15 per at Aramis is just stupid.

Why not sack up and throw 23 at Fielder?

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2011 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

Well I am not either per say but he is a pretty unique bat

In terms of money spent 15 on A Ram makes no sense to me.

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Unless he DHs

then, not so bad.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 2, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

No kidding.

I guess I should just wait til something(if anything) is announced, but a few years of Tony Reagins’ crappy deals has me expecting the worst, like a rescued dog flinching at every one of it’s new owners’ hand gestures.

"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood

by Mayheminthehood on Dec 2, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

This signing will really piss me off.

Knock me right off the Dipoto bandwagon.

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Waiting on Mathis

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Is Santana for Votto fair for the Reds?

I realize pitchers-position players=apples-oranges but there was a large disparity in WAR value. I think someone would accompany Santana in that trade.

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 2, 2011 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

Callaspo and Trumbo?

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Dec 2, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking Walden...

of course I’m sure the community would have no part in a Santana + Walden trade

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 2, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Do they need relievers?

I was thinking Santana, Callaspo, Trumbo. Sign Ramirez for 2-3 years. Sign CJ or Kuroda. Basically done.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Dec 2, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

they're closer is a FA

and the reds blog appears to have a serious attraction to him(of course this has nothing to do with their FO. Our FO rarely does what we want). Plus, relievers are always the most expendable part of a ballclub IMHO especially when it can bag you a potential MVP in Votto.

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 2, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Why is nobody considering a Howie Kendrick trade?

Every other infielder’s name is thrown about, but not Kendrick. His career on base percentage is slightly lower than Callaspo’s and he is about to become a free agent.

Just wondering why his name doesn’t pop up.

by JeffJoiner on Dec 2, 2011 11:23 AM PST reply actions  

I wonder this as well.

He’s coming off a career year and set for free agency in 2012. If the Aramis deal ends up happening I could see Alberto sliding over to 2B and flipping Howie for pitching.

by BigGame48 on Dec 2, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

What would we get for only one year of Howie, though?

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Dec 2, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I bet Detroit would be all over him though.

Maybe a package with Benoit as the centerpiece?

by BigGame48 on Dec 2, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Like Verlander is all over bunts?

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Dec 2, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I would like to get more than a reliever for Howie...

Even if the reliever is only the centerpiece. In my opinion, Howie warrants a package beginning with Jacob Turner.

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 2, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I heard Kenny Williams is asking for a huge return for John Danks

Danks is set for free agency after this year, more expensive than Howie, and equally or less productive (at least in terms of fWAR).

Leads me to believe Howie would bring a pretty nice return even if it’s only 1 year.

by BigGame48 on Dec 2, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I think because he was our most valuable offensive player in 2011...

and offense is the weakest aspect of our team

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 2, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

That just makes him an even better trade chip.

He would get us the best return.

An infield of Ramirez, Aybar, Callaspo, and Trumbo has thump, improves the on base, and leaves Izzy for the utility role.

Just something I’ve been kicking around in my head (I think about this team way too much).

by JeffJoiner on Dec 2, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

reply fail

should have gone below ryanfea

by JeffJoiner on Dec 2, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

He just had his best season

And he has the coolest fucking nickname of anyone on the roster. No deal

Jerry Dipoto, Vampire Killer

by ryanfea on Dec 2, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

idk

DESTRUCTOBEAM sounds pretty destructive, especially in all caps

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 2, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Also DEMONIC ANTICHRISTIAN

Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.

by NathanielS on Dec 2, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been calling for a Kendrick trade since the start of last season

knowing we wouldn’t win the division, I felt he was our best trade chip that we could live without, and whatever young talent they got for him could help the team restock the pretty bleak farm system.

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation

by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 2, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Hands-off Howie

We need him for the Howard’s commercials.

Is it Trout time yet?

by dannyras on Dec 2, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I might be giving in to the A Ram idea

I know Callaspo’s 2011 WAR was almost identical, and A Ram is way more expensive, but I think we would all admit that a major problem with our lineup is the lack of intimidation. Yes, the intimidation factor is an “intangible,” but it is also undeniable. Right now, who in our line-up is a pitcher truly afraid to face? It’s too easy to pitch around the 1 or 2 hitters who may happen to be hot at any given time. Replacing Callaspo with A Ram in the line-up would change the intimidation factor. It would take some of the pressure off Hunter, Wells, and Trumbo, and they may even get to see some better pitches. It would change a pitcher’s approach to our line-up.

Players shouldn’t always be assessed in a vacuum. Just comparing A Ram and Callaspo as individuals does seem to favor keeping Callaspo. But comparing our whole line-up with A Ram vs. our line-up with Callaspo, and considering the intimidation that comes with a blockade of Hunter, A Ram, Trumbo, and Wells (not to mention some other decent hitters like Kenrick and Aybar) makes me think he might be a valuable addition to the team.

JDP already slightly improved our line-up with adding a catcher that will get on base more often than Auto-out Mathis. One more move like adding A Ram would do wonders for the 2012 Angels. I don’t think A Ram is THE BEST player we could add. I’d rather get Pujols or Votto (as long as we still have a solid 3 starters), but I am starting to see how A Ram would help.

Finally, I think it is worth reminding us all that it wasn’t too long ago that many HH’ers were bemoaning the Callaspo acquisition, and/or crying for a more prototypical third baseman. We haven’t had a heavy hitting 3B man since Glaus left, and perhaps now is the time when that would help the most.

Trust the Deception

by Rally Manatee on Dec 2, 2011 12:41 PM PST reply actions  

hmmm
Yes, the intimidation factor is an "intangible," but it is also undeniable.

you got the first part right but in no way is the intimidation factor “undeniable.” Intimidating a pitcher is a byproduct of being a really good hitter. You know who else had an intimidating quality to them before they were an Angel? I think you know the answer. Hint: his name rhymes with vermin smells.

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 2, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Herman Bells?

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation

by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 2, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Sherman Hell?

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation

by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 2, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Yearnin' for Nell?

"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST

by No Bologna Polonia on Dec 2, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

this one is the closest

getting warmer

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 2, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Saw him at AN ANGEL GAME

some time in the mid-80’s. They put him on the jumbotron. You all probably didn’t know he was an Angels fan. Classic.

by Theren86n02 on Dec 2, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

A Ram is the FA most likely to go "Adan Dunn" on his next employer

From Jeff Mathis' TOPPS card: "Jeff is a defensive catcher, but he can rake it when it counts." Jeff has a lifetime .199 MLB batting average

by mustard_man on Dec 2, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Those comps for CJ look pretty awesome.

MAybe he’s not clutch, as they say, in the playoffs, but we need to get to the playoffs. He’s no “better” than our number 3 starter anyway, so the playoff thing is not as big a deal in our case.

I’m very OK with the idea now.

The Angels are ill-served by a front office that willfully disregards both modern and classic performance measurements when it comes to Jeff Mathis. Astonishing, and nearly unforgiveable.

by LittleCupcakes on Dec 2, 2011 6:41 PM PST reply actions  

I am more OK with getting wilson than I was before

because it would mean no a-ram

"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black

by the king of CERA on Dec 3, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

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