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Tuesday Halolinks: Stupid Trade Rumor, and I Mean STUPID

I'm going to lead off a very short version of Halolinks with one of the stupidest rumors I've ever read: Angels Interested In Dioner Navarro - MLBTradeRumors.com. Yeah, this Dioner Navarro, "Navarro, 27, signed a one-year, $1MM deal with the Dodgers a year ago. He posted a .193/.276/.324 line in 202 plate appearances for the Dodgers this past season, preventing 14 of 55 stolen base attempts against him. He hasn't posted an OPS over .600 since making the All-Star team as a member of the 2008 Rays." Here's the Jon Heyman Tweet that this rumor is based on:

have interest in catcher dioner navarro. could be a good fit.
A "good fit"?!? A good fit for what? All I can say is, if this rumor is true AND it actually happens, it will cause me to utter the words, "Why didn't they just keep Mathis?" Welcome to Bizarro World. Wait, I can actually say more...I want a job like Jon Heyman. No, not the Boras part, but the part where I can sit around and make shit up. I'll send Tweets like, "Heard the Twins have interest in re-acquiring Torii Hunter, willing to deal Mauer." Or, "DiPoto has called Brewers about K-Rod." Hold on, that one's not funny.

Star-divide

What's interesting about this post, Why Los Angeles Angels' Albert Pujols deal means Bobby Abreu should be traded - FOX Sports on MSN, is the wording in the headline, "should be" traded. Not, "could be" or "might be", but "should be" which to me suggests Ken Rosenthal thinks the Angels owe something to Abreu and "should" trade him to a team will play him full time. "Right now, (Abreu) is a valuable asset," Dipoto said Monday. "I have a world of respect for Bobby. I want to make sure he’s in a position to be productive. Right now, we have that ability." In dealing Abreu, the Angels would be looking to not only save some cash, Abreu is owed $9M this season, but a useful roster piece. Another quote from the above post, "Then again, this no longer is about money; Abreu has made more than $115 million in his career, according to baseball-reference.com. This is about serving not only Abreu’s best interests, but the Angels’ best interests, too." Sorry, but who cares about Abreu's best interest? I know it's cold-hearted, but the Angels "should be" looking to improve their club, not worry about Abreu's feelings.

Good post (and free!) over at Baseball Prospectus: Overthinking It: Keeping Up with the Friedmans - Baseball Prospectus. "Five of the seven GMs who’ve been hired this winter—Jed Hoyer in Chicago, Ben Cherington, in Boston, Josh Byrnes in San Diego, Jerry Dipoto in Anaheim, and Jeff Luhnow in Houston—fit the mold of the young, progressive GM who marries an affinity for scouting with an appreciation for statistical analysis." And looks good in a suit!

Texas' new potential ace gets a good once over: Yu Darvish Scouting Report - MLB Bonus Baby

"Fastball: His 4 seam fastball can reach the upper 90's on occasion but is more likely to peak at 96. His 2-seam fastball will sit 91-94 mostly and has very good movement. It is a plus pitch."

That's all folks.

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The Android app is finally here!

Thank you, SBNation, although we’ll see if it was worth the wait.

by Halowitz on Dec 20, 2011 10:21 AM PST via Android app reply actions  

I know, I'm stoked. Just downloaded it.

Finally, they have the app available for the good phones.

"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood

by Mayheminthehood on Dec 20, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Where can I download it?

"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca

by migfig on Dec 20, 2011 1:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Where can I download it?

"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca

by migfig on Dec 20, 2011 1:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Android Marketplace, via your phone.

Search for “SBNation”.

"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood

by Mayheminthehood on Dec 20, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you!

"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca

by migfig on Dec 20, 2011 1:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

+1

The app is soooooo slow, and sometimes links to wrong articles. It’s a time waster not a time saver. Better off just going to the mobile version of the site through the browser.

by Persi W on Dec 20, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

My thoughts, EXACTLY

deleted the iPhon app about 4 weeks into it; gave up.

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Dec 21, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

will it run on my Nook?

The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy

by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

You can read?

" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter

by Halos2011champs on Dec 20, 2011 3:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

yes i am not from texas

The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy

by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Got it and posting from my phone.

Now I get to comment when I’m away from work.

by King Weaver on Dec 20, 2011 1:33 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

If the Angels sign Navarro...

I am going to shit bricks.

It makes absolutely no sense at all. At his worst, Conger still hits better than Navarro and he is younger and has nowhere to go but up. Hank must have banged Scioscia’s wife or stole his leftover lasagna or something because he hasn’t been given a fair chance.

"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 20, 2011 10:39 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I totally agree...

Then again, his BA is slightly north of Mathis’, although, that isn’t really saying much.

by Halo1981 on Dec 20, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Yu Darvish

has the worst four seem fastball I have ever seen for someone that young/expensive.

He is going to get lit up like a Christmas tree

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 20, 2011 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

Or as Aerosmith would say.... Dude looks like a lady!

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Dec 20, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

She had the body of a Venus

lord imagine my surprise!

Jeff Mathis (Pseudonym Lyle Spencer) is History... Zang!

by Halo Hurricane on Dec 20, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Your views are intriguing to me...

Are you being serious about his fastball?

Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle

by 5thStarter on Dec 20, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, entirely

Its significantly worse than Dice-Ks fastball, less velocity, significantly less movement.

I just dont think he can survive in a fastball first league with it, pitching in Texas.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 20, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh.

Good to know. I’m still a bit rusty on my Yu trivia. I keep hearing about the movement on his pitches, so I assumed that his fastball moved well, too.

Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle

by 5thStarter on Dec 20, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Let Texass sign him...

It would be great for him to get shit loads of money from Texas, then watch Yu turn around and have an utterly sucktastic MLB experience. I would certainly laugh my ass off.

by Halo1981 on Dec 20, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

this is bad... very bad
jay_jaffe Jay Jaffe
HOLY SHIT RT @Deadspin: Legendary Columnist Bill Conlin Resigns Over Forthcoming Philly Inquirer Bombshell deadspin.com/5869737/

I wonder what the article hits on

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 20, 2011 11:10 AM PST reply actions  

Thought it said "Bill Simmons." Got excited for a second there.

"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood

by Mayheminthehood on Dec 20, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I would love it if he went away

Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check

by hauldog on Dec 20, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

so legendary I had to google his name.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Dec 20, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

FJM made a legend out of Bill Conlin

Back then he was just a thick-headed person who said stupid things about baseball. Apparently now he’s graduated to child molestation. I like FJM’s legend better.

by Suboptimal on Dec 20, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Fuck Dionner Navarro

How shitty do you have to be to be cut by the Dodgers?

Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.

by Teixeira Who? on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

I'm calling bulls$!t

There’s no way a GM who loves OBP will sign Navarro. Even if Conger is a trade chip, Wilson should out produce Navarro as the backup catcher.

by JeffJoiner on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

MLBTradeMisconceptions

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Dec 20, 2011 11:33 AM PST reply actions  

MMMM, Underwhelming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIUeoBrqjHk

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 20, 2011 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

Huh?

His fastball is good enough and the breaking stuff is nasty.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Dec 20, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

BTW

That’s Adam Dunn and David Wright in two of those clips back when they were still legit.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Dec 20, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Problem is

The US is a fastball first league. All managers teach catchers to work off the fastball, setting up breaking pitches.

In Japan its all about breaking pitches (SHUTO, shifty eyes, bulky mustache, black guy from 24) setting up a fastball.

Yu’s fastball is way way too straight, averages 92 MPH, and will suffer immensely if he cannot throw his 2 seamer for strikes.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 20, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Ehh...

I think you’re overstating it a bit, bro. He’s always had good K/BB numbers and keeps the ball on the ground. The slider is as sharp as anything Santana’s ever thrown and I can already see that curve buckling Trumbo’s knees. Smooth, easily repeatable delivery coupled with 5 straight years better than anyone before him…plus numbers trending the right way? I don’t like the cost either, but I sure like the performance.

This video from MLB is a pretty solid breakdown. We’ll see what happens.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Dec 20, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I completely agree on the breaking pitches

I just cant get that straight-as-an-arrow fastball going 92mph out of my mind. In Texas.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 20, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno a lot of those called strikes looked outside to me.

I’m betting he has issues adjusting to an MLB strike zone, especially if the umps give him the typical rookie postage stamp strike zone.

by Darth Duane on Dec 20, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell m about it, looks like none of those battered had any discipline. Maybe that’s how nasty the pitches were…or the strike zone is just that wide.

"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca

by migfig on Dec 20, 2011 1:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, I think it's somewhere in the middle.

Obviously, we didn’t see the pitches before the third strike pitch, so we don’t know how those guys were set up, but A LOT of those pitches were out of the zone and either called a strike by the ump, or swung at by some pretty undisciplined hitters.

Interesting note: A few months ago, I watched a full game of Yu’s on justin.tv and he was just mowing guys down. The only batter who gave him trouble (and actually broke up his perfecto in the 5th) was a former MLB player.

Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle

by 5thStarter on Dec 20, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Did someone give Reagins access to a phone again?

Damn it, keep the cell phone out of Tony’s hands so he isn’t calling these people with his assinine ideas.

CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!

by steelgolf on Dec 20, 2011 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

I disagree about the way the Angels should handle Abreu

Yes, their first priority is to make moves (or not make moves) that improve the team. And I hate it when players make demands (especially after they’ve signed a free agent contract or an extension beyond their arb years).

But I do think that working with a player to find him the best possible situation shows respect. Maybe that eventually involves a trade, maybe it doesn’t. I don’t think they “owe” him a trade. They should care what he wants, though, because every employer should care about their employees. It makes for a better place to work. And it can’t hurt the organization’s reputation among free agents.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Dec 20, 2011 12:15 PM PST reply actions  

I would have been okay with getting K-Rod back.

Say what you want about his WHIP or K-Rate, at no point in his career did K-Rod ever blow 10 saves in a season. His highest ever is 7.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Dec 20, 2011 12:16 PM PST reply actions  

Makes no sense

Mathis’ cERA in 2011 was 3.28 and Navarro’s was 3.47, so you know Sosh would’ve rather have kept Mathis.

As for Abreu, he may believe he’s entitled to play everyday, but I don’t think so. The only things he still does well are take a walk and steal a few bags. Well, okay, I guess 30 doubles is still decent too. Those things would be valuable off the bench for the Angels. I could see him being a frequent pinch hitter leading off innings when we are down a run or two late in games. But he doesn’t have the defensive quickness to play the OF regularly anymore, and he doesn’t have the power to be a full time DH. What does he expect to do everyday? Would he rather play everyday for a losing team, or win a ring on the Angels bench?

Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?

by Rally Manatee on Dec 20, 2011 12:16 PM PST reply actions  

Ignoring salaries and assuming Kendrys never plays again, the right move is Trout in LF, Abreu DH vs RHP and Wells DH vs LHP.

If Kendrys can stand and run on two legs, then Abreu and Wells should become 4th & 5th OFs/bench players. Obviously, salaries prevent this, but production does not.

After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we use to discuss.

by snowhor on Dec 20, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

This sounds about right

Oh how I wish this would happen. Alas, the failure to recognize sunk costs will not allow it.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Dec 20, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Dioner Navarro was the 8th worst defensive catcher in baseball last season...

…according to the Beyond the Box Score ratings.

Four slots worse than Hank Conger.

So he hits as poorly as Jeff Mathis, and is demonstrably atrocious at doing what he’s paid to do — catch — in a pitcher’s park no less.

by Turks Teeth on Dec 20, 2011 12:16 PM PST reply actions  

soooooo....

2/18 ?

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Dec 20, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Might as well just give Bobby Wilson a raise.

Wilson hits like Navarro, costs less, and is actually a decent defensive catcher.

by Turks Teeth on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Tony, is that you?

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Dec 20, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

But he seems to have similar stats as Mathis last year.

ANd you know how Sosh loved him some Mathis.

"It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy." - Nolan Ryan

by BigTex71 on Dec 20, 2011 12:24 PM PST reply actions  

i heard the angels wanted Mathis Back

since bazzaro world is in effect

The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy

by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 20, 2011 12:33 PM PST reply actions  

I understand the reasoning behind signing Dioner....

…our Front Office wants to be more Left Handed in the line-up. And with Iannetta expected to catch more than 100 games, they would have Conger in AAA to work on his defense and play everyday to stay sharp. Moreover, to stay sharp in the event of an injury to Iannetta.

When you throw in the standard cliche that Dioner has upside of being a former All Star and that he’ll make $800,000 dollars less than Mathis, the idea is a little easier to accept.

With all that being said, I have let go of my fanboy status for Conger and accepted the fact that Scioscia is not going to ever give him a chance as an everyday catcher.

by cuscus85 on Dec 20, 2011 1:17 PM PST reply actions  

Lol!

"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca

by migfig on Dec 20, 2011 1:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Wrong. Managers have it right.

Conventional Matchups > Proven Skill Levels

After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we use to discuss.

by snowhor on Dec 20, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Me two

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Dec 20, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I see what you did their

Jeff Mathis (Pseudonym Lyle Spencer) is History... Zang!

by Halo Hurricane on Dec 20, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

for all intensive purposes it could be a good signing

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation

by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 20, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

It looks like your loosing the argument

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Dec 21, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I could care less about all of your opinions

"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon

by BruinHalo on Dec 21, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Icy what Yu did they're.

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Dec 21, 2011 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Here, here!

Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle

by 5thStarter on Dec 20, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I really don’t know how to use the app. I can’t even find HalosHeaven on it? Is there no boots just articles?

"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca

by migfig on Dec 20, 2011 1:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Go to "following" or "Lineup"...hit "Add more" and then search for Halos Heaven. Also would want to add LA Angels as far as teams go.

You can also press the “+” sign in the top right corner, does the same thing.

"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood

by Mayheminthehood on Dec 20, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

As much as I would like to see some of the logjam solved for some of these position players

I think it’s gonna have to wait till late in Spring Training or early in the season to see how some of these players are doing.

-how does Trumbo look at 3b?
-can K-Mo contribute or is Bobby going to be be the lefty in the lineup?
-does Trout do well enough to earn playing time at the big-league level?
-what can we get for Izzy or Callaspo if some team becomes desperate for an infielder?
etc…

by river-z on Dec 20, 2011 1:54 PM PST reply actions  

Would I have been a smart move

To bid an enormously high amount for Darvish, perhaps 65mm but give him a lowball offer like league minimum. That way he would most likely return to Japan, the Angels are out $0 and the rangers are Yu-less.

" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter

by Halos2011champs on Dec 20, 2011 2:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Would It have been a smart move

To bid an enormously high amount for Darvish, perhaps 65mm but give him a lowball offer like league minimum. That way he would most likely return to Japan, the Angels are out $0 and the rangers are Yu-less.

" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter

by Halos2011champs on Dec 20, 2011 2:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

This was discussed recently

And, basically, there is nothing from stopping the Angels from posting a 100 million dollar posting fee then offering Yu Darvish a western grip hand-jay for payment, blocking him for at least one year from the Rainjars.

Howevah

This would basically piss off Japan and seriously threaten any legit attempt in the future for the Angels acquiring talent there.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 20, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

That's the only negative thing I could think of.

If it were up to me I would have undergone it.

" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter

by Halos2011champs on Dec 20, 2011 2:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

That sounds right, but it doesn't really work if you think about it

The posting system is anonymous so it couldnt hurt the team’s chances of having a future offer accepted. the athletes could refuse to sign with the angels, but most of them dont like the posting system anyway and in the end, I doubt they would turn down the dollars.

by Balls and Strikes on Dec 20, 2011 3:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The player would just not accept a contract out of pride/spite

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 20, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

The commish can also block deals via the posting system

If he thinks a team didn’t offer a bid or negotiate in good faith, he can award the negotiating rights to the second place team. Never been done before, but it’s possible.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Dec 21, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

i hear Granderson is available.

GORGEOUS BOURJOS! *clap clap clap-clap-clap*

by Of Maicer and Men on Dec 20, 2011 6:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

instead of all this useless talking

about navarro, we should just ask 1 simple question: what would tony reagins do?

by Marc Bonifacio on Dec 20, 2011 6:51 PM PST reply actions  

Conger and Wilson's Numbers Have Not Been Any Better...

But Conger has the better upside.

Wilson is out of options.

It makes total sense if they DFA or trade Wilson.

Navarro could then be sent to AAA as an emergency catcher, and then Scioscia would have more flexibility to have an extra bench player or extra pitcher mid-season.

Regarding Abreu: Don’t trade him at all. The Angels just signed the best player in the game, which put everyone else in the lineup back to their normal roles, and with reaplcing Mathis with Ianetta, and Morales possibly coming back, this offense is suddenly very deep.

Even if Morales doesn’t return, this lineup is still deep enough to have Abreu DHing everyday. Pujols, Trumbo, Hunter, and Wells will all give us 20+ HR and plenty of RBI’s so I think Abreu’s role is well defined as a run creator for the Angels in 2012.

by RyÅn Krol on Dec 22, 2011 10:07 PM PST reply actions  

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