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Hi guys.

First time posting. Grew up in the Edmonds/Salmon/Finley era. Excited to talk Halos.

With the recent (likely) addition of Darvish to the Rangers’ lineup, my feelings about the Angels’ potential moves have grown stronger. I think the team is 2 moves away from elite status. Because the Angels have already broken the bank for the year, I figure why not go all out and try to grab it all right away? I think they need one more right-handed bullpen arm and a power bat to protect Pujols/add depth to the order.

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I have two scenarios. They are both reasonable (in my mind), although I know the teams involved haven’t expressed an interest in the moves. Just wanted to see what people thought. Please don’t kill me if these have been touched on before (the recent David Wright-poster mugging had me questioning whether to even try). I’m going to assume the Angels’ salary is around $163M before the trades (based on my quick addition – I saw a number on another post at $160M), so I will keep the final salary under the $178M luxury tax for 2012.

Scenario 1:

Angels Get: Ryan Zimmerman ($12M 2012 Salary), Roger Bernadina ($400k 2012 salary)

Nationals Get: Mark Trumbo, Peter Bourjos

Angels proposed lineup (my 2012 projections):

CF Trout (.285/18 HR/52 RBI/32 SB)

2B Kendrick (.320/15 HR/61 RBI)

1B Pujols (.315/41 HR/117 RBI)

3B Zimmerman (.305/30 HR/105 RBI)

DH Morales (.290/26 HR/88 RBI)

RF Hunter (.275/21 HR/75 RBI)

LF Wells (.260/28 HR/80 RBI)

C Ianetta (.240/15 HR/58 RBI)

SS Aybar (.287/5 HR/44 RBI)

Why this helps Halos: Pretty clear. The Angels get a gold glove 3B and a left-handed outfield bat. I don’t think Bernadina is a must, but he would add some good bench speed and another left handed bat, which the Angels need (especially because the second half of this scenario includes moving Abreu). Zimmerman is signed through 2013 ($14M in 2013) and, I think, the Angels could likely extend him. He provides protection for Pujols for years to come. Further, Trout will be able to step in right away. Yeah, he’ll take his lumps, but every player does and has to learn to overcome it. Also, he is our best leadoff option – great speed, high OBP. I’d miss Bourjos, but you have to give some to get some. You are gambling a bit that Morales could get back to DH, but Callaspo is a proven commodity that could step into the DH role if Morales is struggling (also, Cron could possibly/hopefully be ready sooner than later if necessary).

Why it helps Nats: Anthony Rendon is waiting in the wings. The kid will be a star and is probably on the fast track to getting there. The Nats have been looking for a center fielder and their 1B was split between Michael Morse (who did have a good year) and Andy LaRoche (kidding me?). They could use a solid young 1B. Trumbo plays good D and provides power.

Angels get: Evan Meek ($461k)

Pirates get: Bobby Abreu + $5M cash

Angels are getting a solid right handed reliever to bolster the back of the game. I’d love to see the Halos go after a Madson/Cordero type, but they are probably too expensive. Let’s just say that I don’t trust Walden in the 7th game with a playoff series on the line.

Final scenario 1 salary: $170M (approx)

Scenario 2:

Angels get: Mike Moustakas ($400k) OR Alex Gordon ($1.4M in 2011), Joakim Soria ($6M)

Royals get: Trumbo, Bourjos

This would help the Angels to fill their 3B position. The Royals could move Gordon back to his original 3B (where he was solid defensively) and put Bourjos in CF. Because Moustakas isn’t established by any means, I think the Angels could pull off the move to get Soria. Soria, is under contract for 3 more years, and the Angels could hold him for a year while they groom Walden a little more and then try to move Soria. The Royals are looking to move Soria right now.

Scenario 2 final salary: $169M at most.

Scenario 2 possible batting order:

CF Trout (.285/18 HR/52 RBI/32 SB)

2B Kendrick (.320/15 HR/61 RBI)

1B Pujols (.315/36 HR/102 RBI)

DH Morales (.290/29 HR/97 RBI)

RF Hunter (.275/21 HR/75 RBI)

LF Wells (.260/28 HR/80 RBI)

3B Moustakas (.272/22 HR/83 RBI)/Gordon (.295/24 HR/82 RBI) – might move to 6th in order to put lefty between Hunter/Wells.

C Ianetta (.240/15 HR/58 RBI)

SS Aybar (.287/5 HR/44 RBI)

If Morales can’t play, put Abreu in at DH, hitting after Wells. This is a right handed heavy lineup, but the Angels would have Callaspo, Abreu, and Izturis ready from the left side.

I’d love to hear feedback. Talking Angels’ baseball gets me excited for the year and twitter can only get me so far. Thanks for listening. Go Halos.

This Fan-Post is authored by an independent fan. Tell us what you think and how you feel.

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I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 20, 2011 11:17 PM PST reply actions  

Scenario 1:

Angels Get: Ryan Zimmerman ($12M 2012 Salary), Roger Bernadina ($400k 2012 salary)

Nationals Get: Mark Trumbo, Peter Bourjos

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Although this isn't as bad as I've seen before,

Bourjos won’t be getting traded. It would be foolish to trade him. Both those aren’t spectacular ideas

" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter

by Halos2011champs on Dec 20, 2011 11:25 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Those trades just dont make sense.

1. Nationals just signed Cameron,
2. I realize the Prates aren;t the smartest but really>?
3. Ha ha . that was my reaction.

I think we should trade Rich Thompson (cause he maybe could close) and Alberto Callaspo for Evan Longoria and David Price. That would give Tampa Salary relief and a proven closer.

by Wally's World on Dec 21, 2011 12:46 AM PST reply actions  

Why not?

Bourjos is not as rare a commodity as people think.

The Nats signed Cameron specifically as a 4th outfielder. The guy will never be a starter again.
Pirates have great bullpen depth – Meek is their 3rd/4th BP arm

I get your point w/ the Price/Longo ridiculousness, but if you really think my proposal is anything like your mockery, then you’re fairly stupid. Bourjos/Trumbo, while not all-world players, are valuable pieces.

by cougwilly on Dec 21, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

If Bourjos is not a rare commodity

Then please provide examples of players with a skill set like his.

CJ Wilson is OUR douche now!

by ryanfea on Dec 21, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I won't make an exhaustive list, but off the top of my head:

Upton, Jennings, Adam Jones, Ellsbury, Dexter Fowler, Kemp, Granderson, Victorino, McCutcheon, Cameron Maybin, Chris Young, Austin Jackson, Drew Stubbs, Brett Gardner, Justin Upton, Carlos Gonzales, Matt Joyce.

These aren’t all exact comparisons, but they all play solid defense, have some power, and use their speed. Some have more/less power or are slightly better/worse than Bourjos in the field, but it isn’t like Bourjos is irreplaceable.

But don’t get me wrong, I love Bourjos and would love to see the Angels keep him. However, I think there would be more value upgrading another position and letting Trout step into CF.

by cougwilly on Dec 21, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Most of these guys are considered untouchable by their respective teams

That makes Bourjos a rare commodity because we can’t feasibly acquire a player with a similar skill set to him.

CJ Wilson is OUR douche now!

by ryanfea on Dec 21, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Dec 23, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that Bourjos is as close to untouchable as anyone for 2012

…that may not be the case once they’ve worked out where Trout is at developmentally for 2013, but for now, he’s too important to our fly-ball prone staff

I see red people

by The Limey on Dec 21, 2011 1:03 AM PST reply actions  

Unless there's a no trade clause

Sorry – no one is untouchable for the right trade

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by mustard_man on Dec 21, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Scenario 1: I would cry
Scenario 2: I would cry

Let’s keep our speedy outfielders and let out pitching staff get a couple no-hitters next year.

"It is a haunted game in which every player is measured against the ghosts of all who have gone before."

by AlanFalcon on Dec 21, 2011 3:56 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks for the thought and effort put into this

I don’t agree with your ideas, for reasons others have stated, but you certainly cleared Bama’s low bar with ease. Keep at it.

I dream of a Trout-Bourjos outfield. Yeah, a big bat third baseman would help, but I’d rather stick with Callaspo than part with Bourjos. Here are our trade-able pieces in my opinion: Callaspo or Izzy, Trumbo, Abreu. Maybe, just maybe, Aybar and/or Kendrick if we get someone really special.

Your projections look optimistic to me.

by Rock Island Line on Dec 21, 2011 5:58 AM PST reply actions  

There is no need to submit an "apology fanpost"

Your ideas need some work, but they do show initiative and merit.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by mustard_man on Dec 21, 2011 6:39 AM PST reply actions  

there is no becoming

WE ARE THE BEST

deal with it bitches

The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy

by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 21, 2011 8:41 AM PST reply actions  


I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by mustard_man on Dec 21, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Watch out AL

The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy

by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 21, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Wh..... what the hell

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 21, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

WILDCARD

The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy

by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 21, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Best ever ASIP episode

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 21, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

the gang goes on a road trip

is the best

The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy

by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 21, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

when they started the fire in the back of the U-Haul

and they passed out and the kid stole the car

i was crying

The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy

by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 21, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle

by 5thStarter on Dec 22, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

i know who you are

ngoab

wondering what Ortiz did with that game ball...

by vongveng on Dec 21, 2011 10:08 AM PST reply actions  

nevermind

the person i thought you were I believe is in law school somewhere else. oh well

wondering what Ortiz did with that game ball...

by vongveng on Dec 21, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

If it breaks up a future outfield of trout and bourjos, I'd have to pass

Scenario 1:
5 infielders

Scenario 2:
Torii camped in a lawn chair on the right field line, sipping pina coladas, waiting for something to be hit at him.

by MidMiHalo on Dec 21, 2011 2:08 PM PST reply actions  

Having someone to hit behind pujols should be a main priority in my opinion

If we have noone to hit behind him, hes going to get walked 150+ times next year. And i would really hate to start watching him expand his strike zone because of this.

by Frank158369 on Dec 21, 2011 8:51 PM PST reply actions  

This is a very good point....And for this reason I think the key to 2012 for the Angels is that Kendry come back strong (circa 2009) and stay healthy!

That will be the biggest determining factor for the Angels success or lack thereof in 2012.

And I would add, if , Kendry does do that then we wouldn’t need Ryan Zimmerman.

by Jack Frostt on Dec 22, 2011 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Not if the put players in front of him that can get on base.

After this off-season, I have no recollection of this Del Ninja character we used to discuss.

by snowhor on Dec 28, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Abreu

Doesn’t have much, if any, trade value. If he were a FA does he honestly get more than $1 million and a guaranteed spot on the 25?

by YouthofToday on Dec 22, 2011 9:09 PM PST reply actions  

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