all out- trade for longoria
by letsgolal on Dec 22, 2011 3:44 AM PST
Email
Printsign Oswalt or Kuroda to $10m/yr for 2 years
Trade-SP-Santana, he is due to have more or less than John Danks money ($65/5) to the yankees for C-Gary Sanchez(Top 2 NY prospect),LHP-M.Banuelos(4th),SS/3B-Nunez(8th)
then trade for:
3B-longoria
Rays recieve:
3B-Callaspo, fills for Longoria
C-Conger or Sanchez, high prospect and can have Playing time (undoubtly better than j.molina)
1B-Trumbo, they are in need of 1B (and Trumbo is years away from arbitration)- RAYS will love his contract status (runner up in ROY)
DH-Morales or Abreau, they are in need of DH, there's the injury doubt but for $2m+, he is a low risk - high reward type (if healthy definitely miles better than Damon), if they doubt Morales health they can choose Abreau and the Angels will eat half of its contract
2B-Izturis or Nunez, are way better than they're current 2nd baseman (very versatile infielder)can play multiple infield positions
what do you think?
This Fan-Post is authored by an independent fan. Tell us what you think and how you feel.
88 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
No, don't trade Santana
we need the rotation just as it is, maybe add another SP
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
replace santana with oswalt or kuroda, coz nxt year he will command more dollars than john danks $65/5
by letsgolal on Dec 22, 2011 6:48 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
We have a club option on Santana for 2013.
All we have to do is say “you’re playing here” and he will be.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 22, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Going to purge this post from my memory
Off to the kitchen for some Milk of Amnesia…
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
Let's start with the easy part
There is no motivation for the Rays to trade Longoria. None. “Because I want them to trade Longoria” is not a valid reason. He below-reality cheap, with team options for 2014, 2015 and 2016, never more than $11.5M any of those years. Unless you’re prepared to make an incredibly stupid offer to try and pry him loose (like Trout, Richards and Segura, along with Weaver and a ton of cash), it won’t happen.
It. Won’t. Happen.
So your post above is really a massive episode of wanking, one which has been done repeatedly here by those before you who, likewise, believed they had discovered fire and rushed to give the rest of us the good news.
As an aside, if you’re going to write about player, especially players on this team, have the good form and the modest edumacation to spell their names correctly. It isn’t “Abreau”. It’s Abreu. You’ll find the name very conveniently spelled out for you on the front page of this site.
Don’t misunderstand me, this isn’t about being a grammar nazi. If you stumble over Yoennis Cespedes, I think just about anyone would let it pass. But if your intent is to be taken seriously as an analyst of this team and its personnel, then you should take the extra 10 seconds before clicking POST and review your work, lest you butcher the name of the very player whose value you presume to understand.
It’s a sign of pride. It’s a sign of consideration for your reader. It’s just smart.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 22, 2011 7:14 AM PST up reply actions 10 recs
This isn't 'Nam. This is Halos Heaven. There are rules!
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Dec 22, 2011 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rule 8: NO T&A
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 22, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
8 year olds, dude
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Dec 22, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Rule 5: No Martyrs
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Dec 22, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
como el dijo
Your Angels: Telling Pythagoras to go to hell since 2004.
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 22, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve been thinking to add segura, but since Im an LA homer, haha, I turn to be a little conservative..
i think santana,trumbo,morales,conger,callaspo and segura will make them think about it.
Santana-a proven SP, trumbo-ROY-runner up(and he will improve specially hitting in AL east),morales-hit for high ave/high power(health concerns),Conger-needs only playing time to prove himself, segura(top 3 Angels prospect) is not bad..
It covers them the three positions they are at worst (1B,DH,C), a ave 3B, and a high prospect 2B. And all of them are in long term team control at cheap price except Santana and Morales(arbitration)
Quality, not quantity matters in trades
Andrew Friedman is not Tony Reagins. Trout would absolutely have to be included in any package. Furthermore, Morales has no value until he proves he is back from the injury. Lastly, aside from Trout and Richards – being a “top rated prospect” in the Halos farm system does not seem to resonate beyond Angels fans.
Supposedly the Yankees balked at the same prospects being included for Gio Gonzales. I love Santana, but Gio is a better value.
As much as I’d love to see Longoria on the Angels, it’s not going to happen any time soon.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by fangraphs segura and conger (top2&3)prospects, i dont see why you named Richards, and the rays dont need pitching.
trading top2&3 propects proven SP +ROYrunner-upAboveAve3B+Morales
for comparisons sake: matt Holliday is traded to Cards for Propect Brett Wallace, Peterson and Mortenson (Wallace is the only highly regarded prospect)
Offensively, Holliday and Longoria’s number are similar, and the only advantage Longoria has is his Team friendly contract.
with that offer, surely the rays will think twice..
EVERY team needs pitching
It’s the coin of the realm. What is surplus to one team becomes a bargaining chip for something they do need.
Beyond that, your comp to Holliday is ridiculous. Holliday was a free agent at the end of that season, when he was traded by Oakland to St Louis. The compensation was for renting him for the few remaining months of the season.
As stated previously, there are three TEAM options on Longoria’s contract which keep him under team control (and at the team’s discretion) through the 2016 season. The two player’s contractual situations are completely different.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 22, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
that’s why i stated that Longoria’s advantage is his team friendly contract..
but the players we are trading are 10x or more better.. im just saying, I just think there’s a chance that the Rays will think about it
Are you really arguing the rays will want to trade longoria... for anyone?
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 22, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Nobody is untradeable
But off the top of my head I can’t think of many more “untouchable” big leaguers than Longo.
by stevefinleyallstars on Dec 22, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
Vernon taught us that
When TR heard that most people though he was untradeable I think he may have got the wrong end of the stick…
If the Rays don't need pitching, then why would they do this trade if Santana is the principle piece they're getting?
They have a logjam of SPs anyway. If this trade were of remote interest to them, wouldn’t they say “Thanks but no thanks for Santana; we’ll take Trout, thank you. Oh and you can keep Morales.”
by stevefinleyallstars on Dec 22, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
the Rays are in rumor of trading one of their SPs for BATS, especially Davis.. So if they recieve Santana, and trade Davis, so their SP’s is still one of the best.
Then they still have 6 starters
Price, Hellickson, Moore, Niemann, Shields, and under your proposal, Santana. How much better would their staff be with Santana instead of Niemann? It’s a marginal improvement. Meanwhile, they traded their best player (Longoria, arguably the best 3B in the game) for some misfit toys and a couple of prospects that may or may not pan out. I don’t know, but to me that sounds like they aren’t improving their ball club.
This is a move that a rebuilding team would make. With their pitching as is, Tampa is a lot closer to winning the World Series than trying to rebuild their club.
by stevefinleyallstars on Dec 22, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly
Gonzalez is LHP and under team control through 2015 season. Santana is a free agent after 2013 season. Santana might be more mature and knowledgeable due to experience, but no team is going to surrender its prize prospects for someone who is good as gone in two years, unless a lot of money is provided to him in the form of an extension.
Likewise, Morales has much more value to the Angels than he does any other team, due to the fact that any team which trades for him gives up something of value in exchange for a player who will cost at least $3M in 2012 but who might or might not be ready to play in April (or June, or ever). The Angels can take that roll of the dice because they don’t have to surrender any players to find out if Kendrys is ready to go, but I can’t imagine any GM would trade for Morales until he has shown the ability to run from 1B to 3B without looking like Chester Goode in the process.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 22, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
the yankees prospects are not as good as the other farms, besides Jesus Montero, and even if they include him, I doubt the Oakland will trade them there. That’s why i dont think the Yamkees can fetch Gio or any pitcher better than Santana.
Why am I protracting this discussion?
Hmmmm….
Sorry, can’t create a good reason. Everything which needs to be said, has been said. Revlon can’t make enough lipstick to put on this pig.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 22, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
This
Plus, the Yankees wouldn’t give up that package for a player who only has two years of club control left.
The ONLY way the Rays pick up the phone is this offer:
Trout, Bourjos, Rickards, Conger and your Mom
by YouthofToday on Dec 22, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Wish someone would have crafted
such a prize when I first posted. Things are so much better now.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at First2Third.net
I think there's no excuse for misspelling any name on our 40 man roster
I don’t care about misspelling minor leaguers or other team’s players as much. Although it’s easy to spell any player’s name correctly with a quick Google search.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 22, 2011 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Also, nothing against Ervin's skillset
If the Yankees are going to trade a bushel of their best prospects it won’t be for Santana. They would likely try to target a Felix Hernandez-type. Since Steinbrenner died, they have been increasingly stingy with their prospects.
by stevefinleyallstars on Dec 22, 2011 7:34 AM PST up reply actions
I need something stronger
I’m going with Citrate of Amnesia, with an absinthe chaser.
Now is the winter of our deep content.
Only way Rays consider trading us Longoria is if they get Trout in return, amongst other guys
Longoria is young, a proven star, and has maybe the most friendly contract in baseball.
by stevefinleyallstars on Dec 22, 2011 7:11 AM PST reply actions
Or if they replace Friedman with Tony Reagins
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
We can always hold out hope red.
’Cuz TR would probably jump at the offer.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
one sentence and this happened
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 22, 2011 8:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
That actually looks hot...
Representing the Angels in Sin City.
by maze88 on Dec 22, 2011 11:16 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
yes
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 22, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You hurt my feelings by hating cats, wihalofan.
Really bad
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
they are useful
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
Damn
How much has TV censorship changed since Howard Stern went to satellite? Remember when the A Team used to shoot at the bad guy’s feet because blood was too much to deal with? Or how Cobra soldiers always parachuted out of the fiery explosion?
I expect FX or AMC to come out with a show about a transgendered priest who fights crime. But just as the audience is getting comfortable with him/her, a serial killer comes along and tortures him/her to death over the last five episodes of the season. All the teases and previews will make you believe he/she survives but the last shot of the season is a decapitated head with the credits rolling in front of it.
Hmmmm…………..What started out as a joke might be something worth watching…………. Anyone want to collaborate on a script?
Yeah, I'd definitely watch that.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
In 2003 the United States commenced operation Iraqi Freedom.
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Dec 22, 2011 9:28 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Question: How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Answer: A woodchuck would chuck all the wood he could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.
CJ Wilson is OUR douche now!
by ryanfea on Dec 22, 2011 9:44 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
banned
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 22, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
when does this get
a new title?
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Dec 22, 2011 10:47 AM PST reply actions
When this guy gets banned?
"Two-thirds of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Peter Bourjos" ~ markinca
by blast21dave on Dec 22, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Some Android wallpapers I made
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee415/matchosan/BigAweave.jpg
and the app is working great so far
Why would the Yankees give up that much for Santana?
And why would the Rays accept anything less than the number 1 prospect in a team’s system plus a couple of young MLB guys?
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
The off season can't be complete here
Without these awesome, made up, trade scenarios. I look forward to these every winter!
We're still gonna fly flags
by Sorbo182 on Dec 22, 2011 3:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I got an Idiot Jerkoff :(
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Dec 22, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Got the same
apparently I’ m not as big of an asshole as I’ve been told
"I was at a Del Taco, on the phone with Alex Anthopoulos, When the Drugs began to take hold…"
-- No Bologna Polonia
I got jackass. I was hoping for a higher score. :(
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 23, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Same here.
Many of my family, friends, and coworkers will be shocked.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Pretty accurate...
“Good Going Jackass. You probably make an ass of yourself in public on a regular basis by either acting like a dumbass or saying something that isn’t appropriate. You’ve probably burned a lot of bridges with your friends over some pretty fickly shit. Grow up jackass.”
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Dec 23, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
I'm a Douchbag
Worse than most of you. That makes me smile like a douchbag.
Let's start with Trout, Conger, Trumbo, Segura, and cash considerations...
I would love to have Longo on the team but his contract is perfect for the Rays and he is after all the best third baseman in the game. If the Angels were to look into getting a new third baseman I would look at Chase Headley. But I think the Angels need a solid left handed bat that could rotate around (not Abreu trade Abreu if at all possible.)
ok my mistake
maybe for ryan zimmerman.. minus santana
by letsgolal on Dec 23, 2011 12:59 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
<img src="http://fwww.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/donvkingqz2nc2.gif"/>
This is a sig.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 23, 2011 11:34 AM PST reply actions
Wow, what a stupid HTML glitch
This is a sig.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 23, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
For what it's worth
Pio Deportes has struck again saying that Longoria is unhappy about the Rays situation and would welcome a trade. Definitely interesting and even though its Pio its weird to see that Longoria would welcome a trade
that is possible
but the rays most certainly do not welcome a trade
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Dec 27, 2011 1:09 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly
No way they trade him and today Pio said the rays had begun fielding calls…dont know if he’s full of it or what
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Halos Heaven
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- Eric Hosmer redefines the Baltimore chop with infield double (Video)
- College player makes impossible over the fence catch to save tournament game (Video)
- Security!: Camden Yards guard collides with Royals’ Mike Moustakas
- The Juice: Nelson Cruz matches career high eight RBIs, Pujols stays hot in Seattle
- Benches clear at Fenway as Red Sox-Rays rivalry heats up
