Keith Law Smacks Down Comrade Lyle
The glorious exchange for your entertainment:
Law: Very, very slight preference for Mills, because we already know what Mathis is, but Mills still could improve enough to have value.
Comrade Lyle: @keithlaw Mathis is respected and valued only by every pitcher with whom he has worked. No analytics for that.
Law: And is terrible at everything that matters. RT @LyleMSpencer: Mathis is respected and valued only by every pitcher with whom he has worked.
Comrade Lyle: @keithlaw Mathis is respected and valued only by every pitcher with whom he has worked. No analytics for that.
Law: That's good, since Mathis doesn't help anyone win anything. RT @LyleMSpencer: @keithlaw Winning doesn't matter.
Comrade Lyle: @keithlaw Winning doesn't matter. Won 12 more than Napoli in exact number starts for four years together. Nap caught Lacker, Weaver more
Law: @LyleMSpencer CERA was demonstrated at least ten years ago to have no utility in evaluating catchers. None.
Comrade Lyle: Catching same staff, Mathis had CERA .88 -- almost a full run -- better than Napoli for four years. Won 59% of games he started.
Law: @LyleMSpencer Besides, you said there were "no analytics" for what Mathis gives, then you quote CERA. Which is it?
Comrade Lyle: Numbers guys hate Jeff Mathis. Teammates love him. I think Mathis will settle for that tradeoff.#angels
Comrade Lyle: CERA is of definite value when evaluating catchers handling the same pitchers over a number of years. I don't care what your crowd says.
Comrade Lyle: @keithlaw Love analytics. Still have my Bill James Baseball Abstracts from '80s. Neyer, Dewan, James have Mathis 1-2-2 among def. Cs.
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Law then ignores the ramblings of a blathering idiot trained in the propaganda tactics of the Soviet Union and tweets about food.
Seriously though, this exchange summarizes how ridiculous Comrade Lyle Spencer is.
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Law is an arrogant a-hole, but I've always respected his baseball acumen
and his schooling of Lyle here is nothing short of priceless.
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Dec 3, 2011 12:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Keith Law to Comrade Spencer
I couldn't come up with anything witty. Damn it.
by GutterDem0n on Dec 3, 2011 12:06 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Once again, there's an XKCD for that
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
I wish i had a nickel for every time you posted this!
;)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 4, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry... XKCD rocks... what can I say?
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Halowood/Scotty Allen sighting
funny… BigGame48 just mentioned issues with his Halowood just recently.
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 3, 2011 12:14 PM PST reply actions
WOW!!
Law: That’s good, since Mathis doesn’t help anyone win anything. RT @LyleMSpencer: @keithlaw Winning doesn’t matter.
Can’t tell if Spencer is a blockhead or one of the adults in Peanuts. Winning doesn’t matter when you are in a rec league or a kid. People get fired / leave (Terry Francona) because they don’t win.
I agree with Law's side of the argument
But looking as a neutral observer at their rhetoric , I’d call it a draw.
by Rock Island Line on Dec 3, 2011 1:44 PM PST reply actions
Really?
Bernie Williams has the most postseason RBIs in MLB history. Does this make him one of the best players of all time since it’s all about winning championships?
Only a Stalinesque distortion of statistics gives Lyle’s ludicrous arguments merit. Considering Comrade Lyle graduated from a Soviet school of journalism this is quite fitting.
by YouthofToday on Dec 3, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Really
Not sure what Bernie Williams, RBIs or championships have to do with this particular argument, but what I read in the exchange is a couple of people making equally unsupported and for the most part inarticulate claims and retorts. I’m with you that Spenser is a fool, but sorry, I just don’t see the zingers you’re attributing to Law.
by Rock Island Line on Dec 3, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Dear Lyle
If you’re going to make a career out of sniffing jocks, pick the right jock to sniff.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Seriously, Lyle can learn a thing or 2 from the Angels FO
Suck up to Jeter or something.
Representing the Angels in Sin City.
by maze88 on Dec 3, 2011 2:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Lyle's Mathis love
is a direct reflection his Scioscia asslicking. Ex-Dodger manager knows better than anyone, blind following, string assertion with smoke and mirrors. Smoke dissipates, mirrors cannot hold up to analysis.
I don't really like Keith Law
But I really enjoyed reading that exchange.
Lyle is such a buffoon..
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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I never used to like Keith Law, but
Recently I’ve come to appreciate the job he does for ESPN. In a world full of Lyle Spencer’s, Keith Law is a voice of logic and reason.
"Law then ignores the ramblings of a blathering idiot trained in the propaganda tactics of the Soviet Union and tweets about food."
And he continued with me, among others:
Comrade Lyle: Catching same staff, Mathis had CERA .88 — almost a full run — better than Napoli for four years. Won 59% of games he started.
@LyleMSpencer So, now you’re a stats guy? Or only when the cherrypicking supports your argument? #CERA #CERAisFLAWED #Mathisisaniceguy
@13Stoploss Only stat that matters is Angels won more often with Mathis catching than anyone else.
@LyleMSpencer re: CERA, NM Mathis’ demotion and that other C who caught a LOT of bad innings by Palmer/Kazmir/SOS/Pineiro/Bell #inflatedCERA
truegrich
@LyleMSpencer as if Mathis was the difference… Let’s be real
@13Stoploss @truegrich Comparative numbers on a team are fair, yes. Actually I was off. It’s .576 with Mathis, .554 with everyone else.
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I like this guy more every day
@keithlaw you’re at hero at Halos Heaven today for your, ah, “discussion” with Mathis sympathizer Lyle Spencer today. We all thank you.
@JonLeard you’re all welcome – thanks for the support. congratulations on the end of your nightmare
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
by Kernel on Dec 3, 2011 4:40 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
lol @ congratulations on the end of your nightmare
epic
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Then Spencer goes on to compare catchers winning percentages.
by Halos in DE on Dec 3, 2011 5:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Dude is asinine
I am now beginning to wonder whether there was any horseplay in the Angels locker room between Spencer and Mathis…
by Big Easy Halofan on Dec 4, 2011 9:55 AM PST reply actions
This isn't a small college town in central PA, bro.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 4, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
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