Pujols, A-Rod and Marketing the Angels in Los Angeles...
by jimmuscomp on Dec 8, 2011 1:11 PM PST
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PrintI began using the internet in 1995 - as an undergraduate student in music. Like many, I was using AOL as my ISP at that time and I barely understood the real internet. However, what I did understand was that AOL delivered pretty advanced baseball information to me within a few, well placed clicks.
Within a short amount of time I had found a plethora of message boards on AOL that fed my desire for information about the Angels. It was stunning, really. I could read about a spring training battle between William Van Landingham and Omar Olivares for the 5th spot in the starting rotation. I could bond with fellow posters about the debut of Troy Glaus. I could opine about the amazing quality of Darin Erstad in 2000. And how big a pile of crap Erstad was in 2001.
It was there, in 1997, that I wrote a long post about which young west coast 3rd baseman would be the best bet going forward: Troy Glaus, Adrian Beltre or Eric Chavez and I learned about on-base percentage and how it completely usurped batting average as a useful measure of hitter value. It was there that I learned why it could prove to be important for pitchers to have high K/9 rates and low WHIP rates.
It was there where I was first introduced to advanced thinking and eventually some advanced stats. There were some amazing writers on those boards - Bads85 (still visible on BBTF), HalosWin (my online-writing mentor) and many others. Basically, it was Halos Heaven before there was Halos Heaven.
Well, how does this relate to the 2012 Halos with Albert Pujols, you say? Well, keep reading...
It was in 1998 or so (I think this was before the Mo Vaughn signing) when my friend HalosWin mentioned something that I had completely overlooked. He said this: "I can see Disney going all in for Alex Rodriguez in 2001. Think about it, a young Latino star in Orange County. He fills a position where there is no one blocking him (Gary DiSarcina - essentially a nobody) and the marketing potential alone is staggering for a well-oiled machine like Disney."
This completely blew my mind. I had never thought of that in 1999 - but it made way too much sense. Disney didn't spend willy-nilly, but it seems like if you are going to break the bank on a guy - it's a generational talent like A-Rod circa 1999, or in this case Prince Albert circa 2011. It took 12 years longer than my buddy Chance thought, but he ends up being very, very right.
I personally have very little idea about how to market a MLB team, but Arte undoubtedly has guys - himself included - that understand this very, very well. There is an opportunity here that is not often seen. Albert Pujols is a once in a lifetime talent who fits your target demographic perfectly. He is, by all accounts, a great guy and he is being paid to not only produce on the field, but sell baseball to the local population in a way that no other player for the Halos has been able to since Reggie Jackson.
If this Fox TV deal is for real - we are getting an unprecedented look into the way this all works, and it shows me that our owner is more savvy than I imagined. It also shows me that Jerry Dipoto is a convincing communicator and seems to understand that there are certain players that help pay for their own contracts. That is not typical. Vernon Wells isn't that guy; but Albert Pujols may be that guy. Pujols is a once in a lifetime player, and while I think he is too old for a 10 year contract, I am not going to complain about the signing because chances are it just paid for itself (and V-Dub's asinine contract too) with increased revenue.
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I wouldn't say it took 12 years
Vlad’s signing was pretty close to what you describe. A young Latino star who was in his prime. I have no idea what benefit the Angels reaped from Vlad in terms of extra dollars contributed, but the success on the field was pretty good, the lack of World Championships notwithstanding. In fact, around that time the Angels were being criticized for targeting ONLY Latinos (Vlad, Colon, Escobar, etc.).
But the bottom line is, regardless of nationality or background, nothing makes the marketing department’s job easier than winning.
Winning is winning
As a Lakers fan, I didn’t root for them because Jerry West was white, or not root for them because Magic Johnson or Kobe Bryant were black – I root for them because they win.
With few exceptions, I think most fans want a winner and Albert is one of the best players to have ever played the game. He certainly doesn’t have a ton of charisma, but he has a world of talent, and I think that can be marketed.
And Arte has a challenge because the Angels have always been the also ran in the SoCal market, along with the Bruins and the Clippers. But ’02 put us on the map, and I think the additions of Albert and C.J. next year are going to make us major players for years to come. As you said, nothing beats winning.
UCLA has not "always been" the also ran
Just want to clarify that.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Seriously
Ever heard of college basketball?
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 8, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Or any other sport than football
UCLA>>USC at anything else (including academics).
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
None combined matter more than football.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
oops
didn’t finish….as for academics, i won’t argue as i think both schools get you a great education. and i think a lot of current and former athletes will argue with you about who’s really better in those other sports. ;)
NCAA Champs:
UCLA – 107
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USC – 94
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
and congrats on the ncaa achievement
we do have 116 with 94 being of the ncaa variety….and includes one this past Sunday. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USC_Trojans
it’s all good bro…this market is fortunate to have both schools.
It'll be nice when there is finally an official NCAA football championship
And not this BCS nonsense. But the only “also ran” in LA is the Clippers. It’s better when both USC and UCLA are good—healthy competition makes both schools better, in all areas.
We have Blake Griffin now
I was going to defend UCLA, then you insulted the Clippers.
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
I would love to see the Clippers do well
I’ve been a Lakers fan all my life, but I’m tired of the same bandwagon that comes rolling around every May for the Lakers. I hate these people, and I think the Clippers should share some of that.
Letters, Arts and Sciences, okay
But don’t overstate the case. USC School of Music pwns whatever UCLA has to offer in that department. And let’s not forget the Engineering school too.
Wake me when pitchers and catchers report.
by rspencer on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Engineering schools are pretty close in the rankings
But yes, for film and music USC is the best option in LA.
"I root for them because they win."
bandwagon alert
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
Good point on Vlad...
This does, to me, seem to be in a different league than Vlad, though. Partly because of Vlad being an Expo first – he didn’t have quite the mystique coming here than Pujols does. Pujols is pretty much the most well-known baseball player in MLB right now, right?
This is bigger opportunity for Arte and the marketing department, methinks. But, winning is the answer, no doubt.
How does this team win with this offense? Hey, anyone....DRAW A WALK!!!
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
Vlad was pretty close to this...
Vlad is not as good as Pujols. But he’s a HOF player in his own right. The Angels came out of nowhere in 2004 to grab him. We went to the meetings that year talking about getting some small pieces and one phone call to Arte got us one of the best players in baseball at the time. Remember Vlad went out and won the MVP that very next year. He was a special talent just like Pujols is, and Arte knows there are exceptions to budgets when talents like that are available.
by Nashdiesel on Dec 8, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not close.
Vlad = Richie Ashburn HOFer
Albert = Ted Williams type of super HOFer if he stays healthy 3 or 4 more seasons.
Tim Salmon + Yankee cap = HOF.
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 8, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Right.
This is my point. Vladimir was amazing, but not in the same strata as Albert.
His fame is much, much greater. The average person on the street knows Pujols. Vladimir wasn’t that way, methinks.
How does this team win with this offense? Hey, anyone....DRAW A WALK!!!
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
by jimmuscomp on Dec 8, 2011 4:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Vlad was more exciting to us baseball nerds
We all knew he was better than most players more well-known than him at the time – Sosa, Thome, Delgado, etc. The fact that it came out of nowhere, that the contract was so reasonable (basically what Wilson just agreed to), really played into the overall excitement. We swooped in a stole the best hitter on the market. With Pujols, we bought and paid for him.
As you said, Albert is certainly in his own league in terms of ability and marketability, so I won’t complain about the price. Unless he falls off a cliff in the next few years, this is that rare mega deal that should pay for itself.
A Richie Ashburn comp is not really fair to Vlad
Vladdy is 5th all-time in Intentional Walks, has a .931 career OPS, and will go down in baseball history as having one of the most fearsome arms in right field. I get what your saying, Pujols>Vlad, but Vladdy wipes the floor with Richie Ashburn and Jim Rice too.
Why is Rice in the Hall of Fame again?
And why do people insist on comparing Vlad to Rice?
Vlad was a beast. Did JIm rice ever hit a ball that had BOUNCED first???
I agree
as far as players go, Vlad’s better. i was thinking more in terms of being iconic. Phillie fans still love Ashburn, as many of us will continue to revere the mighty Vlad for years to come, but there won’t be kids rooting for the Indians who automatically think “Vlad” when they think of greatest players of the 2000s. They will do so with Pujols.
Tim Salmon + Yankee cap = HOF.
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 9, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
That's a good point
In terms of popularity, Ashburn’s endearment to Philadelphia fans could be equal to that of Vlad’s with Angels fans. Duke Snider was not as iconic as Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle, but he is a Hall of Famer no less. The Duke and Vlad are probably the closest comparison in terms of popularity and production.
Sometimes branding isn't measured in dollars $$
Arte wants to build the Angels into a modern “classic” franchise. His goals are big picture, not immediate payoff.
Mercedes, Apple, Coca-Cola…brand prestige wasn’t built overnight. Arte wants the general public (and players) to perceive the Angels as a pretigious place to play. He wants the Angels business card to mean something
RIP Nick Adenhart
Pujols presents many intangibles that A-Rod never could.
All my life I have heard the greats associated with Boston and New York in their long and illustrious history. Now we have a chance to make a legacy with Albert Pujols. In 50 years, when people talk about Albert Pujols, they will be talking about him in connection with the Angels.
AND if he sets HR records or reaches 3,000 hits, you’ll forever see those replays while he was in an Angels uniform. He may, and probably will, go into the Hall of Fame as a Cardinal, but he will be an Angel when he hits those milestones, and no one can discredit the value in that. As Mastercard would put it, that’s “priceless”.
by moralesforpresident on Dec 8, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
You're probably right about Albert going in HOF as a Cardinal...
But Nolan Ryan should have gone in as an Angel. Who know, if he wins three of four WS here, maybe he will don the Halo colors in the HOF. We can dare to dream.
That's because Pujols isn't a douche
A-Rod is the personification of a “me-guy”
He says the wrong things (Him vs. Jeter reference)
He does the wrong things: (’roids, Madonna, etc.)
You love to hate A-Rod.
Pujols is a a lovable guy. He says the right things, he does the right things.
In terms of marketing value, he’s like Vlad – except that he speaks fluent, conversational English (and his mom isn’t as good of a cook).
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
Pujols doesn't get photographed kissing himself in the mirror....
Gay? Psycho? Sad?Narcissist? Weird psi fi future strange gay clone make out porn?
Tim Salmon + Yankee cap = HOF.
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 8, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
hey remember this
And I promise you – the next guy they get will be worse. If he/she isn’t, I’ll YouTube myself standing next to the statue of The Cowboy singing "Back in the Saddle"
so when are we gonna see this
He might be great with the Angels
…but he he was signed and developed as a Cardinal, won ROY, multiple MVPs, a couple World Series titles, and has played with them for his first eleven seasons, all during his peak years. It’ll be tough for him to ever eclipse his Cardinal accomplishments. I still always thought of Ken Griffey, Jr. as a Mariner, but on the other hand I now think of A-Rod more as a Yankee since he had great years for both teams and has already played more games for the Yankees than any of his other teams. It won’t even be close by the time he retires.
Let’s put it this way. Angels fans should be quite happy if it’s a tough choice as to which cap Pujols wears when he goes into the Hall. That means he had one hell of a run with the Angels!
Of course, this simply highlights the nonsense of “which cap” a player gets when he goes into the HOF. Catfish Hunter did it the right way. His plaque has a generic cap, and the writing honors both of his teams, the A’s and the Yankees. The HOF may want to think about doing this for all players who play on multiple teams moving forward.
Exactly
Angels fans should be quite happy if it’s a tough choice as to which cap Pujols wears when he goes into the Hall.
He’ll go in the hall a Cardinal, no doubt. I hope doing DH duties will help him stay healthy enough to put up some good numbers for the majority of the contract.
Yeah, if he is able to stay productive for 7 of the years, this should be a win.
We will see.
How does this team win with this offense? Hey, anyone....DRAW A WALK!!!
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
best trade EVER
if you can just let your imagination go for just a moment. what a great trade the angels made #5 Mathis for #5 Pujols CMON MAN no one can complain about that
Definitely the greatest jersey number production spike ever, no?
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 8, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I love that ESPN Radio's big bash on the Angels
Is that Pujols is no longer the guy who goes out and drives in 100 as evidenced by last year, roughly.
Um hey assholes—99 is not that far off for a down year…
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
It's true though
and RBIs are the best indicator of player value.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Is that sarcasm?
Barring a home run, that stat is completely dependent on the players before you. In no way is that the best indicator of a player’s value.
by elchicodelgado on Dec 8, 2011 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
I figured
But I don’t know the members here and there’s always one on each board that believes things such as that.
by elchicodelgado on Dec 8, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
cause he saw 4000 games
"How much more could you possibly need? I never played this game for money purposes, I played it for love and for championships."
---Jered Weaver.
Yeah and I guess broken wrists don't matter.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at First2Third.net
Yeah, really
He got off to a slow start, probably influenced by all the nonsense around his contract and no dbout pressing, and then he breaks his wrist and was supposed to be out a couple of months and then is back in a few weeks, hitting better than ever. If nothing else, the man has amazing healing abilities.
He’ll definately hit a decline phase in a few years, but I’d expect a strong bounce back in 2012 off his 2011 numbers, when he was still one of the top two firstbasemen in the game.
Reminds me of when we signed Torii right after blowing it with Matthews
Vernon —→ BIG AL
RIP Nick Adenhart
This deal could make the Angels THE SoCal team
Tradition doesn’t last like it used to and for the last 10 years, the Angels have been the model franchise. This just solidifies it. If he can hook the kids that are 10-20 years old now, they will be dollars in his pocket when they hit the workforce.
Moreno is looking at a potential 20 year window of dominating the SoCal baseball scene.
Winning 2 or 3 WS titles in the next 10 years with Albert will make the Halos THE SoCal Team
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 9, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
What?
I personally have very little idea about how to market a MLB team, but Arte undoubtedly has guys – himself included – that understand this very, very well.
They may seem to understand now but they sure as hell didn’t get it last season! The Wells, Big Splash signing was a marketing disaster capped off by the final series with the Rangers’ Mike Napoli hitting homeruns all over the stadium.
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
I think that's where Dipoto should get a lot of credit
He’s only been on the job exactly 40 days & the changes in that time span have been nothing short of mind blowing.
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Dec 8, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
oh my god
Can you imagine if he moved Wells? Even next winter?
by Halowitz on Dec 8, 2011 4:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wells is the only thing kind of holding this team back
think about it… no Wells = Mike Trout in LF for 2011. That would’ve been amazing
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Dec 10, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Pujols is an Annual All Star.
He is likely to get voted in to the game, something that rarely happens for angels players. Pujols changes the entire team.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 8, 2011 4:10 PM PST reply actions
Which is going to make the whole Tex = Yankee = Automatic All-Star pretty interesting going forward, no? (hee hee...)
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
I LOVE nostalgic early Internet stories. What a cool time that was.
Underplayed thus far is the stellar marketability of having Weaver, Haren and Wilson all three so-cal guys leading the charge. That is going to be a fun campaign to watch. The freeway series are going to be so sweet.
by Halowitz on Dec 8, 2011 4:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions
a PLETHORA of message boards?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Can I have your watch when you are dead?
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Anyone interested ought to vote on their poll for who the best team in the west now is
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 8, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
I was the tie breaker!
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Dec 8, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Hey remember when we signed Pujols?
That was awesome.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Dec 8, 2011 4:38 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I thought the marlins were out on CJ Wilson?
Mathis is finally gone. Only good things can happen now.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Dec 8, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Erstad never sucked
Just sayin
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by adirondackorangefan on Dec 8, 2011 7:38 PM PST reply actions
Yes, yes he did.
Just sayin’.
1999 and 2001 particularly.
His great “D” helps him a lot, but he fell off a cliff in 2001 for no apparent reason. Stopped drawing walks, stopped hitting for power, etc. He was an offensive liability for many years after 2000.
How does this team win with this offense? Hey, anyone....DRAW A WALK!!!
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
If any player has ever been more than the sum of his stats
that player is Erstad.
Wake me when pitchers and catchers report.
by rspencer on Dec 8, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That may be true
But did he really have to bat second when those stats weren’t equalling the sum of their parts? I would think he would have been equally as affective leading from the seventh spot in the order.
Yeah, this point is spot on...
but he STILL wasn’t worth the salary he received.
I think my main gripe with Erstad was that he was producing damn near no offensive value while making about $8 million per year. If he would have been making $2 million per year for all that veteran-y goodness I wouldn’t have cared so much. But he was making about 10% of the team salary.
That status requires more than grit and mojo. He should have hit a little too.
How does this team win with this offense? Hey, anyone....DRAW A WALK!!!
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
by jimmuscomp on Dec 9, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Vlad signing was a little different
He had missed significant time the previous year with a back injury that slowed his production a bit. Free spending teams were hesitant to sign him. And I remember the criticism of signing so many latinos. The TV side-story seems more relevant and worth more now than it did then given how much other teams are making on TV deals (Texas last year, eg) I’m sure Arte has done the math to make sure this all pays for itself. The new asking price to Fox just went from $1.2bilion to $1.5billion. Or they join the Laker network.
I spoke to my season ticket rep about 2 hours ago.
He said he knew it was going to get crazy for the (the season tix sales team) as soon as the news broke but that the response has by far exceeded his expectations. The dominos have already begun to drop.
Life is short, enjoy the ride.
Yup
I went to the team store earlier today, it was pretty hectic out there.
west!
I'm going to officially be "that guy" on HH
I think it is good that Arte is trying to make us THE Socal team but I worry that in doing so, we will attract all of the trashy fans that make up part of the Dodgers fanbase. Does anyone else see this?
Most of us that have been Angels fans from long ago have seen the ups and downs, and there is nothing I would like more than to see another 2002, but this marketing to become the biggest in LA kind of scares me. I don’t want us to become the next Dodgers.
If we gain a bunch of these fair weather or ghetto fans that are leaving the dying Dodgers, the Angels are probably going to lose alot of their dedicated fans.
Were sure to attract more bandwagon fans.
And as long as they’re spending their dough on Angels merchandise, or watching FSW, I could care less. As for the ghetto folk, I seriously doubt that signing Pujols would put them in our camp. I mean, sure they might be thugs, but the Doyers and Raiders will always have a special place in their hearts.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
It's not Pujols that bothers me
Pujols was a great addition (although I think he will be using a walker in ten years). It is the marketing to Los Angeles that makes me worry about the Angels. You wanna be Raider-Nation version 2.0??
I just don't see that happening.
When you see some cholo’s and thugs sporting Raider, Doyers, Cowboys, etc. gear, they’re wearing it for the team colors, they’re not showing their support. I mean, i’ve seen alot of Kings jersey’s in East Los, I doubt the people there are that into hockey.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
I certainly hope youre right
If the Angels become even more popular, I am happy. Here’s hoping we get to a WS this upcoming season
I'm worried about the Angels version of the Pink Hat Brigade.
We must use the awesome power of Pujols for good and not evil.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
At least Dodger fans back you up
Belligerent Yankee and Red Sox fans show up to the Big A and pretty much own the joint because there are way too many timid and “respectful” Angels fans. The fanbase could use a little shot in the arm in terms of intensity and colorfulness, which Dodgers fans have in spades. Not every Dodgers fan is a gangbanger and if they are, they would never switch to the Angels, you know why? The color red. We are in Southern California and most cholos wear blue. Don’t worry, you won’t see many gang members going beyond the Orange Curtain to be Angels fans.
Personally, I've never seen the corrolation between being a "good fan" and being a loud jackass.
The easiest way to keep them being heard is to not sell your seats to them. Unfortunately, a lot of people use that as a way to make up the money they spent on the season tickets in the first place, which means a lot more obnoxious Red Sox and Yankee fans in the stands.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Dec 14, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Opinions differ
A simple “let’s go Angels” or “Boston/Yankees suck” chant doesn’t constitute being a jackass in my opinion. For me at least, being loud and cheering on your ball club is part of the experience when going to the stadium. I see nothing wrong with a little bantering between opposing fans.
I also don’t need a scoreboard or a monkey to tell me when to cheer and when to stay quiet. If I wanted to watch a ballgame in silence, I would stay home.
They can't "represent" in angels gear.
Dont fret.
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Dec 10, 2011 7:51 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
SoCal is a Lifestyle. Go Local. Market the Locals.
Orange County has a more laidback surf image than LA’s movie star image. The amount of amazing big league ball players from the SoCal area should be who the Halos go after and market to. Go Local! Look at our starting 3. They all love being close to home. That is the market. Obviously you go after the best available talent regardless of where they are from (Latin America, Florida,…..) but our selling point is SoCal.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
When you think of New York, you think of Yankees.
When you think of Boston, you think of Red Rox.
When you think of Dallas, you think of Cowboys.
When you think of Los Angeles, you think of ANGELS!
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
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