How the Pujols Deal Went Down. Fascinating!
A play by play on how the deal went down. What I found most interesting was this quote here:
Moreno, who watched the Angels fall short in recent years trying to lure free agents Carl Crawford, Mark Teixeira, Adrian Beltre and CC Sabathia, took the reins. He made two impassioned calls to Pujols. He told Pujols that they planned to also sign Wilson. They weren't going to stop being aggressive in the market until they won a World Series championship, their first since 2002 and first under Moren0.
This was all Arte.
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It was Arte who was the Ninja after all!
Your Angels: Telling Pythagoras to go to hell since 2004.
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2011 6:47 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
hearing rumors that we might trade trumbo or morales for bailey???
anyone heard anything?
I thought that...
The JeDi had said that they were not going to be trading either.
I have lots of secret weapons! -- Voodoo
of course he's going to say that
why lose leverage in discussions by making others think that you’re trying to get rid of someone?
if you tell everyone that you’re willing to keep everyone, it makes teams have to offer more
by ZiK on Dec 8, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Hell, at this point "Fielder to Angels" also sounds legit.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 8, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
That would be awesome
But I doubt the A’s want Trumbo.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Dec 9, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
I see that the FO reaction to actually signing him was the same as ours...
“Is this for real?”
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
This was all Arte sounds a hell of a lot better than this is all Boras.
Let’s start that meme.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Just amazing...
…we really did swoop in at the last minute! I wonder which was the mystery team? Cubs? Yanks? Sux?
The mystery team had a first baseman they would have to move
Also Cashman said he was called by Pujols camp and “politely” declined to get involved in the bidding.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
JeDi really is a hard-worker, isn't he?
He was basically working two deals with the two biggest FAs in a span of around 5 hours!
Such a refreshing change from the previous regime!
Sorry guys, been stuck at work all day on a day it took me away from my compuer?
Just one question:
Who the (french connection united kingdom) is Albert Pujols?
This is a sig.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 8, 2011 7:04 PM PST reply actions
DOES ANYONE ELSE REMEMEBER
when ARod’s wife got lynched by the media for wearing a FCUK shirt to a game, thinking it said FUCK YOU and ARod was like… uh… sorry?
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
So what's the moon like?
If we signed either Pujols or Fielder
I would literally shit lava so hard it would propel me to the moon where I would take tequila shots out God’s belly button as we brofist the night away.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit….
by PhiSlamma on Dec 1, 2011 3:39 PM PST
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 8, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I think CommNate is still waiting for some reconciliation on this.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
Oh we got our answer
Here it is for those who missed out.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2011 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
Albert Pool Balls
Is what Siri came up with when I was trying to send a text.
This is the fourth best day of my Angel fandom career-
1. Winning the Series.
2. Game 6, 2002.
3. Seeing the first pennant win in ‘79. Carew shovels the ball to Tanana to nail Porter, and the stadium erupts in sound.
4. Checking the screen and seeing a double score of the biggest free agents in years. How cool is that- I’m kind of stunned, with a really dumb grin on my face even now.
..."Archangel", to you and me.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
by Stirrups on Dec 8, 2011 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This was all Arte.
Representing the Angels in Sin City.
by maze88 on Dec 8, 2011 7:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I think Reagins was the "mystery negotiator."
Signed,
the big tizzle
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 8, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Where is the big tizzle?
I haven’t seen him post lately? He was VW’s biggest apologist last season, wonder why he didn’t stick around.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Jerry arrived on time and stayed away from the buffet.
Some credit needs to go to our new gm #lowstandards
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
How often can this be said of a player moving to Anaheim?
“Pujols should also benefit from moving from Busch Stadium to Angels Stadium. " —ESPN
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Angels tugging at alberts heart...
Seems like arte just needed to moneywhip the shit out of him and include the no trade. Epic signing but albert pulled a lackey.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
As long as he pulls Lackey down the line, I'm cool with it.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Lackey might be joining kaz in the mexican beer league if he doesnt get his shit together
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
The Mystery Team
It will be interesting to see how long it takes the mystery to be revealed.
I would figure the Cubs, possibly the Rangers or Orioles.
Ha!
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
The Cubs offered a contract, but not "at that level", according to Hyman.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
I read the mystery team had a first baseman they had to move
Also the Cubs were reported to have bid but wouldn’t go ten.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
Reagins just now arriving
At the winter meetings
by aybars chew on Dec 8, 2011 8:43 PM PST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
He must be so confused.
And he went to the trouble of getting coffee and tacos for Dipoto too :(
Additional Insight
Wilson sat down with the MLB Network crew this afternoon to talk about his deal. Since the negotiations apparently were taking place simultaneously, they actually told Wilson they were making a major deal and so there was a firm, finite budget for his offer.
It sounded like Wilson agreed before Pujols, but his deal was announced second.
Doesn't matter the order of the signings
Pujols had the higher Elias ranking, and that’s all that mattered. If Wilson had signed first, the Rangers were still getting the lesser pick.
This is a sig.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 8, 2011 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, really?
I didn’t know that Elias rankings were broken down even among class A, B, etc.
Thanks for the info!
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Wow. Amazing.
bq.The Angels have agreed to a new deal with Fox Sports worth at least $3 billion and expected to cover 20 years, two parties familiar with the deal said Thursday. The parties declined to be identified because the deal has yet to be officially announced.
MONIES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZHCVyllnck
This is a sig.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 8, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
Great day.
150 million dollars a year on TV. Pujols already paying dividends already making contract worth it.
Mathis is finally gone. Only good things can happen now.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Dec 8, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Since I attended my first Angels game as a child in 1977. . . .
I have been waiting for the Angels to go head to head for regional popularity with the Duhdgers. I have been waiting for them to act like they were smack dab in America’s second largest media market and worth something for having rights in that lucrative territory. I was waiting for Gene Autry, Disney, somebody, to step up as an owner and act like the Angels were a big market team—and not in the TR way of being a stupid big market team like the Cubs.
Finally. Finally. Finally!!!!!
Thanks Mr. Moreno and Mr. Dipoto. It’s nice to see championship level front office action rather than world class excuse making. Now, let’s not continue to have 2002 look like a fluke.
Roses Ain't Orange!
All that happened in 2004
The Angels signed Colon and Esobar, two of the top FA pitchers. Then Arte announced the Brinks Truck has left the building. Then out of nowhere they sign the superstar Vlad Guerrero, when everyone expected he was going to sign with the Dodgers. Now that was the sign the Angels had arrived.
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
That was then, this is different. Much different.
This day was not only about hoisting a middle finger at Tejas, it was throwing the other one up at the carpetbagging Duhghers. These signings are about Arte finally getting deadly serious about hardware and owning America’s #2 media market against the rudderless club in Chavez Ravine. This is a bold play to capture an entire generation of young fans away from that stupid NL club up the freeway with the Hollywood box seats along third.
If all of this pans out like it could, December 8, 2011 will be the date the Angels’ ascension from second fiddle in LA—to an enduring place in the big market elite—is marked from.
Ah Look! My California Angels are now all grown up!
Sweet
Now get us some real announcers.
I was surprised to read that the Angels had the second-lowest local television ratings among major league teams last year.
With the MLB package, I find myself often listening to the other teams announcers because ours are lacking.
That has nothing to do with announcers
Rojas is good. Gubicza does need to go, but he’s not the one keeping people away. It’s simply a matter of the area. I can pretty much guarantee those ratings will go up, though.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Dec 9, 2011 12:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know about that
I have ‘friends’ who watch the Dodgers cause of Scully.
The ratings are misleading.
The Angels had a lower PERCENTAGE of local viewers than most teams, but their actual viewership was considerably higher. Also, add to the 60,000 households (3 per household, I believe) watching the Angels the 280,000 or so who were listening on the radio and you actually get over 400,000 people tuning into Angels games every night. That’s not too shabby at all.
gotcha. thanks for clarification
I didn’t realize they were cherry picking the terminology to drive a point. % of market doesn’t mean crap, what matters is total viewers.
I thought it seemed strange that we would be so low relative to some small markets without a lot of people.
MMP
You should Fan shot that.
Mathis is finally gone. Only good things can happen now.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, this news is just as huge!
Bye bye payroll constraints. $150 mil a year? That almost covers the entire payroll by itself, which means we shouldn’t be seeing any ticket price hikes.
Arte’s a hell of a business man.
This should definitely be a Fan Shot.
F*ck the Yankees.
Were the Angels. The team that landed that elusive “Big Splash.” Deal with it bitches!
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
We are soo fucking lucky to have Arte, no joke!
I’m still numb… I can’t believe this! I don’t know how people can be critical of this contract. He was going to sign 9-10 years somewhere.. Why question the last three years of the contract now?…. On a side note, i’m in such disbelief.. I refuse to believe this is true, until they’re physical is passes and they’re signatures are on print!!!!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Dec 8, 2011 9:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Edgar Martinez was a very effective hitter into his 40s as a DH
It’s not as if the same cannot happen for Pujols and the Angels down the road.
Astros pitching is on the way to lend a hand too.
Ah Look! My California Angels are now all grown up!
by Canard on Dec 8, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
They're critical because their team didn't get him.
If any player will be productive at age 40, it is Albert Pujols.
Guys do you remember earlier today
WHEN WE SIGNED ALBERT F$%&^ING PUJOLS!
I have been smiling all day.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
Techically, we signed someone by the name of
Jose Alcántara.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pujols
Ever heard of him?
2011 WS Champs calling it now. 7/29/10
by AnaheimHalos61 on Dec 8, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
It's the Spanish naming customs.
His full name is Jose Alberto Pujols Alcantara. Pujols is his father’s last name, Alcantara is his mothers.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
I heard the Mystery team offered 10/250
the team had a established first baseman who is owed alot of money
what team could that be?
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
The Coney Island Mud Hens?
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
I've been scratching my head figuring it out
and I got nothing.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
Yankees
Tigers, Reds, Twins, Phillies, White Sox, Rockies are all possible, I suppose. My guess would be the White Sox.
it has to be a big market team
and i guess they would have traded there 1b once he was signed
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
If that's true Kenny Williams is a Grade A moron.
They need to rebuild.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
Apparently the Marlins offered 10 years 275 million
But they would not budge on no trade clause. So money was not the only factor.
Mathis is finally gone. Only good things can happen now.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Dec 8, 2011 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
Do you know who their first baseman is?
I doubt that they want to trade Justin Smoak and that they have that kind of money.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Of Those
White Sox and Rockies seem the most likely. Konerko is owed $25 million, while Colorado is on the hook for $10M to Helton. The Reds make no sense because they also have Alonso. The Twins still owe $28 million to Morneau, but I cannot believe they have the budget to take on Pujols. Tigers…OK, yeah, I could see that.
Phillies perhaps?
Ryan howard is expensive….
ryan howard...
is a good theory, (makes sense if the phillies couldn’t find a trade partner with an injured ryan howard)
reds have votto and alonzo, so they’d have to look to move 2 players, almost like us…
i still have this feeling that it could’ve been the tigers…with all the off-field problems with miggy..
by thenextlevel on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
heard a national writer on the radio
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
same feeling here
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
bob nightinggale
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
Finally, we signed someone huge!
I still can’t believe this!! … I can’t!!! I FUCKING LOVE YOU ARTE!!!!! THANK U!!!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Red Sox
I heard would trade A Gon to Cubs if they had signed Pujols
by CaptainCarlos on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions
One of the guys (I think was Rosenthal) theorized that the Red Sox might be the "secret" bidder, flipping AGonz for Marlins' HRam.
The guys were just bantering, speculating.
Both the Marlins and the Red Sox
Win in that deal.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at First2Third.net
Hard to believe
They just traded for and signed Gonzales a year ago.
by Brody on Dec 9, 2011 1:02 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I would rather have A Gon and his contract than Pujols and his contract
Don’t get me wrong, I’m stocked on Pujols.
But Agon is making ~$21M/year for ages 28-35 while Pujols is making $25M/year for ages 32-41.
I would rather have Pujols.
If the owner is willing to spend 4 million more a year (which he wouldn’t necessarily spend on another player, or an upgrade at another position) then you ALWAYS want the better player.
In the Am League Pujols can play DH at the end of his career if he can’t play 1B.
AGon is no where near as good as Pujols, and nowhere near the marketing coup.
In the long run men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, though they should fail immediately, they had better aim at something high.
Walden
by matthiasstephan on Dec 10, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
Most likely the Sux
A-Gon would have been dealt to the Marlins for Hanley Ramirez or A-Gon to the Cubs for Starlin Castro
But I could also have imagined the Nationals…I mean, who’s there right now? Michael Morse?
A-Gon doesn't have a no trade claus?
would the BoSox really rather have Pujols over A-Gon? I wouldn’t if I were them, considering AGon’s contract compared to Pujols’
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2011 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Mike Morse
And his .910 OPS? He’s actually kinda good, and not expensive.
by jjackflash on Dec 9, 2011 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Way to go Arte!
Gotta give DePosito praise as well. Look at all the improvements he’s made in his first offseason!
I still can't believe Arte signed Pujols.
I still think it’s more likely that he signed the Declaration of Independence.
Artie Hancock
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2011 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
i still can't believe these deals went down today. Still taking it all in.
Good article about how the deal went down but I didn’t read a thing that wasn’t just gleaned from news bits through out the night as all this was happening and I stayed up into the wee hours reading and listening intently.
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
There ought to be an impromptu HH meet up to celebrate this...
Commander Nate, Phi Slamma… I’m looking in your direction.
Let’s shit some lava.
oh man, that last sentence can be taken in so many ways
Think I’ll pass on this meet-up, sounds like shit could get weird.
Haha
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Funniest thing I've ever seen
Is the carnage that is Lone Star Baseball yesterday.Too funny,Ranger fans not as stoked as us.
I poked around a little today and didn't see much.
I must not have gone back far enough.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
get banned
it is fun
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
I got banned once from a family research forum, by some distant relatives.
Bunch of grumpy old ladies, and only related through marriage to some of the worst members of my family.
They decided I was a friend of a young woman that they had banned earlier that week, and her crime was that she was admitted to the DAR before the moderator was; the mod couldn’t prove her lineage so they wouldn’t let her join. About six months later one of my hillbilly cousins who lives in a double-wide, been married 5 times, was admitted to those hallowed ranks of the DAR, and still the moderator could not join.
It was entertaining.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
i got banned from World Peace forum on AOL once
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 10, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
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