Friday Halolinks: The Los Angeles Angels of Pujols - Day Two
by WiHaloFan on Dec 9, 2011 6:38 AM PST
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PrintThe first day of the rest of your Angel life edition of Halolinks:
- Although I'm extremely happy about this week's free agent signings, I still have the bitter taste of last year's off-season in my mouth. Had the Angels actually done what Moreno claimed they were going to do last year (spend whatever it takes), they could have easily won the A.L. West in 2011. Had they filled a true need by signing Adrian Beltre, or in spite of his down season in 2011, added Carl Crawford instead of Vernon Wells, and thus keeping Mike Napoli, 2011 would have been viewed as the year the Angels returned to the play-offs. Apparently last off-season's bitter taste still lingered in Arte's mouth too: Albert Pujols deal makes Angels important in L.A. and the AL - latimes.com. "One specific target of the fans' ire was Moreno himself, who promised me last winter that he would spare no expense in improving the team, yet again failed to land a top free agent."I think it's a tribute to the aggressive nature, competitive nature and quality of our ownership," Dipoto said, adding, "Arte had made it very clear, he wants to win championships, he wants to win rings."" I'm not sure who I'd rather have, Carl Crawford, Adrian Beltre, and Mike Napoli, or Vernon Wells and Albert Pujols (I'm assuming the Halos would have still been able to add C.J. Wilson this off-season). Either way, I'm glad the organization was able to learn from their mistake.
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Angels' deals with Pujols, C.J. Wilson enabled by TV deal - latimes.com. "The Rangers agreed with Fox last year on a new contract worth an average of $80 million per year. The Angels' deal is expected to top that in average annual rights fees — the rejected Dodgers' deal had an average annual rights fee of about $85 million — and include an ownership stake in FSW." The previous broadcasting contract had the Angels receiving $500 million over ten years. With the increased revenue of the new broadcasting contract, aided by the addition of Pujols, the club will actually come out ahead when Pujols' contract is factored in. Also within this post, "The Angels had the second-lowest local television ratings among major league teams last year, according to Sports Business Journal." Albert should help in that area too.
- He may be Orange County's douchest writer, but he's right: Angels fans, no more complaining - The Orange County Register. "By peeling off more than $325 million Thursday for one bat and one arm, the Angels have made their fans feel privileged, entitled and more big-time than ever before in the existence of this franchise. So, how does it make us feel? Gross." Although I don't feel "gross". I've never complained about the Yankee or Red Sox ability to generate revenue, and I certainly won't complain about the Angels. If you got it, use it.
Old joke is old: Have The Angels Passed The Rangers In A.L. West? - Baseball Nation. "But the Rangers just lost their best starting pitcher, C.J. Wilson ... who joined the Orange County Angels, last season's second-place team." When will Rob "Don't Call Me Bob" Neyer figure out the Angels' name joke is dead?
Bad headline of the day: Angels can't wait to play with Albert Pujols, C.J. Wilson - angels.com: News. "Angels players were stunned -- as well as ecstatic -- about the news that Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson are the newest members of their team." Ha! He said "member".
I haven't heard anything about Morales getting non-tendered, but it's mentioned in this post: The new Angels lineup - HardballTalk. "I’m excluding Kendrys Morales, who will likely be non-tendered, and Mike Trout, who figures to begin the season in Triple-A."
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Looks like someone is stinging from 2002: Arte's Angels usher in bold new era - angels.com. ""They talk a lot about the Yankees," Reds manager Dusty Baker said from his home in the Sacramento, Calif., area, "and now the Angels, looking at what they've done over the last six, seven years, are kind of like the Yankees of the West." I'll accept that, with the caveat, "All the cash, without the rash".
I'm no lawyer (and I've never played one on TV), but this seems like an odd ruling: Dodgers can sell TV rights, judge rules - latimes.com. "The Dodgers' current TV contract with Fox prevents the team from negotiating with another broadcast outlet before Nov. 30, 2012. Fox failed to convince Gross that moving that date up would alter the contract so as to constitute irreparable harm." Maybe it has something to do with protecting the creditors (as stated in the article).
Dodger James Loney arrested after collision on 101 in his Maserati - latimes.com. "The accident took place Nov. 14". No to make light of a serious offense, but one comment was, "at least Loney finally hit something". Whenever I hear or read the word "Maserati", I'm reminded of Ted Nugent's "Wango Tango"...a Mazerati, a Mazerati. And it's a fast one too!"
Trade rumor! Oakland A's face daunting task in AL West after Los Angeles Angels' blockbuster signing of Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson - FOX Sports on MSN
There was also speculation that A's closer Andrew Bailey could be dealt to the Angels for a package that includes first baseman Mark Trumbo. But Angels GM Jerry DiPoto said he considers Trumbo an option at DH, third base or the outfield, suggesting he's not eager to part with him.
Lyle Spencer busy texting Jeff Mathis:
Uh-oh: K-Rod Accepts Arbitration With Brewers - FanGraphs Baseball. "He accepted the Brewers’ offer of arbitration and will receive a salary somewhere just south of $13.5M — the amount he made in 2011 with the Mets and Brewers — and serve as the set-up man for John Axford."
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Id rather have CJ Wilson, Albert Pujols, no Jeff Mathis and a new GM.
2011 was rough, but necessary. And the Rangers choked to lose a WS. Win all around.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Dec 9, 2011 6:49 AM PST via mobile reply actions 17 recs
This
Would’ve been nice for the AL West’s prominence had the Rangers won. But, 2011 still very very necessary, in order to truly expose the glaring weaknesses that were having Jeff Mathis in the everyday line-up and Tony Reagins at the GM helm.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
I would have set something on fire if the Rangers won
Good God, just the thought of Kinsler staring into the cold, dead eyes of Andrus celebrating while Ron Washington does whatever dumbass, coke fuled bicycle run he does is enough to make me weep.
They didn’t win though.
LOL Texas.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Dec 9, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
GULF !!!!!
Your Angels: Telling Pythagoras to go to hell since 2004.
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 9, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Me, too.
Texas is and has been one of my most hated sports franchises in history. The last two years’ postseasons have been insufferable.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
I wanted the Rangers to win
I have nothing against any of them except Kinsler. I haven’t built up the level of hate for the Rangers that I have for the A’s. Although I think they surpassed the Mariners last year on my hate list. The Mariners just haven’t been good in forever. It’s tough to hate them.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
At this point yes
But the A’s aren’t going anywhere due to their ineptitude and the Rangers are rising, simply because they’ve won the West the last couple years. I could see them passing the A’s this year if it’s another close race. And then I probably would not root for them in the postseason.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
And I have to say, a lot of that is probably personal
When I was up in Oregon in the early 00’s, the A’s and Mariners were both good, and one of my best friends was an A’s fan, and there were quite a few Mariners fans around. So we developed a pretty good rivalry. It’s faded now, but it took a long time.
No one ever cared about the Rangers.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Not to mention the likelihood that it would have been Ryan, not Moreno, making impassioned calls to Pujols this winter.
by Halowitz on Dec 9, 2011 8:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
+1
Hypotheticals are somewhat beside the point. Obviously, I wish we won 162 games last year and swept the WS in four games.
Considering where we were at the end of the season, I couldn’t be happier.
I love how 86 wins meant a horrible season last year
Considering I’m a huge UCLA sports fans and the Bruin fanbase is just dying to see a winning record, I find it all the more awesome to be a Halo fan lol
by notaznguy on Dec 9, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
2011 was a force of reckoning
2 years in a row the Angels FO entered the season with the mentality of, “Meh, this team might be good enough to win the division.” But Arte couldn’t take it anymore. You’re right, we had to go through the last two seasons to prove that little tweaks weren’t enough, and that we needed a major overhaul.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
I just don't see a non-tender of Kendrys
He costs the same as LaTroy Hawkins — almost nothing in the scope of the entire roster. As a switch hitter who hits best from the left side, he is one of our very few left-handed hitters, and our only one with power. I can’t see non-tendering him unless there is almost no chance he can DH. Kendrys, if healthy, would slot in 4th in the lineup, immediately behind Pujols.
Also, although I am thrilled about the new TV money, and the fact that it is much more than what the Rangers are getting, it feels a little dirty to be called the Yankees of the West. Let’s win some more rings first.
by Brody on Dec 9, 2011 6:55 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm reveling in it all
Everyone who is finding fault with the signings and contract value would absolutely love it if it was their owner spending to win, their GM with the strategy, and their team with Pujols and Wilson. The “it’s so much money that it will cripple the Angels for years” crowd is just crying the Siren’s song of bitter losers.
My owner and GM had the brass to get it done. The greatest player in the last decade is a member of my team. As a fan, I’m delirious with pride and joy. If that means that some call the Angels the “NY Yankees West” – have at it. It’s all good.
Let the haters hate.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
The Yankee comparison is stupid.
We still don’t have nearly the national/regional fan base of the YankSux nor do we have their money. But even if we did, I don’t think that’s the prime reason to hate those teams. I hate them because their fans are either half assed posers or ASSHOLES.
As long as we don’t start chanting AYN JOOHHHHLS drunkenly together in Chili’s bar with our hats on backwards, wrap around shades hanging from our necks, tribal tats in full flex, or invade Jacobs Field when the Halos are in town and beerily cuss out their home fans for rooting for their team in their stadium, we’ll be OK.
And as long as we remember our roots and stay grateful.
Tim Salmon + Yankee cap = HOF.
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 9, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Truth
Angels fans are not cockroaches. We aren’t going to spread our filth across the country. You know why? Because we already live in the best place on earth.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm
I’m foreseeing a glorified Robb Quinlan role if Morales doesn’t turn it around quickly.
Best case scenario Morales shows some serious star-power again in the first few months in limited playing time and gets traded for something big.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
I'd say best case scenario would be
Kendry comes back and is 95% of the player he once was. he’s our new DH (bye Bobby) batting behind Pujols, Trumbo gets traded for something decent and BOOM you’ve got 2 legit MVP candidates holding down the 3 and 4 spots in your lineup. with Hunter and Wells hitting behind them, and a decent offensive catcher, we actually have a decent offense.
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
Pretty much this
A healthy Morales hitting behind Pujols would be epic. I get goosebumps just thinking about it.
I’m pretty sure Trumbo has an option left, so I would stash him in Salt Lake just in case one of the big guys gets hurt. Having a bat like that waiting in the wings is my definition of organizational depth.
I'm dreaming of an offense powered by morales and pujols
With our starting pitching, we might win 120 games
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 9, 2011 12:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
According to Fangraphs
Morales is rehabbing on one of these. If space walking can’t fix him, nothing can.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2011 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
the G-trainer
i dont wanna brag, but that was my nickname in college.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Fullerton Junior College?
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
He went to college and he doesn't know what a V-neck is?
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
I guess he didn't go to Parsons then.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yea, non-tendering Kendrys is not going to happen.
The Soth was on Mason and Ireland talking up Kendrys’ importance to the team and how he has been hitting the ball well in the cages and will be working the ankle a lot more next month (I believe). It’s pretty obvious we need he and his nice left-handed bat behind Pujols.
That's good to hear
I wonder if he starts working the ankle in Jan if may actually be ready for opening day. In my mind, I’ve been penciling him in for mid-season, but it would be much nicer to have the uncertainty cleared up sooner.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
If anyone watched the press conference with Jerry DiPoto you would know that he has no intention of getting rid of either Morales or Trumbo.
He even goes on to say in the interview , "you can never have too much depth…..we have 3B ABs, 1st Base ABs, DH at Bats, and corner outfield ABs…… If we can have all 3 of them clicking on all cylinders were going to be in a very good position. "
And I think the last part will soon become my new signature!
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No kidding!
Haven’t seen him in forever. Very insightful comment, I may add, acuda. Looks like college has been good, cause your writing appears to have improved. Welcome back!
Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!
Hahahaha nope still going on strong.... Never left, I was just on a slump in the comments column ;)
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You just got mind f'd by the jedi
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Welcome back!
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
by Clutch on Dec 9, 2011 8:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
no one said welcome back to me!
I kid, I kid ;) maybe I wasn’t as well known.
2011 WS Champs calling it now. 7/29/10
by AnaheimHalos61 on Dec 9, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
What's up ol pal
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
I surely hope and think that Vernon will have a resurgent year will Albert in the lineup!
I woke up in a great mood; I don't know what the hell happened.
NO EXCUSES
for anyone hitting around him
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 9, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Just had a dream
That we signed latroy hawkins.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
I had a dream that Jeff Mathis was playing baseball for a team in another country
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
And he was hitting .175 and throwing the ball to the wrong base. His new manager, however, was
just as mesmerized and aroused by his Mango-like presence as was the Soth.
Never going to happen
Vernon killed our budget for free agents
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Dec 9, 2011 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
Here's the thing...
I think Vernon is just as likely to recapture his old form as Napoli is to repeat his 2011 season…I’m certainly no VW apologist but this is the year we will see if 2011 was a fluke or now the norm for him…the issue now is still finding a third baseman…AP may see some limited time there but does anyone really want to see the return of Callaspo or the “Trumbo Experiment?” I don’t understand this Andrew Bailey rumor at all…package a couple of guys and go get a third baseman…quickly!!!
I'd want to see the return of Callaspo
He’s really not the problem on this team.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
He might not have been teh problem...
but he’s certainly not the long term solution either…unless they feel like Cowart is going to rocket through the system, I think they should find a third baseman.
He's not the long-term solution
But there’s nothing wrong with using a perfectly viable short-term solution for a couple years in the absence of a good long-term solution. Callaspo was very solid last year. He was good at third base, and he was one of the best on the team at getting on base. His baserunning left a bit to be desired, but overall, he was one of the most valuable players on the team, and that was in a platoon role.
I would MUCH rather see Callaspo there than Trumbo (or Aramis Ramirez, for that matter).
Defending maligned chants since 2009
by Gorbachav5 on Dec 9, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Callaspo did fine.
With pujols in the lineup, we can handle a good fielding, high obp, low power 3bman.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 9, 2011 7:45 AM PST up reply actions
The thing is though, what if vw rebounds even slightly? His power #‘s were there. He just needs to suck a little less this year. He shouldn’t have any pressure now. If he improves this year we will have a SICK lineup.
by aybars chew on Dec 9, 2011 7:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
If Vernon does have a good year...
…does this mean “thebigtizzle” will be back?
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
Talk about an epic flameout
There might be some truth to the speculation that was tony reagins.
Bigtizzle was the first domino to fall, so i guess we can thank him for that.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Heh. It happens a lot these days.
I know I was around, but I just don’t remember it.
I tended to tiptoe around his posts and read the rejoinders.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Ridiculously repetitive posts about Wells being good
Also he accused some of being racist for not liking him. Something to that effect.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
Oh.
Oh. Dear.
Wouldn’t we have to know what race he/she was and blatantly say we didn’t like him/her because of it? “You’re wrong because of your Portuguese ancestors” sort of thing?
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Ohhhhh. Of course we don't like Wells because of his ancestry.
just like we despised Figgins and still despise Torii.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
See? You said "blacked". Racist!
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
by red floyd on Dec 9, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
'tizzle was dead wrong about Wells as a player...
but he was dead right about Moreno, and the non-impact of Wells’ contract on the team budget.
And, no, he is not TR.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
by Stirrups on Dec 9, 2011 9:41 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Well...
let’s be honest. tizzle had no idea about a 3 bill TV deal that happened to fall into Arte’s lap.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Dec 9, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Tizzle was stubborn about Wells
But I think he caught a lot of unwarranted flak for taking a contrary position. Aside from his illogical defense of Wells, he had quite a few good points.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
There's some merit to that, though
Reagins obviously deserves a ton of blame for the Vernon Wells deal. But if you take that out, he made some good moves (and some other bad ones – Rodney comes to mind). Reagins is going to be remembered for that Wells deal because that was a nuclear bomb of suck. But he made some decent trades and signings, too, and he was dealing with a weird front office dynamic.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Haren trade
Callaspo trade
Abreu ’09 signing
Torii signing
Weaver extension
Scot Downs signing
He had some gems but like you said, Napoli/Rivera for Vernon flushed any goodwill the fans had for him down the toilet.
the race issue was when he lost all credibility IMO
accusing us of treating Wells bad because he’s black when really we treated him that way because he sucked donkey balls.
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I don't remember that particular battle
If so, yeah, that’s ridiculous. I just think the guy got slammed for virtually everything he said because he held a couple of unpopular opinions. Some deserved, some not.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I remember. He accused me in a particularly nasty manner.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
Well, have you stopped to consider that you might be racist?
When called “racist” for no apparent reason, the knee-jerk response is to dispute it rather than spend a few days focusing on self-reflection and evaluation to consider if the accuser is onto something.
Next time this happens, take a few days off, or quit even quit your job if you work for a racially insensitive employer who refuses to give you the time off, to do some important soul searching.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
by snowhor on Dec 9, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In fact, IIRC, it took me a little time to realize what had just happened.
I went back and re-read his comment. Slowly. It was only then that I understood his accusation. And it was not just that I was being racially insensitive, or even racist. He accused me of being the Grand Dragon for all the racists and racism on HH.
But, yes, to your point: I think about my racial predilictions all the time. Pretty complex issue, that.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
EL OH EL
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
thats cuz all your posts read like you have a "dance boy!" mentality
friggin racist
:)
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Shit. Busted.
Now I gotta take my act to some other blog before word gets back to the warden and they shut off my privileges.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
The Florida State Penitentiary System already knows to block my access to in-state sports sites.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
Well, if you didn't agree that tony reagins was a good GM
then you were in the klan.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Dec 9, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and ive just used "well" to start off my last three posts...
im going home now.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Dec 9, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Sucked donkey balls?
If he’s into bestiality, that’s no reason to judge Wells either. This is 2011, man.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Well...
let’s be honest. We didn’t know about the TV deal either until AFTER the Halos were deeply entrenched in the Pujols gambit. At that point it very well was “Arte Goes Deep!”
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
Well, that settles it.
He was a sage with wisdom beyond his years.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Dec 9, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Just giving the guy what credit he does deserve.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
I expect Trumbo to exceed expectations at 3rd.
That is, I expect him to play there when Wilson and possibly Weaver are on the mound and make the routine play and make up for whatever he boots in the field with his bat, although I really can’t see him being below replacement with the glove considering how he played at first this year.
by Halowitz on Dec 9, 2011 9:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Scioscia's comments were interesting...
He said trumbo was bad at third when he was first drafted, but he was also just as bad at first. He has improved dramatically there so there is a good chance he will be able to pick up third with enough practice… The broken foot just caused some problems with that.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 9, 2011 12:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not totaly true
You may get more balls going your way at third, but you don’t have the problems with keeping runners on. Most defensive plays are built around the position.
But you will need quicker feet than at first. Get Trumbo to do more ladders, and some Chinese jump rope.
Yeah, it's totally true
You need quite a bit more range and much better footwork to handle 3B. Not to mention the throws.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Especially with Vernon "lets it bounce in front of him" Wells playing behind you.
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
"Too far back to make an attack"
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
The only issue for Trumbo at third may be the range.
From what I saw of him at 1B, he let a few get by that better first basemen would’ve gotten. But throwing shouldn’t be an issue. I think he’s shown decent footwork and throwing accuracy turning 3,6,3 (or 3,6,1) double plays.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Quicker feet. Quicker hand/eye coordination. Stronger throwing arm. More accurate throwing arm.
Greater number of situations to be responsible for at every pitch.
Yeah. Totally true.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
That's if you want to be All Star calliber at the hot corner
But many teams field some questionable gloves at third base.
I’m not saying Hot Dog should be moved from there just to get Trumbombs, but a platoon at third is a viable option for Mark. His feet are slow, but they don’t get in the way either. Trumbo’s main problem would be flexibility. He just moves so stiff. Plus he has a hard time fielding the low stuff, even at first.
Quicker feet = no
Quicker hand/eye coordination = fair
Stronger throwing arm = has
More accurate throwing arm = doesn’t disappoint
What you need most at third is an “I’m a Badass” attitude. Playing third is like being a catcher without all that extra gear.
I want to watch the Trumbo 3B experiment. Bring it on.
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
I expect Trumbo would be awful at 3b
And his bat won’t be valuable enough to make up for his deficiencies there.
Callaspo is fine.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Jeff Miller is such a douchebag.
If this is feeling “gross”, I don’t ever want to feel clean.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Yeah, I don't get why it's gross.
We’re supposed to forever stay a scrappy little team that can’t quite get the big star players but manages to almost win it with what we’ve got?
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Wild Card
an extra wild card has been added for the 2012 season
I don't know, it doesn't feel "natural"
Don’t get me wrong, I’m thrilled to sign Pujols, but it does feel a little dirty. The 2002 team, which was mostly homegrown, will always be the ideal team. And while we’ll never re-capture the feeling associated with winning that World Series, it would be nice to get as close as possible.
Paying gobs of money for high-priced free agents is a departure from that. So I wouldn’t say it feels “gross,” but it does feel Yankee-ish, and that’s pretty close to gross.
Either way, I’m not going to complain if we’re hoisting a trophy next October.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I'm on board with that a little bit
but look:
C: CONGER: DRAFTED BY ANGELS
1B Pujols: FA
2B: KENDRICK: DRAFTED BY ANGELS
SS: AYBAR: SIGNED AS AMATEUR BY ANGELS
3B: CALLASPO: SIGNED AS AMATEUR BY ANGELS
OF: Hunter: FA
OF: Borjous: DRAFTED BY THE ANGELS
OF: Wells: Acquired via trade (of Angels prospect Napoli)
DH: TRUMBO: DRAFTED BY THE ANGELS
C: Ianetta: Acquired via trade (of Angels prospect Chatwood)
C: WILSON: DRAFTED BY ANGELS
B: MORALES: SIGNED AS AMATEUR BY ANGELS
B: Abreu: FA
B: TROUT: DRAFTED BY THE ANGELS
B: Izturis: Acquired via trade (as a ‘prospect’ with 107 career AB)
SP: WEAVER: DRAFTED BY THE ANGELS
SP: SANTANA: SIGNED AS AMATEUR BY ANGELS
SP: Haren: Acquired via trade (straight out of Angels farm)
SP: Wilson: FA
SP: Williams: FA reclamation project
Our closer and an impossible to determine number of relievers this year will all also be Angels products. I only don’t go into detail because we know Downs, Takahashi, and Hawkins are all free agents, but the rest is muddled enough going forward.
It’s worth noting that in 2011 our best WAR position players (Kendrick, Borjous, and Callaspo) were all originally signed by the Angels. As were two of our three best starting pitchers.
I still feel a pretty far distance from being the Yankees.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 9, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
That's an interesting exercise
But I think you need to look at quality, not just quantity. When I harken back to 2002, I remember the key pieces of that team – Salmon, Anderson, Glaus, Erstad, Washburn, Percival, Ortiz, Molina(s), K-Rod, Lackey…those guys were all homegrown. You had a few guys brought in via trade before they’d done much at the ML level (Eckstein, Kennedy, some of our bullpen), and then only a few established free agent/trade pickups – Appier, Spiezio, Fullmer.
There was no one on that team remotely like Pujols or Wilson. Signing the top positional and pitching free agents to huge deals in one offseason is very Yankee-ish. I mean, the Yankees dynasty had a ton of homegrown guys too (Jeter, Rivera, Posada, Pettitte, Williams, and more currently, Cano, Hughes, Jeter’s corpse, etc.) But they supplemented it with huge signings like Clemens, and A-Rod, and Tino Martinez. Which is what the Angels are doing now.
It’s not a bad thing to pay money to guys that will help you win. I’ll be cheering just as hard for this team as any other. But it feels different, and not in a good way.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
This is an emotional tension that has no end.
You see it in High School sports, even. Transfers versus neighborhood kids, “recruiters!”, etc.
It’s the same root.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
I did address quality, too.
Look at the last part. Our three best WAR guys…all Angels. Two SPs…our closer.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 9, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but that won't be true (hopefully) next year
If things go well, I’d think the most valuable guys on the team will be: Pujols, Weaver, Haren, Kendrick, Bourjos, and Wilson. If Callaspo is one of the most valuable guys on the team again, that is probably a bad thing (maybe not, but probably).
If last year’s team had won the World Series, it would have felt a lot more like 2002 than if THIS year’s team wins the World Series.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
You could add Hunter and maybe Santana in there as well
But that doesn’t really change the ratio. You’ve still got almost as many free agent buys as homegrown guys.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
For me,
it might feel gross with any other player. But Pujols is the Mickey Mantle, the Babe Ruth, or the Joe Dimaggio of our generation. You don’t pass up an opportunity to have him on your team. And this isn’t like a 1 or 2 year rental. He is with us for half of his career.
Yes.
The rental deal for Tex was the one that felt dirty to me, and that was before it was obvious that it wouldn’t matter how much money we threw at the guy to stay.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Also, this is the first $100 million contract in franchise history, with one other taken on
The Yankees have had five I can think of and another two they took on.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 9, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
The actual value of the contract is beside the point
It’s the fact that it’s a ton of money to a big name free agent. CJ Wilson counts just as much as Pujols.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
There's more to "being the Yankees" than a couple of large contracts
But the value of the contract does matter, yes. Part of the reason the Angels could do this is because it’s likely only substantially higher than normal for one season. Hunter and Abreu represent $27 million off the books next year, and CJ is structed so that his contract doesn’t inflate until Vernon is off the books. It’s exceedingly likely the Angels shed enough payroll by next year to put them again about $50 million or more below the Yankees by next season. If the Yankees don’t sign a single free agent, re-sign a single player, and release every arbitration eligible player today, they’ll still have a larger payroll than us…by as much as $10 million.
To really be the Yankees though, how about sticking your city with a massive bill to finance your new stadium when you’re already billionaires yourselves, and then pricing the taxpaying public out of the park with the highest ticket prices in baseball history, and then being snide when asked about it by the media?
Or how about being owned by a man so corrupt that he was banned from the game and only allowed back in by a commissioner as spineless as you are?
I’m not saying I like it either…I understand the sentiment. But a single year of large payroll inflation is a drop in the bucket toward being anything like them.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 9, 2011 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
the Yankees are us
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
Okay, I think you've completely missed my point
Or maybe you haven’t and you’re just arguing to argue. Signing two of the top free agents on the market to giant deals feels very Yankee-ish, and is a departure from the homegrown Angels team that won it all in 2002. That’s it. That’s my point. There’s nothing in there about anything else the Yankees do – stadium financing, boorish owners, etc. I’m not saying we ARE the Yankees. I’m saying these moves feel like Yankee moves. The exact value of the contracts really DOESN’T MATTER. The fact that money comes off the books next year DOESN’T MATTER.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
And I get that
I just think it’s an absurd reach to say that the Angels are acting “Yankee-ish.”
The Yankees don’t even have a monopoly on signing absurd free agent deals. The Marlins just finished doing it. The Red Sox did the last couple of years. The Cubs with Soriano at the same time as the Lee extension and the (failed) Fukudome posting. The Phillies with Cliff Lee, Papelbon, and the Halladay extension. The Mets did it earlier this decade with Pedro Martinez, Johan Santana, Carlos Beltran, and Jason Bay.
I think you’re just pining for an age that’s sorta dying. There are still home grown teams. And this team still has a large home grown core. But because baseball in general is now shifting away from that, and teams are adapting, that doesn’t mean every team that signs the marquee free agent(s) for an offseason is suddenly doing something “Yankee-ish.” It stopped being Yankee-ish when the other half of baseball that could conceivably spend the money all started doing the same thing.
That’s why I hate you using the term…because it isolates one element of what the Yankees do, which, outside the context of HOW the Yankees do it and how OFTEN they do it, isn’t 1/10th as bad, and then you use it to talk about how it sorta cheapens things. That’s why those other things DO matter. Because without them, your gripe is with something that is not uniquely “Yankees,” but rather with a changing landscape in baseball in general.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 10, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
I feel like using the term in this context is completely valid
But to be honest, I could call it Red Sox-ish if I wanted. I could call it Recent-Marlins-ish. Who cares? It’s the same sentiment.
If we’d won the World Series with Vlad and Colon, it would have felt the same way. Probably to a smaller extent, but the feeling is the same. It’s no longer “our” team; it’s a team that money bought. You know, the way the Yankees have done it.
I’m not naive. I understand this is the way baseball works for the rich teams (and even for some not-so-rich teams). And a World Series win would still be absolutely fantastic. Just not quite as pure.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Calling it "Red Sox-ish" or "Recent Marlins-ish"
completely changes what you’re saying, though.
You know as well as I that there is a totally different context and meaning surrounding the Yankees method of baseball business. It is, in essence, a “loaded word” in the baseball realm. Otherwise no one would have the reaction to you using it that I’m talking about here. Merely buying some free agents doesn’t make you the Yankees. Maybe it cheapens things a bit, and I even agreed up top before. Hell, I’ve ranted constantly about the lack of a cap in the sport (and lack of a floor). But when you go to the “top shelf” in a comparison just because of one common element, it becomes hyperbolic…like people calling Obama a communist because of a proposed 3% tax increase, or people comparing Bush to Hitler because of the PATRIOT Act. And of all people, I know I’m not one to complain about use of hyperbole, but as loaded as the ‘Yankee’ word is for business purposes, it really shouldn’t be kicked around so easily.
And Vlad/Colon was identical to this…you should have theoretically felt the same back then. And Aaron Sele was 2002’s C.J. Wilson, even if it had no Albert.
Also, and I know this isn’t quite the same because it goes back to the quality/quantity thing, but the 2002 starting lineup had 4 guys who were not Angels by ‘birth.’ The 2012 one could conceivably have 3.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 10, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
He thinks it's gross
because the balance of power has been shifted. Over 50 years since the first baseball team moved to the West Coast, our teams are still considered inferior to the East Coast teams. The Angels are treading on sacred ground. They are threatening to not just be a scrappy mid-level team that sometimes makes a run at the ring, but to be perennial contenders like the Yankees.
The Angels, or any other West Coast team, will never be able to totally make up for the 3 hour time difference between us and Espin’s lair, but a payroll that is close to 200 M is a good start.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is an eloquent response that gives credence to one basic truth
Haters…gonna…hate
hey guys, remember when we signed Pujols yesterday?
that was cool
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
heard it from a guy in line at Starbucks
he seemed reliable
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
if I remember correctly his name was Twitter
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
PioDeportes 34?
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
PioDeportes1
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
LOL
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Just one question...
Can Pujols double as a hitting coach? He should not be allowed to talk to Hatcher….ever.
I should be working right now...
by gorams77 on Dec 9, 2011 7:54 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
LOL
I think Hatcher should be required to talk to Pujols daily…that way Mikey can learn how to BE a hitting coach!
Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!
Dear Mickey Hatcher
Do not talk with Pujols. Do not look at Pujols. Try to avoid even being in the same room as Pujols.
Thank you,
The fans.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
I think it's OK if Hatcher looks at Pujols,
watches him, actually, but instead of talking to him, we want Hatcher to listen to him.
Abreu needs to be our hitting coach once he's retired.
unless this guy Salmon is up for graps
hula dula da dominoes rula.
by DanishThunder on Dec 9, 2011 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think Timmy likes working on camera.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Idk
I think if Pujols lowered his hands and went the other way more often, he would have had a more typical career year hitting .300+ with 45+ bombs
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 9, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
45+ HRs???
Nah, there’s not benefit to the team if he goes out there and tries to hit 500 foot HRs every at bat. He needs to focus on productive outs and giving himself up for the team. If all of our players started playing with this Jeff Mathis-like focus, other teams will start tipping their caps to us more often.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
But can he run the bases the way that Vladdy and Torii did/do?
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
There's never a bad time to attempt to steal 3b, even if you lack the ability to do so.
That’s what Torii has taught me.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Especially if you are currently on 1st. Nobody expects it THEN!
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
like cutting across the diamond?
seems like a gritty Mathis-esque move
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by angelsownredsux on Dec 9, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
See like a douchey, A Rod type move
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Jeff Mathis would.
It’s the old “runner breaks for second, catcher throws to first, runner breaks for third, 1bman throws to third for the out” routine. Trumbo is really the one that f-ed up on that play.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
No. Mathis was.
The correct play is to throw directly to third and wait for the runner. That way there are fewer transitions in the handling of the ball.
In fact, if Mathis had watched 4000+ games, he might have come to the realization that the REAL play was to FAKE the throw to 3B, and wait for the runner to try and come all the way home, which is the inevitable desire of EVERY base runner!
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
This comment is exactly why fans shouldn't manage professional sports teams.
If Mathis throws directly to third, that selfishly takes the firstbaseman out of the play. The only thing that accomplishes is padding his own stats. This is a team game and to paraphase Socrates, there is no “mathis throws directly to third or keeps the ball for himself” in “team.”
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Untrue. Lern yer stats, man.
Any time a player is picked off the bases the catcher AND the pitcher share in the stat! This is why Lyle always used the valued True Confessions of the Halo pitching staff and their unbiased support of Mathis as a defender: because they knew that Mathis was always looking out to help pad their defensive stats.Talk about a team player.
Mathis using the “hidden ball” trick to tag out a runner trying to steal home from 1B via 2B and 3B would transfer that assist from 1B to P. And we all know that it’s more important to P than to, to…
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
Ok, then I'm left with one question.
How do you expect Mark Trumbo to learn how to play 3b if no one had ever thrown to him (at 1b) in an effort to throw out someone stealing 3b (via 2b)?
Jeff Mathis was ahead of his time.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Hmmm. Interesting conundrum.
I can only surmise that young Master Trumbo has now been tainted by the bad example of having C throw to him at all.
Recall that the proper play is for C to not throw to 3B and wait to tag the runner out when he attempts to steal home as he sprints from 1B to 2B. If C throws to 3B before the runner has rounded 2B, then the runner may fail to be tricked and return to 1B. C throwing to 1B did prevent the defense from showing their master plan to the opposing dugout, but it also primed Trumbo to look for a throw at all. Bad move. We want Trumbo to not expect a throw from C to 3B when C should be throwing to 3B so that the runner advnces past 2B after departing 1B.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
You're both forgetting the most important thing
Napoli never could have pulled off that play successfully. And that’s why we had to move the guy.
You both just totally failed to see the genius in Reagins’ move. And that’s why we’re stuck with this DiPoto assclown.
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by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 9, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Dusty's just still smarting from '02!
‘Gross’? Even RedSox fans were saying stuff like that on their blogs. But doesn’t everyone really want to be like the Yankees? Have an owner that spends what it takes to put a good product on the field. I sure do. Bring it. VW might improve a little and Nap and Beltre will come back to earth. Never liked Crawford for that money. And maybe he can’t take the pressure. Beside you can’t market Crawford and Beltre like you can Pujols.
Red Sox fans have no reason to complain
What did they spend last year on two players? If I recall, Gonzalez and Crawford got more than $300 million combined. They do this all the time. Pujols is the first player that has ever received more than $100 million from us.
by Brody on Dec 9, 2011 3:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Source confirms Heyman blocks Pujols trade.
Cowabunga, Duuude!
by bobbinhead25 on Dec 9, 2011 8:36 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
commisioner Stern=Heyman?
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 9, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
So we still have Pujols?
yesterday was not a dream
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
I felt the same way this morning. Still reeling.
Cowabunga, Duuude!
by bobbinhead25 on Dec 9, 2011 8:44 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Official analysis of the new TV deal by the CBO
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
I think we've exercised our 2010 off season demons.
Its the past, and with recent developments it seems more distant than ever. Sure, the Wells contract still hangs over, but this FEELS like a new baseball club. Better offense (Ianetta, Pujols), better pitching (Wilson) and better Front Office. No bitter taste in my mouth, just a sense of excitement for any further moves and spring training!
by TheQuestforMerlin on Dec 9, 2011 9:00 AM PST reply actions
but do you think our 2010 offseason demon will exercise himself?
too lardy-o to cardio
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Gotta have some demons...
If only so we can know who the real Angels are
by TheQuestforMerlin on Dec 9, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
Didja catch the exor vs exer, or did you mess up intentionally?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 9, 2011 1:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
K-Mo will be the new Edgar Martinez
And that will just be super.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
Thank god we do not have Crawford. F Tex. CC is FAT
I forgot about all this bullcrap at about 7:50 something yesterday. The approximate time I found out Pujols was an Angel.
Sign him now, make room for him later. I do not care. I just know the biggest icon in the sport is batting third for my Angels.
It will be surreal on opening day when he gets announced and strolls into the batters box.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
I love me some WiHaloFan but....
I don’t get this statement. " I’m not sure who I’d rather have, Carl Crawford, Adrian Beltre, and Mike Napoli, or Vernon Wells and Albert Pujols (I’m assuming the Halos would have still been able to add C.J. Wilson this off-season)."
Crawford = huge contract and .694OPS.
Wells = huge contract, fewer years, .660OPS
Both are failing speed guys, though Wells at least has a little power. But this just seems like deciding which turd you want to swim with. And I get the choice between Napoli/Wells, but Beltre and Crawford were independent free agents, as were Pujols and Wilson. It makes just as much sense for me to say “You can’t count Beltre because I am convinced he always intended to go to Texas.”
If my choice is between giving the best hitter of our generation (Pujols) or Willie McGee2.0 a bloated whale of a contract, and getting an effective left hander who would be an ace on half the teams in baseball to be our #3 and make us the AL Phillies or a pretty darn good third baseman I gotta take Pujols over CC and Wilson over Beltre.
Wells, Pujols, Wilson > Napoli, Crawford, Beltre.
Tim Salmon + Yankee cap = HOF.
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 9, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yesterday we were listening to the four-letter radio station in Seattle
and one of the hosts kept insisting that Pujols was really 34, that our deal with Pujols was terrible, and that the Mariners should sign Prince Fielder.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Yes, some very sour grapes.
We were on the freeway, heading to the airport to pick up our youngest and laughing at the commentary and how wrong it was.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
But that is Mariner country
I don’t think many would appreciate them talking how great the pick up was, since it hurts their chances even more at winning anything for years to come. Plus it is the four letter network. Entertainment, is their first name. And you were, entertained.
Did I fail to mention that we laughed?
I saw a guy at the grocery store last night who was wearing an Angels hat.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
His hat was very worn.
I almost stopped to talk to him but David was in a hurry and the guy was going in the opposite direction.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
I see a TON of Angels hats around here.
In fact….they are by the most common hats and gear worn in this area…..of course THIS….IS…ANAHEIM!!
Yeah, I used to live there.
I sure do miss the weather there right about now, although if we get the promised snow tomorrow I’ll be happy.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
That was pretty good.
But the little video with Mr Schaap made me want to slap someone.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
3 billion
They just announced Angels signed a deal with FSW for 20 years at $3 Billion dollars. B as in if he wasn’t fifty and on steroids we could add Barry Bonds for a sentimental DH.
Two things...
Over on LSB, there’s a link to an article written by one Mac Engel. Link
1. Comparing Tom Hicks to Arte Moreno? Wow.
2. Great byline photo of Mr. Engel.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
That was pretty nasty, especially the dig about the 1.5% and the recession.
Arte didn’t make his money as a bankster, he didn’t make it from housing derivatives and all of the other crap that dragged us down, and then pay himself obscene bonuses. Are all the baseball owners supposed to sit on their millions (billions?) because the rest of the country is broke? Wait, that would be everyone except the Marlins owners and the Yankees and Red Sox.
What a pile of sour grapes.
And, Arte is not Hicks.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Exactly!
“Wait, that would be everyone except the Marlins owners and the Yankees and Red Sox.”
That argument can also be flung in the direction of all the people crowing about CJ and Pujols being greedy. So, they were greedy enough to not accept their home teams’ offers (as if CJ really got an offer from Texas), but not greedy enough to accept the Marlins’ offers?
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
I thought of that too.
Wasn’t Hicks’ problem that he also owned a soccer team that he couldn’t sell? I thought that was what drained his pockets in the end.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Not entirely sure.
I’m still laughing at the thought thought of Tom Hicks approaching Arte Moreno two years after the Angels won the WS, to talk to him about spending foolishly.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
He owned the Dallas Stars hockey team
Which was a drain on his finances. Not sure about soccer.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Yes, he bought some soccer team in England, too
Liverpool’s football team. Bought high in early 2007, before the global recession. He had a portfolio of poorly-chosen investments in sports franchises, which he couldn’t sell or service. He promised the locals a new soccer stadium, didn’t follow through, and was widely loathed in Northern England afterwards.
Hicks was the anti-Arte. However, Jim-Bob on LSB apparently thinks himself to be a clever lad, and believes he successfully connected the dots because Hicks wrote mega-deals, Arte wrote a mega-deal, so hey—they must be two peas in a pod, right?
More irrefutable evidence that LSB is where intellect goes to die.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 9, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, did he buy the soccer team? Or the football team?
/ignorantAmerican’d
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Football or Handegg?
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't know about the hockey team.
I just know that the Rangers when they went belly-up (was it only two years ago?) were able to outbid us because of the subsidy from MLB. I have no problem with MLB propping up a team with failed ownership in order to get the team sold, but that just seemed wrong.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Oh God, don't turn this into a OWS thread.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I had no intention of that.
If I want to butt heads about politics there are plenty of great places to do that, and this place is not one of them. I want to still like the people here that I think I like.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Good analysis, Opie
I got about halfway through the article before deciding to write it off as a shitty attempt to turn his sour grapes into a connection with a contemporary political phenomenon. Sure, you can argue that playing a game isn’t worth $20 million a year to one person, but the reason they are getting that is because pro sports has some of the strongest unions on the planet. Would the author prefer that owners like Loria and the Steinbrenners be required to keep more of the money? What a tool.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
The comparison to the Braves was just stupid.
Really, really stupid.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
No kidding.
“The Texas Rangers have become the Atlanta Braves West. Their philosophy, successfully used for more than a decade by former GM John Schuerholz, was to just let stars past 30 walk. The Braves relied on young, cheap talent that wanted to make money over the guy who is past his 30th birthday and just got paid.”
Does this guy even follow the Rangers? Adrian Beltre, Mr. Engel?
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Good point
Does this guy even follow the Rangers? Adrian Beltre, Mr. Engel?
Pretty much defeats his whole article.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Not to mentions his sweet photo.
It certainly helps his credibility when it looks like he’s sucking on sour grapes.
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
Blah blah blah
When your TV deal gets supercharged hinging on signing a superstar, then you sign that superstar.
3 Billion Dollars makes 25 million a year look reasonable.
Haters Gonna Hate.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Tom Hicks
Did not have a 150 mill a year tv deal to pay for Arod. The best thing about this is that Pujols is already paid for! The contract will likely not be a risk for the Angels and drag them down. Pujols and maybe Wilson gave Arte the necessary leverage to land a huge tv deal maybe not possible before this signing.
Mathis is finally gone. Only good things can happen now.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Dec 9, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Tom Hicks did not have a $3 bil TV deal. Stupid comparison
though they are pretty stupid at LSB so it should be expected.
Willits? Check. Reagins? Check. Mathis? Check
BK Court is funny,. A BK judge can void any and all contracts if he deems it in the best interest of the creditors.
On the other hand, Judge Gross, in a different case, when a lawyer pointed out that he was violating some rule or another, he replied, “What are they going to do? Take me out back and shoot me?”
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
that's just Gross
I mean it, you guys. That’s just Gross.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 9, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
That's really only a reiteration of Shaikin's comments yesterday
It may well be true, but I would prefer the definitive press conference statement.
One rumor which I found to be particularly interesting was that the Angels would have an ownership stake in FSW, something which can reap even more money than simply television rights alone. God bless TimeWarner Cable, because they clearly put the fear of Jeebus in FSW, much to Arte’s advantage.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 9, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
i hope we get a network like the Yankees
and i can get it and watch angels game all the time
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
I was hoping for network, too
But it looks like the 20-year FOX won’t let that happen. Just hope he doesn’t regret it in 10 years.
I am hoping for the ASS network
Angels Sports Station
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
I could see myself watching ASS
Especially if they get Kelvim Escobar to come back and help with programming.
Social Network Coordiator - Kelvim Escober
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
by DAD OF VLAD on Dec 10, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
I thought that I read he gets a share of FS West.
That is an asset.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
Good point
Does that mean they can end up controlling much of it’s programming and content, like the redsox and yankees do with NESN and YES?
Should we take a gamble on Manny?
After his 50 game suspension could platoon with any OFs and his bat with pujos, trumno, torii, etc might be worth $3-9 million.
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I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mustard_man on Dec 9, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
What about CJ Wilson?
Just heard that the Marlins landed Buehrle for 4/58.
They’re probably out of the running for Wilson…
Winning doesn't matter. -Lyle
any word on Pujols?
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 9, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
And do what with him?
We’re ass-deep in OF and DH candidates. In case you forgot, we just signed a first-string 1B, which means the incumbent 1B and the on-the-DL-former-incumbent 1B are going to need a slot in the lineup during the 150 or so games that Pujols is starting. Unless either Trumbo or Morales discovers a heretofore unseen talent at 3B, that role for either of them will be at DH.
Manny is a viable project for a team like Baltimore which can afford to take a flyer on a guy who may well be a ghost of his former self once his bloodstream is devoid of PEDs. He has no role with the Angels. None.
BTW, if Manny gets “$3-9 million” from ANY team, I will be the most surprised person in the tri-county area. I expect he’ll fetch, at best, a minor-league contract with the opportunity to show he can still hit at MLB level.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
George...a slight correction
“a minor-league contract with the opportunity to show he can still hit at MLB level….WITHOUT STEROIDS”
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
What was it he was caught using?
Was it Summer’s Eve?
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 9, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this is so stupid
I’m dumbfounded
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Are you trolling?
Your user page says that you’re a Red Sox fan.
Explain
he's the famous extra
look at his profile
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 9, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
BANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
Aren't you that dude who used to troll over here?
You used to say you were an actor and Clover_Black said you looked like Seth Rogan’s shit.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Dec 9, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Haha! Nice catch, I think it is him.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Right?
It has to be. He was the one who said that we should sign Eck and then went to Over The Monster and talked about how awesome that was. (In case you are wondering how I could remember all this, I thought “Seth Rogan’s Shit” was the funniest thing ever).
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Dec 9, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
its him, I remember
he also said we should sign Eckstein and he’d hit 30 HRs for us. DOV hates him with a passion, its great
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2011 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
Ahahahaha
I hope Rev doesn’t ban him. I want DOV to tear him apart.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Dec 9, 2011 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
Oh man!
I dealt with so much Dodger fan hate yesterday my jaw still hurts from laughing so hard in their bitter, sour grape, faces. The amount of hate and jealousy over this is out pf control and I’m loving every minute of it. Because deep down all these naysayers of the deal, Law, Neyer, Stark and the likes know, that this was immeasurably huge for the a team they all hate.
Formerly known as AlohaHalofan
by Erick Danielsen on Dec 9, 2011 10:55 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Include Gammons, Verducci and Jeff Passan in that group
"Ballplayers play baseball. Hrrmmmff." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Dec 9, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Did those guys naysay the deal?
I haven’t found anything wrong with what those guys said. They basically said that we paid a lot of money (true) for an excellent ballplayer (true) who will be pretty old when the contract ends (true) and probably won’t be worth the money he’s getting paid at that point (probably true).
It’s ridiculous to think that those guys “hate” the Angels. It’s a persecution complex.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
^^^^(true)^^^^^
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 9, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Hate, Hate I tell ya. They're all out to get us!
Formerly known as AlohaHalofan
by Erick Danielsen on Dec 9, 2011 4:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Signing Pujols.
Gave Arte such huge leverage in the TV deal negotiations. Arte probably got close to twice as much with Pujols and Wilson, then he would have gotten before. All of a sudden instead of 50 million per year for tv, it is now tripled. Incredible. Pujols is already paid for. Smart and savy move by Arte.
Mathis is finally gone. Only good things can happen now.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Dec 9, 2011 11:19 AM PST reply actions
I've heard this line somewhere before.
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
I think you have that backwards
The knowledge that he would be receiving such a bump in TV revenue is what allowed him to go all-in on Pujols.
As the stories have been saying for the last few days, FSW being told by the bankruptcy court that McCourt couldn’t sign his TV deal before the sale of the team—since FSW basically had McCourt in a desperate situation, where he needed the money more than a fair deal—caused the network to strongly re-evaluate its relationship with the Angels. With the Dodgers off the table for both FSW and TW Cable, the Angels could have been romanced by TW, causing FSW to lose the Angels and be in flux about the Dodgers. Remember, the games are simply software to the sports channels and without something to show (24 hours a day), the networks are essentially useless. They NEED the Angels and Dodgers even more than the teams need them.
So the Lakers leaving FSW legitimized TW Cable’s sports net. Losing the Lakers cost FSW dearly (their #1 draw), and they were not about to be raided for the baseball teams. So they went to Arte and laid their best offer on the table to keep the Angels locked up for a couple of decades.
Knowing that money was a guaranteed $150M per season of revenue, bidding on Pujols became an affordable luxury. Plus, more eyeballs in SoCal watching the Angels with Pujols will increase ad revenue, something Arte knows very, very well.
If the team can get 1-2 WS appearances out of this relationship with Pujols, his contract will essentially be covered.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Dec 9, 2011 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you Dodgers and Lakers!!!
I hate both teams and never thought I could love them so much at the same time. First the Lakers leave Fox and then Selig cancels the Dodgers $3 billion deal because he feared it would be used improperly.
Now it’s our deal!!! Suck on that baseball, we have $150 MM per year to play with now just from TV. Contenda Foreva.
Eff it, let's sign Darvish.
I have a secret place, inside my mind, where I keep hidden inspiration you wont find.
by Tapatio Man on Dec 9, 2011 11:47 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Too risky.
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
Obviously I'm dreaming, but
Weaver
Haren
Wilson
Santana
Darvish
Holy crap. Or flip Santana/Trumbo/Callaspo for a bat & slot in Williams or Richards in the 5 spot. YES I’m dreaming, I know.
I have a secret place, inside my mind, where I keep hidden inspiration you wont find.
by Tapatio Man on Dec 9, 2011 12:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm down
Why give the other team a day where they might stand a chance? Just sign a radio deal or something to cover it.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Create derivitives from Albert's contract, sell them, and fund Darvish
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
darvish would cost 100 million, has never pitched in the MLB, or spent a day acclamating to a different
country and culture. Don’t let Arte’s money go to your head.
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
Darvish is an idol, and soon to be a god, in his homeland now
The Japanese love SoCal, and the Rodent(heh-heh), you don’t think that he could not cover his own contract?
A four/five year deal would be no problem at all.
For a 100 million he better be a damned god and shit gold on the spot.
Still too risky.
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
I have a good feeling about him, but no cash to spare.
He will be a Yankee. The posting system sucks.
What do you think of this? I'm going shopping tomorrow.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Lame
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
It only comes in bro.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
You're too fat for that.
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
I lost 3lbs last month.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Save money and take up knitting your own sweaters.
You know you want to and custom sweaters are really where it’s at.
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
that's not his arm....
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
Unneccesary
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Some info on the TV deal
Via MLBTradeRumors:
The Angels have agreed to a 20-year TV contract with Fox Sports worth at least $3BB, reports Bill Shaikin and Kevin Baxter of the L.A. Times. With the Dodgers’ deal with Fox struck down in court and the Lakers moving to Time Warner Cable, the Angels had a clear line to this huge new deal and revenue stream. As Shaikin and Baxter put it to Halos fans, Pujols was “brought to you by Frank McCourt and Kobe Bryant.”
link didn't stay linked here it is
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-angels-fox-tv-20111209,0,4052777.story (haven’t read it myself yet.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 9, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Also on another rumor brought.
via MLBTradeRumors
There is no truth to rumors the Angels and A’s were discussing a trade involving Mark Trumbo and Andrew Bailey, reports Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle. Slusser’s source calls the rumor “total fiction.”
by MoralesHomers on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Trumbo is the Anti-Beane player
He’s cheap, has power, but no plate discipline and a terrible OBP
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
Yea, deal never made any sense for either team really.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 9, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Well, he's not necessarily the anti-Beane player
The terrible OBP part is bad, of course, and I don’t see Beane getting past that. But the fact that he’s cheap is a very Beane type of property.
Also, look at WAR – Trumbo was worth 2.1 last year. He’s not even arbitration eligible until 2014. Meanwhile, Bailey is going to get expensive pretty quick, he’s already 27, and he only had a 0.9 WAR last year (down from 2.4 the year before and 3.9 the year before that).
This is exactly the type of trade Beane might make. He’s getting a guy who’s not great, but is still worth SOMETHING (and is probably underpaid for it), while he can dump a guy who is going to be overpaid as soon as this year. Like I said before, the OBP issue is probably too big to overcome, but if you gave Trumbo a slash line of .250/.325/.425 instead of .250/.290/.475, Beane might be willing to pull the trigger.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
As I understand it Beane places a LOT of value on plate discipline.
Trumbo just has a terrible time with it. The cheapness would be pretty much the only (albeit large) thing Trumbo has in his favor, according to what I understand of Beane. I would be stunned if Baily is an A at the end of the next season, but I think Beane can get more of what he values elsewhere.
Unlike this cat, my love for the LAA will never die.
What I find most interesting about Trumbo and his plate discipline,
is that the guy can see a TON of pitches. I don’t know how he does it, since Fangraphs shows that he swings at a lot of crap and misses them most of the time. But if there was a guy in 2011 whom I could expect to see 8 to 10 pitches in any given AB, it was Trumbo.
And burning pitches has got to be worth something.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
Trumbo's not that good at it
He was 50th in pitches seen per plate appearance in the AL (out of 73).
I agree that Trumbo makes way too many outs for him to be someone Beane wants. But even considering that, he’ll be a better bet to outproduce his (cheap) contract than Andrew Bailey, and that’s what Beane is looking for.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I did not mean that he did that with EVERY at-bat.
I meant that he can do it. Period.
(By the way, how come only 73? A very high minimum number of AB’s or some such?)
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
Yeah, I think that's guys who qualified for the batting title
If there was a guy I’d expect to be at the plate for awhile, it’s Abreu, who was second in the AL in pitches per plate appearance. I don’t recall Trumbo having very many battling plate appearances where he saw a lot of pitches, and the numbers back that up.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
The horizontal axis is how often he swings outside of the "real" strike zone
The vertical axis is the size of his own “personal” strike zone.
But what I am looking for
is a log of all his AB’s in 2011, which include number of pitches seen with each AB.
Maybe I just got lucky, and saw all 10 of his high pitch count AB’s. But I could swear that there were numerous games when he saw the most pitches of any single AB, and survived by fouling off all the crapola.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
I think you'd have to scrape MLB's Gameday data to generate that
But the average P/PA suggests that your perception was deceiving.
No, I think it shows a river with a mosquito infestation.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Oh, Subop explained while I was typing.
Now, I look foolish.
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
I'm with you.
Aren’t outliers a good thing? Think about lottery ticket purchasers. Aren’t the ones who win, outliers?
Vernon Wells 2011 Stats (.218/.248/.412) and 2010 road stats (.224/.299/.400). The front office shouldn't have been surprised.
Good. I'm glad.
I wanna keep Trumbomb. We need some homegrown talent mixed in with our FA’s.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
Oops oh well though hadn’t gotten down to where this was already mentioned it just came across my ticker.
by MoralesHomers on Dec 9, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Cards fan here
Just wanted to pop in and say grats on getting Pujols. He is a force of nature and a pillar of the community. I envy you all getting to watch him breaking all those records he will be breaking in about 7-10 years. I am heartbroken that he is gone, but happy that the City of LA is so thrilled about getting him and knowing that he isn’t a Cub.
Good luck next season and beyond (unless we meet in the WS/interleague) and take good care of Prince Albert.
by Bonofied on Dec 9, 2011 12:48 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Thanks.
After watching us send our leftovers your way to secure a few titles for your town, it was nice of you to reciprocate. Let’s see if we can accomplish same with what we got.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
Every thought about being an Angels Fan?
You can keep all your red
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
Haha, nope.
I was a Cards fan long before Pujols and tbh if it wasn’t for the Cards my sports-fandom would be pretty fail. They are the only team that has ever rewarded me with a championship in 30+ years.
I think we sent a Rams team your way a few years back
That also won a championship for you guys.
Also, as said by others, THANK YOU for beating the Rangers, epic awesome!
Jeff Mathis (Pseudonym Lyle Spencer) is History... Zang!
by Halo Hurricane on Dec 9, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
I'm in Columbia, MO
and was born and raised a Chiefs fan. The Rams SB victory was not good for me.
A lot of us were pulling for you guys in the Series
I would have even if it wasn’t the Rangers
(lived near St. Louis for 3 years)
Where, Raaddad? I spent two years in Clayton.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
My great great grandfather is buried there.
At Jefferson Barracks, the Union civil war cemetery.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
I think it was in that area, actually.
I attended a private school called Principia.
It was an institution for the criminally insane hehe
My best friend from high school was from St. Louis
and a huge Cardinal fan (still is) before moving to Orange county. Angels became his AL team. This couldn’t have worked out much better for him.
Cards fans continue showing how classy they are
thanks buddy and good luck to your team post-Pujols. you guys still have a very formidable team.
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some tool named Designatedforassignment from Athletics Nation
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for beating the Rangers in the WS.
And leave Pujols’ statue alone, it’s not hurting anything way out there in Maryland Heights.
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
Cards fans, salt of the earth
Even before we got Pujols, I’ve always thought the Cards organization and fans are classier than most. A proud history without all the pomposity of the Skanks or Sux. BTW, I also liked your arch, river, and that the town smells like beer.
Where were you on December 8th, 2011 - Pujols Day?
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
St Louis has a great arboretum, too.
Just don’t go in late July when it’s nearly 100 and the humidity is nearly the same.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
source
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Dec 9, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
boom
2011 WS Champs calling it now. 7/29/10
by AnaheimHalos61 on Dec 9, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
I just don't know how to use the reply button, do I?
I think you know that was meant for you, Bonofied
2011 WS Champs calling it now. 7/29/10
by AnaheimHalos61 on Dec 9, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Btw, I hope this doesn't make Cron expendable.
I have a secret place, inside my mind, where I keep hidden inspiration you wont find.
by Tapatio Man on Dec 9, 2011 12:56 PM PST via mobile reply actions
It absolutely does
unless he returns to his catching roots somehow
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 9, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
No - it doesn't
When Cron is ready, Albert will be DH’ing more than playing 1B.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
When will Rev update the Top 100 Angels?
Pujols has to be top 10 before even playing a game, right?
Clay Hensley DFA'd by Marlins
Interested?
I have a secret place, inside my mind, where I keep hidden inspiration you wont find.
by Tapatio Man on Dec 9, 2011 2:00 PM PST via mobile reply actions
When's the damn LaTroy Hawkins press conference!!?
I missed work for it.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
Nice.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Wow.
I guess we have become the Yanks of the West
We certainly have brought in a number of their players over the years.
Another reason to be glad TR is gone. We're not buying the MFY's castoffs anymore.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Assuming Pujols stays healthier than last year, what kind of numbers do you think he might put up?
Considering:
a. He was only out two weeks last year I believe, but his numbers were down a bit
b. We will at some point have Kowbell batting after him in the line-up (he says dripping hope from every pore)
c. He’ll have Mickey Hatcher as batting coach :-)
1.000/∞/>:)
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Underestimating Pujols a bit?
I think he can hit above 1.0000.
Mathis is finally gone. Only good things can happen now.
by Angelsrthebest101 on Dec 9, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
Angels need to win 2 or 3 WS with Pujols
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
why not 10?
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
11
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Dec 9, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
I'll settle for one
The Marlins and Blue Jays have two each. That doesn’t sit well with me for some reason.
Marlins are a great franchise
Blah blah blah
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
So who's supposed to protect Pujols in the lineup?
Even Bonds had Kent for a while. But then he didn’t. And he got walked a lot. Anyone else think we really do need another hitter? Wondering if Dipoto might still flip Santana for a solid 25-homer guy.
himself
The neighbor is a cranky irish expat. He if wanted no snakes, he shoulda stayed in Ireland.
-Moondoggy
all I can say is..
despite all of the talk about money spent, TV contracts, the vomit inducing comparison to the Sux and Yankers , how healthy Pujols will be in 5 years, or how his production may or may not decline, or any of the rest of it.. that is all incidental.
what matters to me is that in one bold stroke, at least for me, after the last few seasons (that have very frankly left me, as well as many of the other HH regulars) in a very disillusioned state.. my faith has, at least, partially been restored.
Time will tell if Arte (despite spending 1/4 of a billion dollars on Pujols), is really serious about making our beloved team a true winner again.
This is Angels Baseball, we are fAn strong
Just another Halo victory!
by HalosFanInNorCal on Dec 9, 2011 6:38 PM PST reply actions
I saw the look on Arte's face at the end of last season.
He was really angry. When the firings began I figured something big might happen, but I never dreamed it would be this big.
Has anything else happened at the Winter Meetings? Does anyone care?
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
I read
THIS post, and feel totally different about anything said on this deal now.
If he is played right, he will have a lasting and productive career with the Halos. Maybe even returning to St. Louis for his swan song.
"...returning to St. Louis..."
Now THERE is a new thought for me. There is an ever so slight possibility that we could have a GREAT story line for an upcoming World Series.
Dear Texas: "One, two...........THREE!" The next number IS THREE!!!
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