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I have never been a big fan of GA, and won't remember him fondly now that he is retired. Wondering if I am the only one?

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"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells

by George Kaplan on Mar 2, 2011 8:53 PM PST reply actions  

Definitely.

To your probably.

This is the space where you write a clever quote or something like that.

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Mar 2, 2011 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I've read the first paragraph

Lemme guess, you didn’t think he tried?

WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!

by Figgi4life on Mar 2, 2011 9:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

All he ever did was do his job very well.

And the knock on him was that he didn’t look like he cared while doing it?
I don’t get it. Who cares what he looked like. Natural athletes have a way of making difficult things look deceptively easy.

This is the space where you write a clever quote or something like that.

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Mar 2, 2011 9:14 PM PST reply actions  

Wait a minute?

Garret Anderson played for the Angels? I remember him with the Braves a while back but what is all this about?

"Jeff Mathis is like Robb Quinlan without the sex appeal" - Sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher

by ryanfea on Mar 2, 2011 9:53 PM PST reply actions  

That bitter Ohio air is starting to get to you isn't it?

My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Mar 2, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha Ha

I just can’t imagine how an Angel fan doesn’t form great memories of GA after 15 seasons, hence my sarcasm.

"Jeff Mathis is like Robb Quinlan without the sex appeal" - Sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher

by ryanfea on Mar 3, 2011 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I've Said This Before As Well

You’re right. I firmly believe that the stereotype of which you speak is what colors many peoples’ assessment of him. It’s very unfortunate. Add to the fact that he’s never been a “Yessuh” kind of guy, and it reinforces that perception for those who are liable to think that way.

by jjackflash on Mar 2, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you have an advanced metric for your 50% racism belief?

I don’t mean to make light of your post. I suspect that you may be right. It certainly makes you think.
I can understand not liking GA’s style of play, but who says a fan has to love the way every player plays on their team. GA may not have been universally beloved, but you have to respect the man’s contributions to the franchise.

My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Mar 2, 2011 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Racism Factor = (Number of times GA has been called lazy) / (Number of times someone has suggested bringing back David Eckstein + Number of times someone has suggested retiring Tim Salmon’s jersey)

by Suboptimal on Mar 2, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice!

GA’s RAR (Racism Above Replacement) rating would seem to be very high indeed.

My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Mar 2, 2011 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Make it a true "RAWR"

Racism above white replacement.

WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!

by Figgi4life on Mar 3, 2011 8:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Thatta Boy!

My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Mar 3, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoa, settle down

OK, hold up a sec. I don’t mind having my opinion roasted. I didn’t expect this to be well received, I figured my opinion was in the minority (pun not intended) but was curious to see just how much in the minority.

What I do promise you though is that my opinion is in NO WAY tinged by racism and I don’t appreciate the insinuation even if it isn’t directly aimed at the article. I honestly can’t see a single article in the piece that even remotely suggests racism. Hell, I can’t find anything on the entire blog.

I’m not saying that you are entirely wrong about people who might hate on GA due to his race, I just know that you are wrong to imply that I am one of them. So how about we not be so hasty as to play the race card?

by monkeywithahalo on Mar 2, 2011 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't say you were a racist

What I said is that perception is subjective. To our eyes, players on the field are just guys in jerseys. Our minds have to fill in the gaps. Culture is the natural place to start looking for associations, and the lazy black is a very common image in our culture. We share our culture, so in a sense, we are all responsible for it.

by Suboptimal on Mar 2, 2011 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

We don't share our culture

USA is the most unsharing, unbound culture in history. And the “lazy black” as a stereotype is less common today than ever but the “inadvertently racist privileged ghostwhite blue-eyed meth dealing white man” is more reflexively popular than ever. I do agree with your observations RE: harshing on GA (not personally to M.W.A.H. but in general) but you are painting some wild scenery with a pretty big supposition brush.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 2, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I’ve been around a university long enough to know to never pick a fight over social theory. But I did just see The Hunt for Red October for the first time in years, and I realized that Jonesy, my favorite character, is pretty much the same exact black minstrel in every Hollywood movie ever. There’s nothing inherently racist about Seaman Jones, but I liked him because he conforms to my idea of what the token black dude on a submarine should be, and that’s just something I’ve absorbed from other media.

Then again, Denzel Washington blows all of that up in Crimson Tide, so go figure. I still think this is one of the greatest verbal bitch slaps I’ve ever heard:

Capt. Ramsey: Speaking of horses did you ever see those Lipizzaner stallions.
Hunter: What?
Capt. Ramsey: From Portugal. The Lipizzaner stallions. The most highly trained horses in the world. They’re all white?
Hunter: Yes, sir.
Capt. Ramsey: “Yes, sir” you’re aware they’re all white or “Yes, sir” you’ve seen them?
Hunter: Yes, sir I’ve seen them. Yes, sir I was aware that they’re are all white. They are not from Portugal; they’re from Spain and at birth, they’re not white; they’re black. Sir.
Capt. Ramsey: I didn’t know that. But they are from Portugal.

by Suboptimal on Mar 3, 2011 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you

as much as I wanted to point out the broad brush with which you paint is something you are known for calling out others on.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 3, 2011 2:18 AM PST up reply actions  

true.

"We are not on an austerity program," Arte Moreno

by thebigtizzle on Mar 3, 2011 2:50 AM PST up reply actions  

It was not my most well-reasoned comment

But I wanted to let the original author know that I was not singling him/her out as a pathological racist. The imagery is everywhere.

by Suboptimal on Mar 3, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I love that movie

Crimson Tide that is

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN

by 2pintsofbooze on Mar 3, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Tropes survive. They morph and adapt with the times, but they don't go away...

I agree with Suboptimal 100% here. Without busting up the community guidelines, I suggest that postmodernism means that people don’t blatantly stalk black players with labels on a constant basis, but artistically reserve stereotypes for “moments” so things long held like lazy, “n-rich”, et al make their way into our culture at key moments in “other words” so as to not seem pervasive. GA is a great example. Won’t get too deep on this but there is a very broad notion of sports/athletes no longer relating to and reflecting the “average fan” nowadays, and most tropes are tucked neatly under that umbrella today for use at later times.

I think there is another -isms at play here as well:

1. Little Brother-ism: Sometimes our quest to one day be the Yankees of the west sparks an inferiority complex and that can be a MF. When you go up to the big kids and show off your new shit you want them to be impressed. When they say, “that all you got, kid?” you walk away feeling small. After a while, you start punking yourself. Doesn;t matter what you think of your new shit. THEY have to recognize it for you to be happy. These fools are holding Babe Ruth trump card just to begin with. GA doesn’t strike them as an all-timer even if he is yours. So the inferiority complex makes you doubt your shit. You dare not pump him up against theirs. So when they universally come out saying he’s average, you kinda slump and slink away.

Everybody knows that any team worth their salt has a fat, white, old. cranky all-timer who smoked in the dugout as their legacy leader. Baseball is one of the last bastions where the “hustle guy” is the guy. It reflects an anti-bling, great white hope paradise, where a guy who comes to work everyday, doesn’t make waves, performs at the highest level, doesn’t cause controversy, does it over a long period of time, and comes up at big moments, can get his just due. Well, unless he’s….

"We are not on an austerity program," Arte Moreno

by thebigtizzle on Mar 3, 2011 1:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more

And I don’t mean that in a sarcastic asshole way.

by Zaius on Mar 3, 2011 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Lame

"why do you we still have quitlin?" -VladdyG

by cupie on Mar 3, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Warning: I'm dropping my F Bomb of the month.

Yeah, i’m pretty fucking sure you’re one of the few supposed Halo fans that won’t remember GA fondly. After all, he’s only one of the greatest Halos to ever play the game, but yeah, you’re right, he friggin’ sucked.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Mar 2, 2011 10:38 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Damn, monkeywithahalo getting roasted

but how can you say that about GA one of the greatest to ever put on the Halo

Don’t know, don’t care. People that criticize can kiss my ass. I don’t give a shit
-Kobe Bryant

by KB_24 on Mar 2, 2011 10:53 PM PST reply actions  

He may have had the personality of a souvenir stadium cup, but I'll always love GA for this:

My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Mar 2, 2011 11:03 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

One last comment, then roast me all you want

I don’t recall the section of the fan rulebook that says because a player is good (which I never denied) that I must automatically love him unconditionally.

PS – Rev, I own an Erstad jersey, but wore #40 in high school, so your guess is as good as mine

by monkeywithahalo on Mar 2, 2011 11:32 PM PST reply actions  

well you are a good sport

for a blogwhore and it is nice that you can take the criticism and still stand up for your essay, dumb as it was.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 2, 2011 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Lazy white players

I don’t think they exist.

Help me out here guys…

by Zaius on Mar 2, 2011 11:55 PM PST reply actions  

I just can't think of any lazy white players...

I mean you’ve got drunks like Hack Wilson, druggies like Steve Howe, tax-evaders like Denny McClain, and even a squanderer of talent like Mantle….but white people are never lazy.

It’s statistically amazing, really…

by Zaius on Mar 3, 2011 12:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I think sabermetrics has proven it

On the average, white players have higher GRIT than non-white players. David Eckstein holds the Angels franchise record for GRIT. Orlando Hudson had the highest GRIT of any non-white player last year, but he still came in behind Dustin Pedroia, who spent half the season on the disabled list.

by Suboptimal on Mar 3, 2011 12:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Nelson Briles!!!!

I think he was white and possibly a little on the lazy side.

Whew, I feel better.

by Zaius on Mar 3, 2011 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Bingo!

I don’t know how I missed that fat, lazy bastard.

I don’t think Napoli is white though.

by Zaius on Mar 3, 2011 12:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I think Napoli comps with Jeffrey Leonard very closely.

by Zaius on Mar 3, 2011 1:09 AM PST up reply actions  

You know, in terms of a prison face

Gosh they had funny nicknames for players in the old days…

by Zaius on Mar 3, 2011 1:25 AM PST up reply actions  

You definitely

got that right…

Representing the Angels in Sin City.

by maze88 on Mar 3, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Your blog is a piece of shit.

No passion, and I bet you didn’t smile when you typed it.

Halos Heaven is run by people with grit and passion, and people who smile when they type.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Mar 3, 2011 7:58 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Rev's smile would have to be surgically removed

"Jeff Mathis is like Robb Quinlan without the sex appeal" - Sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher

by ryanfea on Mar 3, 2011 8:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Rev puts on a minstrel show that we call can enjoy.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Mar 3, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

i thought of were considered lazy when they don't dive

but really i thought there was semi-hate on HH for GA for being lazy before retiring

by Halos in DE on Mar 3, 2011 8:04 AM PST reply actions  

Nope, it is merely a running joke here.

"Jeff Mathis is like Robb Quinlan without the sex appeal" - Sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher

by ryanfea on Mar 3, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Your blog is blocked by my work filter so I can't read it, BUT...

…I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Mar 3, 2011 8:43 AM PST reply actions  

At the risk of being banned, ridiculed, accused of racism, castigated, and outright hated,

I have to say that some of what you wrote struck a chord with me. But most of my negative feelings are directed at his last year on the team, when his WAR was -0.3 and his batting average was .268.

Stats don’t lie, and in checking them on BBRef, I had to admit to myself that he was a better player over his Angels career that I was willing to give him credit for.

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Mar 3, 2011 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

Garret was on the team at an unfortunate time for a player of his style

Silky smooth in the field, appeared to have one speed, soft spoken, a “pro’s pro” (whatever the fuck that actually means, but I can imagine Joe Morgan talking about it), and an effortless swing and general approach to anything on the field. It came easy for him, so it seemed. He was a great player, he didn’t feel the need to tell anyone how great he was.

At the same time, the attention went to our “run through the walls” style of centerfielder, the little engine that could playing shortstop, a roid munching masher at 3rd, and my favorite Angel in right that never dove face first for anything either. Anyone would look lazy standing next to Erstad, Edmonds, hell, this year Tori and Vernon will be the laziest looking players on the field with Bourjous ping ponging around in between them.

Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Mar 3, 2011 10:04 AM PST reply actions  

Monkeywithahalo hates lazy people!

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Mar 3, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

in his memoirs

this moment will be the toughest of his blogging term

Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Mar 3, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

It's "Monkeywithahalo doesn't care about lazy people."

My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Mar 3, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn. I knew I screwed that up.

Note to self: Quit posting after taking vicodin!

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Mar 3, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Pass the "pill" bottle around buddy.

My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Mar 3, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, no

garret anderson was one of my absolute favorite angels, right next to mark langston and gary disarcina, when i was a teenager enjoying the thrill of mediocre baseball broken up with one year that crushed my very soul into teeny pieces.

i never thought of him as lazy until i visited hh, where it’s a term of endearment for a guy that didn’t need to jump all over the outfield like jim edmonds (who i often think of as a bit overrated defensively because of his style – still a great center fielder, but man, he played some fairly ugly good defense).

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Mar 3, 2011 12:17 PM PST reply actions  

+1

You articulated my feelings the way I never could have.

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Mar 3, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I can dig it.

"We are not on an austerity program," Arte Moreno

by thebigtizzle on Mar 4, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I prefer guys with true grit like Reggie Willits

He plays the game the way it was meant to be played. He can:

- Take a walk
- Run full speed down the line on a ground ball out
- Never show up the opposing pitcher by taking a snail’s pace around the bases after a home run
- Sleep in a batting cage located in his living room

Sometimes I wish he’d be a little more passionate and smash a water cooler or the drinking fountain in the home team’s dugout after a bang-bang play at first, but nobody’s perfect.

by Big Easy Halofan on Mar 4, 2011 10:47 AM PST reply actions  

My point exactly

Pretty sure I dislike Willits as much as you do

by Big Easy Halofan on Mar 4, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Oops sorry did not catch the sarcasm

Reggie Willits: The non-tender candidate of my dreams.

by hauldog on Mar 7, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Walks show weakness

Gritty players earn their bases.

by Suboptimal on Mar 4, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

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