Mark Saxon Picks MLBTR's Pocket
So there I was, minding my own business in the taxi line at the train station, flipping through the Twitter to catch up on some Angels news, when along I came upon this otherwise unremarkable piece by Mark Saxon wondering if the team should bench Bobby Abreu for significant stretches this year. I was skimming through to see if there was anything new there, when I did a double-take on this section:
From 1998 to 2009, only nine major-league regulars had a .400 on-base percentage, and only one did it with more than 100 steals (you guessed it).
But things began to unravel for Abreu last year. He batted .255 and his on-base slumped to .352. He had his lowest full-season OPS (.787) ever. He also showed signs of slowing down on the bases (we won't even talk about his outfield play, since he'll mostly DH now). He got caught on the bases nearly 30 percent of the times he tried to steal.
There was something overly familiar about this argument. Sure enough, when I got home and in front of a computer, I figured out what it was: MLB Trade Rumors' Mike Axisa had made the exact same points one week before:
From 1998 through 2009, just nine players in baseball posted an on-base percentage of at least .400 (min. 6,000 PA), and only one did it with more than 100 total steals. That would be Bobby Abreu. [...]
But in 2010, at age 36, the roof started to cave in. Abreu hit .255/.352/.435 overall, his lowest full season OPS ever. Although he still stole 24 bases, he was caught ten times for a 70.5% success rate, well below his 75.8% success rate from '98-'09.
Bold stuff there to indicate exact language matches.
Any fair reading of the two sections screams out, at minimum, some pretty crass appropriation. "[T]he roof started to cave in" becomes "things began to unravel," "70.5% success rate" becomes "he got caught on the bases nearly 30 percent of the times he tried to steal," and so on.
There is no link at Saxon's piece to the source material, which renders some of his statements peculiar. Having elided the "(min. 6,000 PA)" requirement, he just states flatly that "only nine major-league regulars had a .400 on-base percentage" from 1998-2009, even though that would surely be news to Barry Bonds (.496 in 5203 PAs), Jeff Bagwell (.406 in 5021), John Olerud (.400 in 4744) and others. Why does Albert Pujols get listed as one of Saxon's "nine major-league regulars" while Bonds does not? Because Pujols had a mere 879 more plate appearances over the time period, and because Saxon was using parameters he didn't mention, lifted from a piece he didn't credit.
All that is bad enough, if minor on the scale of things. But what really gets my goat is not Saxon, from whom I don't expect much, but the MLBTR guys, from whom I do. Put bluntly, they should really know better than to assert that "the roof started to cave in" on Abreu's offense last year. Why? Because smart people not only avoid helping themselves to other people's original work, they also avoid jumping to conclusions about statistics without adjusting for context. And in this case, the most important piece of context is that the American League last year had its lowest runs per game, batting average, on base percentage, and slugging percentage since 1992 (OBP, in fact, was the lowest it's been since 1990). Yes, this was Abreu's "lowest full season OPS ever," as both Saxon and Axisa put it, but it was also the lowest league OPS he'd ever played in.
So what happens when you adjust for this sharply different context? Nothing caves nor unravels, not remotely. Here is Bobby's OPS+ (that is, OPS adjusted for context) and offensive Wins Above Replacement (which does the same) over the past four years, along with where he ranked in those categories in the American League:
YEAR OPS+ rank oWAR rank
2007: 113 (37th) 3.2 (33rd)
2008: 120 (24th) 3.5 (26th)
2009: 118 (28th) 3.1 (28th)
2010: 116 (26th) 3.0 (28th)
Note the utter absence of trend lines. Yes, Abreu's batting average was down last year, but his isolated power was his highest since 2005, and he was also one of the unluckiest hitters in all of baseball. So not only was Saxon's argument borrowed, it was wrong.
As for the root question -- "Should the Angels use Bobby Abreu sparingly?" -- my answer is this: Only if they want to lose more games in 2011 for the sake of avoiding paying $9 million in 2012 to a player they could (assuming he continues to hit) easily trade at any time. Mike Trout isn't ready, there are other injury risks at the corner OF spots and 1B, and Mark Trumbo will likely never hit in his best year as good as Abreu in his worst. Deliberately sitting Bobby down in favor of inferior hitters just to save some chump change is just the kind of thing that a sportswriter would dream up. Chances of it happening: Slim, none, and fat.
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As always Matt - good stuff.
The underlying ‘borrowing’ of ideas/phrases is annoying, but the bigger issue is what the Halos plan to do with Abreu this year and, in turn, 2012.
I think that Abreu, as a DH, is going to be a solid contributor. If his OBP is anything north of .360, it’s a plus for this team. Shoot, anything north of .340 is a plus for this pathetic-ass offense. So, as long as he doesn’t see a big drop off in the first half of 2011, I’m sure that he’ll be at least serviceable in 2012.
The issue continues to be the Vernon Wells trade. The OF/DH logjam probably isn’t an issue in 2011, but it could be in 2012 and the potential positive contributions that Wells brings to the table over the next four years are minimal. He’s just in the way starting as early as August of 2011.
Also, if the team was set on trading Napoli, waiting until spring training started could have allowed them to get a better return, methinks. Or, who knows, they could have traded him to the Astros (who lost their starting catcher for the year today) for Carlos Lee. So maybe Wells was as good as it could get…
I don’t know…. I’m just rambling and procrastinating on a composition now….
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The wells trade wont kill us, its the damn money
but the Abreu argument is an interesting one. not only were the numbers down in all the AL last year, but having a team wide slump has a big effect on Abreu’s stats as well. you will get different pitches, tired pitchers, and more walks if the team around you is playing better. Simple fact. so his numbers (as well as some other pretty bad slumpers) would likely jump up at least a little this season.
I am looking for bounce back years from Kendrick, Abreu Aybar(not back to 2009, but a bounce up). Also a more comfortable Bourjous whose bat will not stop the presses but be sufficient.
Matt is right especially about one thing. To sacrifice AB’s for Abreu and therefor wins is something the Pirates do to save money, not a serious team.
How come when players go to Texas they revitalize their careers? could it be the roids?
by Sinatrasratpack on Mar 4, 2011 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
Call me crazy
but I see a lot of potential in our offense this year.
Then again, I think we should play Brandon Wood to start the season and give him a month.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Mar 4, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
I may be right, I may be crazy
but I’m with you depending on ST numbers.
Why not invest 2-4 weeks to try to save this team from a slap-hitter thirdbaseman?
Who goofed? I've got to know.
That's a little unfair to Izzy
He’s a little more than a slap-hitter. The dude hits mad line-drives. Besides, he’s going to lead off. He’s just the kind of hitter we want in that spot.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Mar 5, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
El Doble
is a flat out hitter and run producer when he’s healthy. He can get on base, but he’s a threat to rack up bases due to those liners in the gaps.
"We are not on an austerity program," Arte Moreno
We're talking about the guy with the .390 SLG, right?
And .340 OBP? The OBP isn’t decent, and he’s shown infrequent pop, but the guy is a slap hitter. If Wells, Hunter, Abreu, and Morales hit like they’re supposed to, we’ll survive with Izturis taking most of the PA’s at third. If one of them slumps, though, it’s going to be tough to generate offense.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
YeahI agree
He’s not a natural leadoff, but i’ll take his body over Abreu at this point. He thumped a double, but got caught stealing…if he had Bobby’s raw talent he’d be great. But if he can slap a few and setup the bigs, I agree we need them to come through…
"We are not on an austerity program," Arte Moreno
Izzy's gonna lead-off?!?
where’d you get that?!?
Who goofed? I've got to know.
deja vu all over again
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
The Brandon Wood who has a sum total of 5 AB's through 7 ST games?
"Jeff doesn't have his head buried in the sand. He knows it's a defensive position and he brings a lot on the defensive side." - Mike Scioscia, head buried deep in the sand.
That's why I'm not saying it IS going to happen
Just that I would do it.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Mar 5, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
If your crazine
Angels Baseball--"A collusion of one"-Sam Miller
by autry's cowboys on Mar 5, 2011 2:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Downright nuts
Angels Baseball--"A collusion of one"-Sam Miller
by autry's cowboys on Mar 5, 2011 2:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I would agree, except
we already have a really weak 7-9, and adding Wood into the mix would almost be unbearable. We’d most likely have to have Abreu lead off, which also means he’s not going to drive in as many runs, so he’s a little bit handcuffed.
I’m not sure we have the luxury of letting a month go by to let Wood prove himself. I’d rather play Izzy until he gets hurt, then let Brandon have a crack at it.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Mar 5, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Rex Hudler said on his show today about hitters in ST, "If you don't whack, you won't be back!"
"It's our money," owner Arte Moreno said.
Ah, yes: The Cochran Principle
A corollary of the Sharpton Theorem.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Mar 7, 2011 4:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Both of which are diminutives of The Man with the Crown Maxim
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Mar 7, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
oops
maybe they collaborated?
yeah, collaboration…that’s the ticket.
Well, come see a fat old man some time!
they were sitting together at Del Taco
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
Had I been your editor, I might have recommended another lede:
Mark Saxon Picks MLBTR’s (Empty) Pocket
"Jeff doesn't have his head buried in the sand. He knows it's a defensive position and he brings a lot on the defensive side." - Mike Scioscia, head buried deep in the sand.
I'm not intersted in doing the homework, but I'm sure
the topic of the whole matter of Abreu splitting time at DH in order that he not accrue 433 PA’s was thoroughly debunked here at HH long before the article by Axisa; I recall commenting on it myself. The fact that these guys ritually borrow from one another’s scriptures daily, not weekly, has become expected norm.
The real nugget I find in your piece, Matt, is the OPS+/oWAR rank chart you provide. I don’t recall anyone ever showing us that info before, and it’s striking…
The idea of not playing him should be a non-starter...
It’s not only that you need a well balanced player to get on base and move the bases, but you need a leader to spread that mentality during games. He ratches up too many offensive numbers to sit. It really makes no sense, either, to eat 21m in order to get better but be petty about 9m when presumable it kicks in when a good player gets ABs. Hopefully, the team doesn’t spend time on this. Bobby will be the last piece on someones team next year who will glady pick up the 9m if we don’t want him. He’s goof enough to be good at 38.
"We are not on an austerity program," Arte Moreno
That's how I write papers...but I think my paraphrasing is much better than Saxon's.
The Devil went down to Georgia, and all I got was this gold fiddle. Go Angels!
After the Vernon Wells deal
I’m just not as concerned with the Halos financial picture as I was a few months back. Their plan makes zero sense, but hey, it’s not my money. We’re all just Monday morning QBs anyhow. If Abreu rebounds to something in-between the 2009 and 2010 stats, then allowing his contract to vest is going to be worth it. Even if he maintains his stats from 2010, his OBP and gap power are still a bright spot. Bobby appears to be well-liked in the locker room and didn’t raise a stink like many others who were asked to focus on DH or utility positions (looking at you Vladdy, Matsui, and Michael Young). I think Bobby is going to have an excellent year as DH with spot outfield duty, and if Abreu is hitting, we aren’t going to care one iota about his 2012 contract.
The Devil went down to Georgia, and all I got was this gold fiddle. Go Angels!
Adding to that
For those worried about Trout being blocked by our aging, overpriced OF/DH situation in 2012, remember that he will just be one injury to a mid-30s guy away from having a lineup slot.
Bingo.
Trout won’t be 20 until August, if I recall. He may be able to walk on water and turn it into wine, but he’ll barely be 21 by the dog days o’ summer next year. These things have their way of sorting themselves out.
The Devil went down to Georgia, and all I got was this gold fiddle. Go Angels!
I am seriously confused
as to whether I am more amused by Matt calling out Saxon for not having an original thought, or MLBTR for having a bad one. I have bad thoughts all the time and very few are original. But that is corporate America where original thought and innovation are punished and stealing others’ thoughts (without IP infringement) is rewarded. The trick is to be able to attribute the bad thoughts to someone else and take credit for any good ones.
Maybe Saxon missed his calling and should be developing new soft-drink formulas for us.
Well, come see a fat old man some time!
Corporate America? How about our schools.
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
The major differences is
the schools will at least out up a front that they discourage, corporations make you a vice-president.
Well, come see a fat old man some time!
he's a sharp one that Matt Welch is
Makes me wonder if Saxon is a first time offender or not
go long with extenze...i do
I think he's been called out before here. Maybe not, only his crappy opinions.
I doubt if he’s a plagiarism virgin.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
Whatever you do ....
“From 1998 to 2009, only nine major-league regulars had a .400 on-base percentage, and only one did it with more than 100 steals”
don’t bat him lead-off. That would just be horrible.
The Plagiarism and erroneous journalism aside, I find the most overriding aspect of this Fanpost to be the precipitous drop in OBP.
Is this the result of some massive season anomaly? Or has there been some corresponding drop in average and/or power nos.? Does this mean the pitchers are more precise? Or are not afraid to throw strikes because they are not so worried about giving up the Long Ball?
…….Inquiring minds want to know……….
From the optimist's mind.
The drop in OBP correlates with both the drop in his BA and the leagues offensive numbers as a whole dropping.
in an equal number of PA from 2009 to 2010 he only walked seven less times. His strike zone judgement is just as good as it ever was, he just had less hits falling in last year (thanks to career low LD%).
bottom line, he goes back to hitting line drives, his numbers will come back up.
NOT MY QUINNY!!!!
There have been theories
One of the most interesting being the reduced diameter of the bat, but there may be no single cause for the drop in offense. Historically, these things tend to happen once in awhile.
The smaller bat thing was de-bunked
turned out that the rule change didn’t actually change anything, since everyone was already using bats that met the new rule’s criteria prior to 2010.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Mar 8, 2011 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Good to know
I was suspicious of that story, since I would have expected changing the bat in MLB would have generated as much attention as when the NBA changed the basketball.

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