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Angels Barbycued in KC, Lose in Extras

The Angels battled back from terrible starting pitching only to blow a nice late-inning lead and lose in extras. FInal Score in Kansas City: Angels 9, Royals 12 in 13 unlucky innings. Royals take the series three games to one, and that one would have been a walkoff Royals win if a deep Alex Gordon foul ball had been about eight feet to the right.

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On the great Mike Scioscia teams of the first decade of the 21st century you would rarely see the Angels score a lot of runs in a loss. they would get blown out alright and they would lose lots of close games where they scored three or four runs. But if an Angels team form 200-2009 scored seven or more runs, they inevitably won. Sunday's terrible extra inning loss in Kansas City illustrated just how un-Angelic this current Angels team is. They needed both a terrible start from Scott Kazmir, death by a thousand cuts from the middle innings bullpen leaking a run here and a run there, and then the second meltdown of the game in the 9th inning with Fernando Rodney blowing a save.

Some of the isolated numbers are laughable until they add up to a highway of sobbing for our winning yesterdays. Scott Kazmir faced only fourteen batters and seven of them reached base. He left before the end of the 2nd inning. Fernando Rodney walked 3 batters, allowed one hit and only recorded one out.

Jeff Mathis reminded everyone on earht that he is a stinking pile of garbage masquerading as a human being. There were seven stolen bases in the game by the Royals. There were no Caught-Stealings. In Arlington Today, no Red Sox, not even Carl Crawford, attempted to steal off of Mike Napoli behind the Rangers' dish. And they were in a close game where it might have mattered. Thanks Tony Reagins, you are a sniveling worm.

When Angels announcers Victor Rojas and Mark Gubicza noted that Royals starter Bruce Chen was in his tenth organization in baseball, a glimmer of hope arrived. Down 5-0 they fought back tied the game and went ahead. The wind was blowing out and it was, after all, Kansas City. Well, they aren't in Kansas City anymore, having lost three of four games in the Missouri town of misery.

There might be plenty good to say about the Angels scoring nine runs, but with Chen and Wind and all kinds of missed opportunities, it is hard to be positive. A DFA of Scott Kazmir and Fernando Rodney would immediately improve this team, especially if it were followed by a callup of Matt Palmer and Trevor Bell, with Frankie-2 on standby in the Salt Lake pen. But it is going to get worse before it gets better.

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Yes, add Soth to the poll please.

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Apr 3, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well...............it just might be time for me to realize..............

this is going to be a long season……………….

Glad I’ll be busy most of the time.

The score dictated they pass

by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 3, 2011 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

This looks like a team

That could lose 90 games this season

Jeff Mathis Batting Average Watch: .154

by ryanfea on Apr 3, 2011 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

100 possible, except our offense/defense is too good

But unless Scioscia gets his head out of his ass, puts Kaz in the pen, replace him in the rotation with Takahashi. No need to bring up Bell or Palmer and let Kaz work out his hit shit in the pen.

And NOBODY should be taking the ball in the 9th except for Jordan Walden.

Don't call me Bugs. Although Bugs Bunny could do it all on the baseball field.

by highlandhalo on Apr 3, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know about you

But I don’t want Kazmir anywhere near late innings. Come up with an injury and send him to SLC where he can’t do us any damage

by Bolt Deck on Apr 3, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

DFA

that’s the answer to the problem. Don’t let emotions get in the way.

by eyespy on Apr 3, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't understand how we have emotions.

He isn’t from our system, the most noteworthy thing he ever did was get blasted in the playoffs. He hasn’t ever beasted on our team or on any team since 2008 or so. Are we emotional about him pitching well in September when we traded him?

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Apr 4, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

traded for him*

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Apr 4, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kaz = Mop up man

Ahhh... Yes... Finally back home in SoCal!!!

by stuck in Romania on Apr 4, 2011 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

FRodney

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Apr 3, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

KAZ AND FROD

should have to share this equally.

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by semperfi1645 on Apr 3, 2011 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I add Scioscia and break it into thirds.

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Apr 3, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

F-Rod

No contest.

The Angels are ill-served by a front office that willfully disregards both modern and classic performance measurements when it comes to Jeff Mathis. Astonishing, and nearly unforgiveable.

by LittleCupcakes on Apr 3, 2011 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

So far this season

is following 2010 in lock-step

Light up that cactus / dumpster / halo!!

by blast21dave on Apr 3, 2011 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, crap.

At least we have a day to recover before we do this again, huh?

"To Halowood - Avoid the Clap." - Jimmy Dugan

by Angelsfan015 on Apr 3, 2011 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Holy shit is Rodney terrible.

Fuck Rodney. He needs to go away.

Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.

by Teixeira Who? on Apr 3, 2011 4:00 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

maybe if he could put on his hat straight

that would be a start.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Apr 3, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

2 of them

directly let 4 runs cross

Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Apr 3, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's just say he has no fleet feet.

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Apr 3, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

he got to both of them

neither was routine but both were gacked after touching leather.

by Rev Halofan on Apr 3, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

All of the Above

Light up that cactus / dumpster / halo!!

by blast21dave on Apr 3, 2011 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

That. Was. Ugly.

BOTG goes to all of the above.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Apr 3, 2011 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

tori hunter 1/7

8 LOB

Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Apr 3, 2011 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Fangraphs:

Puts Rodney at -.750. Amazing.

In second is Torii and his 1-7 with a -.452

by ZiK on Apr 3, 2011 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Ok, seriously.

Wood, Petit, Conger, Wilson, Aybar.

Why wasn’t one of those guys put in at some point?

If they can’t hit well enough to pinch hit (say, for Mathis, who is hitting .150 this season) then they shouldn’t be on a MLB roster, period!!!!

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by matthiasstephan on Apr 3, 2011 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Wrong!

He’s hitting .154!

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by ryanfea on Apr 3, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

Didn’t Wood even hit better than that last season?

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by matthiasstephan on Apr 3, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

aybar has a sore left side

Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Apr 3, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

My comment goes to Soth

not Aybar. Didn’t hear that he was injured, but the point is, why in 14 innings don’t you pinch hit/run, ever?

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by matthiasstephan on Apr 3, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

i dont know the answer to that one

scioscia is convinced the only person that can catch for this team is mathis, and it’s been apparent for years that his arrogance and hard head will not listen to reason or logic. he wasn’t this bad when bud black and maddon were around.

Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Apr 3, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

So true

Remember when Sosh would run platoons, pinch hit, double switch, pinch run… all that “NL-style” ball that supposedly gave his team an edge over the rest of the complacent AL? Where has our creativity gone? Was it Maddon the whole time?

by dmhead on Apr 4, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

The Angels have 3 catchers there is no reason not to pinch hit for Mathis.

by LAA of A Fan on Apr 3, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

the good thing is that our starting pitching last

1.2 innings
BLOG – Kazsucki

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by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 3, 2011 4:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Ahh

I know it is only early April, but we either need to make a drastic change or we might as well have a f’ing firesale…

RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09

by vlad IS my man on Apr 3, 2011 4:02 PM PDT reply actions  

YES!

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Apr 3, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scioscia.

Not voting for the above choices. This is on Mike and his atrocious roster management, his roleplaying, and his egregious stupidity.

If Rodney isn’t closing, this isn’t an issue.

by Turks Teeth on Apr 3, 2011 4:02 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Sing it

He needs to stop managing as if he has the 2005 roster.

by mattwelch on Apr 3, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw that, and I was right with you in that thread, flash.

“It’d be easy to send Conger to AAA and keep Palmer up so as not to overwork our pen at the beginning of the season, like we did last season — to terrible results.”

But here we are again, repeating the same mistakes, the same way.

And with a closer who blew ONE IN THREE SAVES last season. How can Sscioscia not learn?

by Turks Teeth on Apr 3, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but he saved Thompson for that...

The bigger issue is only having guys throw 1/3 of an inning. Like Kohn. There is no reason to limit a guy to the last out of an inning. He has already warmed up. Giving him 28 pitches instead of 12 is foolish.

Scioscia is definitely loosing his luster, and I kinda can’t stand him, but this isn’t a huge deal. Of course, him not USING a backup catcher is a problem. But 11 pitchers should be enough if he manages the pen appropriately.

RIP Nick...

Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home

by jimmuscomp on Apr 3, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

i predict

1-160
one game rained out
thank god for that

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by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 3, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

and HK hitting 120 solo HR's

Ahhh... Yes... Finally back home in SoCal!!!

by stuck in Romania on Apr 4, 2011 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope

Angels bailed him out (surprisingly) but when you walk the bases loaded and FAIL, yeah Fraudney this one’s on you

Light up that cactus / dumpster / halo!!

by blast21dave on Apr 3, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Kaz doesn't blow it

game would’ve been a blowout. Kaz blew it imo. Those free passes were ridiculous though…

by oceangate316 on Apr 3, 2011 4:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Weren't there 2 outs at that point?

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by matthiasstephan on Apr 3, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

There were 2 outs, so at that point any run to cross the plate is considered unearned…since there should have been 3 outs already recorded

by homercles on Apr 3, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

ah okay that makes sense

Jeff Mathis Batting Average Watch: .154

by ryanfea on Apr 3, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate to admit it being a big fan of sosh

but it seems like his message really isn’t working anymore (the team just looks so sloopy). Every coach reaches a point where they become less effective and this may be that point where he should go somewhere else and we should have new leadership.

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by semperfi1645 on Apr 3, 2011 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I agreed with you 100% up to...
he should go somewhere else and we should have new leadership

I’m not going THAT far just yet.

Scioscia needs to go back to the drawing board and make a change in his philosophy.

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Apr 3, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Philosophies can change

But habits… that’s another story. Based on how fat Mike is I’m gonna go out on a limb and say he’s no stranger to bad habits.

my signature sucks

by proletariat on Apr 3, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

For a guy often celebrated as baseball's Aristotle

That is easier said than done. He’s not going to change. The only thing to do is fire him or diminish his influence in the organization. I’d go with the latter.

by Suboptimal on Apr 3, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's going to require Arte manning up and acting like a majority stakeholder.

Which starts with getting a smart, imposing GM with a personality and some drive — who has the power to overrule Scioscia.

I still don’t know how Tony and Mike got him to roll over like a bichon frise at the puppy bowl and piss out $81M on a shirt filled with straw just days after moaning about the price of Beltre.

by Turks Teeth on Apr 3, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Groupthink

None of us is as dumb as all of us.

By the way, Turk, what’s your name doing at the bottom of the page? It wasn’t there a few hours ago.

by Suboptimal on Apr 3, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hah, that's the first I noticed it.

I did see a magic frontpage checkbox a couple days ago and exercised the option.

I thank you for that — and I owe you a call. Sorry — my week filled up with cruft quickly.

I’ll need that moniker “author” soon enough.

by Turks Teeth on Apr 3, 2011 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

on the brighter side

bulger didn’t give up a grand slam today

Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Apr 3, 2011 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

rangers have a better hitting squad

and a much better bullpen

their crack smoking manager isn’t as dumb as ours at the moment

Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Apr 3, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

pass the pipe to Sosh then to Tony.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Apr 3, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Royals pen looked good before today, and pitched out of tough situation after tough situation.

I know that the Royals aren’t exactly baseball’s chosen ones, but I wonder if we wouldn’t have gone at least 2-1 against the Sox while the Rangers would have gone 1-3 or 2-2 against these Royals this week.

Basically I’m ready to face a new team (after a day off to recover), and I expect the next time we face the Royals they’ll have fallen back to earth and we’ll have picked up some momentum again. It kills me to lose 3/4 to start the season, but now we move on.

by AlanFalcon on Apr 3, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

How dare you bring a level head

into this bitchfest

I play music for your entertainment

by Seik1177 on Apr 4, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can't even listen to post game show on the radio.

Too depressing.

"To Halowood - Avoid the Clap." - Jimmy Dugan

by Angelsfan015 on Apr 3, 2011 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

If I was the owner

Rodney & Kazmir and Butcher would be gone tonight

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by ryanfea on Apr 3, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I was the owner
instead of signing Rodney, I would’ve signed Valverde 2 years ago.

by phoenix15 on Apr 3, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Butcher needs to go

ever since he stepped in our bullpen has gone to shit….correlation?

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by semperfi1645 on Apr 3, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ditto

Well, I don’t know about Butcher. But you don’t keep shitty players around just because they’re overpaid. Kind of defeats the whole purpose, if you think about it.

by mattwelch on Apr 3, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

SOME GOOD NEWS:

This is the last year of Fernando Rodney’s contract.

HURRAH!

Years later, Clutch still needs to chill.
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by cardinalwraith on Apr 3, 2011 4:07 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

and the first year of Vernon Well's

All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.

by Quad Fin Rider on Apr 3, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

we still got a few more years of Kaz too

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by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 3, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

thank god no

12:$13.5M club option ($2.5M buyout)

by LosAngel on Apr 3, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

rec

turn it green

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by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 3, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good move.

"To Halowood - Avoid the Clap." - Jimmy Dugan

by Angelsfan015 on Apr 3, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

They are FUNNY on mute...

because all I “hear” Billy Mac saying when his lips are moving is “12-year-old, blonde” over and over. It’s hysterical.

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Apr 3, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hate the dodgers.....

so i do tend to root for the giants…plus they have an awesome stadium

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by semperfi1645 on Apr 3, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been in the Bay Area for awhile, so I have a soft spot for them.

Plus, any enemy of the A’s is a friend of mine.

Years later, Clutch still needs to chill.
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by cardinalwraith on Apr 3, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Apr 3, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have a friend that has been badgering me into being a Phillies fan

I might accept.

"Yes but" is the best way on earth to stay broke and subservient -Rev. Halofan

by Greyson Peltier on Apr 3, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

i love you man!

I actually had more fun watching the 1986 ALCS game 5 on MLB network (instead of Kazmir’s first shit-the-bed innings)…

They had Grich, Hurst and Hendu talking about the game. Awesome to hear some of the stories they told. What a heartbreak of a game, worse than the pain from today, so today didn’t hurt me all that bad.

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Apr 3, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

DOV

finally speaking with some sense

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by ryanfea on Apr 3, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

This game was a complete waste of life.

Not an enjoyable team to watch. $140M of waste.

by Turks Teeth on Apr 3, 2011 4:09 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

there isn't one "must watch" hitter on the team

i like to watch haren, weaver, walden pitch.
i like howie more than any other hitter on the team with morales out.

it’s just a waste of payroll though, for the most part.

it’s alright though, i’ve watched much shittier looking angels squads than this, and survived. At least they have 3 good starters currently.

Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Apr 3, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Mets of the AL West

Lots of payroll invested in bad, aging players, some of whom aren’t even in baseball anymore.

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by scareduck on Apr 3, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Harsh, and deserved

The Angels are in denial about the talent they’ve accumulated. It isn’t good enough, and it’s way too expensive.

by mattwelch on Apr 3, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Results up...

small pickings

どうだこのやろう!

by scottnak on Apr 3, 2011 4:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow

only 3 HH’ers scored today. Sounds like how the halos did today

Light up that cactus / dumpster / halo!!

by blast21dave on Apr 3, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess MLB-TV was pretty smart

in having a policy of no refunds on the unused part of the subscription.

Next year I am going to claim that $119.99 as a gift to a charity since the Angels seem to be giving everything to those with lesser means.

AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH We could have been 4 – 0 with a bull pen like we used to have.

by Unclearnie on Apr 3, 2011 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Anyone who uses Twitter:

I recommend we start #firereagins as a meme. We need a new GM, stat.

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by cardinalwraith on Apr 3, 2011 4:15 PM PDT reply actions  

follow me and i will fire him myself

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by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 3, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm tweeting this page w/ such hashtag

http://www.twitter.com/GreysonNation

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by Greyson Peltier on Apr 3, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like.

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by cardinalwraith on Apr 3, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

coming into this season
wasn’t the BP supposed to have significantly improved?

by phoenix15 on Apr 3, 2011 4:16 PM PDT reply actions  

yes

and the newer guys did well for the most part (Takahashi, Walden & Thompson). The biggest addition (Downs) hasn’t pitched yet. So, the bullpen may very well be improved. A major problem is with how it’s being used.

by jjackflash on Apr 3, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Manager of the Year?

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Apr 3, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

same number of blown saves this year

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by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 3, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Burning At Stake>Drawing and Quartering?

The Angels are ill-served by a front office that willfully disregards both modern and classic performance measurements when it comes to Jeff Mathis. Astonishing, and nearly unforgiveable.

by LittleCupcakes on Apr 3, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or from a glass half empty approach...

…Hitting is good (but it is against KC so will probably regress)

Bullpen is woeful (and it’s still against KC so will probably get worse)

Lose and, if you will, lose

I see red people

by The Limey on Apr 3, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

We scored 9 runs in 3 games against shite pitchers

Put up a 9-spot with the wind blowing against Bruce Chen. Not impressed. We’ll look terrible once we actually face a good pitcher.

by mattwelch on Apr 3, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

PLUS, I think the Royals don’t win another series for the next MONTH…

They were facing a clearly weaker opponent, our beloved Angels.

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Apr 3, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed.

the runs today were smoke and mirrors. hopefully i’m proven wrong, but I don’t suddenly forget the same offense putting up a 1 spot against jeff f’n francis.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Apr 3, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Continuing to spiral downward since the end of the 2009 season.

Thank you F.O. and thank you Arte Moreno.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Apr 3, 2011 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

until revenue losses are greater than his salary.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Apr 3, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

They'll wait until he's 1-11

That’s basically how long they waited with WTE. SInce it’s Kazmir, they’ll probably wait until 1-15 to make sure he can “figure things out.”

Turn the page.

Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.

by Clutch on Apr 3, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

My over/under for his last start

May 15, or whatever the closest start would be to that date.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Apr 3, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rodney needs to be DFA'd.

Getting him out of the “closer” role will only move to the problem to the 7th or 8th. Runs are runs, no matter the inning.

DFA rodney, DFA kaz, bring in bell and palmer.

I’m guessing the reason these two haven’t lost their jobs is because the FO wants to save face. Not sure how you can save face with the production they’re getting from these two.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Apr 3, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Soth won't let it happen

Soth manages based on every player having a role. He may, at some point, move Rodney out of the closer role – but there’s no way he is DFA’d during the season.

by mustard_man on Apr 3, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, of course he won't.

What SHOULD happen and what will happen are two entirely different situations.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Apr 3, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome post...

you are usually ultra-negative, but I am seriously on board for your justified downer-ism today.

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Apr 3, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unfair accusation.

I’m only negative when there’s nothing to be positive about.

You should’ve seen me in 2002. I was doing the Irish jig!

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Apr 3, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha!

Okay, I’ll give you that! ;)

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Apr 3, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

can someone people prevent him from ever throwing for the angels again

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by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 3, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

the only Sicilians I know have no Mafia ties. The injustice!

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Apr 3, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

NAP

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by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 3, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I neglected to buy tickets when individual games went on sale...

i am strongly considering not going to ANY games, even when the diamond club is down to sub-$10 price range.

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Apr 3, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wanted to see Walden close too...but...

We need Walden, Thompson, Downs throwing the high leverage innings. If hats the 7th or 9th should matter.

If Scioscia would have let Kohn throw the 8th too, the Walden throws the 9th. Both high leverage situations. But committing to Rodney in the 9th forces the better arms earlier into the game regardless of situation.

RIP Nick...

Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home

by jimmuscomp on Apr 3, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reagins won't get fired during the season

Arte just won’t do it, regardless of how many games are lost.

by mustard_man on Apr 3, 2011 4:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Join the revolution, everyone:

Use the #firereagins hashtag, like so:

http://twitter.com/#!/payoffpitchblog/status/54691164883918848

Years later, Clutch still needs to chill.
The Payoff Pitch Blog

by cardinalwraith on Apr 3, 2011 4:48 PM PDT reply actions  

You're cool.

I’m gonna call you cool-o…

Representing the Angels in Sin City.

by maze88 on Apr 3, 2011 5:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Chill wraith, chill!

Man I was wondering if I would ever get to say that.

But you’re probably right.

Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.

by Clutch on Apr 3, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do the hashtags do exactly?

I use twitter, but have never used the hashtags.

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Apr 3, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

They are how topics

start trending. Basically it highlights the word or subject and causes it to become a searchable topic.

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by Seik1177 on Apr 4, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

AT this point it is clearly overwhelmingly apparent

That if this team expects to win this year, Rodney needs to lose his closer job. We are going to see game after game after repeated where after our offense puts it all on the line, Rodney comes in and blows the save. We don’t need an entire month of evaluation to see this. HE has to go and he has to go now.

by firebird81 on Apr 3, 2011 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

rec'ed for flagging hope

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by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 3, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

no you dont

game 4 of the season and we suck
bullpen sucks
kaz sucks
slap hitting infield sucks
and the hot beer sucks

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by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 3, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

the slap hitting infield got all our hits

it’s the supposed power hitters who suck, ie Torii and Ernest

"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota

by Fred Fredrix on Apr 3, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will say the slap hitting infield has NOT

been the problem.

Howie, Izzy, Callaspo, Aybar and Trumbo have combined for 14 XBH in 4 games. It’s been that we are paying Kaz, Wells, and Fraudney a boatload of money to be worse than replacement players.

by MH252525 on Apr 3, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is Sosh

Seeing that we aren’t? Hasn’t Kaz sucked long enough to at least move him to the bullpen or down to AAA? Or if he’s out of options release him? And why isn’t Walden closing yet? Seem’s he’s pretty much our only reliable bullpen arm…

by Kody M on Apr 3, 2011 5:24 PM PDT reply actions  

See, Kaz was ONCE GREAT

Therefore, he must be great again—if we just give him enough starts to let him figure himself out. I think that’s the thinking.

Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.

by Clutch on Apr 3, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

That said, it's one start.

As much as it sucked, and even with last season, I can see the logic in not giving up on him after the very first start of the season. If Kendry comes back and hits .200 for a month we’re not going to be calling for his head. That said, I say one more start and Kazmir’s done.

Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.

by Clutch on Apr 3, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah yes, the Mike Witt syndrome

A once solid starter completely falls off the cliff for one reason or another and the desperate team continues to throw him out there hoping he finds that lost(used up)magic. Kazmir’s gonna get a few more starts, so brace yourselves.

by aces666high on Apr 3, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah yes, the "Kazmir will figure it out theory"

We have dismissed that claim.

Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.

by Clutch on Apr 3, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately the powers that be haven't dismissed it

I’m sure there’s a dozen chalkboards with a bunch of “what if he moves his arm this way 1 inch?” hypothesis scattered in the bowels of the Big “A”. Sigh…

by aces666high on Apr 3, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably so.

SIgh.

Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.

by Clutch on Apr 4, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sciossia will wait

and wait and wait until we lose a bunch of more games before he makes any changes. Still wants to see if Rodney ,Kazmir,and Bulger can turn it around. Are you kidding me!?
Nobody else would take these guys for free! But its okay its early and wins don’t mean as much right now, right?

by CaptainCarlos on Apr 3, 2011 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow.

I don’t even have a feeble, failed attempt at wit or sarcasm.

I didn’t think it would be possible for the team to look THAT much worse than last season, not after all the BIG SPLASHES the Angels made.

But IT is happening.

by RedFog on Apr 3, 2011 5:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Front office is

thinking that they can’t pay 20 milion for these guys to be sitting at home. So pay them 20 mil and lose games for us. That is double the fun.

by CaptainCarlos on Apr 3, 2011 5:49 PM PDT reply actions  

** Terry Smith's voice **

Good News!

The Angels are playing well enough to keep out of falling to 5th place!

(( And it sucks listening to local radio and hearing talk of how well the Doyers are playing and about to take 3 of 4 from the World Seriers Champs while the Angels lose 3 of 4 to a AA club – Los Angeles city now might sue to get the name LA taken OUT of the Angels name ))

by RedFog on Apr 3, 2011 5:52 PM PDT reply actions  

It's rumored the Dodgers are holding out...

…and despite Tony offering 18M and a second round pick, they Doyers think they can get a two first round picks and 19M.

Tony has yet to read his email – so there is hope Sub!

by RedFog on Apr 3, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not fair to the Angels fans

to have to sit back and watch this team lose when we all know what the big reason is for that. i can’t be the only one yelling “why are these guys still on the team!!”

by CaptainCarlos on Apr 3, 2011 5:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, despite still being a fan of a team...how many casuals do you think REGRET

spending any $$$ on tickets to an upcoming game after now seeing the product at it’s best.

I can root for free from home, even if the positive moments are difficult to find. $$$ are not going a long way these days and I bet at this rate, the pan of the seats this season might look like the Sahara at times.

Charlie Sheen tickets or Angel tickets… Hmmm.

by RedFog on Apr 3, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

My hopes have been dashed.

I know I know it’s only 4 games but seriously this team is managed to lose. I don’t understand what these bumbling fools in the front office and dugout see. I know it’s not us fans being critical we are now speaking truth. It is gettin beyond ridiculous and some major changes need to happen, sadly they won’t.

Bring on the OREO Line!

by angelskid2210 on Apr 3, 2011 5:59 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

lyle spencer

pre-game saturday, on am 830, was asked what the key to 2011 was… surprise surprise, jeff mathis.

I forgot the exact words were, but he described mathis in very flowery terms… almost a love poem.

What does this have to do with todays game? Nothing. But that hack lyle can ram his keyboard up his ass and jump off a cliff.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Apr 3, 2011 6:03 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Lyle sounds like Jeff might his long lost son too

I’m starting to suspect that the fatherhood Jeff Mathis may have been a group effort, the natural consequence of too many 1980s key chain parties that at least Sosh should have had the good sense to stay away from.

All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.

by Quad Fin Rider on Apr 3, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You should see Lyle's postgame from today

It was like the Angels won the game. I would point out the part where he credits Mathis for a key out that advanced a baserunner, but he seems to have since scrubbed the story clean of even that questionable reference to reality.

by Suboptimal on Apr 3, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lyle must have a pharmaceutical clause in his contract:

Happy pills by the case required for writing daily positive articles about this team…He’s gonna need a truckload by the All Star Break

by hbhalofan on Apr 3, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're on to something...

sosh knocks up lyle… gives birth to demon spawn.

It’s like Rosmary’s Baby meets Junior.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Apr 3, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow. Check out Dustin Moseley's pitching line for today.

I would say just a little bit better than Kazmir’s.

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Apr 3, 2011 6:07 PM PDT reply actions  

but he gets paid less

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by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 3, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

I didn’t even know he was still pitching.

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Apr 3, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

he will be good this year facing number 5 starters and in Petco

the worst of all new ballpacks

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by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 3, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

He looks like their number three starter.

Don’t be surprised if he wins a Cy Young pitching in Petco. Possible National League MVP.

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Apr 3, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scioscia speaks
“Some guys did a terrific job on the mound and gave us a chance to win,” Scioscia said, "and some didn’t. There are some things we’re going to sort out. We need to change some things.

That might have been easier to do about six months ago.

“We’re four games [and three losses] into this, and you definitely want to balance guys getting their feet on the ground with performance. We need to find some chemistry down in the ’pen. We do have some missing pieces, if you want to evaluate it correctly. We do miss [Scott] Downs. Some guys who need to throw the ball are not throwing the ball well now.”
You hear that everyone? Just learn to play better!
“Right now,” Scioscia said, “he doesn’t have velocity or command — and that’s something that has to sort itself out.”
This fills me with confidence that it will, whatever it is.

by Suboptimal on Apr 3, 2011 6:36 PM PDT reply actions  

He's starting to talk like Tony.

(Though it could be the other way around.)

It’s a passive, Tao-of-Tony, “when spring comes the grass grows by itself” sort of mumble.

It’s the sound of a man with a nice paycheck and complete job security, passing time, like the evanescent seasons. What year is it again?

by Turks Teeth on Apr 3, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well it's spring and my grass looks like shit.

Sort of like this team.

God #@%^ Mother F@#$in' Reagins! You make Omar Minaya look good.

by Monkeyspanked on Apr 3, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like sosh's approach. It can be applied to other professions.

teacher to failing student - “Just get better grades.”
judge to career criminal
“stop breaking the law.”
dominos pizza manager to DOV— “learn to love your job.”

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Apr 3, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

i wish i worked for Dominos

free pizza

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by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 3, 2011 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

close friend works for Dominoe's in 2011

occasional free pizza.

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Apr 4, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had friends who delivered pizzas in high school

Free pizza all the time. Love mom & pop pizza parlors

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by Seik1177 on Apr 4, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sort itself out

wow! Someone should tell the front office that pretty soon fans showing up to the big A will sort itself out too!

by CaptainCarlos on Apr 3, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Goat of the game...

Scioscia. Always has the wrong player in the game at the wrong time.

by waters96 on Apr 3, 2011 6:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I was unable to watch today or yesterday for that matter--a blessing in disguise

But after today I am just looking forward to football season. (or at least to when they call up Trout) PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG ANGLES.

So I'm not quite the fair weather fan I thought I was but the Angels still better win or I'm going to a Bee's game instead of watching!

by Halo84653 on Apr 3, 2011 6:47 PM PDT reply actions  

NFL will not happen this year

i hope you like college footbal and the option

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by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 3, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love CFB--don't watch NFL

So I'm not quite the fair weather fan I thought I was but the Angels still better win or I'm going to a Bee's game instead of watching!

by Halo84653 on Apr 4, 2011 4:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's the problem

The team we’ve been watching is the “ANGLES,” not the “Angels” . . .
;-]

by Raaddad on Apr 3, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, but I like to watch the kids play and can take joy in their success even if the team sucks.

So I'm not quite the fair weather fan I thought I was but the Angels still better win or I'm going to a Bee's game instead of watching!

by Halo84653 on Apr 4, 2011 4:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

These last four spring training games have been brutal.

Cant wait for the season to start.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Apr 3, 2011 7:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Wells

needs to be told the season has started already.

by CaptainCarlos on Apr 3, 2011 7:37 PM PDT reply actions  

I was at Kauffman this weekend and even the BBQ left a a bad taste in my mouth.

I also attended the 1st series in KC last year……..Halos got swept then even with KendryS playing. Sat a couple of rows behind Reagins during the 1st game, I said “how ya doin’” and got a curt nod for my effort. Mind you, not another red cap wearer within 10 rows. Is he that fan friendly at the big A? Oh yeah, didn’t he play Will Smith’s cousin in Fresh Prince of Bel-Air?

All in all this was a fucking sh***y series. This team appears to have very little enthusiasm along with a WE"RE DOOMED! frame of mind. “Sorting it out” won’t. Something drastic needs to take place. Wells didn’t even come out onto the field to stretch out after the team put on game jerseys. Arte listen to me!!!!!

Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill!!

by OMAHALO FAN on Apr 3, 2011 8:51 PM PDT reply actions  

IS HAVING RELIEVERS THAT CAN THROW STRIKES TOO MUCH TO ASK?

TONY REAGINS, FUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana

by Chzburger Jones on Apr 3, 2011 9:52 PM PDT reply actions  

F**K the blame

WE BETTER JUST KICK SOME RAY AND JAY ASS THIS WEEK!!!!!
EF THIS!

by Raaddad on Apr 3, 2011 10:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, let's kick their asses.

But can we also win a game or two?

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Apr 3, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha

maybe our money would be better spent on an over the hill Chuck Liddell

by LosAngel on Apr 3, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

so glad I was busy moving all weekend unable to watch

checking the scores on my phone wasn’t as painful as it must’ve been watching this train wreck.

on the bright side, such an awful start will just make our August/September comeback that much sweeter, since by then Kaz will be gone, Rodney will be pitching mop-up, Kendrys will be back, Walden closing, and Conger as the everyday catcher. fingers crossed

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by 2pintsofbooze on Apr 3, 2011 11:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I so agree. As long as we aren't 10 games back of the Rangers by then.

I don’t think we will be that far back, unless there’s more injuries.
But I don’t see Conger playing much that early; I see Wilson first and for awhile
in the slow move to work Mathis further away from the starting spot if the average continues towards extreme suckage.
Conger will only occur that early in the event of injuries to Mathis, Wilson.
And isn’t he the one going to be sent down when Downs returns?
Or maybe that’s when they unload Kaz . . .

by Raaddad on Apr 3, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

ROFL!!!!!!!

this hurts sooo much i have to laugh!!! i sooooo want to use my F BOMB but i have a feeling that i am going to use it for a better occasion later on this month

Don’t know, don’t care. People that criticize can kiss my ass. I don’t give a shit
-Kobe Bryant

by KB_24 on Apr 4, 2011 12:18 AM PDT reply actions  

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