Joel Pineiro Gem Not Enough To Overcome Devil Rays In Extras
by RexTookMyStash on Apr 30, 2011 1:14 PM PDT
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Rise and shine. Saturday morning found the Los Angeles Angels at Tropicana field hoping to continue the cool off of a Tampa team that had won seven of its last 10 games. According to the stands, all 78 Tampa Bay fans were on hand for this sparkling pitching performance.
It was obvious early on that this was not to be a Saturday morning slug fest. Both James Shields and Joel Pineiro mowed down the respective batters they faced with devastating efficiency. It was definitely all quiet on the eastern front until three straight singles by the actual 'heart' of our lineup. Hopefully Mike Scioscia noticed that Hank Conger provided one of those hits when he was staring into Mathis' eyes in the dug out. This rally would soon be tempered by two straight swinging strikeouts by Peter Bourjos and Alexi Amarista. It's a shame we're still constantly relying on our rookies and the bottom of the order to carry us to the playoffs. I could have sworn we had some veterans, they have just been difficult to find as of late.
After another batch of innings that were more silent than Greg Anderson on the witness stand, Peter Bourjos led off the inning with a single, only to be caught stealing after a bad jump and even better throw to second by Rays catcher Kelly Shoppach. This guy has two strikes against him in my opinion, his name is Kelly, and he has a lower batting average than Vernon Wells. Sorry Kelly.
The butter was hard, and the jello was jigglin, that is until a lead off double by Torii Hunter in the top of the ninth inning. Instead of failing as usual, Vernon "Big Splat" Wells did his best Tonya Harding impression and rung a hard grounder off the wicket of Kyle Farnsworth moving over Torii Hunter to third with one out. This was quickly followed by a grounder to right by Howie Kendrick that was bobbled by Ben Zobrist scoring Hunter, who used to seem a lot faster on the base paths. Erick Aybar then got on base with a swinging bunt and then headed onto third on pick-off throw that someone ended up near one of the only attendees at the game.
Unfortunately, Hank Conger was unable to get Erick Aybar home and flied out to end the threat. The bottom of the 9th quickly found Eric Aybar making an amazaing acrobatic play at short but he was unable to get out the speedy Elliot Johnson on a perfect throw to first. With Elliot on first, the Concussion of Sam Fuld was not to be on a deflected bunt into his forehead that likely gave Rays fans a scare. Rodney somehow got Upton to ground out stranding a man on second and ending the bottom of the 9th.
Let's Play Two!
Fernando Rodney started off the the top of the 10th inning by giving up a double to Matt Joyce. After getting hit HARD left and right, he finally dismissed the Tampa fans by letting Joyce score from third on a wild pitch that probably would have been called a strike if Shields had thrown it.
Joel pitched great and will certainly help anchor down the number 3 spot in our rotation. The Angels had plenty of opportunities to win this game but couldn't capitalize. It's fitting this game was lost on a pitch thrown by Rodney. For whom the bell tolls Rodney, it shall soon toll for thee.
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i blame kittens in bubbles
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
Tough one to lose
after the Angels managed to overcome Shields and his 12 strikeouts. This loss feels every bit as bad as the one against Oakland this past Wednesday.
Ah well, a 15-12 record to start the month isn’t so bad.
Swung on and missed, he struck him out! ~ Terry Smith
Angels' 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 6-3
Rodney. youre pathetic. why couldnt we get Thompson in there?
Also, any reports on how Kohn and Jepsen are doing?
by GutterDem0n on Apr 30, 2011 1:25 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Neither one of them is doing well
Kohn: 4.15 ERA, 1.50 WHIP 16 Ks/2 BBs in 8.2 IP
Jepsen: 6.30 ERA 1.50 WHIP, 7 Ks/2 BBs in 10 IP
Actually, those numbers are great for Kohn.
He’s striking out two batters an inning, and hardly walking anyone.
Who cares about ERA in the hitter’s paradise of the PCL, where breakers don’t break and the air is thin as a Martian summer?
+1
You beat me to this.
You can’t use ERA to judge 8 IP.
The Inexplicable 0-2, 2 Outs, Pitchout Watch: 2
(Santana 4/18;Palmer 4/19)
by Nathan Aderhold on Apr 30, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
This
A pitchers ERA in the PCL is as useful as the HR stat in that league.
NOT MY QUINNY!!!!
by halofan4life on Apr 30, 2011 2:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Is there a way to "league adjust" stats like this?
There probably is, please don’t call me stupid for not remembering what it’s called and how to do it.
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by Greyson Peltier on Apr 30, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Adjusted ERA+
There’s probably a website where they keep track of that stat for the PCL, but I’m too lazy to look it up.
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Apr 30, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Its silly that Hunter and Wells are still batting where they are
while the guys that are hitting are in the back of the order and play every other game. Heart of the order fail since they’ve been failing this whole season.
When it comes to the vets, Sosh is a stick in the mud.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
Should the title of this recap be
Joel Pineiro Gem Not Enough To Overcome Rodney In Extras?
Bartolo Colon is so dreamy!
by Howie's Batting Title on Apr 30, 2011 1:30 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Rodney Was Not the Problem
We scored 1 run in 9 innings. You don’t win many games that way.
by YouthofToday on Apr 30, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree the offense sucks right now
However Rodney has to know not to throw a 55 foot slider with the winning run on 3rd.
Consider the pitcher.
Shields shut down Toronto and Chicago even worse. Two complete games, four hits apiece.
This is the same offense that had 17 hits yesterday — but not the same pitcher. Remember, Price is their ace, and was runner-up to Felix in Cy Young voting last season.
Yes.
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by Greyson Peltier on Apr 30, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm afraid that losing one-run, low-scoring games is going to be the norm for the Angels this year.
We might as well get used to it.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
What is that old saying?
Something like “Good teams win the close ones”.
Not to reassuring
Well, to be fair, the Angels scored eight runs yesterday.
And had a five run game and an eight run game against the best pitching staff in baseball (OAK) just prior to that
And they’ve scored 4+ runs in 15 of their first 26. Oakland, Tampa, Cleveland and Toronto all round out (with the Angels) the best team ERAs in the AL. And we’ve played all of them. (You add TEX, and we’ve played every above-average pitching staff save for NYY in the first month of play.)
I’m not saying this offense is good. But I am saying that they’ve seen some of the best pitching in the league in the first month, so that’s a factor.
I knew you'd chime in, Subop, but I conceded the offense was average.
And I also get that it’s easier to be a be a pessimist than a realist. Les bons mots, they fall like chocolate coins out a golden goose’s ass. Oscar Wilde knew that well enough.
by Turks Teeth on Apr 30, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not looking for validation
And I’m not bent on pessimism either. I’m more concerned about the plate discipline and batted ball data than the synthetic stats. I’ll write this up when I get some time, but the offense is developing a habit of looking at strikes while whiffing on balls. That seems to say more about the hitting than the opposing pitching.
This reminded of a predictable 90mph fastball straight down main street USA that Torii just watched go by.
He used to swing at those at hit them in places that were good for our scoring and what-not. So he watches those go by, then swings at a effin slider in the dirt like a drunken sailor.
What the hell gives?
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Apr 30, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not just Torii
The whole lineup seemed to develop the same issue last season. Since the start of 2010, only the Red Sox have swung at a lower fraction of balls in the strike zone. Thing is, the Red Sox are also the third least likely to swing outside the zone, but the Angels are ninth.
Ugh.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Apr 30, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Do Sosh and Hatcher get these same stats?
If so, why over a year later hasn’t this been addressed? And if it has been addressed, why are the same bad habits still evident?
by Hoppity Hooper on Apr 30, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
And FWIW, Fangraphs' wOBA figures are not park adjusted.
If you want a more context sensitive refinement of wOBA, I’d use wRC+ (Angels at 105, #5 in the AL, #9 in the MLB).
The offense is a touch above average in almost every team metric but wOBA, which clearly leaves some information out. Using StatCorner’s wOBA metrics shows a team OBA roughly 10 pts north of Fangraph’s assessment.
all i have to say is, Bases Loaded 1 Out!!!!
Score a freaking run. Then we win
Be a Angel Fan till I die... The only good team to come out of Texas is my Dallas Cowboys Baby
Today is a decent day to discuss Bourjos' regression
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Apr 30, 2011 1:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Where regression means 12 game hitting streak...
…and going 9 for 24 (.375) in the past week of play.
But it does look nasty when he strikes out.
If that's a correctable issue, we have nothing to look forward to but more greatness from Fleet.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Apr 30, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
should have held this game
walden should have been used to hold this thing instead of rodney, youth is right though you can’t expect these pitchers to perfect for 9+ innings. if the middle hitters aren’t getting it done, than move them out for the younger guys.
by hoffy loves the angels on Apr 30, 2011 1:50 PM PDT reply actions
I disagree
If Walden holds the lead, then what the next inning? You have to use someone else. Walden should be used in a save situation.
They should have brought Downs in for The 10th
Especially after they had got Upton out the inning before. Maddon was stacking the lineup with lefties.
by Bozo's1000son on Apr 30, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
use downs to pitch the 10th,
use downs to start the new game in the 10th, and when you get the lead, bring in anybodt but rodney
by hoffy loves the angels on Apr 30, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I do not believe that Bourjos should be allowed to steal bases
This is at least the third straight time he has been caught stealing and killed a potential rally. He does not get large enough lead offs and gets horrific jumps off of the pitchers. I do not understand how one of the fastest men in baseball consistently gets thrown out. He had much more success in the minors. With his blazing speed in the minors he probably didn’t have to work on his running game at all but this is the bigs. This seems to be a trend with many of the Angel runners including Aybar while other teams runners have much more success against our catchers. ( currently Opponents SB success rate 74 vs. Halos % SB success rate 65%)
Why can’t the Angels who put such an emphasis on speed, develop a running coach like other teams have done?(such as the Dodgers with Maury Wills and Davey Lopes for example) If they do have a running coach then they should fire his ass immediately. Maybe its Alfredo. But it would make more sense if it was Mickey Hatcher
You know, we probably would have won if Pete could have only
hit the ball in the 5th.
regression abounds!!!!
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Apr 30, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
You've got an obsession with regression.
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Apr 30, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
worthy of BOTG
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Apr 30, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
At least Pineiro looked good.
I've got nothing.
by bc56274 on Apr 30, 2011 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes. I'm looking forward to him being a significant improvment to our rotation.
We can at least take that away from this game.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Apr 30, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I can take this stupid one-run loss on a day when both pitchers were lights out, when,
WAY more importantly for our future: Pineiro looked outstanding.
This is the kind of good news we need, especially with Voodoo struggling.
Pineiro looked great
I just feel bad that this had to happen. No reason for it.
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by Greyson Peltier on Apr 30, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
At least he didn't get the L next to his name.
Representing the Angels in Sin City.
by maze88 on May 1, 2011 7:50 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
IMO
Blame of the game candidates should be:
1) Rodney, Fernando
2) Fraudney
3) Fernando Rodney
4) Lack of Offense
I think it is pretty clear what I am getting at . . .
CALIFORNIA ANGELS . . . ANAHEIM DUCKS . . . CALIFORNIA GOLDEN BEARS
The Good news: Pineiro is back and looking great
The REAL bad news: It was reported in the Times today that Kendrys has taken another step back again in his recovery. His foot/ankle area is just not healing enough for him to run.
Oy-vay . . .
He'd need at least 3 or 4 more surgeries to get to Grant's level of rehab fail.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
and be a former heir apparent accepted as a meager contributor.
Piniero is prime time on a prime time team.
"We are not on an austerity program," Arte Moreno
BOTG: Fernando Rodney's Agent
I’m pretty sure I read somewhere he got Reagins all hopped-up on Del Taco before that contract got signed. Scoundrel!
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
Bummer Rodney
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 30, 2011 3:38 PM PDT reply actions
they have talent!
this team is plenty talented in most areas of the game, except for the coaching. it looks to me like bud black and joe madden play better scosia ball than scosia. the base coaches are the ones who send the runner and work the staff, and “coach” the hitters. this team could really do something if the leadership was on fire.
by hoffy loves the angels on Apr 30, 2011 3:41 PM PDT reply actions
Absolutely.
Why are we doing so many things wrong in respect to base stealing (the bread and butter of Scioscialist baseball)?
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by Greyson Peltier on Apr 30, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
It was Dino Ebel who went 0-for-4 at the dish? Again?
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
actually this is interesting
I have thought that last few years that Soth has not played Soth ball —I wonder if losing Maddon as his bench coach did really matter
Angels in 2011!
I wondered if losing Roenicke would make any difference.
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
by Fred Fredrix on Apr 30, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh - It's Shields
Great start from Pineiro, Shields is on fire. It happens.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
Rodney never does any good.
We needed Walden in the 10th.
I have been a very fast runner for a while, and that is only half of base stealing. There has to be strategy (sliding, timing etc.) My lack of good reaction time and the fact that I could not get on base in the first place is why I have been cut from every baseball team I have tried to join (which was only 1). I agree on the “running coach” idea.
The offense was invisible, as always. A batting order reversion may help, but not sure as when the good hitters do come out, we win.
Another reason that was overlooked is that Maddon has knowledge of how to beat our entire system. I wonder if there are non-disclosure, non-use agreements in baseball. If so, there may be reason to invoke it now.
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by Greyson Peltier on Apr 30, 2011 4:33 PM PDT reply actions
I suppose I'm the only one who appreciates the sheer awesomeness of this post.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Apr 30, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I was dumb-struck.
Does that count?
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
Haha. John Gruden approves of this. Go Bucs!!
I hope someone gets this.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Apr 30, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Like lawyers.
Everyone hates them, but if my ass gets in hot water. You better believe I’m getting the most conniving bastard to ever live, as long as he keeps my supple can out of the klink.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Apr 30, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Stash?
You’re an editor now too?
Look at you all big ’n shit!
"Mike Scioscia?! Didn't you get radiation poisoning?"
"I sure did. And it gave me super managing powers!"
One day the entire blog will have editor rights.
Then, and only then, with this be the purist form of community driven content.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Apr 30, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
For all the shit Soth gets, I feel like he's giving Fraud a couple last curtain calls before they can him.
You at least owe it to the guy to let him show you what he has before you shit can him. Especially with the money their paying him.
Something tells me Soth doesn’t read fangraphs very often and likely doesn’t know xFIP from going on a three mile run at 6am.
Rod man’s days are numbered. The writing is on the wall, unfortunately, the writing is spelled in BLSV’s.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
Soth reads HH though.
"Ballplayers play baseball." -Jose Mota
I wish it did.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Apr 30, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Bad loss, we'll get em tomorrow
I wasn’t able to watch the game today but from what I saw/read, looks the the offense and Rodney are to blame in my opinion. Having the bases loaded with one out and not being able to bring anyone home is just terrible and shows that everyone on this team I think really needs to work on their approach with runners on. Rodney once again proves he has the stuff but has absolutely no consistent control of his pitches and is basically Fuentes 2.0 when the game is on the line. We have weaver going tomorrow and barring a complete meltdown by him(unlikely) we have a really good chance a winning tomorrows game. One last thing I wanna bring up is that I fell pretty good how we did this month. There were some not so great moments but we’ve seen how good are young guys can be and that are pitching staff is something to be feared in the AL. Going 15-11 is really something to be proud of, mostly considering how we’ve started off the last few years. This team has shown it has what it takes to win and compete and I expect them to do it all season long. Go Angels!!
Tough loss
But, jesus, Pineiro looked good today! If he can provide consistent good pitching like this, he makes our rotation THAT much better, especially since we don’t have to rely on Palmer anymore. I almost forgot how good Pineiro is before today…
Trombombs rock
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with the results bar on it. No results, just a lovely image of the results bar.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
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