Scott Kazmir to DL; team Improves

Palmer to take his spot in the rotation

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Looks like we'll get Palmer and Bell in the rotation after all.

Someone needs to replace Pineiro on Tuesday.

by ~MMP~ on Apr 9, 2011 12:17 AM PDT reply actions

His DL stint ought to be worth about

2-3 wins right there

Light up that cactus / dumpster / halo!!

by blast21dave on Apr 9, 2011 12:54 AM PDT reply actions

Kaztastrophe averted

I see red people

by The Limey on Apr 9, 2011 12:55 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs

Another great move by the Soth this week.

Conger in for Mathis today—the home opener—also gives one hope.

by Raaddad on Apr 9, 2011 12:58 AM PDT reply actions

I'm excited to see that sosh is finally

getting in there and making some good decisions for the team. Hopefully the guys respond well to it.

by semperfi1645 on Apr 9, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions

Officially

with “lower back stiffness.” That’s partly right; he’s definitely a stiff.

The only drama left is whether he is ever reactivated from the DL in the remaining days of his Angel career.

by jjackflash on Apr 9, 2011 2:00 AM PDT reply actions

Unofficially

the complaint is “excessive outfield penetration.”

by rspencer on Apr 9, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions

:D

What else could I say?

by Howie's Batting Title on Apr 9, 2011 2:12 AM PDT via mobile reply actions

Just wait till Alex Torres turns into what he is capable of. THEN this trade will be even more excruciating.
After-all, how long can TR get away with trading our young pitching (in particular, leftys) before getting burned.

by Wally's World on Apr 9, 2011 4:11 AM PDT reply actions

Hmm..

“I was working on some things with my delivery, with my leg kick, and that’s when I felt it in my lower back, on the right side,” Kazmir said. “That wasn’t me in my last start.”

-angelsbaseball.com

Faith Focus Finish

by b0rd3rline on Apr 9, 2011 4:34 AM PDT reply actions

Pathetic

Talk about a man in denial.

by jjackflash on Apr 9, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions

in all fareness what do you want the guy to say?

I’m sure he knows he lost his stuff. If he is lucky he’ll reinvent himself in the minors as a middle reliever. If not he’ll just disappear only to be remembered as a guy who had it then lost it.

by semperfi1645 on Apr 9, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions

he could say

that it has been bothering him for quite some time. What’s his excuse for completely sucking during spring training, or in 2010?

by jjackflash on Apr 10, 2011 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions

This is the beginning of the end.

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Apr 9, 2011 6:29 AM PDT reply actions

My only friend, the end.

by Balls and Strikes on Apr 9, 2011 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions

This reminds me of the famous line

“Great trade! Who did we get?”

They could have announced Pat Rapp was starting and everyone still would have been happy.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes

by johnnyangel101 on Apr 9, 2011 7:30 AM PDT reply actions

Is Pat Rapp available?

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Apr 9, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions

What would it take to get him?

Jeff Mathis Batting Average Watch: .235

by ryanfea on Apr 9, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions

it'd take Granderson

Ahhh... Yes... Finally back home in SoCal!!!

by stuck in Romania on Apr 9, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions

Is he available? Who do you think we should give up to get him?

I think Quinlan, Wood, Oliver, Trout, Napoli, Conger, and Torii should get it done. What do you think? Do we need to send them Weaver and Haren too?

Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.

by Clutch on Apr 9, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions

Regins

I don’t understand the team’s thinking on FA and trades. They are flabbergasted to see the contracts of some of these guys like Carl Crawford or Adrian Beltre. The major downside to those contracts is going to come in the last few years of the deals. But, with the Kazmir and Wells trades, the team has taken on the back end of those big deals without getting the benefit of the younger contract years. Plus, we give up low salaried players to get the deals done.

by HungryHunter on Apr 9, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions

They don't like having that much money

locked up for that long unless they are franchise players. Neither Beltre or Crawford are that type of player

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by Seik1177 on Apr 9, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions

Right

it’s the length. Over five years Arte will not go unless it’s someone like Pujols (I hope).

by rspencer on Apr 9, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions

we need to pick up a fifth starter in a trade

an aging workhorse who can give you 5-6 decent innings on a consistent basis, somebody like Paul Byrd —I need to do some research and see who might be out there.

Angels in 2011!

by tanana40 on Apr 9, 2011 7:41 AM PDT reply actions

Don't waste your time researching

I am sure TR will do his own “thorough” investigation! Ha!!!

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Apr 9, 2011 8:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions

I hear Jeff Weaver is available.

Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.

by Clutch on Apr 9, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions

WTE to the rescue

Angels in 2011!

by tanana40 on Apr 9, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions

Jarrod Washburn

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by Sethy on Apr 9, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions

J/K

Unless he can give us 5-6 quality innings per start. Then I’m dead serious.

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by Sethy on Apr 9, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions

Screening out Kazmir is just one part of the fix...

You need someone good to replace him. The current list of candidates are not in that category unfortunately.

by waters96 on Apr 9, 2011 8:28 AM PDT reply actions

You're giving Kazmir too much credit. You just need to replace him.

His replacement doesn’t have to good or even better than average. They just need to not be terrible.

by Nashdiesel on Apr 9, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions

It could have worked out beautifully

When the angels got him in that trade, he immediately came into anaheim and had :
6 starts
36 1/3 innings
28 hits
7 earned runs
10 walks
26 k’s
1.05 whip
baa ~ .200

But, he was still named the #3 starter in the playoffs, which baffled me at the time, he was truly pitching better than anyone else in the rotation for the last month. I figured maybe it was just because of his fenway success, so soth wanted to save him. But, you don’t save your hottest pitcher to go in game 3. Maybe he was hurt heading into the playoffs, be it known or unknown. He just hasn’t been the same pitcher. Or maybe the 6 starts before that were a fluke. You just don’t lose that kind of velocity by accident though.
He’s been awful ever since.

A big risk, which went sour. Not half as bad as the Wells trade imo.

Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Apr 9, 2011 8:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

That's what has bewildered me

He was great when he first arrived. Then he fell apart in the playoffs and it’s been a downhill tumble ever since. I suppose those final regular season games could have been a fluke, and the stats seem to support that. He had a ERA+ of 73 and an ERA of 5.92 in 20 games in 2009 before being traded. And the majority of his stats, including ERA, ERA+, WHIP, H/9 and BB/9 in 2010 pretty closely mirror those of pre-trade 2009. Now that I look at it, the writing seems to be on the wall. Hindsight, of course, is 20/20.

by Bolt Deck on Apr 9, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions

The problem with that is the velocity when he first came back.

That first start, he was at 94 the whole game. His offspeed was crisp and had a ton of movement.
Even in the playoff start his pitches were there, he was just getting teed off of.
Then 2010 happened and he just imploded. Tops out at 88 or so, lifeless offspeed.

Someday, I want to know what happened to this kid. How can a 26 year old completely deteriorate without ever having a serious injury? No injury, no ligament tear, no broken bones. It’s honestly a little frightening.

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Apr 9, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions

I Suspect

one of two things (or some combination of the two). One: he actually is injured, but either isn’t willing to admit it or doesn’t want to risk surgery. Two: he is simply afraid to pitch. Possibly he had some kind of injury and is afraid of it getting worse or recurring.

by jjackflash on Apr 9, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions

You're right

His average FB speed with the Rays was nearly 2 MPH less than those last games of 2009 with the Angels. The FB speed in those games with the Rays was 90.7, which was nearly identical to his average FB speed for 2010 (90.5). The loss in velocity is very bizarre. I too would like to know if there is some underlying health issue. You have to think that’s the case.

by Bolt Deck on Apr 9, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Someone showed that those starts were almost all against awful teams. There was one start against a good team and he gave up most of those 7 runs in it.

by Balls and Strikes on Apr 9, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions

Hallelujah!

I have tickets for tonight and really wasn’t looking forward to watching Spazmir get shelled.

"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST

by No Bologna Polonia on Apr 9, 2011 9:00 AM PDT reply actions

palmer isn't much better

but at least you won’t be bored to death with walks.

Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Apr 9, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions

Palmer is just fine.

"It's our money," owner Arte Moreno said.

by 44FAN on Apr 9, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions

Relatively speaking.

Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.

by Clutch on Apr 9, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions

With lots and lots of run support

by linkbruin on Apr 9, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions

win number 4 today

Meet up for Angels vs. A's Doubleheader Saturday, Jul 16, 2011
Won my twitter bet
thanks all who followed me, pizza was so good, heart burn not so much

by DAD OF VLAD on Apr 9, 2011 9:35 AM PDT reply actions

WOOOOOOOO

by Gokyle45 on Apr 9, 2011 10:08 AM PDT reply actions

not by much

but any improvement is good

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by Seik1177 on Apr 9, 2011 10:37 AM PDT reply actions

Wonder if Palmer's run-support magic is still alive?

If so we’ll be seeing quite the slugfest from the Angels today.

Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.

by Clutch on Apr 9, 2011 10:41 AM PDT reply actions

Now we just need to put Wells on DL

by CaptainCarlos on Apr 9, 2011 10:57 AM PDT reply actions

Do we know when are Wells, Wood, Mathis going to hurt their backs?

by mustard_man on Apr 9, 2011 11:39 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Wood should be any day...

Mathis and Wells might take a few months.

Ahhh... Yes... Finally back home in SoCal!!!

by stuck in Romania on Apr 9, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions

That, sir, was damn funny

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Apr 10, 2011 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions

Based on his last ST start

I’d take Palmer on the mound over Kaz every time.

"To Halowood - Avoid the Clap." - Jimmy Dugan

by Angelsfan015 on Apr 9, 2011 12:32 PM PDT reply actions

Though Kaz's last ST start vs. Dojers was excellent

of course, it WAS the Dojers

by Raaddad on Apr 9, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions

Excellent?

Compared to what he had been doing, I suppose. But there were a lot of hard-hit balls right to his fielders, and the Dodgers were swinging very early in the count. And he still didn’t make it through five innings.

by jjackflash on Apr 10, 2011 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions

Hitting the "DL"

It seems the last few seasons teams have been misusing the DL more and more. Using it to hide under performing veterans from embarrassing themselves in the field, on the mound, or at the dish. Now I’m not saying Kaz does not have a sore back but are we really fooling ourselves that Weaver or Haren would be hitting the 15 day DL if the same sore back happened to them.

This “DL’ing” of these under-performing players is just a way to safe face for both the player and the front office. If MLB is gonna allow this to happen then situations like this will continue.

by drtrix on Apr 9, 2011 12:36 PM PDT reply actions

that 's pretty harsh

if the guy has a sore back the guy has a sore back.

Just because it is the single condition that is impossible to detect might be a coincidence. If he comes back in August having mastered the knuckleball we will all be thankful for that mysterious ailment ! ! ! ! ! !

by Rev Halofan on Apr 9, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions