Arte to Tony: No more spending this year.
Is it any wonder why?
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Also, I love how the best the farm system has right now is apparently Paul McAnulty.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
That's the Bees, not the whole farm system, but yeah.
I once heard Tony say in an interview that the Angels always have a five year plan for the team’s success. Really?
"It's our money," owner Arte Moreno said.
I heard Barry Zito
is available
maybe we can trade for his contract too.
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
As Tony's intern
i find that to be great reasoning
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
If true, this is the first intelligent baseball decision by Arte in months.
He’s spending $139m, the 4th highest payroll in all of baseball, and what he has bought is the island of misfit toys. Attendance is down. Merchandising revenue is down. Crap talent = crap results.
Like it’s been said: hit Arte in the wallet, and he’ll listen. I hope this is the beginning of the real changes that must be made before the team can return to respectability…and then competing for a championship.
by mustard_man on Jun 16, 2011 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like someone has been put on notice
Is this the beginning of the end for Tony?
I took your stash.
Well, that basically settles it. Hope everyone enjoyed April and early May of 2011.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
Hilarious.
The one thing Tony had going for him was handing over blank checks to whomever would accompany him on a date to Del Taco.
Taco Tony isn’t going to outwit anyone at the trade deadline, so, this must spell the beginning of the glorious end.
I can’t wait until i read the headlines here on HH “TONY REAGINS FIRED.”
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
"Purged" has a better ring to it.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jun 16, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
"I will spend whatever it takes to return to the playoffs."
Uh-huh. [Waiting…. Waiting…]
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
maybe arte saw the moneyball trailer
and realized he can win with a team full of scott hattebergs.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Jun 16, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Arte did what he said he would do
He delegated $140 million for his baseball team this year, which is more than enough money to return to the playoffs. Unfortunately, Tony spent all that money on baseball cards, instead of baseball players.
by Suboptimal on Jun 16, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I don't disagree
and we all know very well that “Whatever it takes” was never meant to mean the budget was/is unlimited.
My only purpose in posting was to point out the dicohotomy between what was said and what ultimately happened. If I had that particular loss of face, I’d react to it.
Who was the last MLB GM to be fired mid-season? Let’s see… Josh Byrnes, Diamondbacks, right? Last year? Around the All Star break? And he still had, what, 5 years left on the long-term contract Diamondbacks’ ownership had given him in 2007? And Arte is tight friends with Diamondback ownership, right?
Hmm…
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
Why did Arte say "No more spending this year?"
Because he plans to fire Reagins by the end of the season and he’ll let the new GM, hopefully someone much more competent than Reagins, do the spending.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
Rec'd
It’s our GM’s responsibility to put the best pieces possible on the roster, it’s the manager’s responsibility to put the best players on the field.
It’s the owner’s responsibility to take care of the finances and provide the best atmosphere possible. Not an all-telling thing but ESPN’s franchise rankings has us a the number 1 baseball franchise for like the 5th year in a row. Because we have the best ticket prices and one of the best in-park atmospheres in sports. Those are a tribute to Arte.
The team’s performance is a credit to Reagins and Soth and his coaching staff.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
I think he ATE the cards and is trading the gum
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jun 18, 2011 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions
This is good news
Seriously. We need bad contracts off our books so we can lock up Weave and improve with smart moves, not colossally stupid ones.
Also, come on Cardinals, you don’t want Pinata back? At all?
Also, LOL at anyone wanting to pay Fraudney anything.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
Should not have been made public
This is twice Arte has placed Tony in a position of weakness at the bargaining table. First, he promised to spend money and bring in a bat. Toronto heard those comments.
Now, Tony will be limited in doing the one thing he did well last year: work trades. Other GMs know he has a financial directive from the top and play that into their favor.
Tony has enough issues on his own. He doesn’t need help.
good point
Dang it. If we can’t even make a decent trade, we’re screwed. Might as well stock up on prospects. Abreu could net a few. I don’t really want to trade Pineiro.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Jun 16, 2011 6:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Tony put himself in a position of weakness at the bargaining table.
Other GMs have already figured out they could fleece him in a trade. Arte is just limited his damages to the ones already done by our pathetic, pathetic GM.
Pollyanna is dead. But don't get mad at me, I didn't kill her. Tony Reagins did.
In the battle of wits, Tony Reagins was already unarmed
I don’t believe for a minute Arte made this decree. To make the statement to “stop spending” after he’s already committed $140m would mean that there wasn’t a budget for baseball operations already in place – which would mean Arte was operating without a business plan. Very unlikely.
The more plausible scenario is that Tony or someone close to Reagins created the story to deflect attention from the problems on the field for the team. Let’s face it – the team is still only 3 games out of 1st place. Tony now has room to make the case that he wanted to make trades, but ownership tied his hands.
Ultimately though, who cares. This is all just mental masturbation given how completely dysfunctional the Halo’s front office really is.
It wasn't made public....
Mark Saxon is quoting a “baseball source” . It’s hearsay at this point.
This hearsay happens to match perfectly with what we know about the Angels' financials
The team is losing money and won’t be gaining much of it back in the offseason.
What do we know about the team's financials? Have they been published? Has the team said it's losing money?
I’m not saying it’s bullshit, just to be clear. I’m saying it’s hearsay until we get official word from the franchise. And, I’d still be willing to bet that if this team is in contention at the trade deadline and it makes sense….they’ll pull the trigger. Why? Because an appearance in the playoffs adds MILLIONS in revenue. Even if it is true, there could be several reasons for it. I just find it kinda funny that some of the very people getting angry about this rumor are the same people who have been calling for the Angels to sell since the second week of May! It should be good news to them….
Yes. The team's financials HAVE been published
along with several other team’s, on Deadspin.
Even if they hadn’t been, it’s not hard to deduce them. Salaries are known, sources of income – gate receipts, media revenues – are known. Average costs for MLB franchises – minor league operations, travel costs, etc. – are known. And, finally, the budget parameters under which Arte has run this team in the past are well known.
Pretty sure many of us were predicting this back in January in the Wells signing threads. Were you busy rec’ing thebigtizzle posts?
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
you mean the financials for 2008-09???
Those are the financials shown on deadspin. It’s 2011. I can find absolutely no financials for 2011 showing Arte is losing money and needed to make this statement. Sure, it makes sense that he probably is. All that is beside the point. This is a rumor from an anonymous source. Normally Halos Heaven is pretty skeptical of anonymous sources, but this time everyone just glommed right on. I’m not here saying everything is fine, I’m saying it’s just a rumor until the organization says it’s not.
I also think that if Arte did tell Tony this
It’s probably the end of the line for Tony. But it’s just a rumor and I’ll bet that they pull the trigger if they’re in contention at the trade deadline.
I've always wondered how people can breathe with their head in the sand.
Maybe you could explain that one, too.
Pollyanna is dead. But don't get mad at me, I didn't kill her. Tony Reagins did.
Cutting Tony's credit card hurts, but it needs to happen.
Arte has all but fired Del Taco Tony, in my opinion. He should do it immediately, but will probably wait until after the season. This would be a mistake. Tony Reagins cannot be trusted to restock the farm system by trading our veterans. Finish him off Arte, pull the plug.
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jun 16, 2011 7:00 PM PDT reply actions
To all those idiots
who rationalized the Wells trade with, “Wells makes our team marginally better and it’s not our money he’s spending and it won’t keep them from getting other players”
A big F You to all of you!
Vernon Well's Current Average = .195 Current # of outs = Don't ask him
TY Tony!
by MH252525 on Jun 16, 2011 7:02 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
But Arte said it would have no impact.
Oh, and rec’d.
Pollyanna is dead. But don't get mad at me, I didn't kill her. Tony Reagins did.
"It's not my money"
“Why should I care?”
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
Really?
It’s a rumor on mlbtraderumors.com. The very same website who’s sources have listed the Angels as front-runners for every major free agent available every single offseason. The very same website who gets it wrong more times than right…because it’s all hearsay. It is counterproductive for the team to have this be public and I’d bet that if Arte told Tony that, it would be between the two of them and nobody else. Again…it is a RUMOR from an anonymous “source”. When i read it on angelsbaseball.com then I will believe it. Until then, it’s just hearsay and reaching silly conclusions and insulting other people is just going tohave to wait.
by firebird81 on Jun 16, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My biggest rationalization of the trade (Which baffles me now but I own up to my errors in judgement)
was that Weaver and Kendry were already gone, regardless of money spent on anyone else.
I’m half-right still, but not the half we all want.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Sorry about that, MH
Because that is pretty much what I said about the Wells deal.
I’m sorry you had to taste my shit sandwich.
You make it easier than I can ever remember to jump on the bandwagon of hate and anger...
You took a franachise that was trending higher and higher, and at a peak in its history – and nosedived it straight into the ground.
Once fans stood in line to get tickets, now they are happy to find buyers on ticket web sites.
Long waits were the norm to get Angels merchandise, now you can get gear faster than a cheap haircut.
The Angels were starting to become a conversation piece around the nation – now they are usually just the butt of “Have you heard…” jokes.
From the new darling envy of the league to some of the most boring, uninspired crap to be witnessed this side of Euro strongman competitions – and no relief in sight.
Do us all a favor and follow the process you just used on one of your projects…and release yourself…and us from the misery you bring.
Regards,
- Any self-respecting sports fan
by RedFog on Jun 16, 2011 8:38 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
The malaise started with GM Jr.
I liked what MW wrote about this.
and after all this we are only 3 games out....LOL gotta love the AL West
Don’t know, don’t care. People that criticize can kiss my ass. I don’t give a shit
-Kobe Bryant
You want to make history you have to do historic things- Kobe Bryant
based off this news
kiss the rest of the farm system goodbye.
Angels are only 3 games out, our idiot GM will give up a ton of young talent for a rental if the other side picks up the cash.
I’m scared
I know this im late to this topic
but i heard last night from someone who i know very well and is well connected to the cardinals (larussa specifically) that word around there is pujols to the angels is looking more and more likely. he said cubs are in it to, but angels are top of the list. pujols likes arte a ton (likes to speak with him in spanish, like vlad). i find that interesting news that may help explain this one.
also, he said pujols is much older than 31…
R.I.P.N.A.
by TheAngelsAngels on Jun 18, 2011 4:26 PM PDT reply actions
Arte speaks Spanish?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jun 19, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I wanna believe you
but the cynic bastard in me is keeping me from believing this sort of hype
Swung on and missed, he struck him out! ~ Terry Smith
Angels' 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 9-7
Yeah if all the hype were to be believed we'd now have a line-up olf
SP Haren
SP Halladay
SP Weaver
1B Pujols
2B Kendrick?
SS Aybar
3B M. Cabrera or A. Rodriguez
DH Teixeira
LF Crawford
CF Hunter
RF Abreu
Man that would be kind of sick.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
All for the low low price
of $350,000,000 (give or take a few $MM)
Swung on and missed, he struck him out! ~ Terry Smith
Angels' 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 9-7
by blast21dave on Jun 19, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I figure after a while they'd have surplus WS rings they could sell for cash.
Or something.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
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