Who Are the Most Tradeable Angels?

by Rev Halofan on Jun 16, 2011 6:38 PM PDT in Angels News

Seeing as ESPN blogger Mark Saxon makes a living by taking topics from other websites and, without crediting them, makes the discussion seem to be is original reporting, I have no qualms hacking the hacktastic hack when, after reading about his "sources" saying Arte Moreno has stopped the money pump for the rest of 2011, he rolls down the list of who on the Angels would be worth trading.

First, I do not trust our baseball operations people in any way shape or form to acquire players or prospects in a trade. When reacquiring Alberto Callaspo is your masterstroke, it is just Tony "Sheetforbrains" Reagins rolling dice. Maybe the number will come up, maybe not. The only thing to analyze on this end is who could be of the most value to contending teams in July. What chips is tony taking with him to the craps table? That is the bottom line.

Here are the Four Angels who will yield the most for the club in a trade:

•Dan Haren - A #1 starter for $21 million for August/September, all of 2012 and a buyout on 2013. $31 million total to exercise that last year of his contract.

What Dan would bring: Tony would screw this up, but a good GM would throw $5 million of salary relief along with Dan and take a decent power bat and three Top 20 Prosepct arms.

•Howie Kendrick - A great 2B in his prime will cost a team a million bucks for August and September with his 2012 salary to be setermined in arbitration. He is a free agent after that.

What Howie would bring: Tony Reagins would probably get at least the next Reggie Willits, whereas a competent GM would find a way to get a Top 5 Prospect bat and two Top 15 Prospect arms for Howie.

•Erick Aybar - An above average Shortstop in his prime will cost a million bucks for August and September of this year and then one last meeting with the arbitrator before becoming a free agent prior to the 2013 season.

What Aybar would bring: A tick less than Howie.

•Ervin Santana - A decent #3 and even a #2 on some clubs, unfamiliar to the National League (hey I am trying to be a salesman here) for $15 million total with 2013 buyout, $24 million total includes 2013. He turns 30 after the 2012 season so this is a good time to sell.

What Santana would bring: Send a little of that dough the club's way and you might get a proven bat with some pop or two of some club's Top 10 Prospects.

•Arte will not trade: Torii Hunter, Jered Weaver, Bobby Abreu, Scott Downs

•Nobody is going to want: Fernando Rodney, Vernon Wells, Jeff Mathis

•Since the division is still within reach, why bother trading the following seeing as we might get a fringe prospect for any one of these guys at best: Hisanori Takahashi, Joel Pineiro, Maicer Izturis, Alberto Callaspo

•Too affordable to jettison: Everyone else.

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Can Tony trade Tony?

by hammer444 on Jun 16, 2011 7:02 PM PDT reply actions

Tony would screw it up

He’d get himself back in the trade while absorbing the annual salaries of Brian Cashman, Theo Epstein, & Ruben Amaro, Jr. Oh and he’d have to throw in Trout to seal this deal.

Mathis is a sign of The Apocalypse.
"And God looked upon The Angels lineup, and, behold, it was corrupt."

by Halo Hurricane on Jun 17, 2011 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Kendrick, Aybar, Santana, yes.

Haren, no. The team can ill afford to downgrade its current strength – pitching. Let’s get some bats, but not if it means decimating the pitching staff.

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Jun 16, 2011 7:12 PM PDT reply actions

It seems cruel but Kendrick and Aybar are our best bats so trading them for bats may not be the best thing

Unless you sell for the future and stockpile prospects – which we should have done last year with Texas in command of the division all year.

by hammer444 on Jun 16, 2011 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Well I think...and this really has no standing

but Weaver, Haren, Kendrick or Aybar are gonna be gone in the next couple of months and you know what, I think it would be smart to get rid of some or all of them and replenish our minors and/or get some help now…I think we have seen that starting pitching is one thing that is decent in our club and I believe we have viable options in the minors. Our issue is this anemic terrible, tragic of an offense. that’s my two cents. take it or give it to obamacare

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by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Jun 16, 2011 7:14 PM PDT reply actions

Why would Arte not trade Abreu?

He would be a decent piece for another team. The Angels would probably have to pick up about half his salary, but they would avoid his option vesting with the Angels and having to pay him next year.

by hunterfan on Jun 16, 2011 7:24 PM PDT reply actions

We have tradeable players???

I must find this parallel universe where slap hitting, non clutch, albatross contract holding players are in demand!

by aces666high on Jun 16, 2011 7:28 PM PDT reply actions

They ARE in demand...but Tony is the only one demanding them!

by hammer444 on Jun 16, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Scioscia

I have a gut feeling Mike works with Tony on deals and trades. Bringing Callaspo has Mike Scioscia written all over that trade a 3b who hits for average ad lacks power. I really believe Mike has a lot of say. I disagree on Weaver, if the Halos will not sign Weaver to a long term the Angels need to get players back and we know the history Arte has with BorASS.

by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Jun 16, 2011 7:29 PM PDT reply actions

I have a gut feeling about the team too

But it is probably nausea

by hammer444 on Jun 16, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions

The question is...

Who will be producing in 2013 when Trout gets here. If the player isn’t likely to be helpful in 2 years, they are expendable. Next year is another punt too, folks.

I’d retool completely. Weaver, Santana and Haren. Gone. Kendrick, Aybar and Callaspo/Abreu would be sent packing.

This team needs to figure out who could be part of a great club from 2013 to 2020. That is the window. And ALL transactions has to be see through that prism. This is why the Wells trade was SO friggin’ awful. Wells sucks now – how bad will he be in 3 years?

Anyway, Conger, Bourjos, Trumbo and the young reliever are worth keeping for now. Other than that: kick them to the curb.

RIP Nick...

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by jimmuscomp on Jun 16, 2011 7:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs

In 2013 we have

Jeremy Moore
Mike Trout
Peter Bourjos
Amarista
Segura
Trumbo
Conger
Richards
Chatwood
Reckling
Walden
Richardson
Kohn
and others

by tshurtz on Jun 22, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions

I think we should trade Kendrick to the NASDAQ for natural gas futures.

Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.

by RexTookMyStash on Jun 16, 2011 8:15 PM PDT reply actions

The Yankees will easily be the hungriest team for starting pitching...

…and while I can’t say I see a clear package that would make sense, I not only think Haren is on the table, but I not only think Weaver is as well (depending on where this team charts in the near future), but is in front of the queue.

But then again, trying to predict anything ‘normal’ with this FO is out of the question.

by RedFog on Jun 16, 2011 8:57 PM PDT reply actions

but I not only = but also*

by RedFog on Jun 16, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions

Why is Weaver untouchable again?

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Jun 16, 2011 9:12 PM PDT reply actions

He anchors our rotation. Also, I really do feel he'll be leaning towards staying with the Halos as opposed to chasing money.

Just a gut feeling. I have a pretty big gut too, so it’s a lot of feeling.

Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.

by RexTookMyStash on Jun 16, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions

Unfortunately...

The Weav will LEAVE, just like Lackey. And Tex. He’ll go to a club that has a chance to give him more than 1 run in support for every 9 innings pitched.

by indianabones007 on Jun 16, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions

but if we get Albert Pujols next year????? :)

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by KB_24 on Jun 16, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions

Yeah, I know it's just our...opinion man...

…but I don’t get how people can see Weaver staying. It simply baffles me, even when I take homerism into account.

Not a single logical reason. Oh, I can see why you would hope he would stay. But nothing that works with either deductive or symbolic logic.

1) No one hires Boras as their agent without the clear and simple intent of ensuring they are marketed to their peak potential and claim the years and $$$ that come with that. Period.

2) The Angels are never the top bidder when multiple teams are involved with a top-tier superstar (reference: Arte’s tenure)
2a) The Angels have been known to not only be top bidder, but outbid themselves when no one else is interested or bidding and said player is known to be so expensive financially vs. return on investment that he is presumed to be untradable (reference: Wells)

3) The Angels dislike long-term contracts (said so publicly) and will never give a superstar the number of years they can command (i.e. 5+ years), or at least have not done so as of yet (reference: Arte’s tenure)

So sure, Weaver could stay but he would have to ignore top $$$, security of a longer contract, and fire Boras. Those things could happen… (((cough)))

So while the Angels might not trade Weaver depending on where they are in the race and how they feel about rebuilding, I do feel he is not only available as a trade piece, he is clearly our best foot forward.

by RedFog on Jun 16, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs

even if he leaves after 2013

if you are rebuilding you let him go and take the two best draft picks in the draft

by Rev Halofan on Jun 16, 2011 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Dammit

You posted too fast.

I forgot, but was going to add:

4) Why would the Angels have stiffed Weav out of what… 750K and force him to go to arbitration over it if they really thought they could…and would resign him. After all, Throwing 87M or so wasn’t a problem.

But the caveat to that, as you mention, is they know they won’t give him the years or $$$ he can get on the free market but will hold on to him for the two picks – unless of course a team is so desperate and can work a deal that we (Angels) get more in return than what is estimated the two picks can bring.

by RedFog on Jun 16, 2011 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions

If we had a GM worth a shit

I would trade Weaver after attempting to sign him to an extension. A trade would easily deliver more value than a first round and comp pick.

I'd like to DFA Reagins

by hauldog on Jun 17, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

I don't believe Weaver has the trade value we expect

Keep in mind, if the FO goes the route of publicly trying to sign him to extension and fails, the leverage to get maximum return is reduced.

Also, the teams with the best farm systems / best young talent probably wouldn’t be able to pony-up the mega-contract to lock up WTY long-term. It’s unlikely they’d pillage their farm system to rent a player.

The FO cannot trade WTY to Texas. Never.

So what you end up with trying to create a bidding war between Boston, NYY and maybe Philadelphia for WTY. Do these teams have the young talent at AA or AAA we’d expect in return?

by mustard_man on Jun 18, 2011 3:56 AM PDT up reply actions

This arbitration thing is such a non issue

I'd like to DFA Reagins

by hauldog on Jun 17, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions

What about the "year off" standoff between Stoneman and Boras?

That has to be etched in Jered’s mind.

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Jun 17, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions

I do not buy any of that either

He signed with Boras. When you do that you know what his game is.

I'd like to DFA Reagins

by hauldog on Jun 17, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions

Pineiro

Could actually be rather valuable to a contending team that’s lacking in starting pitching depth, particularly an NL team. He’s not bad, and he’s cheap. He’s a free agent at the end of the year, so no long-term commitment to the guy (on the other hand, this also sets a ceiling on his value). If he somehow qualifies as a Type A free agent, then the acquiring team can net a couple of draft picks if he leaves after the season, which increases his value somewhat (i.e., a couple of prospects to replace whomever was traded for him in the first place).

by jjackflash on Jun 16, 2011 10:48 PM PDT reply actions

injury history

and aging = maybe we’d Loek Van Mill type prospect… maybe.

by Rev Halofan on Jun 16, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions

Well, with a few more Shaquille Van Mill types

We’ll have a helluva basketball team in AA ball.

by mustard_man on Jun 17, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions

the phillies have a non roster 1b/dh

the guy has never been out of the minors and mashes the ball. he would be a good, cheap low-risk aquisition for a guy like pinero who would fit in with there playoff push. and since he is a career minor leaguer, they wouldn’t have to pay him over the league min.. he has hit as many as 27hrs. a season so he has plenty of power and would be a good fit with trumbo moving to left or put him in the dh spot. just a thought, but there are players out there that can help this team now, and not dismantle the pitching staff to do it. is the f.o. willing to go look for them, that is the question.

by hoffy loves the angels on Jun 17, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions

I gotta say,

Although this season probably won’t get any better for us, i’m a bit reluctant to trade any players. Not because it isn’t the right thing to do, but because I have zero faith in Tony Reagin’s ability to get anything of value in return. I simply can’t trust a man that decided to stiff WTY over 1.2 million, then gladly gave Jeffy “Premium” Mathis a raise. We are screwed as a fan base as long as TR is our GM.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Jun 16, 2011 11:17 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Before even thinking of trading players

The only action that matters for this franchise to begin the road to recovery is to terminate terminate the employment of Tony Reagins.

Until then, Arte remains stuck on stupid.

by mustard_man on Jun 17, 2011 3:57 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

stuck on loyal

Arte is loyal to a fault. Just ask “Chairman” Dennis Kuhl.

by Rev Halofan on Jun 17, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions

dennis

i cannot believe is Rod Carew’s boss, Rod works for Dennis. Have no clue what the heck he does though.

by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Jun 18, 2011 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions

Fire Tony first

Then Arte needs to go to Tampa give the keys to Gerry Hunsicker.

by HoustonHaloFan on Jun 17, 2011 8:40 AM PDT reply actions

if he gets Gerry

then hope Gerry brings Joe as manager when Joe’s contract is up in Tampa.

by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Jun 18, 2011 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions

Is there any way to get rid of Well?

Would any team be willing to take Wells if the Angels threw in Haren or Weaver and got nothing but minor league roster fillers in return?

I doubt any team would even take that trade.

by LAA of A Fan on Jun 17, 2011 12:46 PM PDT reply actions

This is something worth exploring

I was thinking about this last night.

I'd like to DFA Reagins

by hauldog on Jun 17, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions

I think what we are all missing in the analysis of being sellers or buyers and what the Angels will do at the trade deadline is

The Angels don’t give up.
Rationally, we should have realized that last season was lost after Kendry broke his leg and been sellers. But the management didn’t. What makes anyone think the mentality of the Front Office is suddenly going to change this year?

I’ll believe it when I see it. The overwhelming odds are the Angels either stand pat, or make a move for an overpaid or overrated guy who isn’t a difference maker (like Aramis Ramirez or Mark Reynolds) to give the fans the illusion that “We still have a chance.”

Then we will end up doing nothing of note this offseason except getting outbid for Pujols and Fielder. Then when we miss out on those guys, we will hear the same old bullshit about, “When we get Kendry(s) back, it’s like trading for a 30 HR, 100 RBI guy for nothing.” Then Kendry will come back and not be close to the player he was.

And then we’ll find some way to not bring up Trout until 2013 because he hasn’t mastered slapping the ball to the opposite field to Hatcher’s liking yet. We’ll end up eating 65 million of Wells’ contract while he plays in AAA for the Nationals or somebody. Weaver will sign a record contract with the Yankees. While our lineup will still consist of 6 middle infield types, Mathis half the time and overpaid veterans. And our pitching staff will still be an overpaid bullpen, and who knows what our rotation will be.

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Jun 17, 2011 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs

Dear God

the reality of this is so overwhelming. It’s worse than any scary movie ever.

Baseball is a funny game...

by Halosfan777 on Jun 17, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions

This should have been a fanpost.

Pollyanna is dead. But don't get mad at me, I didn't kill her. Tony Reagins did.

by snowhor on Jun 17, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions

done.

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Jun 17, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions

??

and why not? it is what it is? please explain why this should not have been a fan post?. If you mean its too depressing then I understand, but please say why? or is it you like to be like the white sox homer announcers just always say something great!!! Rev has 39 comments.

by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Jun 18, 2011 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions