Trade Deadline Reality
The past week or so has been littered with trade deadline scenarios and surely the next month and a half will be also. People seem to be asking the same questions:
1. Who can we get to make a run?
2. Who can we trade to get value for?
3. When will the Angels decide to be buyers or sellers.
I think the answer is painfully obvious, but reality is often overlooked in the process of being a fan (I had this happen post-Wells-agedon, when I overlooked reality to believe that our management had a plan with the move.).
The reality of the situation that Angels fans find themselves in right now is as simple as one sentence. We can debate the merits of being sellers or buyers at the deadline, or whether or not the Angels actually have a chance at winning the AL West. It can all be answered with this.
The Angels don’t give up.
Rationally, the Angels should have realized last season was lost after Kendry broke his leg and instantly become sellers. But the management didn’t, and hasn't during any season during the Moreno/Reagins/Soth era (which will hopefully end this season by cutting out the middle man).
What makes anyone think the mentality of the Front Office is suddenly going to change this year?
Personally, I’ll believe it when I see it.
Reality is that the overwhelming odds are the Angels either standing pat, or making a move for an overpaid or overrated guy who isn’t a difference maker (like Aramis Ramirez or Mark Reynolds) to give the fans the illusion that “We still have a chance.” This has been the message we constantly are sent as fans at the deadline.
This is where doom and gloom comes into play in my realistic scenario, which is odd for me because I've been riding the positivity train for most of the season.
The All-Star break will come around, we'll get screwed out of at least one player making the All-Star team (probably Haren or Howie leaving us with Weaver as the only player). Weaver will probably start on Saturday or Sunday before the break, and won't get to pitch as we watch the Yankees, Red Sox and Captain Crackhead battle the best from the National League. We'll finish out this season middling around .500, within shouting distance of contending in the West but never really threatening Texas. No one will hit 30 HRs, maybe 1 player will bat over .300. Trumbo won't finish in the top 3 in ROY voting despite having the best numbers. Vernon and Torii will combine for less HRs and slightly more RBIs then Curtis Granderson. Weaver will get snubbed out of a Cy Young because Lester will have 20+ wins behind the Red Sox offense with inferior numbers to WTY in every other way. Mathis will still be splitting time with Conger. The Red Sox will go on to win the World Series and guarantee even less coverage for any team west of the Mississippi.
Then we will end up doing nothing of note this offseason except getting outbid for Pujols and Fielder. And when we inevitably miss out on those guys, we will hear the same old bullshit about, “When we get Kendry(s) back, it’s like trading for a 30 HR, 100 RBI guy for nothing.” Then Kendry will come back and not be close to the player he was.
And then we’ll find some way to not bring up Trout until 2013 because he hasn’t mastered slapping the ball to the opposite field to Hatcher’s liking yet. We’ll end up eating $60+ million of Wells’ contract while he plays in AAA for the Nationals or somebody. Weaver will sign a record contract with the Yankees when his arbitration runs out.
Our lineup will still consist of 6 middle infield type hitters, Mathis half the time and overpaid veterans. And our pitching staff will still be an overpaid bullpen, and who knows what our rotation will be when we inevitably lose Weaver.
Truth Hurts.
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You know the Angels
they are always looking to do something at the deadline and usually do. They have made some nice deals at the deadline like Tex and Haren, and a bad one with Kazmir. Who knows what happens, but I wouldnt put it past them to go out and make a blockbuster.
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Not this time around.
We are financially maxed out. We can’t afford to add any more payroll. If we want to make a blockbuster, we’ll have to trade for a great cheap player, which means we’ll have to compensate in young talent instead of money. I’d rather not go that route.
The only thing this team should try to do right now is shed payroll, because we are bleeding meaningless cash.
by moralesforpresident on Jun 20, 2011 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably nothing
This team doesn’t really have any choice but to carry the Fail Whale for the remainder of the season.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
Dude, let me just kill myself right now and end the pain.
Where’s Dr. Kevorkian when you REALLY need him??
In the immortal words of Rev Halofan, Sr.: “Judas Priest, go DO something with your life, crime-a-nitt-lee!”
(Go Halos!)
I meant the OTHER Howard!
Amarista?
:)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jun 18, 2011 9:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
One thing is more certain than death and taxes as we approach the trade deadline...
…there will be at least one new thread:
1) Comparing Rivera to Wells
2) Comparing Naps to Mathis after a prerequisite thread questioning why Mathis is in the MLB
3) Comparing Hunter to anyone doing better than him
4) Questioning why Hatcher and Reagins a) still have a job and b) are not in Corcoran for fraud
5) Asking why Rodney has a cap more sideways than his balls to strikes count
6) From an emo Rangers fan posting on HH and getting an analoscopy while ‘attempting’ to give props
7) Of a fanshot video showing some Naps lookalike euro dude blindfolded and smelling bare ass
There is a good chance I’ll start half of them if sufficient cause and alcohol is nearby.
by RedFog on Jun 18, 2011 1:30 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
rec'd ---except for #4
people don’t go to Corcoran for fraud. They go to minimum security federal prisons. Murderers, gangsters and career criminals go to Corcoran…come to think of it, maybe TR DOES belong there!
Kendry is the 800 pound gorilla in the room
IF he is healthy and comes back, we have a pretty decent lineup next year. That’s a big IF. But that also means that the Halos would need to play it close to the vest for the remainder of 2011. Trout is coming fast, and Conger and Trumbo are developing. Wells won’t be the one pushed out next year – Torii will be.
I would say if the Angels are within 3 games in late July, there would be nothing wrong with adding some depth, as long as it’s for free (free-agents-to-be like Kuroda or Buerhle…maybe). Zambrano is crazy and would still cost too much in terms of talent. I’ll pass. The Twins would want too much for Cuddyer. I don’t see them adding a front line position player, though.
Tough call. Flags fly forever. And with our frontline starting pitching depth, we would be tough in any short series.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
Is a western division title enough?
If it is it might be worth making a trade. At only 3 games back we are still in it but even if we make the post season we will get pounded by the likes of the Yanks and Sux.
The angels have been so neurotic about their payroll, passing on several top free agents and then giving up a pot of gold to Vernon Wells that I can’t figure out what they are going to do next. It is obvious that they don’t have any blueprint or plan in place.
At this point if it were up to me I’d start selling near free agent and veteran talent and load up on advanced AAA player to compliment the coming Trout years while waiting for the current deadweight to come off of the payroll. Within 3 years this team could be better than ever.
But who am I fooling they won’t even fire Reagans or Hatcher let alone do something really brave.
"Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem".
The postseason is a toss-up.
If you can get there, anything can happen. It’s all about momentum and a little luck.
Last year everyone thought it’d be New York and Philedelphia in the World Series. They were clearly the best team in their respective leagues. Instead, it was San Francisco and Texas. If there was a poll taken before last year’s playoffs of who people thought would win the World Series, 80% would’ve gone with NYY or PHI.
by moralesforpresident on Jun 20, 2011 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions
This.
I mean, I don’t know who I’d take this postseason. As it stands right now, I’d be inclined to say Cleveland and Philadelphia, but teams get really spotty around now. For all we know, it’ll be Seattle and Florida.
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by Of Maicer and Men on Jun 21, 2011 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Not seeing any Edgar Renterias on our roster
Also not liking our bullpen at all.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
Any postseason appearance brings in millions in revenue.
In the past it has been the difference between a profitable season and one that isn’t for the Angels. In 2009 the fan base was in the same funk and most people were saying that even if they made the playoffs they would get eliminated in the first round. Instead, they swept Boston and went to the ACLS. They probably should have won the ACLS, but that cold weather and Brian Fuentes dashed those hopes.
As far as building for the Trout years——how is it a smart move to trade away proven talent to build your team around a PROSPECT?? Already you can see the Brandon Wood movie re-playing on Angels websites all over the internet. I predict by the end of the season people are going to be calling Scioscia an idiot for not calling up our Lord and Savior Mike Trout. And when, yup I said WHEN, he doesn’t make the roster next spring there will be howls about incompetence in the Angels organization and every single time they lose a game several people on here will moan about their mishandling of Mike Trout. And towards the end of next year when he comes up with the rest of the 40 man and rides pine most of the time, people will be calling for Scioscia’s head. This will all happen despite the fact he is currently at least 2 years younger than the youngest MLB player ( Chatwood) and probably should have at least 2 more seasons in the minors before even seeing Major League pitching. It will happen despite the fact that very few prospects come up and do anything remarkable their first season or two in the Majors. ANd it will happen despite the fact that fan favorite Brandon Wood turned out to be a AAAA player while “lesser” prospects like Bourjos and Trumbo developed into some of the most exciting young MLB talent we’ve ever seen. You can even add Morales into that mix—-he was in AAA with Wood and generated very little fan interest. How about we let Trout develop and focus on keeping our team competitive every year.
by firebird81 on Jun 20, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Read my lips: No new deals!"
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jun 19, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Sell off Callaspo and DFA Mathis!
It would take a TR miracle combined with a Texas mega-collapse to win the division this year. Aside from maybe Prince, that miracle player just is not available this year.
by Jeff McGinness on Jun 19, 2011 11:33 PM PDT reply actions
Texas isn't doing anything special.
This myth keeps getting passed around. Texas really isn’t playing any better baseball than any other team in this division. If not for their streak at the beginning of the season, they wouldn’t even be in first place. This division is WIDE open, more open than it has been in a very long time. NO miracle is required to win the division.
by firebird81 on Jun 20, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, the Division is winnable
However looking at how the Red Sox and others are playing it would be a stretch to say that we would not get swept in the first round. I am not jumping up and down to rebuild but considering the state of the payroll, the Angels relationship with Borass and the fact that most of the team will be free agents after the next season and a half (2012) I do feel that the option of selling now for the future should be looked at.
To me the biggest argument against it is that Reagans is still the GM. Personally I feel this should be corrected today.
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