Ideas for Shaping the 2012 Roster and Beyond
by matt92130 on Jun 19, 2011 7:40 PM PDT
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PrintDear Mr. Arte Moreno,
I'll start with the Front Office and Coaching Staff:
1. Fire Reagins, and hire me for $60,000 a year. It's quite a pay cut for me but to be honest, I would make a better GM than this dick.
2. Fire the whole coaching staff. Hire Bobby Grich as the Manager. Hire Tim Salmon as the bench coach. Hire Garret Anderson as the hitting coach. Hire Darin Erstad as the 3rd base coach. Hire David Eckstein as your 1st base coach. Hire either Chuck Finley or Troy Percival as your pitching coach.
Now, onto the roster:
1. Trade Torii Hunter for Joe Blanton. With Dominic Brown struggling in RF for the Phillies, Torii could provide offense and solid defense in RF. It also takes some of the pressure off Dominic. Raul Ibanez will be a Free Agent next year and Torii could be there almost like a Free Agent acquisition next season for them and allow Dominic Brown to try again. Subtracting Ibanez salary and inserting Hunters is $6M plus for the Phils but also shedding Blantons $10M so it is good for them still financially. As for us, acquiring Blanton and his $10M saves us $8M next season, and will fill a hole in our rotation as you will see below.
2. Trade Erick Aybar, Ervin Santana, Bobby Wilson, and a minor leaguer to the Mets for SS Jose Reyes. Re-sign Reyes to a 7year/$120M deal equalling roughly $17M per. It evens out for the next two seasons given the players you traded away in salary. It fills a void in SS with Aybar for them. Gives them a little stability for their pitching staff which is very much needed. Wilson can step in behind the plate for them or at least serve as a back-up catcher. I say give them there choice of one of our AAA starters.
3. Trade Bobby Abreu to the Red Sox for whatever you can get for him. Crawford just went down with a hamstring injury. J.D. Drew and Mike Cameron are somewhat fragile with their injury history. Plus, Drew will be a Free Agent next season. Abreu would be a very nice addition for any club contending as he provides flexibility in the outfield and at DH. Additionally, it free's us up $9M next season.
4. Thank the good Lord that Kazmirs and Matthews Jr. combined contract totaling $24M is coming off the books. With the above 3 trades and Kaz and GMJ, plus Rodney becoming a FA next season, we save a combined $46M.
5. Sign Albert Pujols this off-season to a 8yr/$216M deal, which equals $27M per. Basically, offer to build him and his family a home, give him free rides on a private jet, plus incentives for hitting career milestones and all-time milestones.
6. Re-sign Jered Weaver to a 6yr/$126M deal equaling $21M per. He may sign as a local product and waiting to stay in SoCal plus, proving to him we are committed to winning with the additions of Reyes and Pujols.
7. Sign Jason Giambi as the 25th man on our roster for power coming off the bench.
Here is the line-up:
1. Jose Reyes SS
2. Howard Kendrick 2nd
3. Kendry Morales DH (We'll see how he comes back from the injury).
4. Albert Pujols 1st
5. Mark Trumbo 3rd (If he wants to play ball for us, he has to learn to play 3rd base. He's young enough to learn).
6. Vernon Wells LF
7. Mike Trout RF (The Prodigy will be ready by then).
8. Hank Conger C
9. Peter Bourjos CF
Bench:
1.Callaspo
2. Izturis
3. Mathis
4. Pettit
5. Giambi
Starting pitching:
1. Jered Weaver
2. Dan Haren
3. Joel Piniero or Mark Buerhle (Sign one of them to 3yrs/24M to be our #3 guy).
5. Joe Blanton (Signed through 2012 only).
Bullpen:
1. Hasanori Takahashi
2. Between Jepsen, Thompson, Bell, Kohn, or another minor league arm.
3. Between Jepsen, Thompson, Bell, Kohn, or another minor league arm.
4. Between Jepsen, Thompson, Bell, Kohn, or another minor league arm.
Set-up: Scott Downs
Closer: Jordan Walden
This team is a hot mess right now, and being run into the ground financially. The Angels spend like they are a 100 win team with serious opportunities of winning the World Series, but in reality they are a .500 team and not a win better. Please consider this fan's, along with many others a plead for a change in the right direction.
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That is a shiiiit load of money we don't really have
Kazmir’s, GMJ’s, Fraudney’s, and Pinerios’ contracts won’t be enough for Reyes, Pujols, Buehrle, and a Weaver extension. The coaching staff is fine although I like the idea of Anderson or Salmon as a hitting coach (I miss Rod Carew.) but I think we should go into rebuild mode. Trade Aybar, Izturis/Callaspo, Abreu, Hunter (if you can), Weaver, Haren, Santana, etc. We need to look forward to a future not the present
RE:
The Angels cannot trade Weaver or Haren. The Angels do not need to go into full on rebuild mode. The money is there given the $46M I explained above for all the moves I would make. Trading away Santana, Aybar, Wilson, and a minor league arm equals the 17M you’d be giving Reyes, Hell, you might be able to get Reyes for $15M… who knows. No money is even subtracted yet from the $46M. Subtract the $27M I’d give Albert and that leaves you with $19M. The Angels are already paying Piniero $8M per so it’s not subtracting anything from the remaining $19M. I said Piniero OR Buehrle, not both. My giving of Weaver $21M per, is a $14M pay raise. Subtracting that from $19M leaves us $5M. The money is there.
Oh and nice word choice calling Tony a dick, well done
Brandon Wood 4 Prez
by miketrout on Jun 19, 2011 8:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Fail
You’re suggesting a few trades that are very unlikely – the Phillies taking on the 18 million Hunter is owed, the Red Sox taking Abreu with his soon to be vesting option. So your post is a little more fantasy than realistic. That’s OK, I can deal with that.
But in your fantasy world, you STILL have Jeff Mathis on the Angels? Even after firing Scioscia and replacing him with Grich? Come on, man, we need a better catcher on the days Hank can’t play.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
Believe me
I am not a Mathis fan but he is signed through next season. True, we could and probably should just cut him but I really don’t know what else we have beyond Conger, Mathis, and Wilson.
CUT him anyway
What’s a couple million dollars to the FO if, according to your proposal, we’re going to spend away the future and double ticket prices in the process?
Swung on and missed, he struck him out! ~ Terry Smith
Angels' 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 9-7
He's not signed through next season.
He’s eligible for arbitration but could be cut for nothing. This is one thing that can happen without having to believe in fairy tales.
Pollyanna is dead. But don't get mad at me, I didn't kill her. Tony Reagins did.
I'll do you one better. Seven steps to being less crappy for 2012.
1) Non-tender Mathis after the season. Obvious reasons here. I say Mathis rather than Willits because…well, even if he sucks too, we’ll need him according to my plan (see below). But Mathis will become obsolete (not that he isn’t already).
2) Re-sign Joel Pineiro to another two-year deal, identical to what we gave him before 2010. He may not seem like the most valuable pitcher to us, but we’ll miss this guy when he’s gone. Now that Kaz is gone, nobody would amply fill the hole Pineiro leaves behind—Takahashi can barely handle relief; Reckling is…well, a wreck. And none of the has-been hacks in Arkansas and Salt Lake (i.e. Jerome Williams, Daniel Cabrera) are going to turn into Ryan Vogelsong and suddenly dazzle everyone. CC will never happen (we tried it once, and the Yankees outbid us), and Edwin Jackson will become Scott Kazmir. Hang on to Pineiro—we’ll need him.
3) Trade Erick Aybar, Bobby Wilson and Barret Browning to Minnesota for Michael Cuddyer. Cuddyer literally can play ANYWHERE you put him—so what happens? Cuddyer shifts to third base, Izturis plays shortstop and Kendrick plays second. Callaspo sits on the bench so we have a good tenth man riding the pine.
4) With Wilson and Mathis now gone, Conger needs a season veteran to back him up—enter Bengie Molina. Now, those of us dedicated fans know that Molina has gone public in stating that the Angels, after the 2005 season, “threw [him] away like a piece of trash,” although his agent told a different story—that the two received several calls from Angels management regarding their decision to make his brother, Jose, the starting catcher. So why not try and mend the relationship there? Bengie still has a little bit of hustle, and he could serve as an excellent mentor to Conger—plus, it brings some of the older fans back.
5) Non-tender Kendrys Morales. This may be the most insane of the ideas on this list, but we can’t keep putting faith in him like we did Kelvim Escobar or Brandon Wood. One good season does not mean you become a franchise icon, it means you’re a flickering flame. And let’s face it—he hasn’t played in over a year. The flame’s dying. Trumbo’s coming into his own—maybe not as dangerous as Morales was in 2009, but when Trout comes up to the bigs (see below), I don’t think we’ll really miss K-Mo much.
6) Trade Bobby Abreu to an AL club for a couple of low-level minor leaguers. Once his option vests, he’s guaranteed for another year and will give some other team a great DH for 2012. But when Trout arrives (see below), someone’s got to go. And no team will take one of the two albatrosses (Vernon and Torii), meaning Bobby’s the odd man out. Fans love him, but they’ll love Trout more.
7) Start Mike Trout in right field, and DH Torii. This completes the picture we all have in our heads—2012 is THE year. We’ll have a pretty solid bench (see below) and Trout finally gets to play big league ball. He’s tearing the minor leagues up, so why not take a gamble on him at long last? Any longer and he’ll fester like Brandon Wood did—and Angels faithful will not be happy with that. Plus, Torii will try to shine in his contract year, and we can always rotate with the outfield (see roster below) if he starts to get hot.
2012 STARTING LINEUP
SS: Maicer Izturis
3B: Michael Cuddyer
DH: Torii Hunter
1B: Mark Trumbo
RF: Mike Trout
LF: Vernon Wells
2B: Howie Kendrick
C: Hank Conger
CF: Peter Bourjos
2012 BENCH
3B: Alberto Callaspo
C: Bengie Molina
2B: Alexi Amarista
OF: Reggie Willits
2012 STARTING ROTATION
SP: Jered Weaver
SP: Dan Haren
SP: Ervin Santana
SP: Joel Pineiro
SP: Tyler Chatwood
2012 BULLPEN
LRP: Hisanori Takahashi
LRP: Matt Palmer
MRP: Kevin Jepsen
MRP: Francisco Rodriguez
MRP: Fernando Rodney
SU: Scott Downs
CL: Jordan Walden
"Erstad says he's got it, Erstad...MAKES THE CATCH! The Anaheim Angels are the champions of baseball!" - Rory Markas, October 27, 2002
by Of Maicer and Men on Jun 19, 2011 10:52 PM PDT reply actions
No cuddyer at 3B and aybar alone is too much for him
Plus Garret richards is NOT a hack in AA.. He is better than Chatwood and mark my word, WILL BE OUR NEXT ACE
Brandon Wood 4 Prez
by miketrout on Jun 19, 2011 10:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
By hacks, I meant the has-beens that we think still have a chance.
Like the people who were mildly good 7 years ago.
"Erstad says he's got it, Erstad...MAKES THE CATCH! The Anaheim Angels are the champions of baseball!" - Rory Markas, October 27, 2002
by Of Maicer and Men on Jun 19, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I like this
Not a ton of money being thrown around here. Maicer as the full time SS is scary and we would be used to seeing an “A” squad of Cuddyer and Izturis and a “B” squad of Callaspo and Amarista.
Swung on and missed, he struck him out! ~ Terry Smith
Angels' 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 9-7
by blast21dave on Jun 19, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Bengie still has a little bit of hustle"
made me LOL at work. At best, Bengie Molina had a little bit of hustle.
Seemed like every double he hit
was a hustle double.
Swung on and missed, he struck him out! ~ Terry Smith
Angels' 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 9-7
Just a quick thought (agree with a good chunk of what you wrote)
Perhaps Brandon wood didnt fester in the minors. Maybe he was supposed to be down there to learn how to take a curveball low and away, lay off breaking balls in the dirt and take a walk once in a while. Maybe the team was right to keep a guy in the minors to learn to make adjustments and not strike out every other at bat.
It is insane to believe that brandon was ruined by playing in the minor leagues too long. He was ruined by thinking he was too damn good to have to learn how to hit better than he already was.
by Balls and Strikes on Jun 20, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd argue this.
At no point in Brandon’s career did I ever see even a hint of cockiness or arrogance. The guy’s body language was atrocious. He was much closer to timid then he was to “thinking he was too damn good”.
I hardly remember him ever smiling, which is something I only realized when I see him smiling in the Pirates dugout.
And suggesting that he was supposed to be learning how to take a walk would imply that taking a walk is of any importance to our system. In his 494 PA with the Angels, he drew 13 walks. In his first 113 with the Pirates, he already has 8. Both low walk rates, but one is alarmingly low and the other is slightly lower than league average. I would blame that more on coaching then by “thinking he was too damn good to learn how to hit better”.
He was handled horribly while he was in our system, especially considering that he was our top prospect. You don’t bring up your #1 guy and start him 2 out of 10 games. You plug him in and let him have at it for a few weeks. Then if he struggles or succeeds, back to the minors or in the starting lineup.
Every other team does this. Giants did it with Belt this year. Pirates did it with McCutchen. Rays with Longoria. Mets with Wright. Teams that are contending and teams that are struggling. You fit it in your plans. I think that is why Wood failed.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
by IE Angel on Jun 20, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
small asterisk
of those 8 walks, 2 were Mathisian NL-walk-anybody-with-a-pulse-in-front-of-the-pitcher-IBB.
Only 6 were actual hitting skills walks. But still an improvement, yes.
The one knock on Trout
. . . has been his arm. You shift Wells over to right, and play Trout in Left (where I think his future is).
Also, there is NO WAY that Scioscia bats Trout in the 5 hole. He is not a 5 hole hitter.
If you don't remember when there weren't rocks in center field, you might not be a real Angels fan.
Trout's arm has average strength, plus accuracy.
Basically like Erstad or GA and they both handles CF well. I do agree with you though that LF is a better fit.
He travels fastest who travels alone.
Takahashi looks like he's turned things around
1 run in his last 9 IP, over 6 appearances. Sure he started off rough, but he looks like the guy we wanted now.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Jun 20, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
While I have multiple issues with this
the one thing that sticks out the most is Fernando Rodney listed in your 2012 bullpen. Is re-signing Fraudney step 8 to a less crappy 2012?
"I too played shortstop for many years until I was struck down by Acne and Baby Fat" HST
by No Bologna Polonia on Jun 20, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Fraudney comes off the books after this year, right?
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
My mistake.
Sub in Michael Kohn for Fraudney.
"Erstad says he's got it, Erstad...MAKES THE CATCH! The Anaheim Angels are the champions of baseball!" - Rory Markas, October 27, 2002
by Of Maicer and Men on Jun 20, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
While I agree you're not spending money here...
But why would the Twins want Aybar when they paid Tsuyoshi Nishioka $9M over 3 years to play SS? I guess Aybar or Nishioka could play 2nd.
I’m still not sure that that line-up gives us any more power than what we have now. I think Callaspo could put up Cuddyer’s numbers plus Cuddyer will be 33 next season.
With that line-up, I’d bat:
1. Iztris SS
2. Kendrick 2nd
3. Hunter DH
4. Trumbo 1st
5. Wells RF
6. Cuddyer 3rd
7. Trout LF
8. Conger C
9. Bourjos CF
I just don’t see the benefit, power wise. Plus, I think we owe it to the pitching staff to add some significant power to show them we are committed to supporting them. Also, if we don’t add some serious pop to the line-up. Weaver will leave.
Why are we all in such a hurry to trade Aybar
Like productive short stops just grow on trees or something… On this roster, only Izzy plays a credible short. You think he’s starting 150+ games there?
There’s so little flexibility in making major changes to this roster in terms of available trades, free agents and minor league talent that I really think they should just make the most of what is already here:
1. Keep Abreu around, as he’s the only hitter we have that has a clue. His $9 million should be an afterthought to this team.
2. Wells and Hunter make an obscene amount of money. On no planet should either of them get to coast on the bench, making three times what other DH’s of equal-or-better offensive prowess get paid. Besides, they’re both pretty good corner outfielders.
3. Let Trout beat out Bourjos for the starting gig in center. Everyone says he’s plus plus out there, which means he might be slightly less great than Petey with the glove. Who cares? His bat should make the trade off well worth it. Pete can either fill the Willits role or go back to AAA where he can play every day and be ready when someone gets hurt. He still remains an option once Hunter is gone in 2013.
4. I agree about Pineiro. Another two years seems like a decent gamble and there are no better alternatives out there next year.
5. Keep both Trumbo and Kendrys. Having two powerful bats under team control is a good thing. The odds that both are healthy and productive at the same time next year probably aren’t that great, anyways.
6. Release Mathis. This goes without saying.
I don’t see a Pujols, Fielder, Reyes or Sabbathia signing next year. We have very little leverage to make trades. The pieces are there to return to glory next season. If Mathis is gone, the catching situation will be better. The first base situation should be better by either a motivated Kendrys or a more experienced Trumbo. Trout should provide some life, especially replacing Petey’s little bat. The pitching and defense should do just as well. Wells should hit better going forward and Torii should still be useful.
Reagins has done some damage, but it’s not a complete disaster. We’ll get through this and the team will remain competitive. I vote no on rebuild.
by dmhead on Jun 23, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree with all of this
There won’t be any major rebuild, and there is absolutely no reason to dump Kendrys, he’s not making that much.
If you add in to that a smart FA signing or trade for a quality player, then the team will be looking pretty good for 2012. Of course thats a big IF with Reagins still maning the helm!
A decent starting framework
I know our situation is messy and I like the post’s try overall, but the two points I don’t like are Jose Reyes, which I don’t really think is as good as most people do and moving Trumbo to 3rd, mostly because of the types of fielding issues he has had at first, seem like the kind of problems that would be magnified at 3rd. I tend to lean towards Maicer and Men’s view on 1B, more of a longer term view on Trumbo @ 1B and less confidence in Morales.
You realize the Angels are only 3.5 games out right?
With a solid pitching staff and injured players returning they could potentially make a run. especially if there were to be a mid-season acquisition.
Now that Lackey has turned to the enemy lets kick his ass
by Angelsrthebest101 on Jun 20, 2011 12:55 AM PDT reply actions
I know we're only 3.5 games out...
that’s only because we’re playing in the AL West and we’re still 3 games under .500.
Tweak that line-up a little bit.
Put Pujols in the 3 spot with Kendrys behind him, otherwise no one will pitch to King Albert. Besides, Kendrys is more naturally suited to clean-up.
Although I do like Trout at 7. I think it’d take a spectacular performance in his rookie season for Scioscia to put him in the front of a line-up. By his sophomore season, he should be a fixture at the top, but Scioscia doesn’t like to rush the young guys.
by moralesforpresident on Jun 20, 2011 12:55 AM PDT reply actions
Besides the obvious we still have 2011
This lineup is completely unrealistic. Since when have the Angels won a spending war for players such as Mark Texeira, Adrian Beltre, CC Sabathia, and Carl Crawford. I think they went 0-5 on that front. Signing Pujols is unprobable. Tearing the coaching staff and front office will put the team in rebuilding for 5-10 years. DUMB! Some of the points are rational but your entire view is not.
Now that Lackey has turned to the enemy lets kick his ass
by Angelsrthebest101 on Jun 20, 2011 1:00 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Steps to winning
1: fire Tony
2: ????
3: Profit $$$$$
Brandon Wood 4 Prez
by miketrout on Jun 20, 2011 2:05 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
If Tony is not fired, everything else is wasted energy.
Respectfully, I disagree wholeheartedly with shit-canning the entire coaching staff. In my opinion, that is overkill.
Perhaps
The implication of firing the entire coaching staff is that they failed. I’d argue they performed favorably with the old, tired, and/or talent-less roster they were handed. It’s unlikely Bobby Grich, Tony Larussa, Bobby Cox, Earl Weaver or Connie Mack would win more games or produce better results that Soth has.
If he under-performs with a more talented roster, then talk about firing him.
*More after the break
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Jun 20, 2011 10:32 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Haha
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Jun 20, 2011 11:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I love posts like these
So I can feel superior
Jeff Mathis Batting Average Watch: .197
by ryanfea on Jun 20, 2011 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Haha
Please explain. You’ve caught my interest…. not a whole lot, but a little.
These ideas are impossible
And For some reason I don’t see Arte Moreno raising the payroll to 200 million, the Phillies aren’t gonna swallow Torii’s contract, Erstad would not want to be the third base coach, Trumbo can’t play third, Morales is not gonna be able to hit like he used to, Jepsen is not a MLB pitcher, Giambi is over 40 and has nothing left etc. etc.
Jeff Mathis Batting Average Watch: .197
by ryanfea on Jun 20, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
It all works in a vacuum but some of these moves just ain’t happening… Nobody is going to eat $18MM for Torii. Erstad just signed on to be the head coach at Nebraska. Trumbo isn’t a 3B. It’s doubtful the Sox have any interest in Abreu unless Papi walks.
Also, if you are going to trade Torii and Abreu this year it seems as if you are focusing on next year. In that case, why trade Aybar, Ervin, Wilson, and a prospect for 2 months of Reyes when you can just sign him as a FA in December? Might as well trade those valuable pieces elsewhere, hopefully not for an aging slugger making 20MM a year.
Disagree
Between JD Drew and Mike Cameron becoming free agents next season, Abreu is the kind of player the Red Sox would like to have, especially for this season going into the playoffs.
I am focusing on next season. If you want to attract a guy like Pujols, and keep the likes of Weaver, you’re going to have to show them you are committed to winning. I do agree though that you may be able to get Reyes in the off-season, but it’s tough to get two A free agents in the same off-season.
Agree to disagree
Abreu is absolutely atrocious in the OF and the Sox have made it clear they want to play top notch defense. He’s not going to take DH ABs away from Papi.
Speaking for the Sox...
… absolutely no interest in Abreu. Not really an outfielder anymore and I think the assumption is that we’d rather pay a bit more for Papi’s superior hitting skills.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 20, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Where is your reasoning besides just your opinion?
What level of math did you last complete? I saved the Angels on payroll by $5M next season. The payroll is not even close to $200M.
The Phillies aren’t swallowing Torii’s $18M. They gave away Blanton’s $10M so they only take on $8M. Next season, when Ibanez is a FA, they rid themselves of the $11.5M he made for 2011. So they actually saved $3.5M and Torii is better defensively so they gain there and he puts up similar numbers.
I may have gone overboard with the coaching staff and stuff but Erstad is a fiery competitor and he has Angel history. I also feel the current staff isn’t getting all they can out of the players so an injection of Angel lore and a guy like Esrtad probably can.
I want Trumbo in the line-up and I feel like he’s the kind of player will play any position you ask him to to play ball. He’s just a team player. Albert can play 3rd sometimes too.
If Morales can hit 20HR’s, drive in 85, and hit .270 his 1st year back, I’ll be excited. He was on pace to have similar numbers in 2010 as in 2009 before his injury. The question with his injury is not whether or not he can still hit, it’s being mobile enough to play the field and run the bases.
For the relief pitching, I didn’t guarantee Jepsen a spot, I put it up grabs between a multitude of our pitchers. May the best man win.
Don’t focus on Giambi… he’s a guy that would be happy to be on a club next season that could not demand big money, let alone the 850K he makes this year. If it’s the 9th inning, 2 outs, 1 guy on 1st, with two outs, I don’t want Mathis, Callaspo, or any other slap hitter coming up. I would want a guy with some power.
they tried Trumbo at 3B
and it was a disaster
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN
by 2pintsofbooze on Jun 20, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Minors, I do believe.
He was deemed less than reliable at the hot corner.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Fair enough..... damn
Well, Albert has been playing 3rd occasionally for the Cards. Maybe he would consider playing 3rd for us?
now you're reaching
but I guess thats what this whole post is
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN
by 2pintsofbooze on Jun 20, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes I am with my last...
But the the rest of it is not, well a little, now with the Trumbo to 3rd. The rest is still completely doable.
So it is written, so it is done!
Pollyanna is dead. But don't get mad at me, I didn't kill her. Tony Reagins did.
Bingo! That's what it was.
And I seem to remember him not doin’ that great of a job.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Yes I exaggerated on 200 million but you did not save them 5 mil
And the Phillies are not just gonna take on 8 million of an aging, almost useless Torii Hunter. Not all general managers are like Tony Reagins.
Let’s add (in millions):
21 for VW
27 for Pujols
17 for Reyes
21 for Weaver (Pujols, Reyes and Weaver’s contracts would also have to have signing bonuses which you have not figured in)
12.75 for Haren
10 for Blanton
8 for Pineiro or Mark Buerhle
5 for Downs
5 at least if not more for Howie Kendrick
4.2 for Takahashi
4 at least for Callaspo
3.8 for Izturis
3 at least for Morales
2.5 for Kaz buyout
2 for Mathis
1 for Giambi
414,000 a piece for a handful of other players
This is already 10 million more than what our payroll is this season without counting in signing bonuses or money we would inevitably have to chip in on the Torii, Reyes and Abreu deals. Teams don’t just take on big contracts like Hunter, Abreu etc just because they have impending free agents. The value of Hunter and Abreu and others are not high enough to spend that kind of cash when they can invest it in something better in free agency
Jeff Mathis Batting Average Watch: .197
by ryanfea on Jun 20, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
That wasn't the question
The question was: “What level of math did you last complete?” Clearly you do not understand arithmetic well enough to comprehend Arte Moreno’s ability to summon vast sums of money from higher-dimensional spacetimes.
by Suboptimal on Jun 20, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's responses like this that keep me reading to the end.
At Halos Heaven, eventually someone makes it worth your while. Thank you, sir.
I meant the OTHER Howard!
Why not do this?
DFA Morales
Sign Fielder
Sign Pujols
Have Trumbo play SS
Trade Aybar for Heath Bell resign him.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
by hauldog on Jun 20, 2011 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Is Granderson available?
Let sign him! And trade Mathis for Josh Hamilton!
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Points
1. Reyes will get more than Crawford if he hits the open market. His production and age at SS will easily get him more.
2. Aybar is a FA after 2012 — he doesn’t have as much value as people think in the trade market.
3. If Trumbo could play 3B you don’t think the club would have had him play 3B in the minors already?
4. Cliff Lee got a contract for $24 million AAV. That’s the starting point for Weaver.
5. The Mets would want any offer to start with Trout. No Trout = No Reyes.
Jeff Mathis = sure fire 1st ballot Hall of Fame inductee
Funny how people forget the massive raises a whole bunch of the better players are getting at the end of this year.
You are all terrible at being GM, now stop it.
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by PhiSlamma on Jun 20, 2011 11:32 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I agree this plan won't work..
But posts like these at least generate conversation among the HH community. I’ve got no problems with people playing fantasy GM.
I like these plans
But I really don’t think we need to go that far. I like the ideas of going after Reyes, Cuddyer, getting Blanton and resigning Weaver. Abreu needs to be moved. If we keep Morales then either he or Trumbo may go to DH. Then there is the who problem that our outfield is old and one of them may need to DH.
No chance we get Pujols, we are saddled with Vernone
who should go and join GMJ since he is our latest GMJ contract, only worse.
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You lost me at
Sign Jason G.
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
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You had me at Pujols
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jun 21, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Torii has a full no-trade clause, so that basically lays this plan to rest
Without a new cash infusion, the Angels should have enough money to make one significant move after arbitration raises are factored in. Keep in mind that I use the word “significant” loosely and a bit more in reference to cost than skill.
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I think their best bet..
may be to leave the offense as is. I know that sounds ridiculous considering that the offense is their problem but the only real impact bats available via FA are 1B and maybe some OF.. Positions where we already have a log jam of players.. Adding Kuroda and/or CJ Wilson to the trio of Weav, Haren, Ervin would be pretty dirty.
Some nice bullpen arms out there as well.
You may be right
I don’t see the team having the funds available to sign Fielder of Pujols and we will need at least one starter assuming Chatwood continues to hold his own. I wouldn’t mind brining Pineiro back for another year or two. Wilson and Edwin Jackson might be worth pursuing, and if Darvish is posted this winter, we should at least kick the tires. Ideally, I’d like to see us acquire another decent starter and try to sign Weaver to an extension this winter.
On the offensive side, it seems we’re forced to hope that Kendrys is able to come back and at least DH full time. The Wells trade basically forced us into this position until after 2012. If Morales is able to return to his duties at first base, then I would see if I could trade Mark Trumbo for someone like Casey McGehee or Mat Gamel. We have a long way to go before this even becomes a possibility, but an infield of Morales, Kendrick, Aybar/Izturis, McGehee could actually do some damage behind our pitching staff. It all really hinges on Morales though, thanks to last winter’s decisions.
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by Commander_Nate on Jun 21, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure what we do about next season either
I do not think we should trade Trumbo. He is young. He is cheap. He hustles. He has power. We need to keep him and play him. We also cannot assume, as we did this year, that Morales will be healthy and productive next season. I was totally wrong for making that assumption before this season.
The question is what we do if Morales is healthy. I hope we have this problem. It of course is much better than the alternative of not having Morales again. The obvious solution would be to DH Morales and play Trumbo at 1B. This may not be possible, however, because of our logjam in the outfield with Wells, Bourjos, Hunter, and Abreu all under contract for next season. That does not even take into account the very real possibility that Trout will be ready to start for the Angels in 2012.
What we do with guys like Izturis, Aybar, Callaspo, Kendrick, and our catchers is almost irrelevant. I assume that all, or almost all, of those guys will return next year (perhaps minus Mathis or Wilson). I, like everyone else, think we have to move Hunter or Abreu before 2012. I just don’t know if it will be possible to do so. More likely, I think everyone will be back, Trout will compete with Bourjos for the CF job, and everyone else’s playing time will be sorted out based on injuries.
We are pretty much in agreement
I only brought up the idea of Trumbo for McGehee/Gamel in case Morales does return to his former level of production relatively quickly. In that case, it would help clear some of our logjam and allow us to improve at a position where we need to for fairly cheap. The Brewers will probably need a 1B after this season and Trumbo has been adequate so far. Plus, he is under team control for a while. McGehee and Gamel are both in similar situations with the Brewers and play 3rd base, though Gamel is still more of a prospect and McGehee is having a poor season.
It might not be this specific move, but if all goes well with Morales next year, trading our young, surplus 1B for a similar counterpart at 3B seems like it would be a good move.
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by Commander_Nate on Jun 22, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Nor have I
He’s young and in the care of the best, most experienced medical professionals Arte’s money can buy. I have no doubt he will be able to get in the box, swing a bat again and run at a below-average level (not like he was a speed demon before, anyway). My only doubt is how soon this will be, considering that 1.5 – 2 years off is likely to have affected his timing and plate discipline.
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by Commander_Nate on Jun 21, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Nor have I
Cut Morales and he will be knocking in Runs in Texas or Oakland next year. Few of the ideas put forth here are even possible let alone reasonable. What we should do is admit it is time to rebuild while we have some talent to trade. What is more likely to happen is we ride this ship to the bottom and watch our talent sign with other teams.
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Tyler Chatwood could be the prospect to the Mets
Richards looks about ready
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Kendrys
Does anyone think he has any trade value either now or this off-season? If so, what type of return do you think he could net?
I know I’m opening this up for some goof ball answers here but I’m hoping to get a few legit answers from some of the HHer’s I have some faith in.
If Toronto still had him, Vernon Wells.
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Trade Value? No
He’s become our own reclamation project at this point
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by blast21dave on Jun 21, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
You could get something for him
Not a lot, probably a straight swap for a league-average player or a couple of iffy prospects. But why would you want to? The other team would be looking to leverage a small surplus into a bargain acquisition with relatively little risk, given Kendrys’ contractual situation. The Angels wouldn’t have a lot to gain in that scenario. Position players aren’t as fragile as pitchers, so while Morales is still in his arbitration years, there just isn’t a compelling reason to cut bait on him and run like he’s Scott Kazmir.
Your response completely ignores the clear fact that Arte Moreno is planning to issue one of his ultimatums to Albert Pujols to sign with us.
Did you not even read this thread and all it’s comments?
We don’t have room for Kendrys because we are guaranteed to acquire Pujols. Who would you cut from the roster to make room for him, Jeff Mathis?
You’re so absurd.
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by snowhor on Jun 21, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
besides DOV
who here on HH do you still have faith in?
and regarding your question, I’m going to refer you to subop’s response. that was actually my answer, he just stole it from me.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Jun 21, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd float him out there if I were GM
But the chances of getting another elite-level player or prospect in return are kind of low. Besides, there’s still the chance for us to get 2 productive seasons out of him for cheap and then either re-sign him or take 2 draft picks when he leaves.
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by Commander_Nate on Jun 21, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Just read an article on ESPN Insider
That the Red Sox are looking to deal for an outfielder as well. Namely a RF. Rumors have it that they are looking at Cuddyer, Dejesus, Willingham, or Pence. Obviously, of that group Pence stands out as the clear cut favorite but do the Red Sox have enough to offer the Astros? Abreu has better numbers than those guys with the exception of Pence but still a better OBP. The salaries are all really close and they have Drew becoming a FA after the season.
Additionally, they’re looking for another catcher. Offer Bobby Wilson.
Offer Bobby Abreu and Bobby Wilson to the Red Sox for 20 year old 3rd baseman Garin Cecchini, and AAA starter LHP Felix Doubront or RHP Anthony Ranaudo.
The difference is
None of those guys have an option that is going to vest paying them $9MM next year… All are going to become FAs (except pence)
Offer Bobby Abreu and Bobby Wilson to the Red Sox for 20 year old 3rd baseman Garin Cecchini, and AAA starter LHP Felix Doubront or RHP Anthony Ranaudo.
I’d counter with J.D. Drew and Mike Cameron for Mike Trout. I missed the part where Tony Reagins is our GM too…
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jun 22, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Those guys are all RH hitters
The Sox 1B, DH and entire starting outfield all hit LH, they’re looking for a RH hitter.
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