The Straight Dope on the Angels Roster
It's summer, which means two things for fans of a mediocre team that is (miraculously) just three games out of first: (1) it's time to talk about fantastical mid-season trades, and (2) it's almost time to talk about off-season moves to make up for the lack of a fantastical mid-season trade. The two are related, because the plausibility of each depends on the Angels' long-term roster commitments. You might be excited about Scott Kazmir and Gary Matthews Jr. taking $26 million off the books next year, but you'd be forgetting that just about everyone else will be getting a raise. So here are the straightest facts I could find, mostly from Cot's. Use them when plotting your next Fielder-for-Aybar trade scenario.
From the "It's Not My Money" Department
Just for fun (or maybe out of self-loathing), here's a peek at Tony's ledger on the Vernon Wells trade after 76 games:
Assets ----- Not paying Mike Napoli $2.7M Not paying Juan Rivera $2.6M Pity money (<3 Alex) $2.3M ----- Total Assets $7.6M Liabilities ----- Moneybomb! $10.8M Mike Napoli 1.4 WAR $7.0M Juan Rivera 0.4 WAR $2.0M Vernon Wells -0.3 WAR $1.5M ----- Total Liabilities $21.3M Net Loss ----- Year To Date $13.7M Projected $29.2M
If converting WAR to dollars seems a little abstract, then let me to put it another way.
Flash back to November 2010
Tony: Hey Arte, I have this great plan about how to return to the playoffs next season.
Arte: What's that?
Tony: You give me millions and millions of dollars in cash, and I'll throw it in one of those empty dumpsters in the basement underneath the clubhouse. Then we'll douse it in gasoline and light the whole thing on fire.
Arte: How is that supposed to help? That's money I could spend to get better players.
Tony: You're going to love this: I heard Mark Whicker say that the Angels "just needed someone to light a fire under them." It's so perfect!
Arte: Well, it still doesn't sound like a good idea to me, but baseball operations are your end of the business...
Flash forward to June 2011
Arte: Reagins, you bastard! We're still a .500 team. You told me you had a plan!
Tony: I did, Arte, it's just that--things got...complicated.
Arte: I told you, if you forget where your parking spot is again, just tell the staff and they'll walk you out.
Tony: No, it's not that. I did what I said I would do: I took your money, heaved it in a dumpster, and poured gasoline all over it. But it wouldn't light itself on fire!
Arte: I think you're missing a step there.
Tony: I can't figure it out, but I've got another plan. You see, I read Whicker's latest column, and he said that "the Angels just need an igniter in the clubhouse."
This is why Arte's money matters to fans. What he spends on bad players can't be spent on good players. And he's only willing to spend so much.
How much?
You can either read between the lines when Arte Moreno talks about revenues and expenditures, or else just look at the actual revenues and expenditures and figure it our for yourself. You should reach the same conclusion: the team cannot sustain its current $140 million payroll on its current revenue streams. The future likely holds an annual payroll in the $125-$135 million range, and if the league-wide decrease in attendance is any indication, it would be most realistic to assume a figure closer to the lower bound. Let's break down the projected spending for 2012.
Money that is all but spent
The Angels are contractually required to spend this money next year, or find someone else who is willing to do it for them. That's likely not going to happen, as I'll explain.
Vernon Wells
2012 salary: $21 million
The unwanted gift that keeps on giving ($21M in 2012), and giving ($21M in 2013), and giving ($21M in 2014). Maybe he'll save the team by opting out of the remaining three years on his contract, and maybe the baby boomers will save Social Security by giving up on their benefits.
Torii Hunter
2012 salary: $18 million
With Torii projected to finish the season batting .248 / .322 / .407, the Angels are paying a premium on the twilight of his career. At this point, they can only hope to avoid paying for the nightfall as well.
Dan Haren
2012 salary: $12.8 million
When you consider how awesome he is, Haren is relatively cheap. Easily the best long-term contract the Angels' stable. They need more assets like this one, and fewer like the ones above.
Ervin Santana
2012 salary: $11.2 million
This looked like it was going to be a bargain in early 2009, when Ervin was one the best pitchers in the American League. I just hope Tony checked on Ervin's elbow before inking the deal.
Bobby Abreu
2012 salary: $9 million (vesting option)
Abreu would have to break a leg, like, yesterday in order to miss out on the 119 PA needed to trigger his vesting option on 2012. At least the old man can still get on base, which is more than can be said for the other old men on the team.
Scott Downs
2012 salary: $5 million
Meh. He's probably worth it.
Hisanori Takahashi
2012 salary: $4.2 million
Not much better than a AAAA-type, but at ten times the price. Why can't the Angels produce any left-handed relievers of their own?
Maicer Izturis
2012 salary: $3.8 million
Izturis is a very good player at this price, even in light of the injury risk. It's too bad there aren't three or four middle-infield positions, or the Angels would rock the world.
Total 2012 commitment: $85 million
This money isn't going anywhere. Moving most of these players would either require the Angels to either eat the money outright or else take on a comparably sized contract in exchange. Dan Haren is the only high-paid player with positive trade value, but why would you want to trade him? Although the $85 million due to these eight players could buy a tolerable baseball team in its own right, the 2012 Angels are just getting started.
Maintaining the status quo
While no one is forcing the Angels to spend money on their arbitration-eligible players, they almost certainly will. It would be virtually impossible to find equivalent-or-better production on the open market at lower cost (look at the list of available free agents if you don't believe me). The eventual salaries might vary, but a 50% raise year-over-year is the overall pattern for players who perform well.
Jered Weaver
2012 salary: $12 million (estimated Arb 3)
In the midst of another sensational season, you can bet that Scott Boras will be pushing hard in arbitration, and this time he might win. You can also forget about a multi-year extension this late in the game.
Howie Kendrick
2012 salary: $5 millio (estimated Arb 3)
Howie is still the best hitter on the team, almost half-way through the season. He has a nice raise coming his way.
Erick Aybar
2012 salary: $4.5 million (estimated Arb 3)
This one could change a bit depending on Erick's second half, but the league is short on talent at shortstop right now. This could make his mediocre performance look even better to an arbitration panel.
Alberto Callaspo
2012 salary: $3 million (estimated Arb 2)
That's $16.5 million total for four slap-hitting middle-infielders. It must be nice to have a real third baseman.
Kendrys Morales
2012 salary: $3.5 million (estimated hospice care)
This one's hard to predict. A player can't take more than a 20% pay cut in arbitration, but Darth Boras might suggest the need to slip Kendrys a few extra bucks to keep him "motivated," assuming he can even walk in the spring.
Reggie Willits
2012 salary: $1 million (estimated loyalty-rewards program)
Oh, Reggie. The perpetual fifth-outfielder. Do you really think the Angels will give up on their favorite replacement player just now, considering all the aging bodies in the outfield?
Total 2012 commitment: $28.5 million
This money is "fungible," meaning the Angels could actually turn one or more of their arbitration-eligibles into other players via trade. A positional upgrade would be the only motivation, however, and that's likely to add payroll, not decrease it. So the Angels have little choice but to spend at least this much money, just to maintain the status quo.
Moving on.
Invaluable professional services
The loss of which would cause incalculable and irreperable damage to baseball operations, to say nothing of the bottomless personal anguish inflicted upon prominent and influential persons within the franchise
Did you think I'd forget?
Jeff Mathis
2012 salary: $2.5 million (estimated insanity)
I wouldn't let Jeff Mathis near an Angels uniform if he worked for the team laundry service. Mike Scioscia says: "You can't non-tender my heart!"
Absolute minimum for all the rest
That's $116 million to cover 15 roster spots in 2012, up from $100 million for the same 15 spots in 2011. To field a major-league team, the Angels must fill the remaining 10 spots with at least league-minimum salaries, which go for about $450,000 each. They will need at least two starting pitchers, five relievers, two position players, and a catcher to play on the days when Jeff Mathis has to recharge his mana. They do have in-house (although mostly uninspiring) candidates for all of these jobs.
You're not expecting Morales to be totally healthy, are you?
Now guess which member of the $60-million outfield has the highest WAR to date
Peter Bourjos
Joel Pineiro is a free agent, you know
That means someone else has to take the ball every fifth day
Still need a long reliever to pitch garbage time
Matt Palmer or Trevor Bell
How about more important late innings?
I'm scared
At least there's no more Rodney
Anyone else?
You can't expect Mathis to pitch catch every day
Add it all up, and you get:
Salary commitment for 2012: $120 million
The Angels cannot spend less money than this on a 25-man roster while still maintaining the same level of competitiveness, that is to say, without going into rebuilding mode. They might shuffle the deck, or save a couple million somehow, but in the end, the tweaks will probably just even out at about $120 million. Anything Tony Reagins (or, more optimistically, his successor) does to improve competitiveness will have to be added on top.
Unfortunately, this baseline figure will only buy back the same .500 team, except one year older. While that's usually a good thing for young players, the offense is built around a shriveled core of outfielders well past their primes. But with a $125-$135 million budget for 2012, the Angels have only about $5-$15 million of payroll space remaining. And they'll probably need to spend some, or possibly all of it this winter on a free-agent starting pitcher to replace Joel Pineiro.
This can't be news to the Angels front office. They must have planned this all out last winter, and whoever made the decision must have said, "Yup, this is the team we want to go to war with 2011 and then again in 2012." Well, that team is pretty comfortably mediocre, and their playoff chances depend on a Ranger collapse.
So how would you fix them?
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I expect Richards to take the 5th rotation spot if Pinero leaves w/o a replacement in place
Mike Trout- The Man, The Future, The Legend
Excellent post.
And while I hadn’t done the math myself, I knew it would be bad, but not THIS bad…
Reagins, please sign Beltre.
Rec'd
We’re obviously going to sign Pujols and Fielder to a backloaded deal, fire Tony, and wait until he finds a new team to trade those two to them in 5 years or so.
Seriously, I can’t see how they’re going to finangle this into competitiveness without losing Weaver. I think the most likely scenario is another year of .500 ball, give or take, before getting competitive again in 2013 with Trout and some other rooks from the lower levels.
Just theoretically trying to be super optimistic here
If Pujols shocks the world and doesn’t re sign with the Cards, the extra revenue he creates with ticket sales, jerseys etc could justify keeping the payroll closer to 140-145 million right?
Jeff Mathis Batting Average Watch: .189
Why is that?
Just curious. A blockbuster signing like Pujols might create a substantial amount of extra revenue for the Angels. Whether it is justifiable, I don’t know but just curious why you were quick to dismiss.
2009 gate receipts were $100 Million
2010 and 2011 a little lower, but lets use the nice round number. Average attendance in 2009 was about 38,000 per game, yielding an average ticket price of $32.
Sellout capacity is about 45,000. At $32 per ticket x 81 games, a full year of sellouts would yield $116M in gate receipts.
And, there’s lot’s of other reasons, too.
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
The only problem is...
You’re using revenue and expenditures from 2008 and 2009, not 2011. I’m sure revenues are likely to be down this year, but they’re certainly not projected to STAY down. I think a lot depends on whether or not they make the postseason this year. 2009 saw $12 million in extra revenue for doing so. I know that for some reason everyone seems to think the rangers are undefeatable, but their record is not bearing that out at all. They are not playing any better than the rest of the division and haven’t been since the 3rd week of the season. Their lead is completely the result of their big start. This division is wide open and will probably stay that way up until the end.
Where is the new money coming from?
As Moreno spoke with reporters, season-ticket holders were lining up for their “Select-a-seat” opportunity inside the stadium. Moreno admitted season-ticket renewals are down “a few thousand” and revenue projections for 2011 are lagging “five or six percent” behind last year.
TV revenues are fixed. The variables are attendance, which has decreased since 2008, and playoff bonuses, which didn’t happen last year and are anything but guaranteed this year. Arte is almost certainly running the team in the red this season.
And as for the Rangers’ big start, you’re forgetting that the Angels also started 12-6 and have gone 25-33 since then. Who’s more likely to get hot again in the second half? The team that is scoring more runs than its opponents.
by Suboptimal on Jun 23, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Rangers have already said they could add payroll this year to bolster the team's playoff run.
The Angels have already said they can’t.
The Angels did?
Are you talking about the unsubstantiated rumor from the anonymous baseball source that was posted on mlbtraderumors.com but not verified by any credible Angels source? I understand it’s a safe assumption…but it’still just that..an assumption. We don’t know how Arte will react in his desire to win if this team is close at the deadline.
Yes, that and LOGIC.
Pollyanna is dead. But don't get mad at me, I didn't kill her. Tony Reagins did.
I don't think any team is gonna get hot in the second half.
I think it’s gonna keep playing out about like it has so far. You did a great job on the article. But I can’t shake the nagging memory that last season similar claims were being made and we all assumed that the team from last year was going to be the same this year—for the same reasons, yet…..it’s quite a different roster in 2011. Not better….different. I choose to let the season play out, hope our middle hitters actually are getting it together and that our kids will continue to improve. I know I sound like a fool, but I expect a better second half.
Problem = Lack of Playoff Revenue
I think one thing that gets overlooked is the additional revenue that comes with playing playoff games. Higher prices, more concessions and parking, new merchandise, TV money from MLB etc.
I know this can sometimes represent millions of dollars and I’ve always felt that the way the Angels operated (revenues BARELY topping expenditures) had a lot to do with them assuming they could count on money from making the playoffs in a division that didn’t spend.
Well that was all well and good until we basically started getting about $70 million worth out of our $140M payroll thanks in EVERY part to the GM
RIP Nick Adenhart
Let's trade...
Tony Reagins for Andrew Friedman
Add Mathis
Deal
Jeff Mathis = sure fire 1st ballot Hall of Fame inductee
by YouthofToday on Jun 23, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
We will win with what we've got
Or not.
But I’d be very surprised if there are any significant moves coming in the near future (this year).
We are competitive in our division, as we are constructed now. We might even win it.
by Zaius on Jun 23, 2011 7:11 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
BOFLMAO
Although none of us are laughing.
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jun 23, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
2012=BOHICA
Bend over, here it comes again
Rec'd for spending the time to put together a nice article. But I disagree...
with
and whoever made the decision must have said, “Yup, this is the team we want to go to war with 2011 and then again in 2012.”
You can’t talk with a Macho Combo Burrito in your mouth.
by RedFog on Jun 23, 2011 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Redfog, I've got a different take.
They must have planned this all out last winter, and whoever made the decision must have said, “Yup, this is the team we want to go to war with 2011 and then again in 2012.”
Red fog and Subop, you surely know Reagins didn’t make that decision. He wasn’t there; he has this nasty habit of being late for winter meetings.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
by angelslogic on Jun 23, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice job, Sub
and thanks for making things very clear once again when we knew things were pretty
“ef-ed up” but didn’t know the total bleak blow-by-blow picture in specific detail.
I’m interested in 2013 . . .
Once again SubOp with the real deal
Fantastic stuff here. My feeling here is that the team will stay hopelessly competitive right to the end and not make the playoffs. But damn, to think the FO has committed that much to 2012 as a start while leaving no payroll flexibility, at what point do we leave the field fallow to recharge before making another run again?
Swung on and missed, he struck him out! ~ Terry Smith
Angels' 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 9-7
"at what point do we leave the field fallow to recharge before making another run again?"
Probably at this point right here.
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
3 games back
not a huge gap to bridge but it feels like throwing in the towel. Perhaps this team can put together a 2nd half in the neighborhood of 43, 44 wins? I’m sure there’s a joke about having your cake and eating it too somewhere in all this.
Swung on and missed, he struck him out! ~ Terry Smith
Angels' 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 9-7
Thanks for doing this. Rec'd.
I’m in a neck brace from shaking my head “No” at all of the “There’s money coming off the books!” and “We’ll get Pujols!” posts here.
There’s not, really. We won’t.
As you’ve pointed out so well, there is already $120 – 122 million committed to this team’s 2012 payroll just to maintain the status-quo. Well, actually, at that level of spending you’ve not even replaced Joel Pineiro – so you’d need another shockingly good rookie starter debut just to maintain the current (under .500) status quo.
There’s pretty compelling evidence the break-even spending level for this team nets about $125M in payroll. So, next year there is $3-5 million available to spend. This is without addressing a Weaver extension (or, luring his replacement if it’s clear he’s gonna go FA – wouldn’t be prudent to wait until 2013 to find someone considering Pineiro’s gone and Santana will be too.
So, now, WHY are people calling for Reagins’ head? The truth is, in this case, not very pretty. But, it is the truth.
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
And why spend the money on Albert anyway?
Yeah, he’s better than his early season slump and yeah, the injury was freak. But next year he turns 32, is a 1st baseman who doesn’t run especially well and is in his 2nd straight season of decline (assuming he doesn’t return and go ape.) Jumbo has a 117 OPS+ as a rookie and should get a little better. Why give up an above average 3rd baseman? I’d spend any discretionary money (not that we have a ton) on a starting pitcher and then take whatever’s left and use it for arbitration raises for the good players we have, like Weaver.
He travels fastest who travels alone.
Agree with Mike Trout on having Garret Richards into the fifth spot.
I’d have Reckling try out for a lefty specialist and Bell has the backup starter and long relief pitcher. Kick Reagins out the door and get a GM that could get some top notch prospects from Haren, Santana, and one of our slap hitting infielders. Package Bourjos and a few others for a solid bullpen arm. Finally give Trout the centerfield job left by Bourjos.
Richards AND Chatwood are gonna turn out to be the Real Deal?
That’s some pretty serious hope.
Package a guy who is possibly the best defensive CF in the league, and can actually hit at an acceptable level (for a CF) with a “few others” for a bullpen arm?
TONY! ’Zat you?
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." ~Dave Barry
by LAASurfin on Jun 23, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Reaginomics
- Concentrate the highest possible amount of payroll into the fewest possible number of players on the roster.
- Disregard the ability of said players to actually produce.
- Watch the wins trickle down!!!!
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jun 23, 2011 8:11 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
This is Voodoo Reaginomics!
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jun 23, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
This dope gives us no hope!
Subop, you once again have put way more thought and effort into this team than Del Taco Tony ever has (and hopefully soon…“did”).
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Jun 23, 2011 8:19 PM PDT reply actions
My plan?
I’ve said it many times before: Make more f**kin’ money! Seriously though, without a new TV deal or something, there’s little chance this team makes any big acquisitions before next year. Otherwise, discussing anything but modest FA signings is just fantasy.
Independent of that, consider trading Trumbo or someone else for a real 3rd baseman if Morales comes back as his old self.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
good point
with the make effin more money stuff
o_O
First off GREAT POST!!!
It’s clear and focused and fact-driven and…
I say the Angels force themselves to eat the contracts of those who aren’t producing. If Vernon doesn’t snap out of this funk, either release him following Spring Training next year or try to dump him on another team by paying 96% of his salary or something similar. Torii’s been bad but not so abysmal that he isn’t worth holding onto.
Bobby’s been the Angel’s best hitter but I think Trout will be ready next year and he needs room. If the Angels are within 5 by the end of July, keep him. If not, trade him for the youngest talent they can find, whether it be a reliever or an outfield prospect. The problem with doing so, of course, is that the Angels have no insurance if Trout struggles. But such risks exist and teams can’t succeed without taking chances.
This off-season, I would try and get Weaver to sign a relatively short but highly lucrative contract, such as a 6 year 110 million type deal. With his deception, command, and health I imagine that he’ll remain an effective pitcher into his mid-30’s because he can already deal without his best stuff. Remember that Yankee game last month when Weaver threw about 52 pitches after 2 innings and still ended up going 7 and allowing 2 runs? I can’t see Santana doing that.
Bourjos still looks iffy with the bat but he’s been so strong in the field and is at least making small improvements that he’s worth thinking about an extension now. Imagine him in CF and Trout in LF with a flyball pitcher like Weaver for the next 5 years. ERA crowns anyone? Pete’s on pace to finish about 11 runs above average this year which translates to a full win on defense alone.
Vernon Wells is a bona fide F*** up, one that we’ll have to swallow. It means the payroll will remain above 100 million at least through next year with Torii and limits flexibility. But with Conger, Trumbo, and Bourjos looking like at least solid contributors and Izturis and Kendrick solid 3 WAR types, they have some young talent to work with. And you know what’s sort of wonderful? With Weaver and Haren making 4 starts every 5 games in the playoffs, they could actually make an impact with a division title. What the hell, it’s worth thinking about.
He travels fastest who travels alone.
Excellent write-up & rec'd
Although I think there could be some room to increase payroll next year.
The Angels have been operating at a net profit since 2006, averaging roughly $12 million each year. Having very little franchise debt to service, Arte has plenty of flexibility to apply any such surplus to additional team payroll if he so desires.
At 10%, the Angels have the fourth lowest debt-to-team value ratio in all of baseball (e.g., the Rangers have 66%, the Red Sox 26%). If Arte would like to aggressively pursue free-agents with borrowed funds in hopes that such a strategy might yield greater future receipts, he certainly has room to do so. The fact that the Angels have been operating at a profit during this recession means that borrowing costs will probably be low and much of that aforementioned annual profit can be used to service increased liabilities without affecting normal business operations.
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
Good point
I was unaware of the surplus and had forgotten about the debt-to-value ratio. Assuming that money is still available, it would be nice to see it put to good use. Key word being good. BTW, have I mentioned a new TV deal before…
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jun 23, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
While the current television contract with Fox Sports Net still has another four seasons remaining, Fox would undoubtedly be under a lot of pressure to renegotiate that deal if Arte so chooses. The local broadcasting landscape here has changed radically since they inked their last deal, with the Lakers leaving to sign a multi-billion dollar deal with Time Warner & the Dodgers future broadcasting rights now in a total state of limbo due to their ongoing ownership crisis. Scott Boras in a recent interview with the Orange County Business Journal claims that the Angels are receiving far less for their annual television rights than the $500 million that he believes them to be worth. If Arte were to threaten to leave Fox for a rival like Time Warner or start his own regional sports network at the end of this current deal, Fox would be pretty much shut out of the entire LA sports market.
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Jun 23, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't believe their TV rights are worth half a billion per year
The current deal is paying out just over $100 million, and Selig vetoed Fox’s offer to the Dodgers worth about $175 million—not because of the annual value, but because of McCourt’s slimy financial structuring. The little demographic data we’ve seen suggests that the Angels are actually a fairly niche market, with high spending-per-customer offsetting their relatively small penetration compared to the total population. Even if that isn’t the case, I don’t see how Boras’s figure rings true even if Arte Moreno broke down the door of every home in Orange County, turned on Fox Sports West, and then left Angels merchandise in all the closets and dressers.
Actually I may have misquoted him
His exact quote was:
Boras was actually referring to team revenue and not just television revenue, which implies that he believes the current television rights should be worth about $300 million a year. While I agree with him that what Arte receives for the Angels television rights are, in light of what has happened to Fox with the Dodgers & Lakers, probably less than what he should be getting, his $300 million estimated value of those rights seems overly optimistic.
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Jun 24, 2011 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know how it happened but my Boras quote mysteriously vanished as soon as I hit the post button...
There must be an anti-Boras filter on HH. Let me try it again.
His exact quote was:
“(Arte’s) done a good job of growing this franchise—it’s never been more popular. They’re making $300 million a year. They’re in position to get a new TV contract where they possibly could make $500 million a year."
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Jun 24, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
If Arte wants to be the best owner in baseball, he would do this immediately
Even if that isn’t the case, I don’t see how Boras’s figure rings true even if Arte Moreno broke down the door of every home in Orange County, turned on Fox Sports West, and then left Angels merchandise in all the closets and dressers.
I can guide him around certain parts of San Deigo and Western Riverside County if he wants to expand his operation. I just gotta know a few days in advance.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jun 24, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I am pretty sure Arte has opt-outs on the current deal
It’s been said he could have done so last December (and considered it when the Lakers approached him) and has another opportunity this December.
See here and here for opt-out discussions.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Jun 24, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow great writing
Didn’t realize Erv dog was making so much. I would trade him at the first opportunity. Don’t know if he will ever bring it on any given day. Might get some sort of prospects for him.
Trade Torii at first opportunity. Hope his bat heats up.
Maybe Vern has a big heart. Maybe we can convince him that he he is hurting the team by making so much money and producing so little. Hey Vern, haven’t you already made enough to live on for the rest of your life?
Bobby is the least of our problems. Keep him.
One of the top ten posts ever
This is reality that is slapping us in the face. First off, I think Kendrys is at least another year to year and a half till he is even close to what he once was IF he is able to get close again, he has some definite structural problems going on that 1 year later he has not healed sufficiently, it does not bode well for someone of his age so I would say he is a 30% chance of being the player we need (I hope I’m wrong). I think if we can sign Piniero we should, ink him for 2 years if possible. Abreu led the team in stolen bases last year and probably leads this year in on base percentage, he may not be the most athletic at this stage but he is baseball smart. Reagins “crapped out” on the Vernon deal and we are screwed in the near future. we need to keep Weaver and Haren so Aybar, Santana (I’m an Ervin fan), Wilson, and Maicer (maybe Garrett Richards) are our trade bait. forget any Pujols, Fielder, etc., dreams. Jose Reyes, very slight possibility. Bottom line, sign Weaver extension, sign Piniero, DFA Mathis, Wells, bring up some young guns and suck up 2012 and possibly 2013, Reagins has put The Angels in a corner and only time and no more stupid deals can get us out of this mess.
CONGER, CONGER, CONGER !!!
Arb numbers
I think your numbers on Howie and Aybar are way too low.
Jeff Mathis = sure fire 1st ballot Hall of Fame inductee
trevor bell is pure f'n garbage.
i want to stick a pencil in my eye at the notion that he would ever be in the rotation on a continual basis.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
I think this makes us more likely to be sellers this year
Of our only two worthwhile/losable assets — Abreu and Pineiro. Can’t see getting much besides salary relief and C prospects, though.
Thanks for bringing up the 3rd catcher
Until we have a back-up plan, at least equivalent to a Ryan Budde at AAA,
Bobby Wilson isn’t going anywhere. Pencil him in too.
Until Arte punts and writes off a season, I wouldn’t bet on him doing it.
I’m thinking logically and optimistically – Willits and Mathis get non-tendered, so that saves us about $3.5 million. That’s not gonna do much but hopefully we’ll keep our pitching best in the division and hope that’s enough to get us to October the next two years.
I agree what we see in the IF and OF this year will be the same next, and I’ll not count on Kendrys until he’s back.
In the words of Tony the Tiger, this post was g-r-r-r-e-a-t!
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
Oh, and by the way Subop, when I read the title "straight dope on the Angels roster"
I thought you were talking about Reagins. :)
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
by angelslogic on Jun 23, 2011 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Good work
Arte needs to start playing Lotto. Every week. Aggressively. His odds are better there than with TR rolling the dice on player contracts.
God damn Vernon Wells
and people wonder why I had nothing positive to say about that acquisition.
He effectively symbolizes pissing away two years of a Weaver Haren top of the rotation.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
Thank you for this.
This is going to save me a ton of time come the offseason…as in I now know not to even care or pay attention, because nothing is going to happen(more so than usual, that is).
Great article.
Whatever, dude.
by Mayheminthehood on Jun 24, 2011 9:25 AM PDT reply actions
Another Great Post
even if it is a little disheartening. I think next year (with Abreu, Hunter, Weaver, Takahashi contracts ending) will be the year we get a clearer view of Arte’s plans. If Morales comes back and the team is a legitimate threat, I could see him adding some payroll. After all, one World Series win or appearance has to add revenue for several more years.
If, however, the team plays like the 2010/2011 Angels, look for a major overhaul; lots of trades around the deadline and a couple of free agent signings in that offseason.
I plan to BOO Wells mercilessly in the (utterly slim) hope of him opting out.
I get upset watching him now and can’t imagine what 2 more years is gonna do to me.
two more years? we have him for three more years.....
by mustard_man on Jun 24, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Quit minimizing the damage ... It's 3 and a half!
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jun 24, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Why no not boo your mom?
We’re stuck with her longer (maybe).
by angelsangelsangels on Jun 25, 2011 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions
My son and I did this at the M's game here in Seattle recently...
All the M’s fans around us thought we were loco…and Big Dump shut us up by hitting 2 dongs…plus they were so busy booing Figgins, wow!
I say BOO away…he has earned it!
Tyler Chatwood and Trevor Bell say, "Kaz who?"
I'll be at the next series doing the same.
In fact I usually sit above the visitor dug out. So instead of hula dula chants I might tell Vernon to opt out instead.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
This has to be
the most depressing thing I’ve read all year, because it’s so true.
by Jason Andrew Martin on Jun 24, 2011 4:51 PM PDT reply actions
Do the Yankees have any prospects left?
If the Redsucks are pulling away from them come the end of next month, they would pay thru the nose for Weaver. Sorry to say so, but I don’t think he resigns. I think the Yankees get him now or then…
Send VW some HGH courtesy of Tony Reagins
Tip off feds, opt out of VW contract and fire Reagins for breaking the law.
Easy, Peazy.
You call this sports writing?
Even though I could see most of the glaring and obvious bullshit in this so-called article, it still managed to make me dumber reading it. When it’s said and done the angels will be ok and you’ll be exposed as a fraud for writing their post-mordem before the season was halfway done. Talk about big fish in a small pond. Angels deserve better than a red sox post in their honor. If you believe this shit snot report on angels finances you deserve this fake fan site.
by angelsangelsangels on Jun 25, 2011 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh phew! It's all gonna be okay!
Thanks for saving the day with this brilliant post. I’m stoked you took the time to cut down the author of the article and call his work bogus without bothering to offer any evidence as to why you are right and he is wrong.
by BigGame48 on Jun 25, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is going to save me a ton of time come the offseason…as in I now know not to even care or pay attention, because nothing is going to happen(more so than usual, that is).
Wow!!!!
by angelsangelsangels on Jun 25, 2011 2:40 AM PDT reply actions

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