Jordan Walden Makes a Mistake by the Lake
Final Score in Cleveland: Angels 2, Indians 3
Dan Haren pitched a great strong game, the Angels offense pingponged balls right at Cleveland fielders all night and finally got a late lead on Bobby Abreu's 4th HR of the season but Jordan Walden delivered some pretty straight and simple fastballs to stymied Cleveland hitters and the Tribe walked off with its own come from behind victory in the bottom of the 9th.
However, when you score no runs off Fausto Carmona over six innings you deserve to lose and even if the Angels did rally from being down, this game should have been a 7-3 affair, easily. When your team is chasing a first place club and play like a third place team to a second place Tribe it isn't impossible to chant sell sell sell under your breath.
But hey, let's bench Howie Kendrick even after his alleged Faustian bargain of a nemesis has left the game. Let's make Haren throw over 120 pitches but remove Scott Downs after three tosses and one catch. The problem with Mike's Sothball is in its rigid predictability. In a season that saw our fearless leader pull Fernando Rodney after one sloppy weekend back in early April, he has ossified back to improvising in long-dried cement. Try tapdancing anywhere up the standings in that Mike. The tide slowly rises but August is almost here. Sell sell sell?
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Poor Dan Haren.
Torii Hunter Batting Average Watch:.234
by deejayelleseven on Jul 25, 2011 7:15 PM PDT reply actions
Well. Last year it felt like with Fernando Rodney we would have a 1 out of 2 chance at a successful save.
It feels like with Jordan Walden we have a 3 out of 4 chance. I guess thats better? Or don’t I remember the percival years and the James Lee year where we could expect >90% save completion rates?
James Lee?
Is that Mike James’ and Lee Smith’s lovechild?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 25, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Offense
We can’t score a run against a guy who now holds a 5.34 ERA in 6 innings?!?! That is pathetic.
Our offense is the blame of the game.
Bummer of a game, dude.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Jul 25, 2011 7:17 PM PDT reply actions
Morso if you're eyeing the score in Arlington.
Rangers have scored 3+ runs in each of the first 5 innings.
"It is a haunted game in which every player is measured against the ghosts of all who have gone before."
by AlanFalcon on Jul 25, 2011 7:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Jesus. Texas is leading Minnesota 18-1
I think they might come back though.
Or even half a fortnight
Mike Scioscia has zero credibility to get mad at anyone, or anything. He is the reason Jeff Mathis plays baseball.
Four score and seven years ago
our Halos had a decent offense, conceived in non-suckery, and dedicated to the proposition that all the players in the starting line-up should be able to hit the freaking ball!!!
When Downs was used past a couple outs
This team still hung on to win. Soth is getting lazy and falling back on those defined roles again.
Swung on and missed, he struck him out! ~ Terry Smith
Angels' 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 14-8
by blast21dave on Jul 25, 2011 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
silver lining...
he took out walden earlier than I expected! :)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 25, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Back to 4 GB
And our title hopes drift away
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
Heck, weren't we 4 out in mid-September 2004?
Of course, we had some offense then. . . .
You boys stick around--there'll be turkey and ice cream later!
Fran Tarkenton throws for three TD's to lead the Vikes over Staubach's Cowboys.
“That’s Incredible.”
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 25, 2011 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Meanwhile
Seattle is gonna lose their 16th in a row tonight.
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
Almost
The A’s started it the day before
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
It seems like every time I have a really good day
the next day is a complete suckfest to balance it out. Oh and thanks rest of the league for beating the Rangers…wait… never mind.
Baseball is a funny game...
looks like napoli is catching.
1 run.
Just numbers though.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
CERA
CERA only matters if Jeffy is catching Haren and Weaver — DUH!!!
by YouthofToday on Jul 25, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
And Downs. Don't forget Downs.
5 earned runs….wait for it….ALL SEASON. On only 465 total pitches.
All Mathis, man. All Mathis.
Mike Scioscia has zero credibility to get mad at anyone, or anything. He is the reason Jeff Mathis plays baseball.
Isn't it up to 4003 by now?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 25, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Heath Bell: 29 Saves, 2 Blown. Joel Hanrahan: 28 Saves, 1 Blown. Leo Nunez: 28 Saves, 3 Blown.
Waldo: 23 Saves, 7 Blown.
I like Jordan, I just don’t think hes ready to be a big league closer. Or at least not the absolute-no-questions-asked-if-there-is-a-possibility-of-a-statistical-save-he-will-be-in type of closer.
I wouldn't mind swapping downs' and waldo's roles for a bit and see how it goes.
Waldo in 8th, Downs in 9th. For games that work out that way, at least. Then we can see at deadline how it feels.
yea I don't get it.....
teams spend a lot of money paying people to scout out the other team and figure out how and who they should play against the opposing team, only to throw it all out the window in the 9th inning. Or in Soth’s case, usually around the 7th inning…….
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
While Lyle Spencer has seen 4000...
I cannot imagine how many games scioscia has seen. His eyes are priceless. :P
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 25, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Well there are very few pitchers
IMO that should be THE teams closer. Walden is suffering the same misuse as Fuentes did. Fuentes got lefties out so well but was put into the game regardless of who he was facing because he was the closer.
Tonight Walden was put in the game regardless of who he was facing because he was the closer. The whole concept of a closer is BS. Put people into the game based on who you think is most likely to get them out. Every single pitcher in the bigs is be definition one of the Top .00001% to play baseball and can handle getting the 27th out of a baseball game.
If Soth is so stubborn he needs to have a closer it should be Downs. The guy gets EVERYONE out equally well, he doesn’t walk guys and being a lefty it makes him harder to run on……. This is especially true, because it would allow a rookie in Jordan Walden to be in the role which he would have the most success at which would be RH setup guy that comes in the game when there are at least 2 righties due up in an inning……
Really this is so much common sense……. you guys have to see this too right? How can Soth not see it…….
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
by MH252525 on Jul 25, 2011 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
The same Soth who supposedly
has an eye for catching talent??
Swung on and missed, he struck him out! ~ Terry Smith
Angels' 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 14-8
We're talking about the same guy that can see talent in Jeff Mathis.
I love Soth and everything he’s done for the team, but he’s extremely stubborn and I don’t know how much he is helping the team anymore.
Baseball is a funny game...
by Halosfan777 on Jul 25, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This isn't specific to Scioscia
No manager uses his “closer” effectively. They used to, back when the “fireman” was the premiere bullpen role. But the “closer,” as a position, was basically invented by a statistic: the save. A totally bullshit statistic.
while the 9th inning closer isn't specific to Soth
his flowchart bullpen usage from the 6th inning on, takes most managers not using ONE pitcher in their bullpen effectively to a totally different level……
It’s one thing to have (usually) the most dominating pitcher in your bullpen try to get outs in the 9th because he’s your closer, it’s totally inane to have say Fernando Rodney face batters that don’t fit him particularly well in the 7th because he’s the setup guy to the setup guy……
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
by MH252525 on Jul 25, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Logic Over Baseball Tradition?
Reagins and Scioscia don’t understand.
by YouthofToday on Jul 25, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean the 2011 version of this?
by Suboptimal on Jul 25, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
exactly....
you read my mind I had lost that image.
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
I've thought about it
But I don’t think it’s possible right now. Mike Scioscia hasn’t had time to define bullpen roles this season because the starters pitch into the eighth inning just about every night.
Speaking of nuns and schools and all that
Did you get the summer off?
I have one class only…oh well..at least I get a little money rapping about No Country for Old Men with some fairly intelligent young people (and some one wonders exactly what went wrong somewhere…)
I got out of teaching until January
I have a travel grant that I’m going to use next month, and a decent research fellowship in the fall. It was supposed to be for the full year, but the funding center has budget issues. I’m lucky for what I have, actually.
Better to stay "in school" these days
and take advantage of such opportunities—as limited as even those have become. Sorry if I missed this before, but what is the focus of your research?
Nukes, computers, telecom
The guiding question is: how would the United States have actually ordered a nuclear strike in the year 1960, 1970, and 1980? Where is “the red button,” who can push it, what’s it connected to, who is on the other end? Et cetera (for an additional 400-500 pages).
You better, before I do.
Mike Scioscia has zero credibility to get mad at anyone, or anything. He is the reason Jeff Mathis plays baseball.
You're welcome to it
I’m too busy trying to turn a dumb SQLite database into something that is actually useful to me in my work.
Most major leaguers (except Mathis) can hit a fastball
So unless Waldo starts throwing 120 or 130 mph, he’s going to have to find a reliable second pitch that he can consistently throw for strikes.
Downs has a sub 500 OPS allowed against both
lefties and righties…… he threw 3 pitches…….
BOTG = Soth
Jim Bowden on Tony Reagins.
Style: Authoritative, brilliant baseball mind who works well in the trifecta with owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia. Builds teams on pitching and defense up the middle. Active at trade deadlines, will trade prospects and has the resources to acquire All-Stars
Good job Soth, Waldo, and how about a mention to Bourjos
Gotta love that 0-4 3K performance. Trout please?
Baseball is a funny game...
Move over Nolan...
Bourjos is the strikeout king.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 25, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Conger just hit his second HR at SLC
He’s now 8-24 with 2 doubles to go with the big flies. I wonder how we could improve our offense?
Combined WAR to date of your Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Fantastic Five (VW, Torii, Kazmir, GMJ, Premium) -.3. WAR leader: Hula Dula:0.2 Combined 2011 salary: $66,600,000.
i hope they give conger a chance as a FULL time catcher
but sosh and mathis are pretty much married so its hard.
conger > mathis
another thing is
if u put mathis in slc, he would probably suck there too.
conger > mathis
Put him amongst 5 year olds in T-ball
he would probably suck there too.
Sorry Jeff
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 25, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Mathis MLEs
Salt Lake City: .225 / .289 / .331
Arkansas: .228 / .296 / .343
San Bernadino: .261 / .341 / .402
Cedar Rapids: .272 / .355 / .414
Our Lady of Good Hope Catholic HS
.301 / .433 / .450
3 HR’s / 7 out of 33 runners thrown out
“Bless you my son…now throw that bastard out trying to steal, would ya!”
Maybe Jeff would be better motivated by some good old-fashioned Catholic-school corporeal punishment
Than he is by man rubs and bubble baths. Mike Scioscia, take note.
LOL
He’d probably keep him around just to have someone to flog every nite; though the nuns weapon of choice is generally the ruler, I believe.
He might help the Kernels
Not surprising, he is in their Baseball Hall of Fame!
I got to watch the 9th inning
as the song goes, “shit … damn … motherfucker”
Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Jul 25, 2011 7:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Mathis
So he gets credit for Weaver and Haren’s gems but no blame in for a blown save?
Or…. wait for it…. maybe we should credit Weaver and Haren’s success to them and Walden’s location issues to Jordan himself.
Stop this CERA madness — it’s more fatal than Ebola.
i said it all along
if this team decides to ‘ride’ mathis all the way to the end of the season, we wont go far.
conger > mathis
Napoli went 4 for 5 tonight - just to rub it in a little.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
You know...
if mathis had been batting second … none of this shit woulda happened!
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 25, 2011 7:56 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Good to see Bobby finally go deep again--what a shocker!
and it was clutch as well.
And how ’bout that sweet catch Downs made on a ball up the middle?! You rarely see any of our relievers make a play like that.
So sick of this team. And I use that term lightly
These aren’t the guys who paid no mind when the Yanks flashed their 143 WS wins on the scoreboard at the start of our memorable playoff run so many years ago. This is just a bunch of individuals who show almost no heart. The few that do play hard are overshadowed by the piles of garbage batting below .250. I thought the Halo teams I rooted for in the 80’s were bad, at least those guys came to play. I can’t remember such a bad Angel offense and I’ve been a fan long enough to have asked Jim Fergosi when they were gonna start winning! I was 7 but he didn’t like it. Thank the gods football is back. I can ignore this abomination so much more easily now.
And to think, lazy Juan Rivera isn't even on this team this year
NA, #34 SP, LAA
Light up the Halo for Nick!
More Howie please...
Scioscia you fat, lasagna eating son of a bitch...
Would you please knock this "roles’ bullshit off? We’re chasing a title.
Oh, and Waldon, throw strikes.
Shitty game.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
It's not just our manager, it is baseball in general
This myth of defined bullpen roles. Last night was a prime example. Downs throws three pitches, gets an out. Then, the manager feels like he has to bring in Walden because he’s the “closer.” Why is this? It defies logic.
NA, #34 SP, LAA
Light up the Halo for Nick!
More Howie please...
especially with a LH hitter in Brantley leading off the ninth
In comes Walden, and Brantley singles leading off…
The porblem with baseball as a sport, is there is too much tradition. You have to be willing to think outside of the box.
NA, #34 SP, LAA
Light up the Halo for Nick!
More Howie please...
I left to go home between the 8th and 9th.
Bobby was POTG.
WTF!?!?!!
Mathis is a sign of The Apocalypse.
"And God looked upon The Angels lineup, and, behold, it was corrupt."
Walden blew it, but Scioscia deserves his fair share of the blame for 2 things:
1.) Not leaving Downs in to face the string of lefties
2.) The incessant pickoff calls and the dumb 1-1 pitch out when Walden wasn’t really in sync to begin with.
Scioscia really is a terrible in game manger.
Pulling Downs was ridiculous. He had thrown 3 pitches!
It was actually lefty, switch-hitter, lefty, but Downs should have still been in.
Brantley has a .603 OPS against lefties this season, compared to .769 against righties
Cabrera has a .766 OPS against lefties this season, compared to .865 against righties
And the one that stands out the most, Hafner has a .637 OPS against lefties, compared to 1.020 against righties
Downs is holding both lefties and righties to an OPS below .450.
He’s our best reliever, and had favorable matchups coming up, he should have stayed in
Most of this is plain absurd...
The kid blew the save. Period. He’s either the closer or we don’t need him.
There wasn’t anything wrong with the closer coming out in the ninth inning. The leadoff guy got on. The leadoff guy stole a base. After all that, the closer still has a chance to close. He didn’t. This isn’t about Sosh’s commitment to roles. Just about everyone on this site (including me) got pumped at the thought of Waldo closing and gets pumped at the thought of him coming in. It’s cool that we got to see him in the all star game even though he led baseball in blown saves. I don’t mind treating the young guys like our neighbors kid to sickening heights, but let’s not rob the guy of his manhood. Manhood comes with accountability and responsibility. You hold a job only 30 people on earth have. Tonight, you are the blame of the game.
"We are not on an austerity program," Arte Moreno

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