OT: Another reason to hate the Yankees

by gilbert on Jul 8, 2011 8:32 PM PDT

This has nothing to do with the Angels, but I know every good Halo fan hates the Yankees and the Red Sox, so I was inspired to write this.

As I'm sure you've heard by now, tonight's Yankees-Rays game was rained out, leaving Derek Jeter at 2,998 hits. Bad luck, weather happens. Reasonable people would move on.

The Yankees were hoping to see Jeter get his 3,000th hit at home and were not happy with the Rays not agreeing to do a day-night doubleheader on Saturday. Listen to the hypocritical whiners:

"We tried to do it (Saturday) night," Levine said. "We figured all of our fans would be very disappointed. A lot of people were excited about it. We thought, 'Do it tomorrow night.' Our players voted for it. I don't know their reason. I assume they get it. Why Tampa voted no, you'd have to ask Tampa. I haven't the foggiest idea. I just don't know.

"Both teams have to agree," Yankees manager Joe Girardi said. "That's the bottom line. We voted to play. They voted not to play. I'm not sure why, but you've gotta move forward, so we're gonna play later on."

However, they're being hypocritical. The most relevant part of the story (emphasis is mine):

According to general manager Brian Cashman, the Yankees could have forced Tampa Bay to play a single-admission doubleheader on Saturday, which would have given Jeter three home games before the All-Star break to get to 3,000.

But Cashman said the organization decided against the single-admission doubleheader because it did not want to lose the revenue associated with having two separate crowds.

So it's not really Tampa's fault is it? If the franchise with more revenue than any other really wanted to guarantee Jeter got his 3,000th hit, they could've forced a true doubleheader. Instead, they're complaining about the small-market Rays. Blame the little guy.

How entitled. How convenient.

Their fans aren't taking it well either, just check out the comments at Pinstripe Alley: I'd print them here, but there's a lot of swearing involved.

Then there's Brian Cashman, who contradicts himself in a matter of seconds (emphasis mine):

"The decision for us to go to a split had nothing to do with Derek Jeter. It had to do with business reasons, it had to do with the All-Star break," Cashman said. "From the baseball operations standpoint, it would be best to (do it) tomorrow night. It's fan friendly, it's team friendly, it's Jeter friendly."

So the decision "had nothing to do with Jeter", and then you argue it's "Jeter friendly"? That makes sense.

Stay classy, Yankees.

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Yankee entitlement

they’re the Yankees, ergo they should get what they want. This is one thing, however, you couldn’t buy.

A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 8, 2011 10:11 PM PDT reply actions

List of things that the MFY couldn't buy

The Doubleheader this weekend
A WS title between 2001 and 2008
Cliff Lee

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Jul 8, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions

Honestly, with the money they spent in those 8 years

I think it’s more embarrassing and outrageous that they DIDN’T win for that duration than that they DID in 2009. No way any half decent front office goes 8 years without a title when you’re outspending some teams by an 8-1 margin.

A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 8, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions

The Angels are responsible for 2002 and 2005

Thats something to be proud of

by homercles on Jul 9, 2011 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Rec'd

Truly proud

by JeffJoiner on Jul 11, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Stunning. And immortalized.

I might possibly link back to this post for years and years.

All-time Single Season GIDP Record: 36 (Jim Rice, 1984). Torii Hunter GIDP 2011 to date: 19 (53% of the way there, 55% of the way through the season!)

by Stirrups on Jul 8, 2011 10:27 PM PDT reply actions

Would any team give up a game's revenue in this day and age?

I wouldn’t want Arte to, as cool as a single admission doubleheader would be.

by AlanFalcon on Jul 8, 2011 10:30 PM PDT reply actions

But dude, it's the MFY.

They could probably give up 20 consecutive game revenues and still come out better than two-thirds of all other MLB clubs. Seems to me this move was not only greedy on their part, but extremely hypocritical.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Jul 8, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions

Yankees were dipping their pen in red ink the last few years.

A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 8, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions

Why? They don't have to pay luxury tax because of their stadium.

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Jul 8, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions

That rule is still unbelievable to me

especially considering the tax breaks and public money that helped build the damn park. Billionaires hold their hand out to help fund their stadium, then price the stooges that paid up right out of being able to afford a ticket, and then don’t pay luxury tax. God bless the stupidity of such economics.

But alas, here you go: http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2010/11/29/money-to-burn-more-on-the-yankees%E2%80%99-budget/

Is this possible? Of course it is possible. According to Forbes, the Yankees consistently lost money prior to 2009: $4 million of losses in 2008, $47 million lost in 2007, $25 million of losses in 2006, $50 million of losses in 2005, $37 million of losses in 2004, and $26 million lost in 2003. Excluding 2009, Forbes last showed the Yankees turning a profit in 2002. Between 2003 and 2008, the Forbes numbers show the Yankees losing a total of about $200 million.

A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 8, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions

You missed this one

by Suboptimal on Jul 9, 2011 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions

The value of the franchise only matters if you're taking anything out against it

even if the “company” (and I really wish to God people would stop treating the individual teams as competing businesses in the capitalistic sense, but I guess that’ll never stop until it destroys the game) has an increase in value, that value is relative to how much of it you want to leverage. They still spent most of a decade with net revenues in the red.

The Yankees during that time had year-over-year growth stunted by those losses…a lot of the rest of the league had year-over-year growth, too…most of the Yankees seems to have come primarily with the growth of the sport and the fact that they get to lay claim to a media market that no one else is allowed to.

A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 9, 2011 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions

This is funny accounting.

I am not buying the rationalization that the author of your link foists off on us concerning the relationship between the Yankees division and the YES division of the overall conglomerate. Like all entertainment accounting, the first rule of business is to admit that all public-facing entertainment accounting is pure horseshit.

All-time Single Season GIDP Record: 36 (Jim Rice, 1984). Torii Hunter GIDP 2011 to date: 19 (53% of the way there, 56% of the way through the season!)

by Stirrups on Jul 9, 2011 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions

I wasn't linking to that because I give a shit about the author's views on anything

just that it was the first hit I stumbled upon before I (stupidly) just went straight to Forbes, who I rather trust on such matters.

A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 9, 2011 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions

Well, I don't know if your Forbes page even discusses YES.

The Yankees feed YES as content. YES feeds Yankees cash in return. It is in the best interest of YES to keep the value of the content from the baseball franchise very high, so they can feed the Yankees baseball team with the capital needed to buy talent.

My guess is that merely one way YES feeds Yankees is via broadcast rights, which are probably artifically deflated at under-market values for some tax purpose. And this artificial value probably holds value in the court of public opinion too. But there are probably other important ways that funds are moved from YES to Yankees within the conglomerate which satisfy the Yankees’ need for payroll and the conglomerates need for obfuscation.

All-time Single Season GIDP Record: 36 (Jim Rice, 1984). Torii Hunter GIDP 2011 to date: 19 (53% of the way there, 56% of the way through the season!)

by Stirrups on Jul 9, 2011 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions

It does note their 34% stake in YES

It made up ~$102 million of its revenue from that year for the Yankees.

A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 9, 2011 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions

Wait, they don't?

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091221&content_id=7840374&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

Why’d they pay in 2009?

A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 9, 2011 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions

They don't pay revenue sharing, they do pay luxury tax

http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4272:mlbs-luxury-tax-revenue-sharing-the-yankees-and-the-randy-levine-story&catid=26:editorials&Itemid=39

Combined WAR to date of your Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Fantastic Five (VW, Torii, Kazmir, GMJ, Premium) -1. WAR leader: GMJ:0. Combined 2011 salary: $66,600,000.

by VPBOB on Jul 9, 2011 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions

I remember that dickbag comment from Levine

I expect nothing less from him.

I love the insinuation he makes that the Yankees do enough to prop up other teams (which of course the should, since the only reason they NEED the money to compete is solely because of the Yankees) when he says they should use the money they Yankees put in to sign their players…as if:

1) The Yankees themselves won’t just outspend those teams with their substantially higher overall revenues

2) Those teams aren’t already doing that

and

3) The ~$25 million a year the Yankees put in, split between quite a few teams, is even enough to sign more than like, a Takahashi-type player

A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 9, 2011 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions

Pursuant to #2...

Actually, not all teams are actually doing that. The Pirates and Royals, IIRC, are two clubs that have been found out pocketing their lux tax shares.

All-time Single Season GIDP Record: 36 (Jim Rice, 1984). Torii Hunter GIDP 2011 to date: 19 (53% of the way there, 56% of the way through the season!)

by Stirrups on Jul 9, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions

Yet most teams are

and 1 and 3 stand independently of it.

Levine’s been a dick his whole career, though. I expect nothing less.

A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 9, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions

That's not true

I know the lead auditor for the Yankees and from a cash flow perspective, they are very positive. The depreciation from the new stadium pushes their bottom line down while the economic cost doesntreally impact them because of NYC concessions.

Well, come see a fat old man some time!

by Moondoggy on Jul 8, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions

Only the last two years

for the better part of a decade, they were at a loss consistently every year: see above.

A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 8, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions

These are all valid points CKOD.

But they’re still greedy douches.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Jul 8, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions

Oakland's giving up a game's revenue

When we play them in a doubleheader next week.

I know most team’s wouldn’t, but if the Yankees really wanted to make sure that Derek Jeter got his 3,000th hit at home, there is a way. It’s not Tampa Bay’s fault, which was my point.

by gilbert on Jul 8, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions

It's not like it's now impossible

doesn’t he still have two games to get two hits? Big deal.

And if he wanted to get the record sooner, and at home, maybe he shouldn’t have sucked so badly for the last year and a half?

A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 8, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions

Have you seen an A's home game this decade?

They can’t draw fans for a playoff game. They have a better chance of getting more people in that stadium for one doubleheader than two individual games.

I hate that you’re making me defend the Yankees, but half the “concern” about the “lost game” is the secondary market that built up around the games. Cutting the game from the schedule entirely would create a tremendous amount of bad will for all the people who’d be losing tons of cash getting refunded face value for their tickets. Having a single admission doubleheader in this situation would be as terrible a business decision as signing GMJ to his contract was.

Anyway, I agree with the side point about the Yankees management “blaming” Tampa Bay for the loss of the potential day/night doubleheader being idiotic and low. And I agree that we don’t exactly need to go fishing for more reasons to hate the Yankees.

by AlanFalcon on Jul 9, 2011 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions

Meanwhile...

ex-Halo Kevin Gregg stands up to Boston. Life is good today.

All-time Single Season GIDP Record: 36 (Jim Rice, 1984). Torii Hunter GIDP 2011 to date: 19 (53% of the way there, 55% of the way through the season!)

by Stirrups on Jul 8, 2011 10:36 PM PDT reply actions

Video of the "fight" here

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110708&content_id=21613162&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

We Want Wilson

by ryanfea on Jul 8, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions

love that

by yeswecan on Jul 9, 2011 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions

I'd PAY to see Ortiz charge the mound against Kyle Farnsworth

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes

by johnnyangel101 on Jul 9, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions

Kevin Gregg

Back when he was still with the Halos, he got suspended for throwing at someone (I don’t even remember who). Anyway, the Rev and I saw him serving his suspension sitting in the RF bleachers one night. He’s never shied away from being an enforcer on the mound.

by jjackflash on Jul 9, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions

Can we get him back? We need a designated badass!

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Jul 9, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions

i want to put money down

Gregg gets 10 games
Ortiz gets 3 games

hypocrisy at work

by Halos in DE on Jul 9, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions

Sounds fair.

Closer is pretty much a valueless position on the Orioles.

"Laser show. So relax."
Francona is to McDonald and Jenks as Infant is to Plastic Bags and Matches

by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 10, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions

Aaaaah yes...

How fitting for the Yankees organization to mirror the same sense of entitlement their front-running fans have made disgustingly their own, up until 2004 of course. May the Yankees spend a hundred billion dollars and not see a World Series for a hundred years.
Fuck the Red Sox too.

by LAA101010 on Jul 8, 2011 11:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

This should become my new sig line. Rec'd.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Jul 8, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions

I really didn't need another reason.

Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.

by RexTookMyStash on Jul 9, 2011 12:01 AM PDT reply actions

I for one am excited about Derek Jeter's 3000th hit

Which will also be his 101110111000th hit in binary, his 5670th hit in octal, his BB8th in hexadecimal, and his 10th hit in Base-3000. So congratulations, Derek Jeter, on belonging to a species that counts with its fingers. Good luck on your quest for hit number BBB!

by Suboptimal on Jul 9, 2011 12:30 AM PDT reply actions

Isn't that going to happen three hits later?

I don’t think he’ll have a problem hitting that twelve fingered milestone.

by AlanFalcon on Jul 9, 2011 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions

Gah, of course I mean 16 fingered milestone.

Whatever. I’m more excited for free Slurpees on 7/11

by AlanFalcon on Jul 9, 2011 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions

What wait?

Free slurpees? Did I miss something? Is this a promotion?

Well, come see a fat old man some time!

by Moondoggy on Jul 9, 2011 4:34 AM PDT up reply actions

FREE as in Slurpee

by eyespy on Jul 9, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions

Hating the Yankees is never OT.

Captain, there are doubt's...

"It’s a good opportunity to show we have the strength to respond" - Arsene Wenger, 2011

by Match Day 5 on Jul 9, 2011 5:41 AM PDT reply actions

Plus, it's not like we really needed another reason to hate them. But it's nice to have.

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Jul 9, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions

Good for the Rays

by homercles on Jul 9, 2011 7:29 AM PDT reply actions

Maybe Jeter can sit out till the next homestand. He sucks this year anyways...

They wouldn’t even notice he wasn’t in the line-up.

Chick Chicky Boom!

by Monkeyspanked on Jul 9, 2011 10:54 AM PDT reply actions

Jeter just joined the 3,000 hit club with a home run

We Want Wilson

by ryanfea on Jul 9, 2011 11:07 AM PDT reply actions

when will the boner on this end on ESPN?

by eyespy on Jul 9, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions

On Monday

ESPN is going to continue on about it all weekend.

Swung on and missed, he struck him out! ~ Terry Smith

Angels' 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 13-7

by blast21dave on Jul 9, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions

HBO has some 3K special lined up

but I don’t have that channel.

/sadface

by eyespy on Jul 9, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions

ESPN will need to go to the hospital

for Priapism.

"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana

by Chzburger Jones on Jul 10, 2011 3:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

I'm guessing four hours...as Viagra has taught us all so well:

“If you have an erection lasting longer than four hours, please get your ass to the emergency room…”

NA, #34 SP, LAA
Light up the Halo for Nick!

More Howie please...

by hk47 on Jul 9, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions

Dude who got the ball willingly gave it up to Jeter.

Unexpected. Of course, the guy is getting the Red Carpet treatment as a reward from the Yankees anyway.

by AlanFalcon on Jul 9, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions

Think the Yanks

will also cover the taxes with receiving such “gifts”?

Swung on and missed, he struck him out! ~ Terry Smith

Angels' 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 13-7

by blast21dave on Jul 9, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions

OT Boston Fan

I went golfing with friends yesterday we asked someone to take our picture and a Red Sux fan walked by and said the Red Sox Nation was strong because my friend was wearing a Red Sux hat. I told him we all weren’t in the Nation. He looked at my Angels hat and said “yeah well the Angels don’t compete.” I asked him what happened last time the two teams met in the playoffs. Evidently that doesn’t count as competing. Douche.

I'd like to DFA Reagins

by hauldog on Jul 11, 2011 10:57 AM PDT reply actions