There's No Crying In Baseball!
So I watched the game this morning and got all kinds of fired up, and after it was over my wife and I hit Disneyland for my sister-in-laws 21st birthday. The whole time there my brother-in-law and I were talking about what happened. Then I got online to see what was said by some of the players to the media and it got me to thinking (a dangerous thing indeed). What the crap is everybody crying about?
This is the way I see it, and I am sure all of you will disagree with something.
#1. The Angels got beat by arguably the best pitcher in baseball right now. Verlander is filthy and we all knew it would have to be another stellar performance by our ace to win this one. So why worry about the outcome? Just move on and win the next series.
#2. Both pitchers were cry babies and studs for their teams today: Weaver got but hurt by the first homerun; although I felt that "making sure it was fair" was as good a way of saying "I was watching my blast" as Weaver saying "I was trying to go inside and it got away from me."
Verlander was a baby when he felt Aybar was "bush league" (which it would have been had the game not been close) for bunting in the eighth inning. Aybar leads all of baseball in the category of bunt hits over the last 2 years, so to feel like he shouldn’t have been playing his game is wrong. We’re trying to win our division as well Verlander, just deal with it.
Both pitchers were studs today, not just because they both pitched well, but because they didn’t back down. Verlander made some very good pitches to get a struggling Hunter and preserve the lead (not to mention he was carving up hitters all day). Weaver didn’t back down from getting shown up on the second homerun, hit by Guillen, and knowing that he was going to get run from the game for throwing a warning pitch. We all know that Weaver had A+ command of his pitches and if he wanted to hit the batter he would have.
#3. Aybar was not bush league for bunting, he was for throwing an elbow. During the rundown he made contact with Verlander, and I didn’t feel it was needed. I know that he was trying to knock the baseball free from the glove but he completely missed and hit Verlander in the chest. That was bush league.
#4. Weaver was not intending to hit anybody, but he was letting some people know that he was pissed. You could see it all over his face after the warning as he was shaking his head with a disgusted face on, and you knew what was coming. Hence the reason Mathis called for an inside fastball, everyone knew it was coming.
#5. I can’t wait to see if these two teams meet in the playoffs this year; although, I don’t see anything happening due to the worry of getting tossed and missing playoff games. I do however, see this thing blowing up in spring training next summer.
I was talking to a good friend of mine about this earlier today, who is a great baseball mind, and who played many years in the minors as a pitcher. He told me that any reputable pitcher would have done what both of them did (Weaver and his high and tight as well as Verlander yelling at Aybar). It’s baseball, its hardnosed baseball, and it’s what makes the sport great.
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My only issue with yesterday
Is that Weaver should have hit the batter after Guillen: not in the head, but right in the ribs with the hardest fastball he has. That is Bob Gibson / Don Drysdale baseball. The issue with Guillen’s stunt is then settled on the field where it should be. This is hard-nosed, throwback baseball. If a hitter shows up the pitcher, they know there will be retribution. No one does it because they know one of their teammates will pay the price.
RE: #3
I disagree with the last portion of this. If Verlander or anyone else doesn’t want to make contact in that situation, then don’t block the plate and get the hell out of the base path. What else is the runner supposed to do? There’s a thing called a swipe tag…use it. To me this whole thing was just hardnosed baseball.
I agree with the rest of your assessment.
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by Commander_Nate on Aug 1, 2011 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
What about this one?

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
by red floyd on Aug 2, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Waver would kick all there asses by himself
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
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Waver would kick all there asses by himself
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
Who the hell is Waver?
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
I know
I’m just being a jackass to DOV
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
kNOCK KNOCK
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Who's there?
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
Cow
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
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Cow who?
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
COW I AM GOING TO BEAT YOU UP
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So why isn't Furbush in this Bush League?
The real victim here is the Bush League, it seems to have gotten a lot of derogatory press the last few days.
My take on this - there were four idiocies
1. To me, it looked like Ordonez really was watching his ball to see if it went foul. I understand why Weaver mistook it for preening, but he needs to let it go. Let the emotion fire you up, but the jawing was unnecessary. I think Weaver over-reacted here.
2. Guillen’s home run dance was stupid. Way over the line and a direct taunt to Weaver. He also had to know what was coming next, so you could say that he threw Avila under the bus.
3. I’m fine with Weaver getting himself ejected. He was coming out of the game after the next batter anyway. But I do NOT condone him throwing up at Avila’s head. Yes, I believe he missed on purpose. I just don’t think you mess around with that. Miss by a bit and you can end a guy’s career. If you don’t mind putting him on base, drill him in the ribs. If you want to send your message without putting a guy on base, throw the ball behind him. Just don’t throw near the head. Props to Avila, by the way, for staying calm and not escalating things further.
4. Verlander is a bitch for whining about Aybar bunting. This is still baseball, right? Aybar needs to get on base so the Angels can try to win. And I’m fine with Aybar’s elbow. Verlander played that terribly and should have been in a different position. Aybar is trying to score. It wasn’t like he threw a vicious forearm to Verlander’s head. Verlander needs to get over it.
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Definitely agree with #3
Even if you’re trying to throw it over his head, it is still incredibly dangerous.
No crying in baseball
But it’s okay to shout, taunt, tease, curse, punch, kick, throw, and all the other things that little boys to do on a playground.
Just no crying.
Aybar should have knocked his ass over ala Ray Fosse
don’t stand 20 ft up the baseline and not expect contact. Verlander needs to get real.
#3
Aybar was not bush league for any play that occurred on Sunday.
Bunt play – fine and dandy anytime during a game, unless you want to break unwritten rules, especially when you are within a grand slam anytime in the game.
Elbow – Good play, and the right play at the time, not bush league at all. Rule 7.06, the Obstruction Rule, explains it all. Velander was on the basepath; didn’t have the ball in his possession; while running past Verlander, Erick makes contact to show the umpire that Justin was obstructing the play while on the basepath. Better an elbow, it showed that he was close. Than a clothesline, either or both players could have gotten hurt. If it kept Verlander from controlling the catch, all the better. That’s a play we teach eight year old players in Little League. Not so much as to take advantage of the other team, but to prevent collisions, and injuries, on the field of play.
Baseball is considered a contact sport.
I agree with trying to make contact....
Yet do you throw an elbow at a catcher? Keep the arms in and run into the guy, if you want the ump to see contact you run into the pitcher. I just feel the elbow is what was unnecessary, not the contact.
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by pendletonmike on Aug 1, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
It was a nothing contact that barely, if even, moved Verlander
He was only going for contact on the play. What would have it been if he tried to run him down? I would have loved to see what kind of rules would have been made up on that spot.
Verlander with the threats from the dugout were bush league, and if Jered get suspended, Justin should too. I mean he is threatening another player with violence. Maybe Erick should get a TRO out on Verlander. Say he can’t get within 61 feet of the Admiral?
Totally agree with all of this
The one person I’m pissed at is Torii Hunter, for throwing Weaver under the bus in the postgame comments. Yes, Jered overreacted — not to Guillen, but to Ordonez — but Torii needs to have his back, at least when it comes to public comments.
Didn't know Hunter did this
Which falls right in line with Scioscia’s spineless postgame presser. Disgusting. This team needs Weaver’s fire and here these dolts are putting it out.
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Jim Leyland made a good point
Don’t stick up for him if you know he’s wrong. He wouldn’t stick up for Magglio because he was neither right nor was he wrong.
This whole thing should have been left between Weaver and Magglio.
Verlander can blow that elbow crap out his ass...
…he was stradling the baseline 10ft up from homeplate and he didn’t even have the ball. Grow a pair. It’s already the Year of the Pitcher part 2 and this bitch ass thinks he should be handed another no-hitter? F him.
They don't play in Spring Training
Not to be a dick, but Detroit plays in Florida, the Angels in Arizona. That’s pretty common knowledge.
If there was anyone who should who's place it was to step in
it was Miguel Cabrera. He got dragged into it by Weaver.
BUT, he stayed out of it. We didn’t hear anything about Miggy the rest of the game.
But then Guillen intervenes?
That tells me that it should have been left to Weaver and Magglio.
And I’m sure they would have made their peace later on.
BUNTING
During a no-hitter is one of baseball’s many unwritten rules.
Lets just say that Nolan Ryan was Verlander in that situation, he would pick off to second and purposely throw it low on the ground to where Aybar’s head would’ve been if he dove back to second.
Bunting in a 9-0 game vs a 3-0 game
they are two completely different situations. Also Aybar is doing what he has to do to win the game. Speed is his advantage and Aybar not using it would be like Ryan Howard only hitting singles.
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Exactly. It's like saying Babe Ruth should deliberately not try for a home run because the opposing pitcher has a no-no going.
Bunting is a huge part of Aybar’s game.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Chin music
That wasn’t from getting hit in the back or ribs. The chin is on the head, and is Gibson-Drydale old school.
Weavers location was perfect. Remember, Avila was Weave’s catcher two weeks ago and didn’t say a word and took his base, so he was cool the ball was 3 feet over his head and isn’t nursing a bruised rib or broken bone today.
The two other guys told Avila where the ball was going.
Weaver told the up in that little pow wow they had after the HR what was going to happen. The ump told Weave that if he did that he would get tossed. Weaver said that he don’t care, got to send a message.
It was all common knowledge to everyone what was going to happen. Why would Weave want to hurt Avila? Hurting him would involve both benches, and Weave was handling this himself.

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