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Lyle Spencer Twitter Orgy of Jeff Mathis Love Embarrasses All Who Cover the Game

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In case you are just joining us, Major League Baseball employs a baseball writer to cover the Angels named Lyle Spencer. If you were directing a movie about Lyle's relationship to Angels fans and you called central casting and asked for a crusty, backward dinosaur so blinded by the smug arrogance of his lofty journalistic post that he was laughably out of touch with two generations of his readers who were more educated about the subject he covered, central casting would inform your movie studio that your screenplay was too clichéd to ever be believable.

While Major League Baseball claims that its reporters are independent voices, it is just too suspicious that the easiest thing for a casual fan to criticize about the Angels is manager Mike Scioscia's commitment to playing catcher Jeff Mathis because of intangible Catcher skills. Mathis is a terrible batter but his defenders cite his game-calling ability and defense behind the plate. There are few, if any, statistical measurements of Catching that reveal Mathis to be anything but beyond ordinary. As a batter, he is one of a handful of non-pitching players in history with 1300 Plate Appearances and a batting average under the Mendoza line of .200, and the only one with no definable defensive greatness beyond the word of Mike Scioscia and Lyle Spencer.

Add in these facts:

  • Mike Napoli was traded away this offseason and has gone on to handle the pitching staff of the Texas Rangers just fine and has produced with the bat at a stellar level.
  • The very blogging analysts that Lyle Brontosaurus regularly mocks with snide asides were the most vociferous against Mathis last season.
  • Said peanut gallery was the most passionate against the trade of Napoli for Vernon Wells this offseason.
  • Core blogosphere continues to point out the stunning negative production on both ends of the plate by Mathis.

In the face of this, Lyle Spencer has stridently painted himself into a corner regarding the alleged greatness of Jeff Mathis. This morning, after a particularly bitter loss to the Rangers, Spencer took to Twitter (not happy with his mlb.com Bully Pulpit) to glorify the great mediocrity of Jeff Mathis and bemoan those of us who would criticize this Double-A hack.

I have assembled Lyle's tweets from this morning and removed hashtags and response codes. Here is all that Lyle Spencer had to say this morning, in tweet-by-tweet-by-pathetic-tweet, after the Angels fell to five games behind Arlington...

Catching is 80 percent defense. Offense is icing. Mathis is an excellent receiver.

This is pure opinion. There is no research that supports Lyle Spencer's "80%". All statistical research has shown that catching defense, while admittedly difficult to measure in a manner that it can be solidly quantified, has no demonstrable need to be so singled out in a player that the potential offense from the position can or should be mitigated. The difference between a league average defender at the position and a great defender at the position is minimal. To quantify that minimal difference as 80% is a random calibration that this egomaniac writer/twitterer has pulled from the ether. It means nothing. And there is no way to quantify "excellent" other than, again, it is one man's opinion, a man who has not shown he can persuasively analyze baseball at the ability with which his exclusive job description might imply.

I like Conger a lot. His time is coming. The vemon [sic] toward Mathis is counterproductive and out of proportion to reality. Not sure why but Angels followers come out of woodwork on nights like this. They're quiet in good times.

Here is Lyle holding the pom-poms of mlb.com, cheerleading a minor league prospect who has been robbed of MLB playing time by an outdated approach to lineup management. Tool Spencer is a better byline. The "venom" toward Mathis is a mass-comprehension of what the Angels gave up with Napoli, the paucity of the return received and the refusal ...and that is important REFUSAL, not NOT inability... the refusal of the team to try to fill the absence of Napoli's bat in a sickly offensive lineup. And Lyle Pressbox doesn't understand why we come out of the woodwork on nights of complete failure? What, we don't appreciate the blueberry pie at the pressbox cafeteria? And note his choice of "followers" - semiotically implying that we are brain-dead and passive in our thinking, as opposed to fans. Maybe we fans are quiet in good times because it is just such a relief to win with this Napoli/Conger-free lineup that we cannot afford to upset the natural order of things.

Mathis entered late in the game when it was 8-4. If my math is correct the 27 outs Jeff Mathis has a firm hand in creating are 9 times more valuable than 3 he gives up with bat.

The implication is that a catcher has a firm hand in creating the outs that we usually assign to pitchers. Hey, let's channel Ron Paul. What would the free market say about this? The free market would say that a player is paid on his ability to excel at his job. Free agent pitchers make way more than free agent catchers. Pitchers are supposed to get 27 outs every five games. If catchers were truly responsible for "firm-handing" 27 outs for four out of five of those games, their salaries would dwarf that of Alex Rodriguez and Adrian Gonzalez. But catching salaries are in line with average position player salaries. You wanna know why? Because the impact of catchers affects a single digit of those 27 outs in even the most involved defensive catching situations and the market reflects this in its catching salary valuations.

Resorting to name calling over disagreements never accomplishes anything. It is childish behavior

Being a smug elitist, though, has served Lyle Spencer quite well. Learn from the master. Discredit your opponents with a sneer instead of accurate arguments and ongoing dialogue.

Mathis has produced a lot more Ws than Ls with his 27. Gets no credit for Ws inordinate blame for Ls.

The pitchers record the 27 outs. Look at the box score. Where is the handy stat that reveals the Catcher's relationship to those outs? There is none. If there were, Mathis might be in the negative some games. He should get no credit until his ole can be measured and for Lyle to imply that this ability is apparent without explaining the specifics is your basic journalistic hubris made scarce (but not extinct) by the democracy of the internet.

Napoli has benefited by getting into fresh environment. Same would happen to Mathis. Hope it happens this winter.

How do you quantify "fresh environment" instead of simply looking at, oh, maybe that elusive stat of "how he always did with regular playing time". And note Lyle Spencer lamenting the victim status of Jeff Mathis. There is something inherently "unfresh" about the catching environment in Anaheim. Mike Napoli was pretty good here and is now pretty good in the fresh environment of Arlington. Mathis is lousy here and will benefit by not being here? The logic is assaulted by the pathos.

Most undervalued in franchise history by far. 94, 97 100 wins his first 3 years. No credit at all.

Mathis was not the catcher in all those victories, not that it matters a whit. He gets no credit at all because his offensive production has been negative for his career, in those seasons specifically, and there is no way to factor in his defensive contributions in a manner that has any meaningful impact on what his batting failed to produce.

Mathis had one AB. Can we at least be fair for a change?

If the dialogue about Mathis were just about last night, all would be fair. But the criticism of Mathis has been quite fair, with stats telling the story and defenders of Jeff relying on fairy dust and assertions of superior analytical skills that are left unexplained. This latter method has the initials B.S.

Catchers guide defense and call pitches. They are most valuable aspect of defense. Sorry so few grasp that.

Where are the numbers for this in the box score? Why is Mathis such a great "guide" when Jered Weaver is pitching but not when Joel Pineiro is pitching? Why don't catchers make four times the salary that pitchers do?

No. You all win. I'm begging Angels to move Mathis this winter so he can get clean slate like buddy Nap. He needs out of this.

Jeff needs out of what? Out of internet criticism? I would wager, strongly wager, that Mathis doesn't read anything much more than his email on the internet. We all win because Lyle Spencer cannot pontificate from the castle tower any more without hearing the cries of the crowd below, the logical analysis of his methodologies are gaining traction and his reputation as a hack is becoming solidified because he picked a fight he had no idea required preparation for which he was not intellectually nor emotionally equipped. And so his sobbing for Jeff is a sobbing for what it once meant to be a mainstream reporter.

Catchers are heart of any defense. Every good manager will tell you that. Not just Mike.

Are shortstops the liver? is Howie Kendrick our team's kidneys? What will every good doctor tell you?

You'd be surprised. I'd love to see Mathis in Milwaukee or Cincinnati or TB. Even Boston. Can see him excelling all those places

Want to bet your job on it? Of course, Lyle Spencer has been insisting that Jeff Mathis has excelled in Anaheim, so the definition of "excel" falls under the umbrella of "weasel words"

OK. I'm done with the Mathis subject. Feel free to hack away at will. Have fun.

Lyle Spencer is under the impression that he can take his ball and go home. How can bloggers be derided in the presence of outrageously obtuse hacks in the professional sphere?

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Conger, and Santana

Jorge is a Yankee after all. He might even have a little Jeter in him by now.

by eyespy on Aug 16, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, if you're gonna give up Santana,

we also will need to get Kei Igawa in return.

by FlaAngelFan on Aug 16, 2011 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey!

welcome to HH

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN

by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 16, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

wtf???
Most undervalued in franchise history by far

I’m starting to think he’s just messing with the fans now. there’s no way he can write all of that and really believe it

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN

by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 16, 2011 5:16 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yes, I would love to see Premium in Milwaukee or Cincinnati or TB. Even Boston.

especially Boston this winter.

Vernon Wells / #10 / LAA / LF 2011-2014
2011 - $23M
2012 - $21M
2013 - $21M
2014 - $21M

by dan73962 on Aug 16, 2011 5:17 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

The thing is ...

We would have to release him. None of those teams would trade for him.

by eyespy on Aug 16, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did he seriously tweet that all today? I want that job.

Lyle Spencer is 80% bullshit with the rest of the 30% being horseshit.

by eyespy on Aug 16, 2011 5:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Enjoyed it Rev

Read it to my husband in the car and he enjoyed it.

But then, I don’t think we’ve watched 4000 games yet so what do we know?

THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!

by opiejeanne on Aug 16, 2011 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

You are the most undervalued member of HH by far. No credit at all.

My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Aug 16, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whaddaya want?

I’m afraid we can’t add you to the will.

THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!

by opiejeanne on Aug 16, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd settle for an internet cookie.

My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Aug 16, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok

I’ll bake some for you.

THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!

by opiejeanne on Aug 16, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem is that this all goes on Sosh

Jeff Mathis is doing what he is being paid millions to do. I just can’t figure out why Sosh and TR think it’s a good idea to pay him.

And Spencer might like the guy, might like some of what he does, but let’s be clear on how horrendous he is. Unless he is BAR NONE the greatest defensive catcher of ALL TIME, his offense is indefensible. Period.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Aug 16, 2011 5:53 PM PDT reply actions  

His offense is inoffensible too.

My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General

by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Aug 16, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mathis and Napoli games caught by year

Mathis
2005: 3
2006: 20
2007: 57
2008: 94
2009: 79
2010: 67
2011: 66

Napoli
2006: 94
2007: 75
2008: 75
2009: 27
2010: 28

Mathis has caught 50%+ of games only once in his career, yet he gets credits for the big win years.

Angels in 2011!

by tanana40 on Aug 16, 2011 5:56 PM PDT reply actions  

It looks like we're going to a Mariners game tonight

To watch them get clobbered by the Blue Jays.

THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!

by opiejeanne on Aug 16, 2011 5:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Rev, I just read every word of your post, and I don't think my jaw undropped even for a second.

The stupidity of Spencer’s blather is breathtaking.

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Aug 16, 2011 5:58 PM PDT reply actions  

so in the series against seattle a couple weeks ago I was telling a buddy of mine about the gaping hole in the lineup called mathis

and we got to reasoning what reasons a manager might actually have for continually playing him…

the only real reason we could come up with as a good reason would be that the starting pitchers believe that mathis is a better defensive catcher than all of the other options and feel more confident throwing to him… but again like you mentioned in the post, that’s not really a measurable stat, since no matter how well he plays behind the plate, it’s still a judgment/perception thing on the part of the starting pitcher

that or mathis has blackmail material on Mike, TR and/or Arte…

btw, that night mathis went 0-3 with 2 strike outs, left 5 men on base, was booed by many, cheered by my buddy (M’s fan), and izzy was cheered when he pinch hit for mathis in the 9th :p

by joeyz34 on Aug 16, 2011 6:16 PM PDT reply actions  

I really think this is true, by the way

I believe that the pitching staff really likes throwing to Mathis. I don’t offer that as an excuse or a meaningful comment in the sense that it has a tangible effect on the outcome of a game, but I really think that the pitchers, veteran starters in particular, just like the guy. They’ve certainly defended him in public on several occasions.

Defending maligned chants since 2009

by Gorbachav5 on Aug 17, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

...like I needed more reinforcement of my cynicism. It's bad enough in politics.

Bagdad Bob;

“Lying is forbidden in Iraq. President Saddam Hussein will tolerate nothing but truthfulness as he is a man of great honor and integrity. Everyone is encouraged to speak freely of the truths evidenced in their eyes and hearts.”

Bagdad Lyle:

(Insert favorite Twitter post from above).

by sothball on Aug 16, 2011 6:34 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

This man's LACK of a grasp of reality is amazing.

That Kool-aid that Fearless leader Soth hands out must be awful tasty.

"Grantland Rice, the great sportswriter, once said 'It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.'
Well, Grantland Rice can go to hell as far as I am concerned." - Gene Autry

by Angelsfan015 on Aug 16, 2011 6:34 PM PDT reply actions  

I GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Truthiness
Truthiness is a “truth” that a person claims to know intuitively “from the gut” in that it “feels right” without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

by Halos in DE on Aug 16, 2011 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

The Halos should run Mathis through on waivers

and see if anyone – especially the teams that Spencer lists – claim him. Besides no one claiming and Mathis remaining on roster…what’s the worst thing that could happen?

by mustard_man on Aug 16, 2011 6:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Panther. You saved me a lot of typing today.

I had read those Lyle twits as well, and was planning on declaring war on stupidity when I got home from work tonight. Now maybe all I have to do is daily battles. All I was going to do was give it an edit job after that first read I did before leaving the office. Now I see that even this is unecessary. Brilliant beginning to the HH FireLyleSpencer campaign.

Mike Scioscia has zero credibility to get mad at anyone, or anything. He is the reason Jeff Mathis plays baseball.

by Stirrups on Aug 16, 2011 7:08 PM PDT reply actions  

seriously

firelylespencer is a great idea.

www.appealtoemulsion.com

by feNOMINAL on Aug 16, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was working on something too

It was going to be more of a Colbert-style mockery. This is great, though, Rev. I had no idea all of this had happened just this morning.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Aug 16, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its like he's been caught in an indefensible lie.

Even in the presence of overwhelming empirical evidence, he shrugs it off and continues his mantra of ‘Mathis is great because I say he’s great.’ He mixes in ‘fans and bloggers are stupid and uninformed because they believe metrics and their own eyes rather than my words’ just for good measure.

Lamest poster of all-time.

by ineptituderunsamok on Aug 16, 2011 7:22 PM PDT reply actions  

So it is clearly time to double down.

Mike Scioscia has zero credibility to get mad at anyone, or anything. He is the reason Jeff Mathis plays baseball.

by Stirrups on Aug 16, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Über Panther

I love this site, and all it stands for.
I’ve been following this action via Angelsrthebest101’s fan post.
This is the pièce de résistance.
Fantastic job Rev!

I once saw Jeff Mathis get a base hit.

by Halo Hurricane on Aug 16, 2011 7:36 PM PDT reply actions  

You’d be surprised. I’d love to see Mathis in Milwaukee or Cincinnati or TB. Even Boston. Can see him excelling all those places

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Leave us out of this.

"Laser show. So relax."
Francona is to McDonald and Jenks as Infant is to Plastic Bags and Matches

by nuthinboutnuthin on Aug 16, 2011 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Strategically speaking...

… “accidentally” leaving him when the Halos are the visiting team is probably the best use for Mathis.

"Laser show. So relax."
Francona is to McDonald and Jenks as Infant is to Plastic Bags and Matches

by nuthinboutnuthin on Aug 16, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, you'll love him.

He’s athletic, premium, and he’ll singlehandedly make your team the greatest team ever. No lie.

by TheKingfish on Aug 16, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

This post is amazing.

Also, Googling “lyle spencer twitter” is now going to give some hilarious results. Awesome.

"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood

by Mayheminthehood on Aug 16, 2011 7:56 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

WRT to tweet #2

“The vemon [sic] toward Mathis is counterproductive and out of proportion to reality.”

How is being statistically one of the worst hitter OF ALL TIME out of proportion to anything? I am doing my part and you can too. If you ‘Like’ the official Angels page on facebook simply reply to every single post they make with “DFA Mathis, bring up Conger”. It’s what I’ve been doing for the past week or so. Join in and maybe they will get a clue.

by turs12 on Aug 16, 2011 8:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I've always loved the picture where he's about to cry.

And the man in the background laughing.
Mathis desperately looking for his manager daddy and his mlb reach around press buddy.

I once saw Jeff Mathis get a base hit.

by Halo Hurricane on Aug 16, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's actually closer to $2m that he makes.

Pollyanna is dead. But don't get mad at me, I didn't kill her. Tony Reagins did.

by snowhor on Aug 17, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

uh

I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider

by DAD OF VLAD on Aug 17, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does this mean FJM is changing to FLS?

Just wondering

Well, come see a fat old man some time!

by Moondoggy on Aug 16, 2011 10:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Rangers Fan

Well done post, I check in on you guys from time to time. cERA is a fake stat, the Lyle guy sounds like a douche

by mhilgtx on Aug 16, 2011 10:31 PM PDT reply actions  

You don't even need to FJM the guy. Spencer's arguments fail on their own merits.

He bases the argument for Mathis on CERA and team wins.

Mathis has a worse CERA by half a run or more than the catcher with the next most plate appearances for Santana, Pineiro, and Chatwood. Between Conger and Mathis catching Weaver, it’s nearly a wash (2.30 vs 2.15). Only catching Haren does he show a CERA advantage.

In the Angels’ 100 win season, which Spencer credits fully to Mathis, Napoli was majority-time catcher. In the two years since, when Mathis has been the majority-time catcher, the Angels have badly underperformed.

He can’t even win the fight using his own crap weapons.

by Turks Teeth on Aug 16, 2011 10:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Lyle was holding a shit hand, decided to hold all his cards, and then went all in.

And for some reason, this craftiness is rewarded by MLB by naming him the communication vehicle for we, the fans.

Mike Scioscia has zero credibility to get mad at anyone, or anything. He is the reason Jeff Mathis plays baseball.

by Stirrups on Aug 16, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lyle has four 5's in his hand

But forgot that he was playing fish. Where the numbers he is holding, don’t mean a thing.

by eyespy on Aug 17, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It would kind of be cool if there were multiple Lyle Spencers. Can you imagine the awesomeness of watching two people angrily argue with each other about whether Jeff Mathis or Yuniesky Betancourt is the bigger all-star snub?

--
Dan Szymborski
Dan's Stuff is on: BTF, ESPN, Twitter

by D.Szymborski on Aug 16, 2011 11:30 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I completely had missed Spencer’s entry on the Wells trade until it was going around on twitter tonight. Wow.

--
Dan Szymborski
Dan's Stuff is on: BTF, ESPN, Twitter

by D.Szymborski on Aug 16, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's more impressive?

Drawing a visit from Dan, or creating a large enough shitstorm against our own MLB reporter that it crosses Dan’s radar?

Mike Scioscia has zero credibility to get mad at anyone, or anything. He is the reason Jeff Mathis plays baseball.

by Stirrups on Aug 16, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone was paying attention

at the Vegas SBN convention this weekend.

by Rev Halofan on Aug 16, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you remember to bring me back my SBNation App?

Mike Scioscia has zero credibility to get mad at anyone, or anything. He is the reason Jeff Mathis plays baseball.

by Stirrups on Aug 17, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

it is coming

beta beta beta beta they say

by Rev Halofan on Aug 17, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

That would be pre-alpha.

I do this shyte for a living. I could handle that.

Mike Scioscia has zero credibility to get mad at anyone, or anything. He is the reason Jeff Mathis plays baseball.

by Stirrups on Aug 17, 2011 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bah, don’t you guys still have Welch around? He’s WAY better known than I am. In the pantheon of notoriety, I’m about the level of a classmate of Star Wars Kid.

--
Dan Szymborski
Dan's Stuff is on: BTF, ESPN, Twitter

by D.Szymborski on Aug 17, 2011 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Matt is also a hell of a lot smarter than we are, too.

So he ditched this ship a week ago. We take whatever celebs we can get. Even if you are this guy.

Mike Scioscia has zero credibility to get mad at anyone, or anything. He is the reason Jeff Mathis plays baseball.

by Stirrups on Aug 17, 2011 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

What?

You don’t think Eckstein can give us 20-30 HR’s and 100’s more hits

"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter

by ryanfea on Aug 17, 2011 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

It gets better.

I think the fact that the site has apparently become so friendly to Rangers fans has also become quite an accomplishment. I hate Lyle Spencer for using the world’s worst possible baseball player and example to make dead-on arguments. The collective POS is coming out of nowhere, usually quiet when we’re winning.

2 must-wins…

"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)

by thebigtizzle on Aug 17, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who's quiet when we're winning?

Most of us are cheering and would like to do so more often. The Angels’ current strategy isn’t conducive to this.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Aug 17, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously I'm not talking about the people who discuss this daily.

I’m referring to the sudden collective…up to and including the Rangers fans feeling this to be part of their friendly confines to come pick up anti-angels quotes and help talk shit about the team.

I’m a bit on edge at the moment so…

"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)

by thebigtizzle on Aug 17, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

the sad thing is

most of what the Rangers fans are saying are true and 100% due to self inflicted mistakes by our FO.

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN

by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 17, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

we have been beating ourselves as much as they’ve beaten us. So who do we blame? Ourselves, which is what we have in common with Ranger fans now.

by lightupthehalo29 on Aug 17, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't matter.

They should never feel invited to come here and talk shit or even help talk shit. That’s just my opinion.

"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)

by thebigtizzle on Aug 17, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

did someone invite them?

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN

by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 17, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes

"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)

by thebigtizzle on Aug 17, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

who? I must've missed that

I’d say its more the team’s shitty play on the field coupled with the FO’s poor decision making that has invited our rivals to come and gloat. if we were winning they’d have nothing to say.

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN

by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 17, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope.

if the team played shitty and they knew this wasn’t the place to come gloat they’d gloat amongst each other. Go over to a site of a team playing shittier than us (and there are a plenty) and take your liberties and see how it goes…we can deal with the causes when the time is right, even debate those causes as we usually do, but there should be some limits, no?

An invitation can be implied. It’s why people peer through windows before they walk into stores, restaurants, etc. You can tell if you’re welcomed there…

"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)

by thebigtizzle on Aug 17, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those gloating tend to get banned. Those who are civil I think tend to be treated in kind.

Pollyanna is dead. But don't get mad at me, I didn't kill her. Tony Reagins did.

by snowhor on Aug 17, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

so an invitation wasn't actually given

it was just implied?

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN

by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 17, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

semantics.

"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)

by thebigtizzle on Aug 17, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha, ok

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN

by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 17, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a community

A community that welcomes everyone, unless they can’t behave themselves.

If this were a private “members only” club, then yeah, you’re right. But we’re not.

by WiHaloFan on Aug 17, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody complains when we are winning, because nobody is sad that they dodge a bullet.

But we all know that the bullets will keep coming, because we have born witness to the manner in which our FO has built their battle plans versus that of our competitors. Being happy that we dodged one today may make us happy and may keep us quiet today, but we still know full well another one is coming tomorrow and our chances of dodging that next one are about 50/50 in even the best scenarios. And when we fail to dodge one, yeah, it hurts and we yelp. And we yelp loudly because we are frustrated because such frequency was unnecessary. And we yelp loudly because we can also forecast that we are set up to endure this barrage for some foreseeable time into our future. And we yelp loudly because we know that this was volunteered upon us and even we, the citizens well behind the battlements, could see the mistakes in the planning.

We fans are not the problem. We are doing what we are entitled to do as fans of our team: cheer for them or praise them or bitch over them or bitch at them. It’s part of the job description. No, the problem is not us. Nor is the problem what others think about us. The problem is on the field.

Mike Scioscia has zero credibility to get mad at anyone, or anything. He is the reason Jeff Mathis plays baseball.

by Stirrups on Aug 17, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

You keep saying "we'.

You’re not who I’m talking about. The reasons have been more than hashed out, even well before this losing streak. In fact, its hashed and re-hashed even during winning streaks. I’m obviously on the wrong side of the issue right now, but I think its still premature and am content to ride it out for the time being.

I still think the sense of entitlement is a joke. A modern one, no doubt, but a big fat joke. A team 7 games above .500 in a losing streak needs to play better, but it doesn’t need the eulogy yet.

"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)

by thebigtizzle on Aug 17, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

What are we supposed to say?

“Oh yeah, well, that’s just like…your opinion, man.”

Pollyanna is dead. But don't get mad at me, I didn't kill her. Tony Reagins did.

by snowhor on Aug 17, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN

by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 17, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

My Lord...

Lyle Spencer sure knows how to ride a dick.

by GTFO Fernando on Aug 17, 2011 12:33 AM PDT reply actions  

I just don't get it.

How can one man just consistently ride the cock of a man who is currently hitting under .180. What bizzaro world are we living in? And then he starts just giving him credit for the team’s win totals in seasons where he played right around half the games?

Why does he not ride Dennis Cook as hard as Mathis? After all, we won 100% of baseball’s World Series when he was in an Angels uniform.

by GTFO Fernando on Aug 17, 2011 12:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow

Almost spilled some coffee over this one. Very nice.

Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.

by Commander_Nate on Aug 17, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

LMAOOOOO

oh man… i’m seriously tearing up at work right now thats amazing. have to save this picture.

by pvinet on Aug 17, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great post

DFA Lyle!

"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter

by ryanfea on Aug 17, 2011 7:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I watched most of this twit-tastrophe live yesterday afternoon...

…it made my afternoon.

What does seem remarkable is that he seems as times blissfully unaware that he’s being ridiculed. The penny seems to have dropped today – total silence…

I see red people

by The Limey on Aug 17, 2011 8:34 AM PDT reply actions  

A good sign, perhaps?

When you find yourself deep in a hole, the first order of business is to stop digging.

Mike Scioscia has zero credibility to get mad at anyone, or anything. He is the reason Jeff Mathis plays baseball.

by Stirrups on Aug 17, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mathis Starting is the crux becuase

No Napoli:
Napoli bat > Mathis bat
Napoli at worst behind plate …not much lessened impact than… Mathis overrated defense behind plate
Napoli > Wells
Napoli Salary < Wells Salary
No Wells = Trout seasoned with a year in the bigs under his belt, maybe even ROY…
Napoli Catching/Conger backup = Naps DH means Abreu option doesn’t vest

Need I go on?

by Rev Halofan on Aug 17, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right Rev

I entirely agree with your analysis. And who is it that’s been writing Mathis’ name in the lineup card? Seems like that’s the guy whose feet we need to hold to the fire.

First Angels Game: 09-04-1969

by dzanr on Aug 17, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike owes Jeff

Mike promised him that he would become an All-Star Catcher under his toolage, and convinced Jeff to give up his chance at becoming an All-American Quarterback.

Thing are not working out the way Mike had promised, but Mike will never renege on a promise that he makes.

by eyespy on Aug 17, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same thoughts, Same time.

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Aug 17, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.

by angelslogic on Aug 17, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?

by red floyd on Aug 18, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mathis lost my pity when he publicly complained about playing time earlier this year.

You can suck, fine. I won’t hold that against you. But when he had the audacity to complain because Conger played 2 or 3 days in a row, while Mathis was batting sub-.200, I lost the capability to not blame Mathis.

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Aug 17, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this.

As I’ve said before, Mike has made no effort to justify why/how Mathis helps this club. To continue to do this and refuse to specifically illustrate it is craziness. You can’t blame Mathis for taking the gig (although I have enough pride that I would ask for some AAA time to work on my bat, but that’s my professionalism). I’m one of the few, but IMO if manager gave the GM some hocus pocus about the catcher spot and he ate it up from 2007 to 2010 while winning the division and avg 96 games I can’t blame him. If people are jumping him for Bane, imagine if undercut Mike between 2008-2010. At this point, something has got to give…I’d rather have Conger working on whatever the catching magic is and hitting than continue this. It’s beyond bizarre now.

"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)

by thebigtizzle on Aug 17, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree here. If i were mathis, and I sucked, I certainly wouldn't turn down the money. And as for being a team player, being a team player doesn't give me a new contract.

Being the lovechild of Mike Scioscia however, does, so while I totally hate Jeff Mathis, I have to admit, were I in his place, I would probably continue to suck it up on a daily basis.

But that really isn’t the point here. We are talking about the idiocy of Lyle Spencer. I can’t even believe he tweeted all that bullshit verbatim. My jaw is still lying on the floor.

Lyle Spencer will bemoan why mathis won’t get a chance in milwaukee, cincinatti, or boston, BECAUSE NO ONE OTHER THAN THE ANGELS WOULD EVER BE STUPID ENOUGH TO SIGN AND THEN PLAY HIM ON A REGULAR BASIS. Theres just no way. So we won’t see him excel at those places, because those places would never take such a Quadruple-A player (actually, maybe Double-A player) on a major league contract.

by pvinet on Aug 17, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Can’t really blame Mathis for taking the job [although he really shouldn’t have been bitching over PT earlier this season. . .]

How’s your sister doing, by the way?

by TheKingfish on Aug 17, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for asking...

She’s been home for 2 weeks now, doing a lot of physical therapy and neurological stuff.

I would think nothing of dedicating a year to the minors so I could have a long career rather than enduring what could be a career-ending season. I mean, at this rate, a team would avoid fan backlash rather than even inviting him to camp. It’s good money and you really have to care to turn it down.

"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)

by thebigtizzle on Aug 17, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can't blame him for trying

But you can blame him for SUCKING. That’s the criticism I’m hearing.

by yeswecan on Aug 17, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't hate on Jeff Mathis.

I hate on Jeff Mathis sucking up a preciously rare slot needed for productive contributions towards success, on a team that wants my time and attention, during a period of time when other slots are still occupied by players who might still be capable of contributing to the ultimate goal of a WS ring.

Mike Scioscia has zero credibility to get mad at anyone, or anything. He is the reason Jeff Mathis plays baseball.

by Stirrups on Aug 17, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

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