Jered Weaver Angels Contract Extension: Scott Boras Wins Too!
by Rev Halofan on Aug 22, 2011 12:21 AM PDT
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The news poured in an ordinarily uneventful Sunday evening: Angels pitcher Jered Weaver, had agreed to a five year, $85 million contract extension. The deal will pay him $17 million per season for 2012 thru 2016. In return for a decent hometown discount, the current ace of the Anaheim staff was given a complete no-trade clause for the length of the deal.
- Special Thanks to HALOS2.0, UK Halo and Figgi4life for creating fanshots here as the news broke late Sunday afternoon.
- I always had a hunch Jered liked it too much here to leave and of course, I gotta remind everyone that I boldly called Weaver staying with the team long-term in June despite the peanut gallery seeing pinstripes in a sky-is-falling future.
- At SBNLA, Eric Stephen crunches the numbers compared to other "ace" contracts and calls this one a big win-win.
This is a great day for JERED WEAVER...
He has job security, avoids a contentious offseason arbitration hearing, and is guaranteed five years of no-trade protection. Best of all, he can ignore the yapping narcissistic east coast media deluding itself into assuming that good players immediately want to sign with teams located in the humidity-strangled urban hellholes left over from the horse and buggy stenched days of the early industrial revolution.
This is a great day for the ANGELS...
They gave Felix Hernandez money to their CC Sabathia. They broke the stereotype of an organization that maximizes player value through arbitration years and lets other front offices go all-in on future performance. And most importantly, they got a number one starter, clubhouse leader, take no-prisoners demander of respect who is poised to set some all-time franchise records through the course of this contract.
This is a great day for SCOTT BORAS...
Boras is Weaver's agent and persona non-grata in the Angels clubhouse for his disingenuous Mark Teixeira negotiations in the post-'08 offseason. Scott's puppet in the press, SI reporter Jon Heyman, broke the news of the deal Sunday afternoon after having insisted in April that Weaver's pending free agency was a given, that There Would Be No Deal. Boras can now hold his head high for his dugout suite behind home plate at Angel Stadium of Anaheim, knowing that his good dealing is most likely welcome back at Club Moreno.
This is a great day for HALOS HEAVEN...
In Weaver's first season as an Angel, 2006, he earned the nickname WTY here at Halos Heaven, for "Weaver The Younger" to distinguish him from older brother Jeff, then also with the club. His other nicknames here have been the abbreviated WEAV and 'LIL WEAV and the overplayed "Dreamweaver", I can only suggest that on the eve of his signing a contract extension that will take him into his eleventh season with the club and pretty much sets him up to be an Angel for life that Halos Heaven decide on a befitting nickname for him. What do you think?
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Small nitpick Rev, but you wrote "This is a great day for the Jered Weaver" in the third paragraph.
Although, it does make Weave sound like some kind of mindless pitching machine…
Regardless, great move by the Angels. Much less than he could’ve gotten on the open market, although there is always that injury chance. Favorite part is the no-trade clause, that means he loves it here. Well, when we give him some support.
great catch, thanks
I was going to go club first but switched the pace of the thing. Thanks!
by Rev Halofan on Aug 22, 2011 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Weaver will be the first Angel in the Hall of Fame
Mark my words now.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Aug 22, 2011 12:38 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Vlad?
Can’t count out my man..
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
by vlad IS my man on Aug 22, 2011 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Vlad probably won't go in as an Angel
He could go on as an Angel, but there is a very good chance he will go in as an Expo. Weaver is gonna make it, and no matter where he finishes his career, he will go in as an Angel.
by Brody on Aug 22, 2011 4:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Vlad is a HOFer
He won’t play long enough to hit some of the mandatory milestones.
Vlad Not in
Jim Rice in?
Color me not interested in the baseball hall of fame.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
Vlad is totally in
Probably not first-round, but so long as he stays clean, he’ll be there Dude hits a ball that bounces off the ground before it gets to him into center field.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
Excuse me?
He’s already got some Gehrig-ain accomplishments under his belt.
Plus he’s got 400 HRs. he’s in.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Vlad should definitely make it in
Probably will take a few years, but he’s in. Only thing to be determined should be Angels/Expos
by TheKingfish on Aug 22, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
What about George Arias?
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Aug 22, 2011 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Mathis will get there first, if Lyle Spencer has a vote!
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Gaddaffi is a Red Sox fan . . .
he is just that evil. Haha.
www.LosAngelesRams.org
CALIFORNIA ANGELS . . . ANAHEIM DUCKS . . . CALIFORNIA GOLDEN BEARS
1920 • 1921 • 1922 • 1923 • 1937 • 1947 • 1951 • 1957 • 1959 • 2002 • 2007
Gaddaffi's sons have been captured so they must be Mariner fans.
"It's our money," owner Arte Moreno said.
You, sir, are a brilliant wordsmith
…humidity-strangled urban hellholes left over from the horse and buggy stenched days of the early industrial revolution.
Incidentally, that also makes “Jersey Shore” a bit easier to understand.
Oh, and “DreamWeaver” is my vote for his nickname.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
It's not that humid here ... today.
:/
"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11
To answer your question as to a befitting nickname:
I thought about how cool Weaver was in signing this “gift” contract and came up with “Leave it to Weaver.”
Or
Naming the Angels uniform color after his first name: “J-red.”
Or
Referencing the length of his contract and playing on a previous name: “Weaver the Extended.”
But
My favorite: The nickname for all posterity referencing the event that made headlines resulting in his supension – Weaver’s new nickname: “Brushback.”
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
by angelslogic on Aug 22, 2011 1:11 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
How about "Mr Congeniality?"
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Aug 22, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, Logic...
but theses are horrible.
dissenter, dubious and devil's advocate to blog monitors everywhere.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Aug 22, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't 'bout that, BHM, I kinda liked all of the them
But Dreamweaver is still my favorite
More Howie please...
Leave it to Weaver is the title of several of Jim's ADATP comics.
Example: http://www.halosheaven.com/2009/5/8/869178/angels-those-wacky-canadians-5-7-09
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Teehee
My name’s in this.
BASEBALL !!! ...sucks :( or maybe not?
by Figgi4life on Aug 22, 2011 1:25 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Move over brother Jeff
Once WTY has a couple WS rings on his hand, he will surpass WTE to become WTS: Weaver the Superior
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must." ~ Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
Angels 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 14-10
He has been Superior
Jered passed Jeff in career value probably sometime back in 2008. And the only reason he has a ring is because Jered outpitched him so much here in 2006. So in a way, he owes that ring to his little brother.
BTW, Tony Reagins has totally redeemed himself.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
by RallyMonkey5 on Aug 22, 2011 4:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Definitely a start for TR
I’ve been on a very tight budget this year. But as soon as I can I will proudly purchase my Weaver jersey!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Aug 22, 2011 8:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The friggin' team store never has any
Anything with “Weaver” or “Haren” on it disappears moments after the gates open. I finally went with a Morales jersey, which I think was only still in the store because a lot of casual fans have forgotten who he is.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Aug 22, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Ha! I bet!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Aug 22, 2011 9:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Really?
I checked in during the Interleague series with the Dodgers (when they were on sale for 40% off) and they had Weaver Jerseys. I almost bought one (in the 1961-style). Kinda wish I had.
Yeah
I had my brother snag me the Morales jersey during another 40% off deal and he didn’t find anything. The next weekend I was at the stadium myself and they also didn’t have any. I asked one of the store employess and he said “Weaver and Haren fly off the shelves. Every. Single. Day.”
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Aug 22, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Which Stadium Store?
In my experience, the one on the 2nd level is better stocked than (and not as busy as) the one on the field level. When I saw the WTY jerseys, it was in the 2nd (Terrace) level store.
We looked at both.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Aug 22, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Reagins redeemed?
Hardly, unless Weaver can also hit with an OPS over .800 and play every day.
First Angels Game: 09-04-1969
Proposed new nickname: WTM
Which stands for “Weaver The Mensch.”
Anyone who is as much of a gamer as he is, and who loves the Angels as much as he obviously does, is a mensch in my book.
You boys stick around--there'll be turkey and ice cream later!
I...um...errrr....Uhhh....
YES!
only happier in 2002!
Don't Blame ME! Tony Reagins Did it!
by IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon on Aug 22, 2011 1:54 AM PDT reply actions
I too am happy
But since 2002, this takes the cake.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
That made me smile.
Made us scream when it happened. The neighbors heard us, thought we were nuts, the ones who weren’t also watching the game.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
He'll still be WTY to me (for now anyway)...
…difficult to actually create a nickname on demand – they tend to emerge from the diarrhoeic ramblings of your assembled throng like little golden nuggets. It is through universal acclamation that they are born, rather than by request.
Give it time and someone will spout some half-thought through witticism that hits the right collective spot.
I see red people
by The Limey on Aug 22, 2011 2:03 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Hey 'Bug...
…do you still want that Dr Who stuff? Leaving for the Texas early Sept so if you want it, you’ll need to give me a list of what you want and I’ll fetch it over for you via Limey Mail
I see red people
probably not right now. but thanks for remembering! when are you going to be in CA?
I'm an Angels fan
Got a wedding in Texas first on the 10th...
…(Texas vs New Zealand – should be an interesting clash of cultures) but we’ll be in CA from about the 13th until the 27th. Mostly up the other end (wine and camping on the agenda), but aiming to be in Orange County for weekend of the Oakland series.
I see red people
Indeed she is...
…she’s seen the East Coast, time to show her the Glorious West. Assuming we both survive Texas.
I see red people
I agree with you and ladybug
It has to come about. I like WTY online and use Weave when I speak. I yell Dreamweaver when he does something sick…a name will come.
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I finally found the meaning of WTY, thanks.
hula dula da dominoes rula.
by DanishThunder on Aug 22, 2011 3:24 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That's how I pronounce it in my head,
even knowing its etymology. :)
"And that’s why to hell with the traffic, Diane, we’re staying until the end of the game, and that’s final." ~brokenyard, 8/18/11
I can't really express how happy this makes me as a fan
I didn’t put it in my FanPost becuse I thought Weaver would be Regular Boras Client and wind up Somewhere Else. Instead, the dude is an Angel for five more years. He WANTS to be an Angel AND he signs a fair deal?
Big kudos to the front office, Jered Weaver, and Scott Boras(?!!?!?!)
Being an Angels fan often means knowing your players kind of wish they were elsewhere sometimes. Anaheim’s not a bad place, but it doesn’t have the history, the legacy, of some other clubs. To know that the best player on the team wanted to stay here despite some recent offensive struggles that could really challenge a pitcher makes me proud to be an Angels fan. Sweep the head, Jered. Sweep the head.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
Our Future Outfield
Probably didn’t hurt matters during negotiations. Weaver, an extreme flyball pitcher, will have better lifetime numbers by the end of his career than if he’d gone anywhere else. Regardless of who the third outfielder ultimately turns out to be.
I’ve got to say, I really, really liked the guy before. I love him now. He’s restored my faith in multimillionaire baseball players. They’re not all money grubbers after all.
by Rock Island Line on Aug 22, 2011 6:13 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
You mention Weaver's fly ball tendencies. Excellent point.
Does Weaver want to play half his games in Yankee Stadium with the AL East propensity for LH power hitters? Hell no!
Does he want to play in Boston or Baltimore, Texas or Chicago for some of the same plus other reasons? Hell no.
Because of park dimemsions, he might want to play in San Diego, LADodgers, Oakland, or Seattle……but does he really? Hell no.
Does Weaver like opposing batters to admire their HRs hit off of him? HELL NO!
Anaheim is PERFECT for “Hell-No Weaver” in so many ways.
by wumbug on Aug 22, 2011 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oooh! Nickname alert???
Anaheim is PERFECT for "Hell-No Weaver" in so many ways.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Aug 22, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
You sound too much like that carrot-faced, sniveling blowhard John Boehner.
Hell NO!
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Aug 22, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm still stoked over Jerome Williams' win yesterday....
The timing of the “great” Jered Weaver news is thought provoking, but I’m otherwise not surprised by the contract. I was another who always said (that I thought) Weaver wasn’t going anywhere.
This comes out of left field, but recently I’ve been watching Weaver’s body language when TV cameras were on him in the dugout. It seemed different; it seemed that he was genuinely studying studying (interested in) the events occurring on the field. I didn’t see any of the Lackey WTF reactions; it was as if he were watching and pulling for his family. I recalled the press articles describing his attending his own arbitration hearings last winter: Quiet, watching, listening, learning.
For those who have been pooh-poohing the Angels organization, Weaver just said, “Screw you.”
Weaver, Haren, Santana, (Chatwood?, Richards?, Williams?, Bell?, Shoemaker?, Reckling?)……..I’m sure Scioscia & Co. will find two strong #4 and #5 starters out of that group……or someone else off the scrap heap.
It feels good to be an Angel today.
Wow, I'm totally ecstatic and dont know how anyone could vote only "Good News"
We now have some stability in the starting pitcher department out to 2013 at a price that didnt break the bank. Maybe it’s euphoria, but I’ve some new found respect for TR. (Will probably change my mind when Wells is in the lineup again Tuesday)
I live on the east coast and miss Cali everyday.
Rev, this description:
the humidity-strangled urban hellholes left over from the horse and buggy stenched days of the early industrial revolution.aptly describes this side of the country.
dissenter, dubious and devil's advocate to blog monitors everywhere.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Aug 22, 2011 8:14 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if the head shot to Avila had anything to do with this?
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
I was really pissed at WTY
for being suspended – because it was harmful to the team.
I have a really hard time letting go of grudges.
But, man oh man, I’m completely back on board as a WTY fan and no longer even a bit mad.
Can't help but think about Lackey...
and how he chose to leave for the East in the same situation.
"Bloody your hands on a cactus tree/
Wipe it on your dress and send it to me."
Lots of evidence that he was going to decline.
I think they had to offer him the $60MM/4 years because he was family. That he did not take it may have been an anticipated response….That was business.
In any business, somebody’s got to be thinking this way.
Lackey could have been the face of the Angels
which could have led to front office positions, broad casting, etc. As soon as the Red Sox are done with Lackey, they’ll throw him out like last nights chowder.
Weaver just set himself up to be THE Angles Ace indefinitely, that will carry into his post playing days.
"Bloody your hands on a cactus tree/
Wipe it on your dress and send it to me."
Good lord
That would have been one ugly face of the franchise.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Figuratively speaking, of course
restricting to radio, I would imagine. Although he doesn’t have a great voice either. Okay, so the guy is all around ugly.
"Bloody your hands on a cactus tree/
Wipe it on your dress and send it to me."
Imagine if we had signed Lackey
Might never have traded for Haren. Still probably would have gone out and traded for Wells. This team would be a complete disaster. We would be at least 10 games back, if not more.
by Brody on Aug 22, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Horacio Ramirez > Lackey
"Its like when i’m right…i’m right… and when i’m wrong…i could have been right..so i’m still right cause i could have been wrong"-Chevy Clarke's Twitter
Mathis>Lackey
Don’t know, don’t care. People that criticize can kiss my ass. I don’t give a shit
-Kobe Bryant
You want to make history you have to do historic things- Kobe Bryant
wooton > lackey
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
by DAD OF VLAD on Aug 22, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Woot!
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Ben Weber > Lackey
Them RecSpecs were sweet.
by BigKahunaMan on Aug 22, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I had a pair of RecSpecs for a while -- for a few years, I played pickup basketball at lunch... and I was blind without glasses
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Well, John Lackey is an arse..
…notwithstanding the fact that I feel desperately sorry for what he and his wife are going through at the moment, and that I’m grateful for what he did wearing red, but he acted like an arse leading up to the negotiations, called the Angels cheap during the negotiations and was a dick about it after he signed with Boston. Everything always seemed to be about Lackey, and less about the team – quite the opposite with WTY.
He’s not fit to lace Weavers boots.
I see red people
by The Limey on Aug 22, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lackey won Game 7 as a rookie...
That’s how I chose to remember him. Not the contract many years later. I’m glad he was on our team in ‘02 and I’m glad he’s gone now. Win/win.
I'll never forget Game 7
But I’ll also never forget his body language. He’s like a four year-old out there every time anyone else makes the slightest mistake. No one’s perfect, John.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
Right on
But I’ll also never forget his body language. He’s like a four year-old out there every time anyone else makes the slightest mistake. No one’s perfect, John.
That really irritated me. Not only did it look like shit, but it was counter-productive. I supported him and defended him until he left, but that attitude never sat well with me
this.
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
OH HAPPY DAY
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
by DAD OF VLAD on Aug 22, 2011 9:02 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Totally off topic for a second..
Which player was it that had dollar bills thrown at them while playing at the big A? I have to assume it was Tex right? Ha! So funny!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Aug 22, 2011 9:11 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
He said that? Too funny!!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Aug 22, 2011 9:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I believe Carl Crawford AND Torii Hunter have both received that treatment this year.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Aug 22, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah!! It was Carl!!
I don’t remember that happening with Torii. Was that at our stadium?
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Aug 22, 2011 9:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Torii was offered the dollars by a fan
when he returned the fan’s glasses, which had fallen off and onto the playing field in RF earlier this season. Is that what you’re thinking of?
First Angels Game: 09-04-1969
Aww I saw that, in N.Y. Right...
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Aug 22, 2011 10:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I was thinking about Carl Crawfish
At the big A… Only I didn’t remeber that it was in fact CC
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Aug 22, 2011 1:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes. The guy offered him a couple of bucks which was ridiculous/insulting.
He didn’t throw the money at Torii.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Trout & Conger playing, Weaver extended, Wells in a platoon.
Just voted the highest I have all year in the fan confidence poll. For the first time this year, I believe it’s possible to win the division.
AWB - Thank you, Arte.
What does this mean for 2012?
Unless Weaver’s contract escalates from season to season, his salary of $17 million for 2012 will be much greater than what anyone has projected. That means less spending power this offseason. In fact, assuming standard raises for Kendrick and Aybar, and optimistically assuming that the team will not tender Mathis a contract, we will have the following 20 players at an approximate cost of $120.4 million:
Vernon Wells, $21 million
Torii Hunter, $18 million
Jered Weaver, $17
Dan Haren, $12.75 million
Ervin Santana, $11.2 million
Bobby Abreu, $9 million
Scott Downs, $5 million
Howie Kendrick, $5 million (projected)
Erick Aybar, $4.5 million (projected)
Hisanori Takahashi, $4.2 million
Maicer Izturis, $3.8 million
Alberto Callaspo, $3 million
Kendrys Morales, $3 million (projected)
Peter Bourjos, $418,000
Tyler Chatwood, $418,000
Mark Trumbo, $418,000
Jordan Walden, $418,000
Mike Trout, $418,000
Bobby Wilson, $418,000
Hank Conger, $418,000
That leaves about $10 million to spend on five players — one starting pitcher, three relievers, and one other player. I predict that we will sign one late-inning reliever to go with Downs and to act as insurance in case Walden cannot hold the closer job next season. If Jerome Williams performs well down the stretch, we will sign him to a one or two-year contract. And that should take up all of the money. In other words, barring a trade of some kind, the extension of Weaver makes it even less likely, in my opinion, that the team will sign Fielder or Pujols or make any other “big splash” this offseason.
I know I keep saying it
But Arte really needs to see about a new TV deal this winter if it’s possible.
The team has, remarkably, returned to contender status largely due to some exciting young players and a stellar rotation that has just been solidified for at least the next few seasons. A cash infusion now could facilitate a big-name acquisition or two and put the Angels over the top going forward. The team has a powerful rival with its own stars and cash that guarantees a meaningful division race and potential postseason matchups over the next couple of seasons. This is all stuff that people will watch.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Aug 22, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Does our current deal with FSN
Even allow the team to negotiate a new television contract with another partner?
I think it was mentioned that they have an opt out clause
after this season, just like they did last year.
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN
by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 22, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I think they could just negotiate for a higher contract value with FSN
Also, there was some mention on here a while back that the Lakers were looking at the Angels as a partner for the network they created last winter. If the opt-out is real, Arte’s got a few options.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Aug 22, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Arte really needs to make that deal with the Lakers happen
if the Dodgers weren’t in such a mess I doubt the Halos would even be in the discussion, so hopefully they can take advantage of the Dodgers predicament and pair up with the most popular sports franchise in SoCal.
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN
by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 22, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
This would be great
If there ever is NBA basketball again.
haha, true
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN
by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 22, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Williams
For all of his travels, he only had 3 years of MLB service time accrued entering 2011. So if he pitches well down the stretch, Angels will control his rights as an arbitration eligible player. There’s just not enough recent major league track record there for him to build a big dollar case.
If he pitches well enough that the Angels want to keep him, Williams will be cheap (probably 1-2 million tops) for 2012.
"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.
by RallyMonkey5 on Aug 22, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Where's Mathis on here?
Unless you are assuming us DFA-ing him. That’s another 2 million and a spot.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Truly an awesome day
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must." ~ Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
Angels 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 14-10
by blast21dave on Aug 22, 2011 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
West Coast Bias
I blame Neyer and Sullivan
by Rev Halofan on Aug 22, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you Jered.
Climbing the all time Angel ranks and my favorite player ranks as well. Glad he is going to be here for the long term and I do not have to worry about him leaving anymore.
That being said, I do not give any credit to Reagins for this extension. The money, the no trade clause and the fact he did not hit free agency all indicate otherwise. All Weaver.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
by hauldog on Aug 22, 2011 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Speaking of all time Angel ranks
Can we please do something about having Lackey ranked ahead of Percy? That sickens me.
Not even in the slightest.
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
How do you know?
I don’t know if he is or isn’t. I suspect you don’t either.
Unless there is something you aren’t telling us Anthony…errr… bigtizz. :}
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Aug 22, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh?
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
source?
23 million dollar pinch runner says you’re wrong.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 22, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
100 million dollar value for guys making 400k a piece
says he’s right.
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
you really have a knack for seeing things the way you want to perceive them
one could also say the $400k value for a guy making $23 million this season says he’s wrong
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN
by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 22, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd back up my dad also, even if he was responsible for giving fernando rodney a contract.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 22, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Hello?
you really have a knack for seeing things the way you want to perceive them
Um, do you read HH? We are all doing that, lol.
The problem is that people don’t take the time to learn about the organization before they talk shit. Arte has said they are a horizontal organization. If anything, he blames himself as much for the busted signing. At the end of the day, this is another win for the organization and another drop kick to the nuts to the peanut gallery. The same fools who said VW’s contract prevented us from being able to resign Weaver are the one’s who keep spinning lies even though NONE of anything they’ve said has proven true. Not one thing.
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
who is spinning lies?
we’re all giving our opinions, like you said. it just seems to me the more I read your comments that you see things in a certain way and do a pretty spectacular job of rosying things up in order for you to convince yourself of what its pretty clear you want to believe (that Reagins is a good GM and doing a hell of a job).
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN
by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 22, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
The hysteria about the financing was, well, hysterical nonsense
I agree with you that it never made sense that trading for Wells would prevent the team from extending Weaver long-term. One had nothing to do with the other, and I said so repeatedly at the time. At the same time, it is not fair to say that the haters of the trade have not been proven true with regard to “anything they’ve said.” Their analysis of the trade has been proven true — Napoli is doing very well, and Wells sucks. So be it.
Yeah
I’m not talking about predictions. I don’t know too many people who loved the trade or anyone who thought Napoli would suck. I’m talking about the inside baseball talk in regards to the organization. That hysteria was no small talk, it anchored a huge argument/debate. People following it believed the hype and agreed with its conclusion because Weaver is that important. I’m not hating on the opinions or predictions, just the so-called experts who have continuously been proven wrong about this organization.
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
400K value from Wells?
You’re being far too kind. Vernon should be paying Arte.
I know
I was just trying to make a point
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN
by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 22, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
If VW had any shame and/or honor, he'd do a Lyman Bostock and donate most of his salary to charity.
The only reasons Bostock didn’t return the salary were
1. Autry wouldn’t permit it
2. I believe the union wouldn’t permit it.
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
He does give a lot to charity
For what that is worth. I think, by all accounts, VW is a really good guy. Unfortunately, he has been really terrible at playing baseball this season.
That was part of the Blue Jays tribute in Toronto a few weeks ago
The Jays kicked in some money to a foundation run by Wells and his wife, which has been involved in providing services for underprivileged single mothers and their children, in the greater Toronto area.
I don’t pretend to know how much of his salary goes to the foundation, but all indications from Toronto is that the guy is very hands-on with the foundation and in being the public face for its efforts—it isn’t something run by others just to make Wells look good.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
by George Kaplan on Aug 22, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, that would tell me eddie bane is right.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 22, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Fine.
But he’s gone. Keep trying to make people think that Eddie bane was responsible for those guys, made the call, is the reason we have those guys, and TR fired him out of no where and Arte approved it. Your campaign to make the readers of HH dumber and misinformed (which is why news like this comes as such a surprise to them) continues to be stifled by a class organization that know whats up.
Yeah, Eddie Bane is right, lol.
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
All I have to go on is Bane saying that TR wasn't too happy with the past several drafts.
But yeah, I’ll keep launching my proxy campaign to destroy your favorite GM.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 22, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Bane is a liar and a crook.
Good luck with your campaign…
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
wow, those are some serious allegations
thanks for posting the link supporting your allegations. oh wait, you didn’t.
were you including yourself when you just said this?
the one’s who keep spinning lies even though NONE of anything they’ve said has proven true. Not one thing.
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN
by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 22, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
A liar and a crook huh?
It certainly did not take long for that liar/crook to get a new gig.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
nobody calls out Reagins publicly without getting tizz'd
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN
by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 22, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
wait for the klansmen reference... waiiiit for it... waiiiit for it...
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 22, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
wow
TIZ pulls out the namecalling card, goes down little baby style faster than Ben Roethlisberger against the Packers.
by Rev Halofan on Aug 22, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Well you see where it led.
Per the warning I received I decided it best to let it go. Plus, the Bane dealio was hashed in a previous thread. A Tiz laydown is rare, but can be a good thing at times…this is one of them.
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Just out yourself
I really want to know if there really is a GOD … Santa Clause … Tooth Fairy
You try to take a stance on every FanShot/FanPost, and nit pick until you tire everyone out. You should really slim down your portfolio of rants. That way you might actually have a fighting chance be interesting be a valid competitor …
Please, no direct attacks.
I don’t comment on every fanshot nor am I nitpicking. Trying to earn props personally attacking me because you don’t like my opinion old and stale. You don’t referee this blog, if you don’t have an opinion roll out.
Everyone knows the issues I have strong opinions on and which I comment. You do have the option of ignoring me, but you f*k with me at your own choice…
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
there is only one TIZ
Could a blog handle two? Stop right there, that was a rhetorical question.
by Rev Halofan on Aug 22, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Rev, do you get compensation for your sage-like ability?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 22, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow.
Sadly on point. Damn.
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry, my bad
and what is the going rate for props at the moment?
And this is a battle that you started before, so don’t try to end it so easily.
You attack any post with all of your knowledge, and claim if as fact.
Well … show me the TizzFacts. That’s all I want. If you have real credentials you can email them to me, and I will keep them private. But you could say you are anybody. Being this is the Internets.
Yeah
Baseball players don’t think that way. Most of the people in that lineup have proven they have the ability to hurt you. They’re not doing that right now, but if ballers thought like that they’d be fat sitting behind a keyboard. In the real world, even Maffy had 2 home runs. I know you want sports to use your way of thinking but that will never happen dude…ever.
“Keep pushing for us.” Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 20, 2011 8:54 PM HST up reply actions
and if I took that comment out of context. Sorry my too bad.
Well actually it was you who asked me to end it so I honored that request.
Pitchers don’t look at major league clubs and deem them less stressful. If anything, a team that hacks and bunts and runs causes more stress on a pitcher as the likelihood of bullshit hits, infield hits, and bunt singles is high. That seems a more appropriate application of “stress” than the one you were suggesting, which seems more fictional than real. You asked if I participated in organized sports and i have. But that’s not really the point.
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
And I think that TR's view, if that is his view, is defensible
The pick of Trout in 2009 was a coup, and we have some young guys who are now making real contributions in the lineup — Trumbo (18th rounder from 2004), Bourjos (10th rounder from 2005), and Conger (1st rounder from 2006). I am not sure whether this can be considered good or not over that several-year span of time.
In any event, TR’s alleged comment referred to Bane’s last several drafts, not to his earlier ones. And if you look at Bane’s last draft, in 2010, he had five picks in the top 40, which should yield an incredible haul. With those 5 picks, the Angels got Kaleb Cowart at #18, Cam Bedrosian at #29, Chevy Clarke at #30, Taylor Lindsey at #37, and Ryan Bolden at #40.
Lindsey is playing like a monster in rookie ball (.374/.407/.644), and Cowart also is having a a reasonably good year there (.296/.355/.453). On the other hand, Clarke is struggling badly in rookie ball (.216/.277/.419), and Bolden has been awfu therel thus far (.149/.240/.195). Bedrosian also has been a total disaster. He made only 5 appearances in 2010, going 0-2 with a 4.50 ERA and a 1.67 WHIP, and then he had Tommy John surgery. He has not pitched since.
I do not have sufficient knowledge of minor league baseball to be able to judge Eddie Bane’s most recent drafts or his overall performance. I can say, however, that it is not unreasonable on its face to claim that the team should have come away with more than it got out of the 2010 bonanza of first-round picks.
I really doubt it
First, Reagins does not act on his own in making mega-decisions, and there is no reason to believe that he acted on his own in trading for Wells. Arte and Soth almost certainly were in on it with Reagins, if not driving the move in the first place. In fact, Arte, not Reagins, promised to do whatever it takes to upgrade the team prior to the trade, and he beamed for the cameras while locked arm in arm with Wells when the trade went through.
Second, Arte is not a hatchet man. He runs his business like a family, not like Steinbrenner’s Yankees of the 1980s. Third, even if it were true that Reagins acted alone in trading for Wells (which is implausible), GMs make mistakes all the time. I see constant pleas here to replace Reagins with Cashman. I could make a list of 20 absolutely awful contracts that Cashman signed during the past decade. Epstein also is not without flaws.
There is just no evidence whatsoever that Arte is or ever was considering firing Reagins.
by Brody on Aug 22, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
like a family.
do you think ned bergert still gets christmas cards?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 22, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Arte is loyal as hell to Tony Reagins
Tony is going nowhere. Tony is on the pregame field for every goofy ceremony / awarding of clump of game-used grass in cut crystal vase that the team has. Prominent member of the front office.
by Rev Halofan on Aug 22, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Arte enjoys watching the fresh Prince of Bel Air
One day he’ll get up the nerve to ask Alberto for an autograph, and be totally surprised by the truth.
Alfonso, but still very funny.
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Aug 22, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Great to see someone sticking with the home team.
I agree that the upcoming talent made him stay. Jered is HOMEBOY!
Cowabunga, Duuude!
This is a great day for anyone who isn't a Red Sawx or yanquis fan!
Congrats Angels fans!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
あなたが深淵に長い間熟視場合、深淵はあなたにも眼差し。 -Nishi
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Aug 22, 2011 10:38 AM PDT reply actions
Home town--freakin--Hero
thank you Weave for pullin a Lackey/Tex/everyone else that has left us. Hope to see many more 36 jerseys in the stands. Now, tell Boras to “F” off.
Angels Baseball--"A collusion of one"-Sam Miller
by autry's cowboys on Aug 22, 2011 10:40 AM PDT reply actions
My new favorite part about this:
The crying and nay-saying of NYY fans on MLBTR.
Now that Weaver will not be wearing pinstripes and stepping in as #2 behind CC, he’s “no better than AJ Burnett” and “could not survive in the ‘big, tough, scary’ AL East.” Bunch of bitter little biatches.
Keep it up, Jerseyites.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Aug 22, 2011 10:51 AM PDT reply actions
East Coast Batters vs West Coast Pitchers
…for all of their bitching about whether or not a pitcher like WTY could survive out there with their tiny wimpy little ball parks, you could make the same complaint about their batters.
Afraid as they consistently are of having to hit in a park that suppresses power hitters, they run a mile when faced with the opportunity. Those guys who have grown up in these tiny little ball parks would look half the player if they had to play their games in a Petco or Safeco, Dodger stadium or the Big A.
I see red people
Weavers signing had nothing to do with TR.
He wanted to be an Angel so he signed with the Angels. (The timing of all this may be as motivation for the rest of the season.
He knows he has the ultimate respect here. (When he is pitching, the game is his)
He wants to continue smoking his legal CA medicine. (Can’t get away with alot in NY)
Actually
It takes two sides to negotiate a contract. Weaver can tell his agent that he wants to stay with the Angels, which I am sure he did. I guarantee you, however, that neither Weaver nor Boras walked up to TR or Arte and said: “Weaver really wants to stay here, so we are going to give you an enormous hometown discount to keep him.” The two sides have been negotiating since last offseason. Boras no doubt tried to get as much out of the Angels as he could, using all kinds of comps to argue in favor of a higher salary. That the Angels got Weaver signed to a team-friendly 5-year, $85 million deal is a credit to the Angels and to whomever handled the negotiations on their behalf.
When someone steps to the table and is willing to leave a lot of money on it
I credit them for making the contract happen.
How is this a credit to Tony? Weaver clearly wanted this. It cost him A LOT of jack.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
Here is how
Tony could have said to Arte: “Look what happened to Lackey, take 2012 from the kid and cut your losses, we will get two picks like we did when we got Trout.” And Arte would have said “You da man Tony, Sayonara Dudeski.”
by Rev Halofan on Aug 22, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Not buying that
The Angels clearly wanted Weaver back. Weaver told Borass to make it happen so it did.
He left a lot of jack on the table. A chimp could have negotiated this for the Angels
I'd like to DFA Reagins
CLEARLY?
They clearly wanted Lackey, Figgins, Napoli, Percival and anyone else Joe Fan loved right up until the minute they ended the relationship.
by Rev Halofan on Aug 22, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I do not think they wanted any of those players at the price
Their guesses at cost/market value were accurate and they let them walk.
Weaver signed for a bargain. It was a steal.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
We don't really know how much money Weaver is leaving on the table
If Weaver was so desperate to sign at a bargain rate, he would have signed last January, and the two sides never would have gone to arbitration. He didn’t.
As has been pointed out already, even though this is a great deal for the Angels, it also is a very good deal for Weaver. He is getting a significant amount of money — more than Lackey did as a free agent — even though he had a full year of arbitration left. He also has a full no-trade clause, and he will be a free agent at age 33. This is the sort of win-win that you expect to result from negotiations.
It did not have to end this way. Pujols, for example, said that he wanted to play his entire career in St. Louis. Two months away from being a free agent, he still does not have a deal. The same could have happened here.
Thankfully, the Angels found a way to make Weaver happy. Any other fan base under identical circumstances would be praising both the player and management right now. And if we want to get specific about who in management deserves that credit, it is TR. As the article I linked above reflects, Arte does not deal with Boras directly. Only TR and people working under TR do. So yeah, I think TR deserves some props.
by Brody on Aug 22, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can tell you exactly how much money he left on the table
Start at CC Sabathia’s contract. At minimum 6 million a year.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
Maybe he would have gotten CC's contract
Maybe he wouldn’t have. That is the largest contract in history for a pitcher. One of Weaver’s 5 years was an arbitration year. That is different than a free agency year. Weaver is getting more money next year than he could have gotten in arbitration. Weaver’s closer comps — Verlander and Hernandez — both signed 5-year deals for $80 million and $78 million, respectively. Sure, they had nearly one extra year of arbitration, and Weaver’s higher compensation reflects that.
Also, Weaver/Boras likely were the ones to request a 5-year (rather than a 7-year deal). With a 5-year deal, Weaver will have a chance to enter free agency at age 33, when he will still be marketable. If he signed a 7-year deal now, it would run until he was 35 and far less likely to get another big payday. This has been mentioned above.
Boras' game plan says go to free agency
He does not advise his clients to sign early. They advise him to get them signed early.
I'd like to DFA Reagins
Prolly cost Weaver upwards of $40M
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 22, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
If Boras is in complete control when negotiating with all the main players.
Chances are, he completely owns TR. Boras knew what he wanted, and he got it. TR was just playing within the guildlines that Boras/Weaver set.
by King Weaver on Aug 22, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean
Like Boras owned Stoneman during the negotiations in 2004, or like he owned TR last year during the arbitration hearings. Your speculation is obviously based in fact and of great value to me.
Laughing
Stoneman won a unilateral negotiation. No other team could negotiate he was Angel property. Terrible example
Find me one instance (aside from weaver) that the Angels have done well negotiating with Boras? All I remeber is Moreno crying after each negotiation
I'd like to DFA Reagins
Im sorry, did I say that TR could never be right? or do a good job?
No. I’m simply stating that I believe this one has more to do with Weaver, than TR. Get off that high horse Brody.
by King Weaver on Aug 22, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
High horse?
You are the one making statements based on your own pure speculation that Boras “completely owns TR.” No cite to anything to support it. It is not my job to disprove every ridiculous comment that every poster makes. Suffice it to say, the arbitration hearing last year and the actual terms of this contract both reflect that your statement is, at the very least, over-stated.
I didnt say anything based on fact, and never claimed to.
Boras commands respect and he is the best at what he does. I find it hard to believe that Reagins took him for anything else than he was prepared to settle for.
by King Weaver on Aug 22, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
No one is saying that Boras got had
I agree with you that Boras is the best at what he does. With many of his deals, the team gets hosed. That did not happen here. It is a credit to TR that the Angels got a good deal. It shouldn’t be that hard to see this.
I agree.
The Angels (TR included) deserve recognition on this deal. However, I think it’s more important to the game to give credit where credit is due. Weave, Verlander and Felix have all signed team friendly contracts earlier than they needed to. I love this trend and I have new respect for all those guys. Weaver made a personal choice to come back, and I think this deserves more credit than TR getting what 2 other similiar pitchers recieved. This deal was already made by the Mariners and the Tigers.
by King Weaver on Aug 22, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree that TR does not deserve the "credit" for this..
Here you say it all:
Weaver made a personal choice to come back, and I think this deserves more credit than TR getting what 2 other similar pitchers recieved (sic) "
At any rate.
Weaver is my favortie Angel, and will continue to be until this amazing 5 year contract runs out. Someone posted earlier, that we are getting a leader and a fierce competitor, and I completely agree. He is scary competitive on the mound and I would back this dude any day of the week. Throw in the fact that he values team loyalty, and you have a great reason to be an Angel fan.
I hope that those of you who for years stated as fact that this would never happen....
… are feeling a bit less omniscient and a bit more humble today.
Also, this has been the greatest 3-day stretch in Angeldom since I really can’t remember.
by mattwelch on Aug 22, 2011 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Since late Spetember 2004
or Late October 2002
by Rev Halofan on Aug 22, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
The 3-day stretch in October 2009
OK, it was 4 days, but winning those 3 games against the Red Sox … that was an incredible string of days.
Those were some salad days, for sure.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Aug 22, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I posted the link to it above, but I’ll throw it down here.
Just gives me a reason to watch it again.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Thank you for posting that
I really enjoyed watching it.
I watched that one live while at work.
My first reaction was that it was going to caught. I miss Vlad
by King Weaver on Aug 22, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn! Abreu was svelte just two short years ago.
That added 15+ pounds hurt.
:(
R.I.P. Rory
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
by vlad IS my man on Aug 22, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha The Slap Heard Around the World!!
After Bobby scores, he tries to double high five Figgy and misses… :|
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Aug 22, 2011 2:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
WHY TWO TEES
What happened to your initial account? Did you see you are co-author of our Top-50 Angels Book? Where you been JACK?
New computer. Had to re-register. Or is there another way to do that?
I tried several times to sign in with my old user name and password but was a no go. I thought maybe SB Nation banned me because I wrote some unkind words about David Stern, the NBA office and ref favoritism towards Kobe and the Lake Show.
Good to be backk.
Wow, how often do we say that around here?
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Aug 22, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
posting some dancing gifs now
I take it you don't have the DOV Secret Decoder Ring
You need to drink more ovaltine
-Quad Fin Rider
by DAD OF VLAD on Aug 22, 2011 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We need the Rally Raaddad dancing GIF now
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
Hahaha...for me, the funniest part of this is the split second you see Zoe Necrosis. He's going nuts.
"Lose your pants and only good things can happen."-MayhemInTheHood
by Mayheminthehood on Aug 22, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't remember much of that stuff from last year
But damn it was a good meetup at the ballpark. Being up a lot to a little also a nice plus.
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must." ~ Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
Angels 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 14-10
^^this^^ would be Lebowski if he had been into baseball instead of bowling
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN
by 2pintsofbooze on Aug 22, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh Snap!
Rally Raadad is on the loose!
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must." ~ Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
Angels 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 14-10
When did Gary Busey
become an Angels fan?
by turs12 on Aug 22, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really don't see how it's a great day for Boras ...
lots less commission. Weave would’ve gotten Sabathia-money. Wonder if Boras will cut Weaver as a client – makes Boras look like a pansy pushover:
“Ha! Outsmarted by Reagins? You must be a dumb-ass!”
I am still astonished that this happened. Glad to have Weaver on our team for another 5 years! Woo hoo!
I love this team.
If Weaver would have gone to arbitration,
would Boras have gotten any money?
All he would have done is give a number, and have someone else decide the fate of the amount.
What I have been reading about when the contract expires, and Weavers age at that time, makes a lot of sense. The way contracts are being written out now. Weave might get a seven year contract the next time. Maybe not, but another five for $85MIL wouldn’t be out of the question. And then Boras makes out. Plus this might help him with the Angels in the future in getting the halos to extend this contract in three/four seasons of Cy Young’s.
I honestly think Weaver AND HIS FAMILY were calling the shots here,
using their knowledge of what they perceived Moreno was willing to do.
The only other Boras client I’ve recognized as being vocal about WHO employed whom, was Jarrod Washburn.
I'm feel this way too
Jeff probably had a lot of input. With all his travels around the Majors.
Fiance prob wanted to stay.
Boras don’t have much say, but he also might be thing in the long term. Being that he had such a great influence in the original signing of Jered by the Halos. They just might be more then money friends (speculation).
Was also thinking. What type of outside opportunities will Jered have in the greater Western Pacific area? He could be the break through that the West Coast sponsors would like.
Did you or anyone else here notice a bit of bitterness still felt by Jarrod when he was in the TV Box with Rojas and Gubbie?
There’s no doubt he wanted to remain with the Angels for the duration.
he meant washburn, as he was just in the booth the other night
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 22, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn't listen to much
Wash’s voice was on the low side, and I’ll admit to not paying attention to the interviews that much.
Bad things happen during them.
CarGo did the same thing
Boras followed the wishes of his client. Not sure how that makes him look like a pansy.
He probably wouldn’t put this on his highlight reel though
I'd like to DFA Reagins
Tex signed where he wanted too...
These guys want money,they’re in control. As fans we wish all players had a little Cliff Lee in them! Weav does!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Aug 22, 2011 2:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Still riding that high into Monday afternoon
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must." ~ Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
Angels 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 14-10
Pretty much THIS
minus the cup of coffee in my hand… I don’t drink coffee.
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must." ~ Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
Angels 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 14-10
Close Enough
and how in the f#$% did you know I have a bottle of Wild Turkey 101 in my possession?
Get outta my head!
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must." ~ Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
Angels 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 14-10
My faith has been renewed
Didn’t think I’d be saying that last Thursday morning, but here we are with the past week’s major shakeup in the OF and 4 game winning streak capped off with a grand slam — an improbable one at that, at least in my mind. I was one of the many preparing for the Weaver Farewell Tour 2012.
This may or may not have been a win-win situation all around, but I have to give Jered Weaver a standing ovation for doing us Angels fans proud and making us the definite winners out of all of this. Very happy to be a Halo fan today and look forward to many more years of Weaver kicking ass in Anaheim!
by Big Easy Halofan on Aug 22, 2011 2:15 PM PDT reply actions
This calls for dancing in the streets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdvITn5cAVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y-x2fWKbmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CAHDI_vkSs
I think I’ll dance in front of my house for a while.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Well, now...........
There’s nothing like the original #1.
However, I’m into the second half of a bottle of cab now, so I was forced to turn up the speakers by the time I got to #3.
No sense in ruining a good party……………What?……….It’s raining?
I live just outside Seattle these days.
But I’ll be in SoCal from Thursday through the following Friday.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
So ARE the Angels in financial trouble? Apparently not.
Actions speak louder than words. And the actions here speak to an underlying truth that there was enough financial flexibility and long range planning in place to allow the franchise to absorb another $85 million. That’s more coin that I got.
Sure, Weaver gave us a home-town discount and saved Arte anywhere from $20 – $40 million. But arb raises are gonna suck that up anyway. Wells remains a mistake, and will keep this team upside down as far as value for dollar unless he gets gobsmacked by a heavy dose of Wilie Mays Pixie Dust. But at least it appears that his damage to the bottom line was not as fatal as it could have been.
Jered Weaver just brought a breath of fresh air back into the franchise. We can all take a deep sigh of relief. We have an anchor, a leader, backbone and tenacity, 3 to 5 years more of competitive promise, AND financial stability. Plus we get there while bypassing the highway robbery of Scott Boras. And much of that outlook can be laid at the feet of Jered – The Weaver of Ahhs.
Against stupidity the very Gods themselves toil in vain.
by Stirrups on Aug 22, 2011 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
NIce.
"Keep pushing for us." Ervin Santana after NO-HITTER (July 27, 2011)
by thebigtizzle on Aug 22, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe the Angels were always prepared to pay CCrawford $70MM-85MM with Jered's extension still in place.
The fact that CCrawford turned into Vernon Wells is just a part of doing business. Certainly they could have foregone the VWells deal in order to save money, but the money was already budgeted. So, like the vast majority of undiciplined, know-it-all quasi-executive managers, they spend the money because that’s what undiciplined, know-it-all quasi-executive managers do so they don’t lose the money in next year’s budget, or have to explain why they didn’t spend it.
My point is that I believe all this money was already budgeted to be spent. There is or was no “financial trouble” unless incoming revenues fail to meet expectations. With the economy we’ve experienced the last couple of years, I can’t fathom the fact that “worst case scenarios” weren’t anticipated, and factored into the budget which I believe included Crawford/Wells money plus that to be paid to Weaver.
Rec'd for this alone
gobsmacked by a heavy dose of Wilie Mays Pixie Dust
One can fake a smile, a sneeze, an orgasm or a heart attack, but good prose can’t be faked.
Bless you.
"The contract is brought up a lot. What it's going to take to get past it is winning. This organization took on the contract. I'm here to make them look good."~Vernon Wells
Mainstream Media Amensia
This is NOT the 1st time the Angels have locked up later years at a discount in exchange for arbitration….They did so in the 90s with Garret Anderson, Tim Salmon, etc….Stoneman was also praised for doing so in the early “double-zeros” (yes, everyone, it is a zero, not an “0”), in fact, the Cleveland Indians under Mark Shapiro were one of the 1st to use this model to build a team.
Just because we didn’t back the BRINKS truck up on Lackey’s front lawn DOESN"T mean that we’re a financially hamstrung team like the Kansas City Royals.
Looks like the Halos were only going to sign Lackey on their own terms
They might have been getting tired of his football player turned baseball Prima Donna antics.
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