Jeff Mathis Meltdown Allows 5 Runs to Anemic A's
by Rev Halofan on Sep 12, 2011 10:03 PM PDT
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Final Score in Oakland: Athletics 6, Angels 3
If the Angels are going to trot out the worst player in baseball because of his alleged skills at handling pitchers, framing pitches and calling games from behind the plate, they will have to live with the shame of putting the season in the hands of a gutless incompetent instead of just lamenting a lousy start by their lousiest pitching option late in the season.
Joel Pineiro looked like the worst pitcher on Earth with catching hack Jeff Mathis unable to make any of his flat, lifeless pitches look even close to being a framed strike. Imagine how good Jered Weaver and Dan Haren would be if someone else was behind the plate assisting them to the next level of greatness instead Mathis parasiting their greatness into fooling the likes of Mike Scioscia and the garbage-penned Spencer. JP gave up two walks and a HR in the first inning and that set the depressing tone for the game.
In the top of the 4th inning, down 3-1, Howie Kendrick singled and Torii Hunter doubled to lead off the inning. 2b and 3B, 0 outs and a Mark Trumbo strikeout, a pathetic Vernon Wells short flyout and Mike Trout fly to CF underscored just how worn out the good guys are after overachieving for two months, how selfish Wells is to not just roll a groundball to the left and take the Ribby and how neither Trumbo nor Trout in '12 will be rookies of the year with Mickey Hatcher tweaking their swings. The 9/10ths empty Oakland whatever it is named this month Colisseum has been their Achilles heel this season as much or more than the 100 degree nights that the Texas Rangers are cursed with.
Halos are 3 back with 15 to play. Heatstrokage have 14 games left.
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Agree on Jeffy Premium catching Pineiro
This start had failure written all over it.
I blame Jeffy for this.
Bigger blame goes to the Angels for not taking care of business within their own division.
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must." ~ Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
Angels 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 17-11
Live by the CERA
die by the CERA.
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must." ~ Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
Angels 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 17-11
by blast21dave on Sep 12, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Playing the worst player in the history of the game is a direct contributor to losses.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
when hank caught him he had his best outing of the season
Are you sure he was safe? It looked like an out to the entire statium. Well bad call Blue.
by Alavel on Sep 12, 2011 10:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
exactly
I belive that was against the mariners, a simalar offence
"id take 5th Dimention Wormhole Rivera over Wells any day of the week"
-clover_black
by the king of CERA on Sep 13, 2011 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
That makes sense
Having a battery of two guys trying hard to do good, and impress, their teammates and coaches. That is better then having a struggling pitcher that can’t remember, and a catcher that doesn’t seem to know that he is really bad and hurting the staff by calling games badly for the pitchers that need his help the most.
Besides Weave, and maybe Haren, the staff always has mad, confused, look on their faces while Mathis is behind the plate. It’s like he calls the game the same for every pitcher. The problem is, not every guy on the staff is an ace like Weaver.
all of the above
Plus Wells not knowing how to advance a runner. Gettin sick of his schtick.
I love this team.
but but but he hit yet another meaningless dinger!!!
i wonder if theres a stat for meaningless HRs….and if their is i bet he leads that
Bieber Fever? No! I got Weaver Fever!!!!
He also leads
In cheap, off the end of the bat flare hits
Mark Trumbo
needs to get his act together.
by Halowitz on Sep 12, 2011 10:07 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
This
Trumbo has been abysmal at the plate the last two games.
Trout has been almost as bad.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Yep, let's blame the rookies that have kept us above water for so long, but now are struggling.
This guarantees us more Jeff Mathis and Vernon Wells next year.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
Call a spade a spade - it doesn't matter who it is
Trumbo and Trout have looked terrible at the plate the last two games, save for Trout’s line drive that he hit right to the center fielder last night. Otherwise, their ABs have been incredibly unproductive when they had very good opportunities to change the game.
Trumbo has been fine most of this year and so has Trout. But we are talking about LAST NIGHT. This isn’t “the season in review” thread.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I usually call spades "shovels"
But I guess there is technically a difference between the two things.
Which is it?
“But we are talking about LAST NIGHT”
or
“Trumbo and Trout have looked terrible at the plate the last two games”
Just kidding, I get your point. I will object to this kind of talk in the season in review thread, though.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
That's fine
I mean, I agree with you – Wells and Abreu should not be playing over Trout. Trumbo has been a pleasant surprise, although his hackiness has been trouble at times, just more pronounced lately.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Yeah, Trumbo's hackiness does put into question his ability to perform over the long-term.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
The rooks are killing
But if we lose because we are playing them, I can live with it – I cant live with losing with the pathetic vets stinking it up
The rookies are what kept us in it and gave us hope
Along with our Big 3 starters. At the beginning of the season, Abreau, Hunter and Wells were supposed to carry the offense; but, they have all been inconsistent and/or under-performed…again. If we don’t make the playoffs, this season will be known as the infamous “Wells-for-Napoli bust.” Shoulda got rid of Mathis long ago. Hoping Soth doesn’t ruin Conger.
I feel conflicted.
Our record is better than I thought it would be, yet it feels like they have underperformed. Is that even possible?
My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Bill Baxley, Attorney General
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Sep 12, 2011 10:12 PM PDT reply actions
I think most of us feel that way. The hitting all season, especially with RISP, has been spotty at best
Take away Weaver, Haren and Santana pulling out wins despite very low run support, and we are way out of it a long time ago. The offensive side of this team is what makes it feel like we should be at or below .500.
I wonder how many times we loaded the bases and failed to score this season. Is there is a record for that?
by Hoppity Hooper on Sep 13, 2011 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Mathis: The poster child of gutless incompetents
leading the charge for this gutless team.
Only 2 things come from Texas, and I don't see any horns.
by Halo Hurricane on Sep 12, 2011 10:18 PM PDT reply actions
Trumbo is really starting to tail off.
His lack of plate discipline is really starting to catch up with him.
Now that Lackey has turned to the enemy lets kick his ass
by Angelsrthebest101 on Sep 12, 2011 10:20 PM PDT reply actions
How many times can Mota possibly
Tell us hopefully DUB has found his swing before his head explodes?
Pineiro, get off our team.
Chatwood, you look sexy in the nurse’s uniform and I like you and know you are a rookie but you suck too.
Thanks for the home run Wells, but you never hit when it matters.
When is the rest of the offense going to wake up and realize we are in a pennant race?
You know how many games back of the Rangers we are? Less than the difference in WAR between Mathis and Napoli. How does that make you feel as a fan?
"It's our money," owner Arte Moreno said.
I still don't understand why Conger didn't start in this game
He has handled Piniero well in his last two games. And the first time he goes back to Mathis he plays like shit again.
What was that thing about Mathis’ magical pitcher handling skills again???
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Sep 12, 2011 10:25 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
LMAO
"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca
by migfig on Sep 12, 2011 10:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Sep 12, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
My life is now complete!!
"Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in" -George Costanza
by Howie's Batting Title on Sep 13, 2011 9:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Vernon's meaningless solo homers and strikeouts with RISP almost make me feel like Mike Napoli never left
by Suboptimal on Sep 12, 2011 10:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I like the reverse psychology of it all…
by Rev Halofan on Sep 12, 2011 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I get what you are saying, but that was when Napoli played for Mike I-don't-like-you Scioscia and was coached by Mickey "the Hatchet" Hatcher.
This year Naps’ average with RISP is .373; Wells’ average is .255.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
Naps also had the second most HRs with runners on base last year for us.
And Trumbo only has one more HR with runners on base this year than Napoli did last year.
Reputations don’t always match performance. And yes, F Hatcher.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
I agree with a few posters up top
conger needs to catch pinata. or conger needs to start period
conger > mathis
How many times can you make the same stupid joke?
| mumble ¦ mumble ¦ Mathis ¦ mumble ¦ mumble ¦ Hatcher ¦ mumble |
It's not a stupid joke, it's a sad one.
And the team is playing it on us.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
It does seem to have his fingerprints on it
Does he take a “if it ain’t broke, break it” approach to the hitters? “Yeah, you’ve been doing really good, but here… I want you to change this and do that differently, because it’s how I was taught”.
by Hoppity Hooper on Sep 13, 2011 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Trumbo's been this same guy all season (and career)
Hack at everything, hope his bat runs into something and it goes a long way.
Trout looks like he’s pressing to me. I guess it’s possible that has something to do with Hatcher, but more likely it’s just a 20 year old at the end of a long season in a pennant race trying to do too much.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Well....
Hatcher has completely changed Trout’s stance since first being called up.
by Howie the Halo on Sep 13, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lowered his hands too, I thought.
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
He sould get VW, old slow and clueless, to lower his hands. Not the young guys with the bat speed, and good vision.
Maybe their pitch selection isn’t the greatest. But calling plays when they are in the box isn’t good either. The rooks should be told one of two things on every pitch.
1) Take
2) Swing to make contact if it is something you think you can handle
Is that true?
I’m honestly asking – do you have a link somewhere that talks about it?
Also, if he changed his stance, it certainly worked fine for awhile, so I still don’t think it’s accurate to blame this on Hatcher.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Umm
Then the Angels need to start changing stances when the guys are in the minor leagues. It’s ridiculous to ask a guy to make drastic changes at the ML level especially when they’re young. I have no idea why Hatcher has to mess with young guys just because they get off to a slow start after 40 AB’s. Hatcher did the same thing with Wood and it didn’t turn out too well. I remember hearing Hatcher say he was told to leave Trout alone, but he still couldn’t help himself.
by Howie the Halo on Sep 13, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Did he drastically change his stance?
I’m still honestly asking…where did you see this? I’d be interested to read about it.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Angels.
A google search for [“mickey hatcher” “mike tourt” stance] came up empty except for suggestion to search [“mickey hatcher” “mike trout” stance].
Googling [“mickey hatcher” “mike trout” stance] found these two:
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
This comment by Bourjous on Trout reiterates that walks are a fake stat and scares me that this shit we call a team offense is going to continue for a long time.
“He and Mickey [Hatcher, hitting coach] worked on his stance, and it’s paid off. He went down and hit a couple of balls that weren’t even strikes.”
Arte Went Biblical sounded nice until it was clear it didn't involve sitting the twenty-three million dollar man.
My position on hitting coaches is that they're largely irrelevant
Mostly just sounding boards to help hitters break out of slumps or whatever. But if Hatcher screws up Trout, I’ll be pissed.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Unlike Bourjos, who has probably already filled his mold
Trout really is young enough that Hatcher or any other hitting coach could screw him up. Still, I think the “swing first, ask questions later” approach is preached up and down the Angels’ farm system, so Hatcher is likely no better and no worse than whatever instruction Trout was getting in AA.
Hey Rev, each team has 15 games left.
Rangers seem like they are down to two pitchers and a hope. If Mathis would STFD we have a chance to make it to the final three games. All of us would have taken that at the start of the year.
What I find most disturbing, long-term, is that is appears Hatcher is screwing up our rookie hitters. I think it is as important that he goes as any other move we could make.
...on the road....
What evidence do you have that he's screwing up our rookie hitters?
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Pretty hard to win the AL West,
When you struggle against the likes of Seattle and Choakland. The only continuity we have is Mathis’ ineptitude behind the dish, and a lineup that couldn’t hit with RISP, if their lives depended on it.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
you weren't complaining about Mathis on Sunday
That’s cause you don’t know what you want.
But you DO want Mathis behind the plate when everything is on the line.
Coach Scioscia will prove the point.
And if you’re not happy that we’re still in it this late in the season then it’s obvious that you don’t know what you want, like Vlad, Matsui or Wells, or just become a Yankee fan. They’re distinguished for axing beer vendors that don’t frame beers in the strike zone.
Beware!!
by Creamsicle Power on Sep 13, 2011 9:16 AM PDT reply actions
If I'm gonna roll the dice
I’m going to use a pair that isn’t weighted to come up snake eyes so damn much.
Besides, unless the opponent is NYY, ol Jeffy Premium Mathis will come up empty (and quite possibly with RISP) nearly 1 out of 5 times.
"Talent does what it can; genius does what it must." ~ Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
Angels 2011 W-L record with the alternate red jersey: 17-11
try rolling loaded dice
2 out of 3 for Jeffy Premium Mathis, want to try going to 10?
Beware!!
by Creamsicle Power on Sep 13, 2011 10:37 PM PDT reply actions
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